Don't Overload Your Expectations | Chevreuse Pre-Release Discussion
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0:00 Intro
0:16 General thoughts
3:07 Possible place in the meta
5:05 Team options with current units
8:18 Possible future teams
12:25 Does she have synergy with Yoimiya?
13:20 Will her kit be more useful in the future?
14:09 Constellation 4
14:44 Best case scenario for Chevreuse
16:33 Weapons
17:33 Closing thoughts
18:18 Outro - Hry
Just wanna add a few things here, my overall opinion on her is fairly negative but a pretty significant portion of that is because of my dislike of her design, as I really do think it's a pretty bad sign for the direction genshin is taking. That being said, it definitely lead me to being biased against her, which is why I decided to just do a discussion rather than an analysis. Keep this bias in mind when I talk about the negatives, and know that she should be a fairly decent alternative for some characters like Yoimiya/Raiden in some situations, especially for those who don't have kazuha.
Edit: Also I'm probably gonna have to look into TF Bennett shenanigans, if nothing else I'm excited to see how that team goes!
Her character design, or her kit design? Or both?
@@ahmcha357Kit design
@@ahmcha357 he doesn't like that you must have full electro/pyro team , she could just increase overload and you could put her in overburgeon , but then she loses part of her kit
@@ahmcha357probably both, he hated nilou’s restriction and also he hates cops sooooo
@@mastazenkei Gotcha, yeah it does feel needlessly restrictive. Feels like they were trying to recapture the Nilou magic, but can't give actually unique reaction alterations or buffs to 4*. Cool idea, but poor execution.
Also she's a cop. ACAB
chevreuse, chevreduce, chevrecycle
chevrolet
💀💀💀
Funny joke AND good for the environment?!
Very nicely done :>
better cyno joke than his synergy with chev 😔
If Chevy changed the Overload reaction to stun enemies rather than blowing them away, she'd be leagues better than how she's now.
That would be interesting!
like zhongli's Petrify BatChest
YES@@neo.3
we already have freeze and kinda electro charged, this would not be great to just add the same thing with different name
@@-miromax-5349couldn’t you say the same about zhongli’s petrify then?
On the topic of Arlecchino and Clorinde, I'd rather they not be restricted to the point where their best/most desired teammate is Chevreuse since I'm personally done with 5 stars wanting a niche 4 star where a significant portion of their strength is locked in C6. My heart goes out to people who still want and don't have C6 Gorou or Faruzan. I'm not saying they can't have synergy with her, but I'd prefer more team flexibility with them.
As always, big thanks to Zajef and the editing team for these videos, and good luck to the Chevreuse wanters out there.
I’ve been pulling for faruzan since her first banner as a wanderer main (ex heizou main too), and I only have her at c2 😭😭😭😭 the c2 was the free copy they gave us too it’s crazy.... I’m so mad like why is it so hard to get 4 star copies and whyyy do they keep restricting characters like thisss. The sad part is I’m not even f2p
I agree, like having Chev be in their best teams is fine but if either are narrowly designed to also fit Overload that'd be kinda booty and not exciting
Since she's not being released with either, I doubt that will be the case.
@@FranciscoJGMika a physical support wasn't even put on a eula rerun banner what's there to say is that they don't have a pattern at all.
@@thebrigade7684 tbf mika doesnt work that well with eula either
I'm actually fairly surprised you didn't emphasized what makes her actually decent: she consolidates so many things in one character. Sure she can res shred, has a 100% uptime 40% ATK buff, a 60% DMG buff (ramping up for the active character though), and a small but decent heal but that's definitely not enough to catch up with Bennett.
You didn't mention her C1 at all which is basically one to two free Favonius proc for the on fielding character, with a manageable condition. Given how you love Fav weapons, I'm surprised you overlooked these 12 free energy. Plus her skill and burst being multihit, she does pretty well at lower investment (low refine Fav or meh crit rate).
She's a pyro unit with res shred so she can enable pyro and/or electro resonance (thanks to the slot freed by not having an anemo unit), that's a nice plus which can be a fairly good one for electro energy hungry characters like Cyno or Razor. Plus she doesn't need on-field time every 8s to maintain VV and she's not circle impact so she might actually feel good to play.
Besides, her utility passive is one of the few that are actually relevant in combat, so even if Kazuha has the same, it's decent I guess.
I still don't like overload, maybe her burst will be fine to group enemies or avoid them being knocked around right away, but I highly doubt it will be enough. However being able to replace both Bennett and Kazuha without being OP is remarkable to me. Like you said when you compared Yelan to Xingqiu, a unit doesn't need to be stronger than one of the best unit in the game to be good.
PS: I want to try her with Razor and Bennett C6, that might be fun
PPS: I agree with you she's not that good without her C6 but that's the case for most new 4* released now anyway
PPPS: thank for your content, it's usually pretty informative
I didn't even think about the Razor + Benny combo, yeah that could be interesting
Razor, Chevvy, Benny and then probably a second electro like Fishcl or Beidou although you could do a third pyro as well
That's what I was thinking. If you just look at stuff and consider her pros, she CAN replace Bennet, and even Kazuha at the same time. Kazuha can give similar buffs to your dmg iirc and with VV do the same amount of red shred Chev provides by just any character triggering the overload reaction on an enemy which is super managable. Bennet gives a lot of atk and big amounts of hp quickly, but you can manage not taking that much dmg with a shield or properly dodging so her healing is just where it needs to be, and I personally think her res shred + her 60% boost in dmg for the active character more than makes up for Bennet's boost in atk.
She's made in a way where she doesn't necessarily surpass either of them, but for specific element combo like overload she can easily takeover their roles to free up more slots to get the most out of her.
Now if Clorinde enables overload in a way to either remove overload knockback(unlikely) or make it where triggering overload reactions boosts her dmg a lot on top of already good dmg from herself, then it makes Chev even more valuable with her than Bennet or and Kazuha on her team.
