Ryobi 9ah battery versus eBay knockoff job
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- Ryobi V Knock off - it's an interesting debate. For this test, it would seem the Knock off was actually better bang for buck - at least in the short term anyway
Ryobi Battery was $299 AUD & the knock off was $72 AUD from eBay - a 76% difference in price!
Knockoff personally wouldn't consider this as an option.- ebay.to/3hvcGMV
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I have the follow up video soon, and that useless piece of shit 'LITHIUM battery" is nothing better than a SCAM.. stay tuned.
Wow. Good to know. Very sad to hear.
Sticker says NiMH 1:15
Chalk and cheese hey? The Vanon 6ah I pulled down recently had big ass burn marks on the +ve end cell where the thin nickel strip buss bar had melted the cell insulation 🤬
Lemme guess... of each set of 3 cells, 1 actually is a battery, the other 2 are full of sand?
Looking forward to it
I would have preferred doing the fit and power tests before the teardown, we can't be sure reassembly didn't mess up the alignment of the connecting clips, causing the trouble when plugging into the charger and fan.
It's funny how he does not even mention that he could have messed up the alignment when he reassembled it.
Exactly
Totally agree.
Because reassembly quality would be this guy's quality and workmanship not the original one.
I bought some off brand 40 volt batteries they last longer than Ryobi batteries they charge the same speed and lock in no problem at half the price I will use them no problem
@@pauldigiorgio6373 yeah that’s the problem with the unbranded stuff. It’ll be hit and miss I think.
I’ve got several of these cheapies, tested em with my heat gun... they do alright, but not as rated 🤣 I use OEM on heavy draw tools, cheapies on the lights, fan etc. no dramas so far, and saved lots of dosh
Amen brother. Got a powtree 3ah one that ain't good for nothing but the light but the 2 9ah ones I got work great and the other 3 ah one does fine. The one that is "defective" can't take any draw higher than my light and maybe a brad nailer.
I bought a bunch of the 6amh batteries and all of them straight junk. I liked them at first even though they wasn't as good as my 4amp batteries. I liked them because of the price only lol. Anyway one died after a couple of weeks and they sent me a replacement which was DOA. Then all the rest started dying also and they refused to warranty any of them. Not one lasted more then a few months. Granted a couple would say they where charged on 4 different chargers but only show 2 bars. Then they would only work for maybe 2min in my impact driver. Total scam. I will never purchase anything other then name brand again. VANON is the brand I purchased and they pretty much said sorry about your bad luck.
I can imagine it'll pay off if the work you do has a history of frequently replacing worn out battery packs.
Not so much value if your brand one gives good performance over time without needing replacement.
I agree here. Just like cheap solar charge controllers, all these knock off cheap batteries have their place and capacity restrictions.
Dosh you must be English?
love that "do not disassemble thats problematic lets grab a screw driver"
That label is simply a challenge not a warning 🤓🤣
Why does this comment have so few likes?
@@CrotchetRocket youtube i guess
Well I am a diy person not a contractor and I have 2 knockoff batteries different than the one you showed but while they dont last quite as long as the OEM batteries. I do not have the fit problems you showed mine click in fine and use them on recip saw and drill all the time . For DIY its great value in my opinion. My knock off batteries are 2 years old and still going strong
Link?
Yes link please?
I have a cheap cordless hyper tough replicating saw, had it since 2019 and I leave it in the rain, it's Rusty is crap but it works, lol. So yes cheap Chinese crap can sometimes last I guess
To be fair you should have done the fit testing and endurance testing before taking it apart. I don't think It would have impacted the results much but doing it in the order you did does taint the results. I take that back. It sound like you are not doing real testing but have an agenda. e.g., You state it is your job to prove the brand name is better at 16:24.
Agreed
I have been using “knockoff” units here for years. 6Ah and they last well, but the build quality of mine is way better than the one you pulled apart.
Yes, that is my experience too with my knockoffs. They are well built, don't drop out of tools, the leafblower works a treat, and drill awesome. Impact drill I use a genuine one as it lasts a bit longer but I don't see much power difference with the genuine battery, to be honest. Money saving was quite substantial. The seller has not anything for sale anymore.
Same here
I've been satisfied with the third party batteries for my Ryobi tools. They are still working, which I can't say about the original two actual Ryobi batteries.
I am a Ryobi fan and have been so for well over a decade. I used to buy genuine batteries in the beginning at a high cost in Australia. Travelled to Canada and found deals for twin packs at half what I paid in Australia, currency adjusted! Have tried knock off batteries at 4 amp, 5 amp and 6 amp. Nothing wrong with knock off quality, power, hours of use etc. led light failed on two 4 amp batteries but they still work. Final comment is I would recommend knock offs. It saddened me to hear the bias in the original video and snide replies from author to those making comments.
@@markmcclure8868same here in NZ. We are getting ripped off down here with the battery prices. Guess this is what happens when Sausage Bunnies have the monopoly.
I've never heard such a biased comparison. Talk about prejudice! Funded by Ryobi? I am an electronic engineer who has designed battery chargers and many other electronic products. Your criticisms of the design of the knock-off are mostly just your bias. The knock-off looks like a more cost-effective design to me. How about you measure the thickness and width of the nickel strip and then calculate its resistance and the effect on the voltage drop, for example? The multiple spot weld are redundant - one will do almost as good a job as 4 because they have very short path length. 3 is no problem.
I have several Ryobi and knock-off batteries and I find them very similar in performance. The genuine one probably? has slightly better cells but I can't tell much difference. Maybe my knock-off is a better one - they are not all the same...
Perhaps your battery may be falling out because you didn't reassmble it carefully enough? I don't have this problem, it fits just like the Ryobi one.
