Why quarter saw? $$$
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- čas přidán 11. 12. 2021
- In this video I talk about what ray flecks are, and why we started to inventory it!
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I have been a hobbyist woodworker for 40 years this is the best demonstration and explanation of quartersawn i have ever come across. Thank you for that. That which you refer to as ray flecks is also known as medulary rays. Some of the most beautiful effects of wood alongside crotch fugure and others. There are many. I build furniture pieces from rough cut lumber to finish pieces that most are fascinated at and tell me i am in the wrong career. Recently came across your channel and must say i have the deepest respect for your families dedication to the proper treatment of the profession. I follow another channel that burns all his scraps bcuz its not worth his time. I have a serious disdain for that attitude and upon finding your channel will let him know there are ways to utilize less profitable scraps and such if he can let go of his ego and ambition. Would love to see you guys progress to the point of processing and selling higher end woods so i can drive from the carolinas to purchase your product. Thx for the vids and keep on keepin.
You gals make your dad proud. One could only wish for a couple of kids that strive for knowledge and have a work ethic as you. You are beond your years in knowledge of the wood sawing industry. Keep up the great work !!!!!
White oak will often show good ray, but not always; the red oaks very rarely, but the straight grain that quarter sawing creates has its own advantages. Number one is the wood doesn't move around, movement is often reduced by half. So, on some woods like maple which doesn't seem to show ray, quarter sawn is a good answer for doors. Plus on some jobs people don't want wild grain, just good color.
You are correct, quarter sawn is hard to find, and good quarter sawn that's propely dried is even harder to find. I hope this idea works out for you. I wish you were around 40 years ago when I was just starting out!
I think flat sawn hardwoods that are cut through and through and then dried together as a log, would bring a healthy premium price, as book matched lumber is also hard to find.
But you are right, competing against the big wholesalers would be a trick, but having top quality wood, right from how it was cut in the forest, to how it is stored before being sold, is worth something. I think I would've willing paid 25% more for good wood, even flat sawn. Labor and overhead are bigger parts of many jobs then the cost of the wood.
Greatest plus of quarter sawn lumber is the increased stability. Nice video.
Your parents has every reason to be proud of you, hard working and skilled, KUDOS
WM quartersawyer here....Gave this some thought....first cut 1 board width above pith....throw that one off....stand up the fatter half...1st cut 1 board width above the pith...second cut on the pith...3rd cut 1 board width below the pith. Then do what you are doing, flopping the quarter this way and that. When you do the skinny half, do the same 3 cuts. I flip the quarter back to get the board out, then the opposite way for the next board. I always am the sawyer, but me and my swamper flip the quarter by hand. Cant wait (get it?) to get a nice oak log to quartersaw. You guys are an inspiration!
Awesome job Emerald! so concise with the video, thanks to you and your swamper!!
Quarter sawn white and red oak shrinks only 3 to 3.5% across the board as it dries. Flat sawn white and red oak shrink 7 to 8% across the board as it dries. Prior to advent of kiln drying, this was very important to furniture and cabinet makers. Quarter sawn lumber is much more stable (less affected by humidity changes) than flat sawn. Your table top or your China hutch are far less likely to split or crack in the winter during very low humidity.
Not a lumber man, but sure like your music. Stay safe all of you. God loves you so trust Him.
In Australia it’s known as ‘fiddleback’, always interesting to hear what terms are used where. 👍😎👍
I've only heard of fiddle back as a reference to sycamore which is the first choice for violins and similar. My understanding was it referred actually to the ripple of the grain which is very sought after and rare but only really shows up in quarter sawn. I don't think sycamore or maple actually have rays.
Great video! Sure nice to see family's working well with each other!
It's their looks that turn heads but it's their work ethic and character that makes them attractive .
As long as you all are staying safe and warm then all is good.
You girls are an inspiration because of your energy and work ethic. Blessing to you as you run the mill with the snow falling on you.
Yikes. I've made some oak furniture pieces with ray fleck and didn't have any idea the "ray" refers to the cells of the tree. Super interesting and good to know the truth. Wish more of our fellow Americans would pay attention to factual details like this. I'm from PA, around Allentown. Went to school with a gal from your area. She was also smart with a bucket load of common sense and talent. Thanks for the videos. Hope your family's business is wildly successful, including this channel.
A thing I'd like to see: Would really enjoy more of what your customers do with your product: buildings (the hunting lodge was super cool), furniture, the planter boxes in situ.... I know this kind of video will be harder to make, but you asked :)
I sawed western red Cedar for many years with a LT-30 Many of the logs were 5-6 feet in.diameter much to large for the mill so l split them at first by chance when I saw the benefit of quarter sawing that is how to make top quality lumber keep it up your on the right track
Nice video Emerald, thumbs up.