Lastly, this helps solve what artifact set to give her a bit, since if you don't use Bennet on the team as well(which would mean less overloads to trigger the 6s res shred), you can use Noblese Oblige on her instead of the new artifact set that just came out which is honestly pretty worthless.
yeah i agree.. i think she will be a great unit... also overload reactions are under rated.... yes it knocks back smaller mobs... but in F12 these days uaually u get big mobs and overload is actually great on them.. it doesn't push them back much but can disrupt their attacks... and it's just free extra overload dmg... on lower floors u can just clear them with any non overload teams watever..
there are a couple more things worth mentioning... with chevreuse she can easily res shred both pyro and electro as these can happen off field but with kaz VV shred u need him to be on field and is not as easy to shred both reactions... plus mobs like slimes and the hydro tulpa with innate elements kaz cannot shred other elements other than their element (which the mob is immune to anyway) while chevreuse can still shred pyro and electro on these mobs...
also chevreuse other passive reduces stamina usage when sprinting so that's also something extra nice to have...
Imo for a raiden hypercarry team, she can actually replace kazuha. for raiden that have so many DMG bonus, atk% buff from chevreuse is more useful than Electro DMG bonus from kazuha. And with her c6 she can actually catch up with kazuha
I remember when I accidentally took a bite of Furina's cake and then once I got back home to sleep, Chevreuse broke down my door, yelling "police search warrant." She then proceeded to Chevreuse all over me.
Wait what- did she pee on you
@@DefinitelyNotAFerretok me next
@@DefinitelyNotAFerret🤨
@@dioxide39🤨📸
i assume you were chevraused by the altercatiob
As someone who plays Overload Yoimiya, while yes the knockback is a big issue on small enemies, its obviously good on bosses but also larger enemies like Mitachurls, most Meka, most Fatui, etc as they get stunlocked but not blasted in the air. From my experience Abyss usually has one half where an Anemo grouper is really nice and the other half where its not really necessary: basically, if one half of the Abyss has a lot of small goobers where Overload would be bad, just don't use an Overload comp on that half and use it on the other. I'm planning on using Yoimiya, Bennett, Fischl, and Chev in a comp and while I believe Kazuha would probably be a better option overall, having a comp better against single target is nice for those bigger enemy halfs plus it frees Kazuha for the other half where having a grouper is really really nice
Yoi without a shielder? Couldn't imagine playing her like that myself but I suppose resetting her combo by dodging doesn't matter as much in an overload team?
@@groen90 yea, that and the overload stun helps prevent some enemy attacks altogether
@@groen90pure pyro driver yoi is very strong.
Chev as the lone buffer healer and 3 dps will be a very good team as you can double shred electro and pyro.
A c4 lisa, beidou or another pyro subdps will be a good team.
@@groen90 > but I suppose resetting her combo by dodging doesn't matter as much in an overload team?
Exactly, while you'll lose some DPS by not doing her last hit, you'll overall gain more dmg from Bennet and since it's not about vaping you don't lose as much, you don't ruin the vape cycle etc.
Overload is very weird in that it's an AoE reaction that doesn't perform well in most AoE situations. Small goobers and bosses both feel bad. Need medium goobers specifically
I literally only want her for my scuffed raiden yanfei team, I find fun blowing things up with overload
same thing, she's the overload yanfei buff we've been waiting for
As an early game Overload Yanfei enjoyer, I see this as an absolute win (and a chance to chev-reuse my maxed Yanfei in something)
I think her projectiles make up for the fact that overload sends things flying away from you, so that you don't have to chase them
dude i use to play that team before I knew what meta was lol
I had a fever dream using Chevreuse with Yoimiya and Raiden where they swap between each other as the dps. Raiden skill+Yoimiya’s and Yoimiya’s burst+Raiden’s, but I there isn’t a strong electro shielder to protect Yoimiya.
It's kinda ironic how the one character who wields a gun wants to over-load
Maybe she thinks stacking bullets in the gun does more damage lol
Mr. Torgue would be proud of her penchant for guns, explosions, and potentially exploding guns. 😂
I dont mind this format. Personally I like the usual format more and I'd love rhat even for rhe 4* characters. No matter how bad they are, I still get instered in them and knowing how they work and I enjoy the TC on them regardless. But I also understand why it's not your thing. So having a mini discussion over no video at all is better than nothing.
these are my exact thoughts haha
i tend to gravitate towards 4 stars for some reason, especially the ones on the weaker side so videos like this are really helpful
Something to remind everyone about Chev is that by providing basically the same offensive value as Kazuha even if you have Kazuha, she frees him up and that is huge no matter what, so long as you don't mind the overload condition.
Ain't that C6 Chevrause tho?
a C6 4 stars is probably around the same as a C2 5 stars she's still good but idk
I’m pretty sure that only applies if she’s c6. Also sucrose is already a great sub for Kazuha.
@@Force-Multiplier Yeah it is only at C6 that she matches him, but with the 60% res shred and 40% atk buff assuming you can get her to 40k HP being base kit, she doesn't wholly rely on that C6 for a gigantic power spike like other 4 star supports tend to, so even before that point she can be a serviceable standin for Kazuha to let him go somewhere else.
@@K-Sha1 fair
Doesn't really make that much sense, since Kazuha is meant to be a 2nd sucrose. So... Just slot in Sucrose?
i dont think this one aged particularly well
I feel like her biggest (balls) usage is another unit to alleviate the "1 Bennett syndrome", where you want some of the OP units in the other side of the abyss for whatever reason, then he can be a decent sidegrade in some scenarios.
...and a godsend for people trying to clear with 4* units.
...and she's also a Xiangling buff.
I can't take it anymore. I'm sick of xiangling. I try to play diluc. My xiangling deals more damage. I try to play yoimiya. My xiangling deals more damage. I try to play Hu tao. My xiangling deals more damage. I want to play Klee. Her best team has xiangling. I want to play raiden, childe. They both want xiangling.
She grabs me by the throat. I fish for her. I cook for her. I give her the catch. She isn't satisfied. I pull engulfing lightning. "I don't need this much er" She tells me. "Give me more field time." She grabs bennett and forces him to throw himself off enemies. "You just need to funnel me more. I can deal more damage with homa."