LOL - my own pocket , aint Ryobies - and FUCK me I stand behind every word - after another few months what a piece of junk.. ended up falling out of the whipper snipper onto a garden edge and fell into pieces. Before that the run time was so poor the 2ah Ryobi battery would out last it every time in any device.. Then you go back and look at the other Ryobi knock video I did that WAS sponsored... Vanon - dear god what a rip job of a company AND I"M PAID TO SAY THAT FROM THEM! lol anyways, I got to one spot weld will do the job and didn't read further.
Well said Hugh
No attempt to make a proper comparison. Simply set out to prove the cheap battery is not so good. What else do you expect?
This whole comparison really does look like a ryobi-funded hit piece.
To add to the comment above, OP claims that the knockoff board is less heavily populated than the genuine board. Actually, from the video you can see that the genuine board simply has a ton of the silver place holder solder pads, with nothing on them! In terms of components that matter, they really do look similar
I'm curious as to whether you've had any failures of the knock-offs. I'm guessing that they won't go the distance years-wise as the real ones, but for me (and my first 40V 6aHr knock-off is literally on the UPS truck awaiting delivery as we speak), spending 205% more for possibly 1/3rd more capacity--or 171% more and 25% more capacity if I compare it to the cheaper 5 aHr battery (which at worst will still be well in excess of the 2.5 aHr 6 year old battery it's replacing) makes sense, including even if it only lasts half as much. And who knows? I might get lucky and even get a warranty replacement if it fails in under 5 years.
I've been using Ryobi 18V tools for over 12 years now and always been very happy with them. I JUST replaced 2 of my 4Ah batteries, which both had a date code of 2008. They took a charge just fine, but started to fade on high draw tools. They were ok on a screw gun or a drill for short use. But 12+ years on 2 Lithium batteries - fantastic! I waited for the Ryobi sale and got a great price on qty (2) 6Ah batteries, which go forever. I can't imagine the 9Ah. Great video - I will stay with the OEM Ryobi batteries. Maybe I'll get another 12 years!. I'm glad Ryobi has stayed with the exact same 18V battery connection for their tools all these years. My 12 year old power tools work just as well as the new stuff, and I continue to expand my collection with new Ryobi tools as I need them. I'm very satisfied.
I agree, i've had the same experience - wouldn't be with out the them in my toolbox
That's why I have Ryobi. All the other manufacturers change battery standards every few years.
I have some Ryobi tools older than my grown up kids. Still in use because getting batteries for them isn't a problem unlike other brands I've had
@@markthoel9437 What? Makita's 18v platform is almost 20 years old.
Bought knockoffs once…what was I thinking! Mine felt light straight out of the box, so I charged them and then ran my blower until they were flat. I then tested my Ryobi batteries. I found that the knockoffs were about half of their supposed rating.
Lesson learned, and thankfully I didn’t burn my house down.
You're lucky the knock off battery didn't take out the entire city.
I don't know if you noticed it or not but the genuine Ryobi battery BMS has a temperature probe as well!!
I'm going to go open both of them again and post on forum. I noticed a few things while editing.
Is that a second video ever going to come. I found this quite informative but it did perform a lot better than I was expecting and it would’ve been nice to see how that battery fitted prior to you stripping it not suggesting you’re not competent enough to put it back together properly but it would’ve been nice to see keep up the good work👍
it falling out was basically the reason for the video lol - battery has failed and was tested 20x at 3ah not 9ah - two of the cells have since failed.. Piece of junk unfortunately
Thanks for the video. I've been using Ryobi for a long time just that professional homeowner usage 😊. But when I saw the 299AUD/237US I thought I would comment. Here in the US that battery is regular price $159us. At that price a good value. But penny pincher that I have to be I wait for Ryobi days. The first 2 I bought were on sale for 2 for $199. Them last fall they went on sale for 2 for $179!! So I done in end bought 4. They are outstanding and really do make a very noticeable difference in run time both on brushed and brushless tools not to mention the real performance of the tool itself. Thanks Again. Lastly love Australia had an assignment there back in the 90s spent a month in Sydney and surrounding areas.
Your knockoff is about 1/4 the price and the capacity is about 6AH (not 9AH). That sounds like good value!
Look forward to seeing your results. If you get less than 1/3 the cycles for the knockoff then it is good value.
You should have a look at the catches to see why they were not grabbing!
I have a knockoff Makita 5AH but its capacity was 3.8AH. However it cost 1/3 the genuine battery. I think this is good value.
Its a good value until it burns your house down
It's NEVER good value to me, if I'm not getting what was advertised and paid for. Too many people like yourself accept marketing BS from lying thieving companies and that's why they get away with it. If it says 9AH then it should deliver 9AH. Would you accept a nice job salary and then be happy if your boss only paid you 70% at the end of the month? Everyone expects Chinese junk to be, well, junk. But that doesn't mean we should simply accept it.
@@chocolate_squiggle I'll take 70% pay in return for 30% of the job.
6ah at that price is good
it's a china knockoff. only a fool expects the same output for 30% of the price
It will only last a year or 2 if lucky then it will hold barely a charge. And while it's new it's discharge amps will be far less than a real HP battery. Meaning you won't get nearly the power out of high demand tools. Meaning on your sawsall it will cut out on low voltage half way through a 4x4.
@@skywalkr2 I don't keep batteries in the tools, nor the chargers.
Degradation is always a factor in any lithium battery you choose. It comes down to a cost/proficiency equation depending on your job needs. Professional contractors obviously need more from their tools, but for the average DIY'er, there is no shame in a knockoff.
A professional or even heavy diy user wouldn't even concider a knock off. Not worth the hassle and for the hours of use you get out of them the difference becomes marginal.
But for someone who uses their tools a couple of times a year, new original ones often just don't make much sense. Might as well buy a new tool at that point.