In English " ray flecks" are termed medullary rays and they and quarter sawing were something that we were taught about as part of general education at school etc.
It must be hard to try to learn all of this apparently on one's own without being able to learn directly from a good sawyer for a few years. Quarter sawing of wood is usually one of the first basic techniques that is learned because of the much higher quality of wood that is produced when compared to plain sawing.
Watched your first vid on1/4 sawing ,a bit of practice and you're doing much better! I wish my 2 grandsons had half as much work ethic as you and your siblings. That being said,I wish you and your Family a Joyous Christmas and a Prosperous New Year.
As a cabinetmaker I loved quarter sawn lumber!
A tour of the log yard would be awesome
In reference to antifreeze/ keeping your band saw lubrication from freezing up . Try using heat lamps/ brooder lamps, and or an electric submersible small D.C./ A.C. heater inside of holding container. Also by adding some alcohol, I don't know what kind. There is alcohol in your windshield washer fluid. Don't get bulbs to close to the plastic/ anything flammable. You could also rotate / add some extra hot fluid in as it cools down and is used.
Another cool video!
You could set a time lapse up covering the whole yard for a full day, that would be cool with your narration over it and a link to some of the cool music you play.
We could count how many times the "Boss" walks past with a coffee in his hand 🤣
It's medullary rays. Found obviously on oak but on other lesser expected timbers. Like beech but also lace wood which is actually London plane but only if its quarter sawn. Beautiful white wood with tiny pink or red fleck.
The extent of the rays is not down to the sawyer or their experience. It's down to the log. Different species of oak are better figured than others, French or sessile for example but if the log has a significant twist every attempt to expose the rays is futile. But what do I know? 35 years on the headrig actually and would still say unless you are paid double the value for the output then live saw it. You still get enough qs to satisfy most customers and won't price yourself out of the everyday market that won't cough up the extra. For what it's worth crown cut timber, if set correctly is also just as attractive its just most sawyers don't have the skill or training.
Every oak log ive sawn i have flat sawn an they are full of fleck
Great video. Great information on quarter sawing. Love your channel
Looking at the product you're making makes me want to stop by and pick some up for my next project. But you're just a little far away as I live on the west coast of Canada. Love your videos. Keep up the good work.
the other day I was think how they should plant bamboo in the amazon rain forest - might even be able to plant their - it grows quick and got some tensile strength- but might be bad for forest - might be easier to replant the tree's limbs to grow quicker - it takes to long to grow from seed lings
Hello there! I’ve been watching your videos it’s it’s quite good. Your family are hardworkers & it will be good to witness how you guys do it in person. Keep up the good work & will be waiting for more videos to watch.
Can't wait to see the kiln build!
Yet another pro level video from my favourite channel!👍 I enjoyed watching the dexterity displayed in the fast motion clip at just after the 5 minute mark!🤪🏆
I like the way you work as team. Very good explanatory video.
Y’all are doing a great job with your sawmill and producing a good product. I’m curious about the pricing for 1/4 sawn species and how it differs from regular sawn lumber and how you market that special cut timber? BTW I noticed the “Boss Dad” checking out your work as he walked by…lol. Kudos for being out in that weather working 🥶
That was cool and informative. Thank you for showing quarter sawing.
Still think Woodmizer sawmills need cupholders.
A GREAT 50 cent explanation of QUARTER SAWN!
Great video.
Perfect timing just went to check to see if you uploaded! Amazing lumber woah! For some reason I still don’t understand why milling it like that makes the lumber look different!
I hope your hands are ok! They don’t look too good so hope you feel better soon and Merry Christmas!
If you really want something to do, in your spare time between 5:00 pm and 5:00 am you could build a small post and beam building on the lot, sell things you make like bird houses, feeders, along with local crafts including fresh baked goods and a soft ice cream during the summer. I don’t think that’s asking too much. LOL
Another great video. Quarter sawing takes a lot of trial along with time. Wondered if you started on the kiln yet and if there will be a video on that. Another use of by products to dry you own lumber. You guys really do keep innovating to be 0 waste. Bob in Pennsylvania
Merry Christmas Emerald and family!
Excellent video! Another couple of reasons to quarter-saw is straighter grain and much more stability than flat sawn lumber. When will your kiln be ready? Air dried lumber is ok, but the moisture content of kiln dried lumber is 6% to 8%, which is much more stable for furniture. My preferences for quarter-sawn walnut are almost freakish! Thanks for another excellent video. Merry Christmas to you and your family, and may you receive the blessings of the season.
Came for the pretty girls. Stayed for the great photography and narrative.