I can't pull for homa, I don't have enough primogems. She grabs my credit card. It declines. "Guess this is the end." She grabs gouba. She says "Gouba, get them." There is no hint of sadness in his eyes. Nothing but pure, no icd pyro application. What a cruel world.
He kinda biased towards yae, so he didn't mentioned it,her turrets doesn't snapshot,so she can't really use benny buff fully, and yae have weak electro application off field, so chevreuse kinda nice for her, and i used hutao+yae overload team against bosses and it was pretty good,so she kinda nice addition to acc when u like to try some new things,not like genshin need meta teams to clear hardest content in the game,sadly hoyo put her on sec phase and i wanna get navia and cloud retainer, so can't even get her
I initially thought that she’s be great for 4* clears but after calcs it’s really not the case. The problem is the only really fast pyro app is still Xiangling, and with Xiangling you always want Bennett. She’s basically always tied with Xiangling or Bennett, so you’re stuck running taser (which removes your electro options) or freeze with no national option. A Yanfei team is really the only viable 4* option since she’s not great in vape anyways.
she's a XL buff so long as you have literally no other alternative. and she locks you out of hydro units that the most are synergistic with XL so no it's not a buff. stop coping
Sucrose is probably still better for what she does
im gonna overload
Stop him from busin a nut
I'm boutta swirl
Don't make me aggravate
my ass so hyper im boutta bloom
I'm about to freeze over here
I think this could be one of the Zajef mistakes. I have had long discussions on Reddit about her, and calculations made, and she is quite strong, her double RES shred and specially her 40%(60 with Noblesse) party wide attack buff that don't expires, are very understimated for multiple DPS scenarios, and in a full HP build her heals are Kuki-like without needing HB circlet.
I enjoy overload Yoi too much so LETS GOOO
I think another type of carry that would appreciate Chevy would be one with long field time and ramping up/backloaded damage. Kind of like electro/pyro Eula - you spend a decent amount of time to build up a nuke, so potential buffs like VV and Bennett expire by the time your big damage hits.
Hmmm... interesting takes here. I was hoping for more as conceptually I like how they're expanding on the concept that Nilou introduced, and I'm one of the few people that do play Overload teams currently (Raiden, Bennett, Xiangling, Kazuha) mainly. Oh well, she may be a little bit better upon release than we think, but time will tell.,
They're expanding on the wrong part of what nilou introduced.
The interesting part of nilou was entirely transforming a reaction into something different, albeit pretty similar. Not the "lmao fuck you no team building options"
That's the part where they're taking the wrong path and Zajeff probably doesn't like it.
for example, Navia makes use of the crystallization reaction but at the end of the day, it does not solve the problems of crystallization, the basis is good, which is to make people interested in the GEO reaction, but the path is what is wrong, crystallization It remains the same with navia or without navia.
Chevreouse is similar, Overload will continue to have its problems because the reaction does not change in the way it works, which is what made Nilou so expendable for Bloom.
Personally my issue with the way Chevreuse is designed is it's a very brute-force way of forcing Overload. From my point of view, the "puzzle" of Overload is to be able to actually do significant damage with Overload itself, which in and of itself has no way of having a consistent trigger, so the whole point of Overload to me is to build your team comp in a way that overload does have a consistent trigger. Aka Overvape (where the pyro unit is always the overload trigger and double dips off of EM), Soup (where the anemo unit is always the overload trigger and builds full EM anyways), and Overburn (the electro unit is always the trigger).
Chevreuse kinda just throws all of what makes Overload a special reaction in the first place out of the window and just goes "hurr durr run pyro and electro = big buffs".
I think she can be nice with Lyney? Like Lyney, Chevruse, Bennett and Fischl ? Idk she looks okayge to me but we have so many good characters and so little content that it's very hard to fit these so specific units somewhere
Yea I was thinking the same thing lol. I’m pretty sure overload still leaves a pyro aura on the enemy so Lyney should still get his dmg bonus.
I think this is a good side grade team for Lyney since he's charged attack has homing so the overload shock wouldn't be much an issue. Though with this team Lyney could have the same issue with Yoimiya where you need a shielder/anti-CC (Dehya as a sub for Bennett ig?).
depends, in aoe, I dont think its worth it. In single target, probably good, but only if u have dehya or something since lyney really needs protection. And you will have to choose between either bennett and his buff or.....dehya and her defensive utility which is neeeeeded for lyney.
And at that point, chev is not replacing the anemo unit, but changing the entire team and replacing benett, and anemo, or possible the shielder. Lyney, chev, fischl, dehya is good but no bennett, and lyney, chev, fischl and bennett is good but....veryyyyyyy cancerous. And chev is barely enough to replace anemo, much less replace bennett too. So....not worth it, unless at c6, then its less bad. Esp if you give chev noblese, and put tenacity on dehya so you compensate bennetts lost attack buff with lots of external attack buff
@@jyusatsu I think with Chevreuse you're not so obliged to have shield on Yoimiya as is the case with vape teams because you lose less if you don't hit your biggest shots. Like, it's still preferable, but not so necessary
Would be so much better if we had a strong Electro shielder support
honestly I really enjoyed this format, it’s more digestible and easier to watch at any moment without having to commit to a super long video while still giving u a lot of info🤔 I’d love to see more videos like this in the future (I also love the regular videos tho)
She's just a Clorinde support, trust
Yea and Arlecchino is plunging attack dps
she could support jesus christ himself and she'd still be bad because overload is bad
@@Detrix1189 LAMENT
Yoimiya overload against bosses is going to be cracked with this unit
Its either she's gonna age like fine wine or age like fine milk
I was thinking about Yanfei-Chev-Fischl-Beidou team, cuz in this team we are getting some small shields from Yanfei and Beidou + res for Beidou, so this is some defence + her not greatest healing and Yanfei is ranged unit with a lot of pyro application so more overload reactions and she is not suffering too much from knocking enemies, but duno how good this would be in terms of overall dmg
This was what I was thinking too
i like this video format, im always interested what you think for more niche or gimmicky characters even if you dont do a full analysis breakdown
I don't see how doing something less than a full pre-release analysis does anything other than give more to the idea that you just want to be unfairly negative in your perception of a character you dislike.