I sure wish you were available to me 20+ years ago when I had technology based Businesses! You & your equipment are quite impressive. Great work, great videos, & great commentary. 10+ my my book. Cheers!
Wow, thanks!
I've been using off brand 6 Amp hr batteries for over a year, happy so far with their performance and low cost
Hope you charge them out side.. :(
I have after market batteries , I found that charge normal changer will give better run time than fast charger
t would have been better to do all the testing first, before disassembling the batteries. That way it ensures that the disassembly/reassembly does not affect the battery performance. A connection may have gotten damaged when the were put back together. However your test do point out that you get what you pay for. In the real world someone who does not use power tools may get away by buying the cheap brand. A professional would not was their money on garbage. I did enjoy the review. The Ryobi is expensive down there at $ 299 AUD. They cost about $ 160 AUD in Canada ($ 148 CAD).
This is a great video. Thank you. Ryobi's battery line is extremely confusing. I wish someone would open them all up and tell us which cells are in which batteries so we can know how many amps a particular battery is capable of.
600cc gsxr said, _I wish someone would open them all up and tell us which cells are in which batteries so we can know how many amps a particular battery is capable of_
The issue with that is the conclusions almost certainly wouldn't be reliable for long. Manufacturers like Ryobi typically buy the cells that go into their battery packs from multiple vendors often based on price and/or availability. As a result, which cells go into a specific battery model in a specific product line will often change from month to month (and even day to day in JIT inventory management processes) as their supply vendors change.
Another problem is that even well-known and trusted manufacturers occasionally receive counterfeit cells and without a rigorous and ongoing validation test in their manufacturing protocols they won't know it until customers start making product complaints or warranty claims.
@exgenica That being said though, I'm pretty certain that the manufacturer and quality of the cells in name-brand packs are much more consistent than in the kickoffs.
I've not been very lucky with my ryobi batteries.. When heard from others,. 1 of 2 are very often getting bad within small use,.. Why are this? Ryobi are genuine made I china,.. So is that the answer to the puzzle?.
Thanks for the video. For curiosity, does the lamp and fan have the same current rating?
He did the same test both battery till they were flat.
Great video, very informative! Well done!!
Glad you liked it!
"will have a lot less cycles before it fails" < I think this is the key here!
I have to agree, I also must test this!
You could buy four eBay batteries for one Ryobi battery and still have change. Would have been great to test the battery before pulling it apart.
you go buy your 4 pieces of shit and let me know how that goes!
@@HBPowerwall Does not change the fact that you pulled the battery apart before testing it, which makes absolutely no sense, you test it first and once all tests are completed you would pull it apart for inspection. Second glaring oddity was using different chargers to charge the battery. It's like comparing oranges and apples after you squished them. Completely pointless video from then onwards as no comparison can be drawn from a product that you likely damaged before testing
To be fair i used it for two days (give or take) fell out of the whippersnipper twice and died 3x faster than Roybi - THAT is what prompted the video - the SHIT lithium battery has 3ah of capacity advertised 9, i did about 6 cycles at 5 amp draw only to have TWO of the 5 groups of batteries go zero volt - see my instagram post from months ago when I was prepping the next video. JUST SHIT, service, quality, marketing and ability to do what the box says it will do.. I still have the partial footage from that video, perhaps it would be worth my time to upload that.. :( I freeking hate this part of youtubing...
instagram post when I started testing instagram.com/p/CNrOhGAn8Sr/
@@HBPowerwall Would be great to upload the footage you have.
Might be the make of it because I have a few 6amp batteries and they click in just like OEM and get great run time. I've only had these a few months so I cannot comment on longevity.
If I get at least 2 years out of them, I consider that a win 😀
just woundering how much you were paid or (sponsored) by Ryobi as you can clearly see in this over biased review. you should disclose this to your viewers.
Agree
yeah think a definite bias, who gives a shit about the plastic bag they come in! $299 for a battery with $2 of plastic, $2 circuit board, and $50 of cells is crazy, the chinese version however is like $20 of cells and $1 circuit board, would not buy it either.
I need to quit watching these reviews by non-engineers who can’t give any real technical differences.
While this is a decent end-user review, it leaves me a bit disappointed. He almost saved it at the end, but not quite.
Real test would be peak sustained amps
Over-biased?
I thought it was adequate.
A product with welds that will likely give out and not last. Clearly doesn’t have the amperage advertised. Does not fit well into the products it’s powering. But is a decent price. VS a very good quality product that’s overpriced.
He basically says the eBay version is okfor stationary products with lower power draw.
While the genuine battery is better for tools etc. 🤷♂️
This is right up my alley. I am in the need to replace my royobi batteries. I can live with a little less than rated grunt for most things. I can't live with batteries falling out of tools though. I am keen to see how these hold up. Do you happen to know if the knock off batteries will fit into the royobi cases by any chance? if they do, this could overcome the fall out of tools issue.
Check out home depot for genuine ryobi batteries. They have 2 packs of the 18v 4ah packs on sale for $80. I picked up a couple to use in multiple tools and I've been very happy with them. I normally use knock-off packs in low amp draw tools, but these genuine packs are almost as cheap and handle high amp draw way better than the knock-offs. The knock-offs also degrade much faster than genuine packs.
I still refuse to pay what milwaukee charges for their 12v packs. The knock-offs cost less than 1/4 of the genuine price.
@@scarletboa If only batteries were that cheap in Australia :(
@@nickhenley8040
The same in UK. Genuine batteries are bloody expensive here.
@@nickhenley8040 you could possibly use the top section of the real battery if same screw pattern or find an eBay seller that has good reviews on feedback for there battery. Buy 1 or 2 to try and see how you go. I bought 2 5ah battery for 73dollars aud delivered way cheaper then ryobi genuine for sure.