Arlecchino and Clorinde will be her turning point if either of those two end up having a buff to overload in their kits (but hopefully not restrictive). It's Nilou to Nahida all over again
yeah but nilou came first, either way, if neither of them are like this nicheeeee kit, she is fucked. But then again, this community always overdoses on copium for every bad character.
clearly she is designed for future characters, just like Nilou appeard before Nahida, but what about some cursed teams like Crimson Witch Yoimiya bursting into Raiden burst or Keqing/Razor with c6 bennet?
Clorinde or Arleccino, probably, though I am betting it's clorinde
what about c4 beidou driver with c6 bennet?
Not really
Also Nilou was quite good even before nahida.
Please let it be Clorinde and not Arlecchino@@yahia5476
a better example would be Kuki. She was hated during her release and now she's still great for hyperbloom teams.
I really liked this format!! Thanks ^^
congrats for 100k!!
Congrats on 100k! 🎉
I really like those parts where you make theory of what a character would need to be like to have great synergy with the one you talk about, I find them super interesting.
One thing that I think is overlooked a bit, hyper raiden with raiden/sara/benny/kazuha would free up kazuha for a different team, + it would unlock double pyro as well so it’s basically +65% atk at c0 with 40% shred and a bit more healing. From my own calcs, it’s slightly worse than a kazu buff by about 3-5%, but having kazu for a different team is a gamechanger
Defo will depend on whether swapping out a grouper for the anti-grouping explosions doesn't grief you 😂
As someone biased in the opposite direction of Zajef regarding Chevreuse, I have a few of my own thoughts I'd like to add. Firstly, though, I want to mention that I generally have tried to take the perspective of "how best can I utilize this character?" or "what does this character uniquely do that I can take advantage of?" rather than the meta-analysis perspective Zajef takes in comparing units to existing teams and how a new unit may function in them. The way that I see Zajef analyzing characters is more from a perspective of "how good is this unit" which is certainly not a bad perspective to operate from. I just think Genshin has been a more fun game to me when I focus on the subtle nuances between different characters, rather than how much worse a team is because I am not using one character with many strengths over a character that has less strengths.
So, first thing that is important: Zajef said Chevreuse doesn't do anything for overload itself. This is not the case, because Overload is Pyro damage, despite showing visually as a different color of damage in game than Pyro. This means Chevreuse reducing Pyro resistance by 40% does increase overload dmg. For some in game numbers as proof (you can test this yourself with a VV unit), I tested a 953 EM level 90 Raiden triggering overload (on FLoP, so no overload bonus), and she got 18284 overload dmg without swirling pyro, and when I then swirled Pyro I got 21851. This is a 19.5% increase in Overload damage. How relevant that will be is going to depend on how many overloads a team gets and how much EM the unit triggering overload has, of course. The problem is that it probably is not enough to necessarily build extra EM on units just for Overload damage since it usually would be better to spec more into talent dmg still, but I think it is a relevant consideration especially for units that already tend to be build with some EM. I don't think this alone makes Zajef's take on Chevreuse completely wrong or anything though, but I needed to mention it since she does benefit overload in some way.
Now for more personal thoughts on why I like Chevreuse. One is that I think there is heavy value to a unit that could potentially replace Kazuha/Bennett/etc., even if they are a worse option for the team. For example, you may get more value putting Bennett in another team on the other abyss side in which you would gain more value from Bennett there (as far as improving team dmg goes) than you would lose by swapping Bennett for Chevreuse in another team.
I do think it is unfortunate how underwhelming her healing is pre C4, but I think it is enough to keep your on field unit alive still (C4 may give multiple healing instances based on my understanding of her skill's wording for the healing trigger, but it also may not, I never saw clarification of this during 4.3 beta).
I also think it is worth mentioning that Overload deals damage in a 5m AoE (the same AoE as burgeon, but it is limited to 1 dmg instance every 0.5s vs 2 every 0.5s, unlike Burgeon). The knockback issue is something that could make it hard to take advantage of the AoE, but honestly, having had to deal with a lot of abysses without meaningful groupers available to me (see bottom paragraph), I find that not having grouping is addressed largely with smarter play, particularly knowing enemy mechanics in conjunction with smart positioning. And in turn with that, I do think there is potential to be smart with utilizing overload AS your grouping, especially if Chev's skill triggering overload knocks back enemies in a consistent manner, but I do think most players would find trying to use Overload knockback clunky to push enemies to specific locations due to lack of good telegraphs on where dmg occurs to know what spacial location the game is using to knockback the enemy from (also, Chevreuse's burst has some minor grouping itself, interestingly, you can see it in the 4.3 livestream footage of her kit). I have had to deal with characters causing knockback (Candace's skill has signifcant knockback, and I need to use her in Abyss a LOT) in the same vein as overload causing knockback to ungroup enemies, but once I tried to actually think about my positioning better to utilize the knockback rather than just getting annoyed by it I started to find it USEFUL for Candace to knockback enemies.
A specific team context in which I think Chevreuse is relevant for is Cyno (Yoimiya is interesting too, but I have much more experience using Cyno). Zajef mentions that he did not think Chevreuse will be relevant with Cyno, but I think she will be. My main plan is to try Cyno/Thoma/Chev/XL (Thoma may be swapped for a different unit, but he provides interruption resistance and can be built on emblem). The biggest reason I think she is relevant with Cyno is because her 40% res reduction doesnt require doing anything other than overloads happening with Chevreuse in the party, so you can keep up 40% res reduction for the long duration of Cyno's burst. VV shred would be lost fairly fast in comparison (and requires awkward setups or second electro units like Zajef mentions). Cyno also already has incentives to build EM, which would also increase his overload damage of course. I do not think the knockback will cause issues for me both because of reasons I mentioned previously and because I find that Cyno moves so much while playing him anyways that I do not expect it to be an issue, particular if I can utilize it to group enemies towards the abyss walls, for example. I think aggravate/quickbloom Cyno has problems mostly related to lack of options I have enjoyed for dendro units with him (Baizhu is the best, but has low application for use with quickbloom especially), particular in how bad 4 star dendros are with him, and that Nahida feels bad too with multiple waves. XL/Cyno/Chev in comparison would not have multi-wave issues, as the application follows Cyno.
Lastly, I want to mention that I do not think Chevreuse is perfect by any means, I really wish she modified the overload reaction itself (like Nilou). But at a baseline, if you go back to my baseline perspective I mentioned above, I think Chevreuse does a number of unique things that makes her super interesting and potentially very fun to use. For me all it comes down to is that this four star is making me think full electro/pyro team comps are more of a thing than they were before, and that is awesome to me. And at this time I feel like Chevreuse's C0 kit isn't fundamentally broken or overly hard to use in some function without C6, and sadly I do think a unit being functional at c0 is a rarity with recent 4 star characters (imo).
Bias clarification to explain why I am biased in the opposite direction, I am a silly person who has a Polearm Only account (which I do 36 star on with consistency), which naturally makes me more inclined to be interested in using Chevreuse, and makes her far more relevant for that account since I do not have Bennett/Kazuha/etc. This account is why I have had to get used to dealing without meaningful grouping or being smart with Candace as I mentioned above. Not having a lot of those strong units available significantly changes the conversation of how useful Chevreuse can be (this is why I made a video talking about how I could use Chevreuse on my Polearm Only account about week ago). Point being, I do still think Chevreuse will have relevance on normal accounts, but I acknowledge I may be biased in the positive direction regarding her kit compared to Zajef due to my goofy Polearms Only account, and I look forward to testing how her C0 performs on my normal account to see if she lives up to my hopes.
I'd preferred an analysis in detail just like other formats but that can be said for any character not only 5stars or specific 4stars. even tho I know 4stars are mosthly designed simply around other character or mechanic I still think its better if you give a detail info video about them all. (I am part of the playerbase that supports the idea of more specialists characters instead of generalist characters)
when playing Yoimiya with Fischl, you can position Oz to be on the opposite side of the enemy so that Oz's overloads will bounce the enemies towards Yoimiya
Her strongest points:
- Team wide ATK buff with great uptime, no snapshot required, favors multiple DPS/Sub DPS characters in the party.
- Easy access to the buffs/res shred, no circle impact, no complicated double swirl setups, it just works.
- Closes both healer and buffer slot in party
Her weakest points:
- Doesn't fix overload reaction, it's DMG still will be non-existant, small enemies throw back will have negative impact.
- Weak defensive capabilities. Players with skill issues gonna struggle without extra defensive utility (Beidou/Thoma/Bennet)
- Double scaling makes her own damage non-existant.
- No grouping with overload, good luck with your melee DPS.
- Without C6 amount of buffs doesn't look like upgrade for any current team composition.
I don't hate an idea of reviving some forgotten reactions like overload, but execution could be better. I still think the most promising composition is Main DPS + 2 Sub DPS + Chevreuse, however we need more synergistic pyro/electro units with her. She probably designed for future characters, so will see.
As far as melee DPS goes with Overload, it really depends on which the team you're running. I use Kuki, Dehya, Nahida, and Fischl as my Dehya team, and Overload is a nice chunk of my damage (20k+ overloads aren't bad, and that's with no VV in the mix) and the knockback is not a factor, because Dehya does have a nice radius on her AoE, also decent on her burst melee, while Oz and Nahida can hit at range. An important thing to keep in mind is that the enemies most prone to get knocked back are also the ones with low HP. They are the ones that die easy.
I kind of feel her weakest point is that she's pyro, instead of electro. She'd pair much better with the pyro archers then. Like I could see her being great with Lyney... Benny, Lyney, Dehya, and electro Chev. But when you have to fit an electro in as well, you tend to find yourself tight on space, because pyro will tend to be the underlying element, and pyro characters hit hard and scale with attack, typically, so you usually want Benny. And that leads to 3 pyro, 1 electro teams, which limits options.
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Honestly I think a lot of her value lies behind two things, the fact that she doesn’t have to play around VV uptime/rotations and you can just do whatever you want (also that you can buff Electro and Pyro at the same time) which leads to the second thing that would be Dual Carries.
Dual carries are something Inazuma tried to do but in a very meta centric environment they would never be optimal. Your buffs would either be split inbetween two characters, or you’d only be able to buff one and the other carry would be on their own, which in a meta sense wouldn’t be very appealing.
However with Chevreuse she pretty much has all the buffs within herself (esp. at C6 but even without) that allows you to do like Dehya and Raiden teams, or Keqing and Yoimiya. Even Cyno teams since again, Chevreuse has no time requirement. Slap a Xiangling on and have some fun. (Although Cyno without Aggravate makes me a little scared.)
Overall even if she’s not meta I think she does a good job at finally solidifying this weird thing Hoyoverse tried to add. Even if it’s only for Pyro and Electro characters for now.
lol dehya raiden and omg keqing yoimiya....dude this is just..........too much copium, those both ideas suck. Also U cant just slap xiangling on it, xiangling without bennett is not that good and chev isnt as good of a battery.
@@lostblueboy Idk if it was clear but I’m not a Meta guy myself so as long as something is fun I’m gonna play it. Not that Copium for me lol.
@@lostblueboyactually he’s up to something. Dual Carries is not something new. With Chev you have bettter shred uptime than VV allowing for dual carry compositions. Raiden/Sara/Dehya/Chev is gonna be a very strong team because Sara can also give Dehya 75% of a Bennet atk buff and it’s not tied to a circle in an overload team. Yoimiya/Keqing seems more complicated since they both have longer field times. But the Raiden/Dehya dual carry comp is actually sheeting better than expected.
@@Blizandrio Yeah in practicality most of the Dual carry teams would be Dehya + Electro, or Raiden + Pyro due to how their ults durations and E skills work. I was just throwing things out. I’m really excited for Dehya and Raiden’s teams though.