My experience with these off brand batteries is that they do not last and the warranty is useless unless your failure occurs very early in ownership. What happens is that they sell a batch of batteries by "Brand" and then that "company" goes away. By the time the battery fails, there is no one to contact for warranty. The sellers come with another "Brand" and sell another batch, then go away. At least this is what I was seeing.
Even if they die after a month the seller just ignores you.
What happens when you buy off ebay and it says 10 years warranty?
Cant you dispute with eBay after a few years because its the Obedient matrix ways
This is how you go right buying the Ryobi battery!
I have some decent & some "not so decent" 18650 batteries.
They both seem to start out good on milliamp capacity.
The main difference I can find between them is...after about 6 months of use, ...the knock off batteries will not hold a charge anymore.
The brand named batteries will last 4, 5, 6 times or even more having a much longer life!
I have a older Ryobi One+ tool set with a (P102) 24Wh Battery from 2009 it's still running strong with 80+% capacity!
You do get your money's worth when you buy the real deal!👍
I have a 4.0 genuine Ryobi battery that went dead in ~ 6 months. I have 2 Knock offs that have lasted over 3 years now. Mostly used in weed trimmer and leaf blowers, but occasional drill/saw use as well.
@@Hylkamania it is possible you had a bad batch of batteries or a bad battery in the pack?
Maybe the newer knock-off batteries getting better?
It would be great for us if they started lasting longer!👍
Knock offs suck
I'm planning on trying to build myself a 6.0AH using 3D printed parts, an off the shelf BMS and LG HG2 cells in 2P. If that works, I may try building a cheap one with 3P M29's (which a local london retailer sells to pack builders for £1.66/cell plus tax and shipping). In 3P, the M29's should be able to manage 30A sustained, which *should* be ok.
Might have to charge it with my imax instead of my ryobi charger, but that should be easy to print an adapter for. Could even throw in a balance charge lead...?
Hey There,
You clearly have plenty of knowledge on the subject. Is there a off brand that you know is decent ? Or are you building something that you would sell ? I only use them for lights while working. ( Painter )
Thanks in advance for your time !
Thanks for the video. I have had different experience with the 3-4AH batteries. The Ryobi seems to be shoddy workmanship and the BMS seems to be allowing the battery level to get too low. I have to take the 18v batteries apart and charge them up when they are too low and then charge them up on the charger.
I’ve inherited several one + batteries that were “dead” from different people I’ve worked with. If voltage gets too low they won’t charge, open em up, jump em real quick and they’re good to go.
@@mm210tx yes the low voltage is easy to fix just a pain. I suspect the BMS drains the power and then shuts the FETS down disabling itself.
I also on the rare occasion have had a 18650 go bad. I replace it and charge it.
Hi Brent - what do you do once they are disassembled? I have similar problems. Cheers.
@@brentjohnson6654 What's "FETS"? Cheers.
The only time I would ever consider a counterfeit is if I was replacing a battery for an old obsolete tool where oem are no longer available. I had a bad experience and fool me once, I learn quickly!
That's not a counterfeit, it's not being sold as a ryobi.
I have this exact knockoff battery and it’s the same with fitment on the tools, falls out of the tool at times and on my leaf blower this so called 9ah knock off battery only lasts a little longer than my 5ah genuine ryobi battery. It would be lucky to be any more than 6ah in capacity.. only had my knockoff battery 2 months and it’s a matter of time to see how long it lasts.. great video 👍🍻
Thanks for the confirmation - so many seem stuck on the whole initial price difference.. Much more to this story
A fair test would be to spend the same amount of money on each of both types. In this case $299. Ie 4 knock offs vs one genuine. Only after doing identical tests can you determine which is the better value. Eg. Will 4 knock offs last longer than the one original ?
As far as the quality of build goes, do those (thinner? - Did you measure them?) knock off nickel strips get hotter or make the pack more likely to fail or be dangerous ? You've raised some very interesting points including some non quantifiable ones which can't be tested. Thank you for all your work here.
more than 1 also has an extra advantage, you can charge the others while using also 1. With only one you have to wait several hours to charge..
The bigger strips only matter when you use high power draw tools for extended time.
For your regular screwdriver or things like fans or light the normal ones are fine.
Depending on your usecase having a couple of both original and knock offs probably is best. Use the original ones where you need the amps and duration. The knockoffs are fine for most everything else.
For the money you save you can probably buy an extra tool that comes with another couple of original batteries as well.
interesting video, my own experience is that the big difference emerges when using products that need more power for a longer period, such as different saws, lawn mowers, etc Ryobi battery is a so-called "high energy" battery with dual terminals requires that the battery gives more power to products with brushless motors. maybe you can test that difference in your video next time?
Not really a valid comparison after you've taken them to bits and reassembled them - should have charged both on the same charger and done the tests before you pulled 'em to bits.
nar, reason I did the video cause it was falling out of my tools.. complete piece of junk 3 ah not even 9 as advertised.
I agree with you 100%. I have 8 real ryobi and 10 knockoffs, none fall out or have problems clipping in. Now power wise , yes the real ryobi hold charge longer but one smart person can’t justify 50% more money for 20% more run time.. good comparison video but next time don’t take them apart first..
This was very informative
Thank-You
We have 8 "Ryobi type" 18V batteries, half are authentic and half are knock offs. You can tell they are knock offs with just a cheaper feel and they do last a little less, but for essentially 75% off the full price option its worth it. We've had them for a few years and they don't run like they used to, but the fact they are still going is impressive for a cheap battery.
Must not be this shit battery brand then, cause this died 100% useless after less than 10 cycles
In our experience, the "on-sale" price of a genuine "standard size" Ryobi 4AH battery is too cheap to bother with any sub-par ripoff. $25-40 each is a common going rate here in the states when purchased in 2 and 4 packs around the holidays or other annual "sale" weeks.
yeh, never seen them on special around here :( but even then after another few weeks using this battery, it just sucks, fell out of the whipper snipper last night. Vibrates out of the circular saw.. only good for lights or fans.
Must be you
I use them in nail guns, circular saws,sawsalls,impacts,screwguns, multi tools and on and on. I've never had a aftermarket battery fall out of any tool.
Maybe you shouldnt take things apart then complain about them.
A couple years ago, I picked up two 9Ah batteries from Home Depot for $180 ($90 each). They are well worth that price. I have plenty of 4Ah batteries from the same kinds of holiday deals but my 9Ah batteries shine when I need to use my angle grinder, leaf blower, recip saw, etc.
@@nicstr28 the shape of plastic mould wouldn't allow the it to go all the way in pulling it apart wouldn't change the shape of it.
In eBay there Is many different sellers and probably different levels ofnquiaolty I just bought 2 for 73dollars aud and the reviews on the past months sales seem to say they work just fine and even the ryobi 18v battery someone tested was lower capicity by about 10percent and that was genuine. So I'm sure none of them are really what they say. If my 5ah fakes are better then my 2.5ah genuine battery in my blower I'll be happy, only get about 15min if lucky with one battery so if get 20 or 30min I'll be happy
@@nicstr28 u nailed him to the wall 😂😂 Spot on rebuke!
I've used lots of knock off Ryobi 4ah batteries and have never noticed much if any performance difference.
They're heavy at 4ah so don't think I'll be buying any 9ah. But don't see why there should be much difference
Agreed. I use several rayobi and dewalt knockoff batteries and have for about 4 years now. I will take a knockoff 4Ah over a OEM 1.5Ah any day considering price to performance.
Cheers mate I've just ordered the ryobi 9ah
Solid Choice...
Thanks Im convinced ill be buying original battery, what mah would be recommended to use for a dyson? ive ordered a ryobi adapter for it
BIGGEST possible, dyson batteries pull some AMPS!
As time goes on I've found the fake stuff getting worse. For batteries, I'll buy original in store with warranty from now on.
I found a deal on a 2 pack of 6ah for less than one on the Home Depot page. Just bought them!
Using battery in rattle gun it shakes the wire loose.
On the eBay batteries. Also very hard to remove from chargers
You know very well that we want you to pull that pack apart! 😂😜
Too right.
Thanks for a very interesting review.😃👌👏👏👏
No problem 👍
Haven't had any issues with my knock off falling out. Curious what the lifespan would be compared to the Ryobi
lasted two more weeks before it fell out of the wipper snipper and cracked the case..
@@HBPowerwall that's the problem with these clones, hard to review for every different clone and they can perform very differently
Making those 9ah Ryobi batteries available in the US last year for $40 each look better and better!
You lucky lucky bugger! In Aus they are $150 🤬
@@MrConspark It was a narrow window and yes, luck was on my side :)
Capacity test the cells from the cheapo
Just waiting on the iCharger X6 to come back, all my processing gear gets loaned out and even I have to wait lol I'll load test both in another video, do a 100 3 amp load tests see how it holds up also might look at all the specs of the tools work out the highest load tool and put that onto the batteries and see how it holds up. I chucked out the box ages ago but might see if there is a max load rating on the batteries and pull that from them with thermal camera see what happens.
Good afternoon Mr.HBPowerwall, I checked your page for the 100 charge/decharge results on the knockoff battery. Did you manage to get these done? I have a 18v Makita fan basically identical to what you used in the video that I use when I go camping once in a blue moon here in South Australia so these results are fantastic for me. I'm considering a cheap ebay Makita battery for the fan, not much amperage load on the battery from the fan at lowest-mid setting. I certainly wouldn't use a knock off in my power tools, but I think this might be good enough for cooling the camp tent over night and I am happy with roughly 30 odd percent loss A/H for a much, much cheaper price. I would really appreciate your opinion on my thoughts if you have the time. I also appreciate the video, good content thank you Sir.
Really ? I am using how you called this "Ebay knockoff job batteries" on all my Ryobi tolls no problem
with them even after couple of years.
Where orginal Ryobi 2Ah battery died after 7 months,and have to be replaced.
Would love to see a test the run times of these 2 batts in a high load tool. My bet is the % difference will increase in higher load scenario.
I have a few genuine 4Ah and one 6Ah knock off. If I run the knock off in my Ryobi air compressor, it stops working when it still has 2 bars left on the battery. The genuine 4Ah battery works flawlessly.
@@ruinunes8251 That compressor is probably one of the highest drawing tools too, I've watched it suck down a 4amp battery to one bar as it's running, but it always comes back up to about three bars when it turns off. I know Ryobi is really stretching the claim of how many tires you can fill with it, but for those times when you can't get a normal compressor or don't have a 12v lighter socket to fill a tire, it sure is nice :D
@@cujoedaman
It is not only with the air compressor that my knock off battery struggles with, it also struggles with an angle grinder. When the power is down to 2 bars left on the knock battery, the grinder won’t work. With regards the air compressor, yes, it is a nice bit of kit. I don’t have mains power in my garage, so I use the cordless compressor a lot. It is worth every penny.
@@ruinunes8251 I didn't think about the grinder, I don't have one yet :D
For the money you save and the job you do at home I'll take the Knock-Off one and SAVE ME MONEY !
Each battery has multiple spot wields. As long as they make connection and work who cares.
impressive review thank you.
Thanks for watching!
Instruction on knockoff battery- DO NOT DISASSEMBLE .....I love your response- "that's problematic" I knew I was going to watch the entire video after that. Good job mate.
Thanks bud
The Ryobi one is of the newer type with the extra connector on the back to deliver more current to the new brushless tools, the difference is VERY big compared to the older ones.
Not all of their brushless tools use that extra connector. I have a weed whacker and a leaf blower that are brushless. They have no extra connector that matches the battery.