Would definitely make more sense on why Dehya has such "undesireable" duration times, and got pre-nerfed when she was already so low in numbers.
maybe she's a character that is supposed to prepare us for the incoming pyro characters in natlan COPIUM
its gonna be the shinobu move all over again just wait
I don't like Nilou's kit design, but at the very least with all of its restrictions it does something interesting with the reaction. The biggest problem I have with this character is despite having the same restrictions, doesn't even change Overload in any meaningful or fun way, just gives you a damage buff. Worse yet, that means if they want to make a character that actually does in the future, they'd have to directly obsolete her which means they probably won't do it lol
I assume the gap between your opinion of her and TGS and Jstern's opinions of her is due to differences in constellation assumptions. I think the convenience of her kit will be nice but she'll only get real good with someone like Chlorinde or Arlecchino
lets be real. most players have Raiden/Yoi and are f2p. to c6 her you need 210 wishes...
so most players will not even pull or have her. If she was on Navia banner I would throw 30 wishes but now... nope
@@ixirionshe on Raiden/Yoi banner xdd
I Just listen to TGS for serious calcs and theory crafting these days (he has been more right), zajoff is funny though
@@keyzzz9798 both are equaly right and wrong. Zajeff is more F2p perspective while TCG is high investment.
as all truths it depend on perspecitve.
@@ixirion I think both TGS and even Jstern has said they expect c0 to be pretty good. I think the bias Zajeff admits to is just really severe. This isn't even a real pre-release analysis like he does for other characters.
Im surprise youre doing a prerealease for her. I thought you didnt like her enough for making this kind of video. Im happy you did it tho
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Good format. Impressive, very nice
I think she looks interesting and even if not the best unit it looks like it can allow a couple of new team comps, I will def be trying out something like Raiden, Yoimiya, Beidou/Sara & Chevreuse. I still would have loved a pre-release analysis since I think those videos are great!
Her being a Pyro character for overload is pretty dope, I was goofing around in overworld and noticed how funny it is when enemies are juggled by Lyney's CA + Raiden E so a character that can buff that is all i could ask for. Hopefully she's oversaturated in future banners so getting her C6 won't be as miserable as Faruzan but given that 4* have no pity I'm rooting for all my brothers and sisters that are pulling for her/ want to use her and pulling for Yoi/Ei. Lets just hope her niche doesn't overlap with Gaming too much because with Tankfei/Thoma/Xiangling/Benny the pool of 4* Pyro units is hella big
I am still not used to Gaming’s name 😂
@fimbulvetr6129 technically his name should be Ga Ming but they decided to arbitrarily fuse the parts despite not doing so with Hu Tao
@@effluxi9587 No, his name is Gaming. In Hu Tao, Hu is last name and Tao is first name, while Gaming is his first name.
@@alexownn382 not true
@@crashiecorbashie it is though 😭
Zaj almost at 100k🎉
The Gacha point does make sense... But I wonder if she'll inevitably be free at some point...? But only for those who do that event should one ever show up...
My main issues here are that she both doesn't address the main reasons overload is bad (flinging enemies into goddamn orbit and having bad numbers generally), and also precludes us from getting what would otherwise be an interesting kit if it were given 5* scalings. I can easily see this being much more interesting if the entire constellation tree were rolled into the base kit and she turned into a 5*. With the typical gimped 4* treatment she's getting, it's just delaying the potential for overload to turn into something useable. It's crazy that they let Nilou fix bloom within a couple months of dendro coming out, but overload remains in the silly state its always been in.
Chevreuse in my opinion is quite good but only on archetype that are right now underdeveloped. I guess she can fit in some mono electro team Raiden/Yae/Sara, maybe in some mono pyro team if you manage to fit a good electro, or some Electro/Pyro hypercarry. I guess that the more the carry needs field time the more chevreuse gains over a simple VV shred setup. Overall, she has potential but right now not meta.
My gut feeling is that she'll be a functional four star, but, well, a four star character. People will use her for a bit, and then, like Heizou and Lynette, she'll fade out of use, for the most part, unless something new comes up to add value to her. And that she'd have been more useful if she was electro rather than pyro, for our current crop of characters.
That said, as far as the knockback on Overload goes, I think it depends a lot on the team. I use a setup for my Dehya team that overloads, without a grouper, and it isn't a problem. Dehya's hits have enough radius, Nahida and Fischl reach out and touch, and enemies that are most susceptible to getting knocked back are also the ones with the lowest hp totals, meaning they're typically dead rather than knocked back. Now, if you are using a more single target type character that hits for lower amounts and your Overload damage sucks as well, and you don't have someone like Fischl to finish enemies off, then yeah, it gets more problematic.
Appreciate the thoughts. I think she is usable with constellations. I dont like that hoyo does that but what is the alternative? ToF? Anyways I will certainly be giving her a try as I like these characters that try to make something out of what hoyo knows is suboptimal...
If they ever release a electro shielder with buffing ir damage then you can pair it with Chevy, Liney, Bennet/xiangling and make a very good team
I was really hoping it would change how overload worked, like how Nilou changed how bloom work. like swapped overload to implode where it doesnt knock back.
It would be funny if the overload becomes future meta
Can I get your opinion on yoimiya+raiden core for a overload comp with chev for bosses obviously not over world
I guess I’m also thinking that she has a free artifact set since VV res shred is built into her kit. Bennet would be on Noblesse and what would the other be?
Instructor isn’t that great for overload and she doesn’t enable tenacity right? Idk
I feel the same way about her. But sure if she's worth losing other units for. On paper, she offers up to 40% attack, some healing, 40% pyro/electro resistance shred, and 60% pyro/electro elemental damage (only) at c6. Which is pretty valuable for a 4 star!
But in practice, it's seems like it will be quite clunky to use, because you need to restrict yourself overload. Which is already just NOT a good reaction. But then, she doesn't augment Overload in any way that would help alleviate how piss poor it feels to play with. I've seen some really good suggestions about turning the knockup into a short stun, I suggested the overload should implode instead of explode, alleviating the need for anemo grouping.
Now, while VV shred is great proper set-ups can be tricky sometimes. So I can appreciate the fact that when her conditions are met, you're looking at very high, if not permenant uptime on pyro/electro resistance shred. Which is very useful for units with long on field rotations, and can't afford to swap out.
Cyno, Klee, and HuTao, come to mind. But I don't feasibly see any teams using Chevy outperforming these units already best teams.