@@larryjohns8823 Same thing with drills, the big 95nm drill has extra pins while the compact hp 54nm does not
I have had no problems with aftermarket ryobi batteries... But most come with no rubber padding on their exterior and are not as moisture proof so to speak as the genuine ryobi batts
Nar it’s too crap
Whatever...
Anytime
Contractor here. I have 4 knockoffs I have been using for 2 years. Bought from Amazon. Doing just fine.
You're lucky by the sounds of it hehe although not all knock offs are made equal I guess
I love this video and want to know more about the knock off. I would like to know the results of discharge test, the kind of battery cells that it actually has, and if this truly is a HP compatible battery as it's has two additional battery terminals in the rear of the battery. Most Knockoff's don't have those rear battery terminals. As of now, that 9ah knockoff is 1/3 of the price of the genuine Ryobi.
A knockoff 9Ah caught fire and ruined my angle grinder. I'm sure they're great for running low draw toys (fan, light, radio) for way more time than anyone needs but on the real tools that require a high Ah battery to perform their job, they're just a tragedy waiting to happen.
They just reached out and want me to make a review for them :p
I have been using 2 knock offs , for about 9 months, used on a nail gun, couldn't be happier
you must not have got the crap i recieved - video in production really testing the cells and their claimed 9ah --- tip - its a f!@#$%^&*ucking load of shit..
same for me, no problems at all, havent fallen out once in my nail gun or hammerdrill, i am happy with the knockoffs since the give you more power for the money
Ditto. The only battery that has ever failed me was one of my original 1.3ah genuine battery very long back in the day. Have had plenty of knock offs. None of them have died yet. No method to test capacity but they "feel" fine. I'm not vested enough to defend the knock offs either though, so take my comment as you will. I won't stop people from buying genuine batteries.
Looking through your reply to comments that vouch for knock offs - and you seem to reply to these comments in particular - you seem almost emotional. I'm sure you have your reasons, but hey, people are just telling you that the knock offs worked fair for them, so good for them, shouldn't you say?
I am a huge fan of ryobi knockoffs, I have done framing works great, used straight for more than a year, Will NOT buy expensive OEM
You're mad - the knockoffs i've tried are all complete junk!!!!!!!! Not one has been anywhere near the advertised capacity
I would love to see that test
Thank you for taking the time for the video! I have one comment about the fitment - I have a total of 5 after market batteries, 2 very similar to the 9Ah ones you have tested and ALL of them have Perfect fitment (so far). I honestly suspect that during re-assembly something was not aligned properly in the after market battery causing the poor fitment. I imagine it is possible that it is indeed made with poor fitment but that is not what I have experienced buying from 3 different vendors. Overall I am very impressed with the 9Ah AM you have tested as it is a LOT better than the ones I just bought at 4 for $109 which I suspect weigh about half as much as the one you have here.
They should never be 100% charged. They should be at a storage voltage, so the ryobi should have been a higher voltage
Left half the potential content on the table.
It would be useful to know what cells are used.
I'm thinking of rebuilding my ryobi pack with aftermarket cells, but I'd rather you tear your apart first.
Please don't use 'generic' cells use name brand when you rebuild and consider your load.. High Drain cells not low drain cells used in this ebay special.
go with samsung high drain cells. i've rebuilt a few, and they are the best for my money.
Several years ago I did this same test 2018 to be exact. Unfortunately I didn't video it. However I bought a Ryobi One+ Lythium P105 from HD. Then I went on Amazon and bought GERIT BATT 5.0Ah for Ryobi 18V. I put them both into two identical Ryobi drills. I pulled the trigger and rubberbanded them. Both batteries on a full charge went a little over an hour in the drills. The Ryobi brand went 1 Hour and 16 minutes. The GERIT went 1 Hour and 8. I didn't take mine apart, and I have never had either fall out of my drill. Today (2024) The GERIT battery is still working and I am trying to jumpstart the Ryobi.
Very informative
Glad you think so!
76% reduction in build quality.
You're math works lol
checks out ✅
Good luck on claiming on the dodgy eBay warranty in 3 yrs time
The first edit I said warranty had already expired hehe
I got one of these batteries and liked it.
You're either mad or crazy - just because you like something doesn't make it a good product, company or an ethical purchase.. 3 ah not 9 in further testing alone makes it totally SHIT as far as im concerned
Another great video.
Thanks again!
Very biased. Cost vs quality is always a trade off. Personally the cheap version has never failed me.
Good to know you have had good experiences with the cheapies, unfortunately I'm biased because they suck for me..
Hi kid its not to surprising that people go for the knock off 299 for a battery come on someone is taking the out of us all I get it with the knock off one it looked a bit shady for sure its a shame that companies just over charge for something that probably costs no more than about 40 to make in China anyway it would be nice if you could pull the batteries out of it to see what they are great vid kid keep it up enjoyed it.
Plan on doing a few videos on the battery if i have time. Gota do them in order so i don't kill it before i get the footage i need :P
@@HBPowerwall 👍
Don't really have an issue with aftermarket batteries in most of my tools but I can tell you using them in a impact is where you will notice the difference. Two aftermarket batteries being used in my half inch impact had separated the bands from individual cells in the batteries from vibration
I have a 2 amp black&Decker 20V knock off and it works great, better than the 1amp that came with my drill!
perhaps that something is the way you put it back together and blame build quality (your build quality)
Its possible.. BUT its just shit... read the comments others have the same issue with them
@@HBPowerwall you had determined it was shit before you even opened the box - if your not going to be impartial what is the fucking point? Did it ever occur to you to look at this from a different perspective ? Calculate the Watt Hours per Dollar spent ... If viewed from that real-world perspective as opposed to your biased, elitist one and the inexpensive pack is a much better value than the name brand.
Yes we already know that all these chinese knockoff clone batteries contain inferior and or untrustworthy lower quality cells. It does not move the needle forwards much to expent all your efforts being so thorough to prove that. Other than to help educate the more ordinairy consumers amongst us who are not aware of this. Especially for higher current draw situation. Which you didn'
t test yet in this first video.
But if you are really serious about this topic, then there are another 2 better options:
1) not for ryobi, but for makita 18v it is possible to buy a 'battery kit' from aliexpress. Which is all those clone parts except for the actual battery cells. Then you can source your own high quality genuine samsungs or whatever you like (and proper high current discharge version). And put them in yourself. For the fitment and quality or materials issue i would say at least the makit ones looks ok. Or you can modify your own shell. Some people with "decent' 3d printers can also print their own shells in a tougher plastic that will solve that issue. What I think is really the bigger question for these clone batteries then, assuming that you are competent and capable enough person to solve all these above issues. Thats all fine except the questionable BMS charging circuit pcb. Which is like... more hassles to stress test and depend upon i would expect. SO onto option number 2 then:
2) Maybe you can take an official but dead genuine battery pack. Or buy one cheaply on ebay. And just replace all of the cells youself. Then you get a genuine casing, clips. and a genuine PCB. You might have to throw out the battery contact metal, and replace that yourself. But that aspect should be fairly straightforward. The main question for renewing these official ones is if there is some little microchip on the official pcb which marks the whole battery as being a failed pack. And junks it / cannot restore or reset the condition. Because if there is such a firmware lock it could be pretty difficult to overcome, if the brand name used some closed or custom chip. That was proprietary, and a read-only type deal.
So these are the ways to get around paying the full $300 whack for official batteries. Without sacrificing even half as much of the quality performance etc. So if you can find the justifications to make it worth your while to cover THAT... but of course these solutions require a lot more time and efforts. Modifying etc. And how easy it is depends a lot on which brand name system you are on. I would expect that Makita and milwaukeee are probably easier to do than something like ryobi. And I could not find a battery 'kit' for ryobi when searching today. Although it does indeed have open source 3d models for printing. You would still need a pcb for it etc. I did not investigate ryobi enough as i dont use them myself, only makita.
Update: i was wrong, there are also similar kits for making your own 'clone' ryobi battery on aliexpress. Just had to keep scrolling a bit further. Here is one as an example: www.aliexpress.com/item/4000026493586.html
I would however suggest to not to trust the mosfets they put on any of these chinese BMS pcbs. Perhaps source your own higher quality mosfets from a trustworthy supplier digikey farnell etc. and replace them yourself.
Totally agree.
you can get good if not better cells but thats not the issue here.
It looks like an array of the ubiquitous '18650' lithium cell, used in many battery packs for not just power tools, but laptop computers as well. I would suggest that the 'knock-off' cost just as much to manufacture, but with lesser grade components, and the guarantees of the 'Ryobi' brand name ratings. The interesting observation is that of failure in a few years time, with similar use. The dominant characteristic is when the Ryobi item fails, and the price of the replacement cells, as a re-pack. In that circumstance, one is inclined to opt for the 'knock off' as a replacement...
"Look at that! Perfect fitment!" XP That made me laugh! 12:29
Sick to death of paying exorbitant price for Ryobi batteries. Been using 'knockoffs' for 2 years now and never had a failure. More than happy to continue with the cheaper batteries, thanks.
Comment section seems to be 50/50 i'll take genuine after seeing so many dangerous and out right lies on the side of the packaging..
@@HBPowerwall I used the knock-off version of the 6amp battery. Yes, it feels cheaper than the original one from Ryobi, but I never have any problem with it, and I have used it for 2 years. Not sure about your "lies" comment. When I purchased the knock-off battery, they told me straight out that this is indeed a knock-off battery, and there is no Ryobi warranty for it. The knock-off is $69 and the genuine one is $299, so the difference in quality is expected.
In regards to fitment of battery... You did take it apart, maybe your assembly was wrong? I'd of tried fitment before disassembly. Also I bought my 9ah official Ryobi batteries for $74 each on sale a year or so ago. Think I had to get 4 pack for that price.
I used the battery and it fell out and actually prompted the video, so it wasn't the way I put it back together. I actually got the battery from Bunnings and paid 299 for it, I've just checked again and it's 199 :( www.bunnings.com.au/ryobi-18v-one-9-0ah-lithium-hp-battery_p6210807, More weight to just buying genuine
@@HBPowerwall $199 AUD is around $153 USD right now. I ordered a 2 pack of 9ah batteries from Home Depot for $139 USD on June 2019 when they were on sale. Maybe Bunnings will refund on current price? Or you could order another one for $199 and return it as the $299 one (since you broke open seal on one your have)... if returns are possible on that?
It seems we dont see the Ryobi 9Ah batteries in Europe. I wonder which markets do get them.
For most tools the 9Ah is rather too big, but for some gardening tools it would be great.
Wish I could put things back together as fast as you do
Wow, why so many hateful comments on such a good video?
I sure would be curious if those HP pins on the clone actually do anything.
If you do anymore testing with the LED light it would be a good idea to crack the two halves open, it gets pretty warm after running for a while.
Would love to know what cells are in the High Performance vs High Capacity Ryobi and which cells are in which. The latter apparently use Samsung 18650-20Q cells. As I understand it HP and HC Ryobi batteries of the same Ah will have the same run time but the HP can provide a higher peak current. Also, I am wondering why the HP has an extra 2 terminals at the base of the shaft. Why are not the 3 terminals at the end of the shaft sufficient to deliver HP performance?
Afaik the extra contacts are only there for the battery and tool to communicate, I havent put a scope on one but I think the extra tab is just a signal that goes low when the tool tries to draw too much power to tell the tool to cut back
Excellent thank you very much.