It also bears mentioning that she losses essentially so much value if she is not at c6. Which is signifigant because on average you can expect to snipe the 4 stars you want off a banner every 40-50 pulls. You could pull multiple copies of a 5 star before you can ever see c6 Chevy. Happened to me, I was pulling for C4 Kaveh, and got c2 Baizhu before that happened. (Best accident ever)
Oh and again, *OVERLOAD.*
Ironically, this character probably becomes a god-tier 4 star if she does EXACTLY what she does now, but without the restriction of having pyro electro units only.
If Chevreuse is a support for future units, i imagine the assumed new Electro DPS to scale with atk% and have a mobile and similar gameplay to Cyno, but with a skill that has low cooldown and pulls enemies when used. This means that they wouldn't synergize well with Bennett because of the mobility and field time, and neither with Anemo units because they would not be able to apply element while off-field. If their ICD is high that would mean they are not so good with Aggravate either, which would put Chevreuse in a good spot.
I was planning on Raiden hyper carry C2. Sara C6, Bennet C5, Cherervuse C6. Thoughts? 2 fire and 2 electro so I’ll get those bonuses as well
Overload yoimiya doesn't need shielders. interrupting her AA string is fine.
I think a team like Yoi/Yae/Fischl/Chevy would work decently. Not sure how it would compare to the other teams you mentioned but I've personally noticed that if I run Yoi in an overload comp, I tend not to need a shield for her when the enemies are staggerable via overload.
I'd say her best use case is against enemies with innate auras, typically bosses like you said Tulpa. There is also thunder manifestation where I usually use Yoimiya/yanfei and she can buff her dmg more easily than kazuha.
I’ve been playing Dehya, Bennett, Xiangling, and raiden (dehya is c2r1) for 5-6 months now and I’m pretty excited to make her work in my team. Hope that my Dehya is good enough though😅, haven’t struggle to any abyss since then. Except if there is SIMON.
Can u make a comparison between the new healing set and nobless 4pc on buffing capablity of the team
I've always liked using an overload team of Yanfei / Beidou / Fischl / Bennett, mainly on abyss with waves of enemies. All 3 deal pretty solid damage, so Chevreuse will be such a blessing to them, which will also free my Bennett for other teams as well.
I could see her getting the kuki treatment when Arlecchino and Clorinde come out
Thank you for doing this pre-release on Chevreuse, I like it when you give an analysis of the 4-stars as it helps me with my theorycrafting even if I am not going for that 4-star.
Is she potential upgrade to Yae burst team? Obviously having her C6? like Yae, Sara (C6), Bennet AND her? Or really any possible setup? (going for pure high numbers, aiming to get that 1mln!)
I agree with you in that she is pretty underwhelming but I appreciate even just a smaller video about a new character than nothing at all. If anything if helps give those that don't keep up with leaks an idea of what to expect.
Waiting for post release analysus.
When I see a Zajef77 vid pop up on the sidebar I know it's bad news lol I still have PTSD from Dehya
I really hope that she will do okay~ish in Lyney mono-pyro. Only thing left is to figure out an electro unit that works with bow charge attacks....
Raiden
Yae is a great option
I mean...Who Tao, she can't really do efficient swirl setups
I always think of kazuha and sucrose in Hu tao teams more for the hydro characters because unless you run double pyro you are rarely gonna swirl pyro from my experience
Is that a website he's using when he brings up clips of her kit? Id like to see and read through her entire kit myself
Now that Chevreuse is out, what are your thoughts on a *Yoimiya / Chevreuse / Beidou / Fischl* team?
Could it be better than the Bennett variation (Benny instead of Chevreuse), or would it be better to Keep both Benny and Chevreuse and swap out Fischl or Beidou?
How would this type of Yoimiya Overload team compare to her Over-Vape team, regular Vape teams, or mono-Pyro teams?
I like Yoimiya and I'm just wondering if there is reason to pull for Chevreuse if I already play teams like:
*Yoi + Benny + Beidou + Fischl*
*Yoi + Yelan + Xingqiu + Beidou/Fischl*
*Yoi + Benny + Fischl + Yelan(orXingqiu)*
*Yoi + Benny + Kazuha + Yunjin/Xiangling*
etc.
As someone who has been running Yoimiya/Bennett/Fischl/Beidou for years I can tell you the Yoimiya missing overloaded targets is basically not a thing. For smaller targets (Hillichurls/Treasure Hoarders) most die in a single attack and then the next attack is hitting is different target so the knockback doesn't matter and for medium to large enemies (Vishaps and above) they only get staggered by overload so you don't miss. Genuinely think this is going to be her ideal comp as a replacement for Bennett letting you use him elsewhere.
klee, lisa, chevreuse?? elemental def shred stacking??
IGnoring Abyss she will be amazing for any and all boss fights period. I don't think we should overlook that, many enemies these days don't get venti'd or knocked back far so overload might not be that bad.
I saw someone else mention it but it got me a bit interested, what about her with Lyney? You could keep triple pyro by sloting her in but of course then you don't have VV but for Lyney is that actually as much of a loss? Especially if she's C6 of course, then could it be justified to not have an Anemo? The only other thing would be losing Pyro aura, but it's still triple pyro anyway
I would love to run her with Raiden, Yae Miko, and Bennett. Would chevreuse be a decent addition to this team to replace kazuha?
My problem with overload is actually when it push enemies outside my range.
I want to try out Chev-Fischl-Raiden-Dehya. Raiden and Dehya exchange between being on-field and having their off field skill up. Dehya’s punches and Raiden’s charge attack have wider hit targeting. Meanwhile Oz is always on the field. Might not be crazy but hoping it’ll be fun.
Just a heads up that Dehya's burst doesn't proc Fischl's C6.
Could Cheveruse be a teamate for Clorinde???