Another point to think of is that ryobi batteries and tools are very sensitive to water ingression more so than other brands like makita and milwaukee. A battery that is looser will more than likely burn out at the first sign of rain while working with it.
Also using anything with a full inductive load could also burn out the wiring in the knockoff due to heat.
You are so Biased toward Ryobi that you can't even see it. Come back when you can speak 1 sentence without going on a tangent about how bad the knockoff is before you've ever even tried it out!
And then you have a look at the rest of my channel (namely the Ryobi playlist) and take a look at my actual experience. Then of cause there is all the stuff off-camera.. Genuine is the only option in my internet opinion
Yes he still hasn't grasped the fact that although not quite as good, he could buy three cheap ones for the price of one.
I don't think I have ever seen such a biased review in my life, and I'm 72 .
@@johnbatten6711 I have also bought both of these batteries and the cheap one is at least 3x more likely to burn your house down. The protection circuitry is garbage, terminals/wire/and nickel strips are all under sized, and the cells are from a no name brand. I would never buy the cheap one again although in my testing it performed reasonably well, I just can't get past the safety issues.
@@johnbatten6711 If the cheap knockoff is more likely to fall out of the tool, delivers lower power per weight, and is more likely to burn down the house, I would have a hard time rationalizing it.
@@mdocod I would guess you are a glass half empty kind of guy?
be interested to see how well the knock off lasts, I got 3 year old Ryobi battery that I last charge and used over a year ago (shoved in back of the drawer and forgot about) and it's still got charge and can't tell the difference between it and my few months old new battery. the follow up video out yet? I can;t find it.
It died 3 days into the next video, two 'cells' are now zero volt - usless piece of crap.
My Ryobi original P103 battery finally died - the replacements were sold as a 2 pack for $150 - I bought a clone 2 pack for $60 . Are they as good - probably not but they still work fine and cost 35% of the originals.
I would like to purchase one of these but I'm not sure that it can fit into 18V ONE+ 18L WET & DRY VACUUM. I would like a better run time as my 5ah is not enough. would this fit ok?
That is an interesting video. Where is your follow-up video on the multitude of deep charge and discharge for these batteries? Went to your CZcams page and could not find this test. Please Supply a link. Thank you and best wishes
Started the process straight away about 5-10 cycles in battery died and I got so pissed off I just gave up, at that time video wasn't doing anything on youtube and seamed useless to continue, little did I know it would be one of my higher ranking videos long term instagram.com/p/CNrOhGAn8Sr/ here is a photo of said tests
@@HBPowerwall thanks ....
ive actually tried one. they work but mine stopped working after a year tempted to take it apart.
OEM vs Knockoff... this should be interesting to see the end results.. its a question i have had many times.
Need to get that second video started with 100 cycles...!!!!
I bought 2 m12 6.0 generic batteries on Amazon for 19.95. They look and fit great. I took one apart and it has all brand new sanyo cells.
I doubt that... but glad you seem to have go a bargin
@@HBPowerwall you doubt it? Not sure what there is to doubt but you do you.
@@GertTown well seen ALOT of fake cells like shit cells with good brand sleeves on them. after processing over 25,000 used 18650 cells i've seen my share of crap cells with lipstick, but if they work for you that's all you need right?
@@HBPowerwall all the fake ones I've seen were much lighter than they were supposed to be and all of them still had the old wrap under the new one. The terminals are also often a giveaway bc you can see old weld marks or differences in the terminals of each battery. I ran my old m12 multi tool on one today and it did great. That tool burns up batteries pretty fast usually.
Prob silly questiom but what would happen if i connected in a pinch one of these batteries to my 125cc scooter starter motor....would it turn it even momentarily? Thanks dude...Glad to see the mini rebuild comming along nicely!😊👍
You can jump start a car with a dewalt 18v battery, but you need to be kinda quick ;)
I think AvE jump started a couple of things with tool batteries recently 🤔
@@mor4y Thanks😊👍💥
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anyone see at 4:01 that the one bent red wire is missing insulation at the bend.
The big 6 amp and 9 amp batteries are for the big power draw tools. I feel the difference in my circ saw, 1/2” impact wrench etc. testing it on an led light isn’t very helpful. Although I do appreciate the time and effort it takes to buy these things and make the videos, so thanks!
Because of you tube I have just watched 2 video from 2 years back about VANON setting you up , now I've searched your channel and there was never an update , was there any news ? Did they make battery specially for your video? We're you silenced?
the FWITS ripped me off and everyone out there - there is forum links to many buying them opening them and getting shit cells inside.. I GOT premium cells they got junk :(
Is your leaf blower a HP Type tool? You can tell by the extra tabs inside the battery connector. Non HP have 2 tabs but the HP tools have 4 tabs. If it is a HP battery i wonder if the extra tabs are just for show and dont actually provide any extra current. All the tools I own are brushless but only my 184cm circular saw has the extra tabs inside.
You have a 6 foot in diameter circular saw? That's amazing!
I've bought 6 of the 4ah knockoffs and 1 of the 6ah . Almost 5 yrs ago. In that time 1 of the 4ah have stopped working . On the other hand recently purchased 4 of the 4ah Ryobi that were on sale around Mar this year. 2 of them have stopped working and I'll be exchanging them . For the money I'll be buying knockoff. They work great with my chargers.
I had a Ryobi a few years ago, so was interested to see how you did. Now 12 minutes in, and I can see that you like the Ryobi. My thought was that you would slag it off, as I would have. IT WAS RUBBISH. It was the old LITHIUM battery, so no surprise there, but it was less than a year old when I bought another make. I could tell the difference straight away. If you like yours so much, why not get over to England, and you can have the Ryobi. Yes, I STILL have it. AS far as I know it still look's like new, in the bag with the charger.