I'd like to imagine if Chevreuse is going to be a potential support for either Arlecchino or Clorinde, it's possible hoyo is aiming for another mono element setup that doesn't necessarily need you to use overload. Let's say for Clorinde, because of the electro shred, Clorinde's team would probably consist of her, bennett, Chevreuse, and maybe another electro off-fielder like fischl etc. Bennett and Chevreuse won't apply pyro in the span of Clorinde's field time. It does state that it shreds pyro and electro res and not necessarily buffing your overload damage
Maybe possibly the same with Arlecchino as well. And who knows if they make another similar type of BiS weapon like Lyne's that favors mono element setups
Her charged atk multiplier is good enough for me to turn her into hu tao with C6 Bennett and play vape
She seems very niche but fun in her niche. Unfortunate that we get no Overvape or Burningload, but alright. I don't mind them making niche characters, given that we have a crapton of units already, so if they're competing for the same role the worse one just gets left behind and that's the end of that.
When I heard she was going to be an overload character, I was really hoping she would have some passive that would cause overloads to become special, like how Nilou's blooms work. Something along the lines of implosions which would fix the issue of grouping with overload and put a spotlight on overload since the damage isn't terrible but the knockback being the biggest detractor of ever running it. A shame honestly, because I really hoped they would do something cool here, but I suppose that's the fate of a 4 star (looking at Freminet specifically since his design is so cool but so bad damage numbers)
tbh i rather use her then benny at this point,im way to annoyed by his circle impact gameplay that gets fucked over very easily if its against mobile enemys:wenut,inazuman batman,seahorse,chasm snek,construction meka etc. unless your characters snapshot.
while it aint hard to do im just done dealing with that shit after a 10 hour workday,if i can get chev to work with some teams i thought of im good never using benny ever again.
i probs do raiden/sara/chev/thoma his pyro apply is slow so he can always get the overload proc which means i can build him on em for it that also benefits from the chevv.
im already used to no cc(havent ever used sucrose and dont have venti or kazuha) so there is no issue on that front for me.
already calculated that my c1 raiden could reach 300k inital burst slash with this team so the total dmg with saras dmg ontop+thoma 17-20k overloads will be funk.with thomas shields and chev healing i should also not have much issues staying alive unless enemy attacks will overwelm his shields.
The main team I'd run her on is: Chevy, Kuki(Full EM TF), Bennet(C6), Dehya(DPS TF). Dehya On field, and in this comp Dehya could make use of a Rain slasher or Mailed Flower quite well.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh, fuck. Now I have a feeling Clorinde is gonna be a overload dps but they're gonna find a way to make it suck because overload already sucks.
Raiden. Yae. Xiangling. Chev. Tell me one thing bad about this team when played in an appropriate overload scenario. Those scenarios include bosses, ruin machine enemies, high poise enemies like beasts and humanoids, and hydro enemies. It has pure synergy. Raiden buffs all the bursts which each unit values. Triggers overload consistently to keep shred uptime (doesn’t work as well in a Raiden hyper with just Bennet and Chev). It’s great. Raiden. Yae. Bennet. Xiangling is a very good team which has been swept under the rug often, and this just trumps it in overload appropriate scenarios.
good luck on getting your XL burst for the second rotation
I love having to play xiangling with 300% er and fav
@@deathmetalalchemist5861 why would I need luck? What is this opinion guy? Raiden fuels energy. You can funnel pyro particles to Xiangling. Electro resonance generates extra particles. Heck, if you’re really strapped for energy you can put favonius on Chev to funnel more energy to Xiangling but that is soooo unnecessary. There’s no issue here whatsoever.
@@blacksuitedsonic how do you figure in a Raiden team with a pyro support character that can funnel particles to Xiangling? Not to mention that electro resonance generates more particles and you can put favonius on Chev IF your Xiangling is low er. Youre so off base guy.
What if she was actually made to be played with Chlorinde? 🤔
Baby want milk milk 👁👅👁 when is mommy Chlorinde coming home?
Good point, genuinely good point. Passive being THIS restrictive is still disappointing and a pain though.
😅 Restrictions again similar to Nilou
If they add restrictions on 5 stars just to make this purple head work I am done with this game .
I think that would be a unique team rather than her just being another electro carry that gets compared to raiden
She does enables the overload thing, but doesn't really di much for the reaction itself. She has similar but not so similar case with nilou where she buffs what intended to do but also enable the reaction she intended for.
If her passive also improve the dmg of overload instead of having pure atk scale buff it would be better, cause that what her kit revolves.
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Mihoyo: Here's a solution to the Overload problem
Us: We already had one *shows all other meta teams*
havent finished the vid, but ive been thinking about her with some friends and she has a genuine use case. cyno overload. the problem cyno runs into is that hes insanely greedy with field time, so much so that vv only lasts half his burst length. you cant refresh vv off field, but you can refresh her res shred off field. now, cyno overload teams are really hard cause xls burst doesnt really have the uptime and no one else can really apply off field pyro who actually deals enough damage to want the res shred and atk buff. but regardless, you can make due with her. now sadly it does mean no cyno battery, cause you just dont have space for fischl, or no xl battery but yea you wouldnt replace bennett with fischl when xl can snapshot
dude cyno overload is just psycho though, who plays cyno overload. What kind of fucked up shit have you seent to play that. I could never, esp since cynos numbers are balanced around aggravate so...like....its bad. But...some people like it i guess.
@@lostblueboy Cyno/Thoma/Chevi/Nahi sounds like cool team. Thoma and Cyno have synergy and similiar coolsowns.
as Beidou fan I like also the idea Cyno/Beidou/Chevy and Lisa :)
keep yapping!!@@lostblueboy
I will pull for Raiden during the rerun cause I want C2 so I should get at least one copy of her. My idea is to use her with Venti/Yae/Xiangling to bully enemies in a tornado of explosions. Not sure how good it can be but it sounds like a lot of fun
She won't work with Venti. If you want to play this comp just use someone with better pyro app
yeah u highlighted a key problem with her, she is nilou with all her restrictions but without the buffs. Any unit not pyro and electro, makes her lose the one buff she gives.
but also if u are using venti, ur are already getting res shred, just slot in another better unit like fischl and u are better off.
Nah as I said it was mostly for funzies. I know it's not a great team
My take on Chevrolet is that she seems to be (at c6) a side grade to Kazuha for when you want Kazuha on the other side of abyss.
I love her potential but when I saw her kit and how much potential it had, but how the damage part is over shined by the support part, and both exclude each other, instead of playing into each other.