I am no expert, but I was always told that quarter sawn wood was cut 90 degrees to the grain. Which is basically what you said.
You would love some good ol Missouri White Oak!
When the snow comes, there is never enough cover.
Other great vid. more info on 1/4 sawn .merry Christmas to you and family from Australia
Sounds like a sound easy to promote strategy. Logos bless you and your family.
you girls work so well together.
what a great family the best of the best
Nice video...keep up the great work.
Oh man, you’re getting snow up there. We’ve had nothing but a few showers near the MD border.
courage by this bad weather ... Hello from Belgium ...
I was thinking... even if I wanted to work for you in the future I’m not sure if I could due to your insane employee “requirements” in the last video 😂 😂 😂
Haha, you would do great, you’re a farmer!
@@lumbercapitallogyard Sweet am
I hired?
Haha, why don’t you take a trip out and see if you like it first?
@@lumbercapitallogyard Ya know maybe that’s a good idea. I’d hate to drive 8 hours to start my dream job and come home a day later because I couldn’t keep up with y’all
@@lumbercapitallogyard I’d rather drive 8 hours in one day, meet you guys, buy one 2x4x8, then drive home and think about it. Then! Wait ready.. start my 8 hour commute to work everyday!
I would love to know more on why the quarter sawn makes for stronger furniture which I assume is straighter over time.? Thanks Em if you see this
Such exquisite visual storytelling at 2:25 to 2:35, where you went through the saw with your camera. Bare hands on rough sawn timber in the cold snow makes for tough hands probably. Do any of you play musical instruments?
Hiya Lady Emerald, thank you for a great video, may I ask what angle you would consider for quarter sawn? Could you show us the flecks, please?
You all stay safe, even the weird one, Steve...
Wow, I always thought he was a Pennsylvania Dutch farmer in the 50”s.
Merry Christmas!
It just looks cold! :D
Do you pelletize your sawdust? That could be another income stream. I know you are busy but wood pellets are fairly easy to make and fetch a good price.
bout a video with you making Christmas cookies etc. Good to see some of your baking skills.
Great content
It so much “strong” but stable. It moved much less than all other non-1/4 sawn.
Don't forget boat builders. Market to them also.
Medullary rays are a beautiful thing indeed. I won't correct you on some of your information as i am thinking that it is mostly regional language. Nothing wrong with that simply not industry standards. There are many more reasons quarter sawn is considered desirable than exposing the medullary rays.
Always god to see Matter.
I use a harbor freight dust collector blower so i dont have to shovel dust.
Not hard to setup
Picked up on your experimentation with camera angles and perspectives. Like what I saw. You have talent with videography and editing. Your intelligent comments are well placed during editing
The Boss must be doing that for you. JK!
You girls make want to rush out and buy a mill. If only I had softer timber on my land! My trees are all finest grade cast iron all the way though🤪
As beautiful and stable as it is, quarter sawn rays have a tendency to flake at the worst time. For example, with sanding and staining a wooden floor. There is no hint of a problem until the first coat of finish is applied. Then the flaking rays appear. I do have a technical question about your saw. In this clip I saw you cutting a good sized tree trunk in half. In another shot, cutting it along the bottom. With all that weight sitting on the cutting blade, pinching it, why doesn't it bind?
That doesn't bind the blade because the kerf is wider than the blade body and the uncut wood just un front of the blade holds the weight up until the teeth exit the end of the cant.
I am not very knowledgable in regards to 1/4 sawing, but would a Lucas Mill make it a fair bit faster and easier to do the 1/4 sawing and just keep that as a dedicated 1/4 sawing Mill that Grandpa can use.
You mentioned Kiln drying, is that something you all do as well? if so, would love to see that process
That is a video I will be posting sometime in the next couple weeks, we are still in the process of building it.
Good edit and music choice, kiddo
Echoing other commenters. Love the music, where’s it come from?
The yard looks fairly empty at this time of the year. Do you change what type of milling that you do at different times of the year?
Y'all are really getting to be quite the sawyers.
Why is the plank cut from the bottom side?..wouldnt the weight of the log pressing down on the plank promote the blade marks?
How often do you come across, or do you even find any at all, of birds eye or tiger boards, such as birds eye maple?
you mentioned a kiln. I have not seen a kiln in your videos. might be a good topic
Gurl.... what did you do to your left hand? I hurt mine splitting kindling about 2 weeks ago when I missed with the hatchet...smh. hope you heal up quick
This is just a question, would like to see if you agree.
When you make your first cut threw a log to 1/4 saw it if you were to cut 4/4 above center of the log for your first cut, with out moving the log at all then second cut at dead center then 3rd cut 4/4 below center. You should have your first 2 quart sawn boards cut from the log only needing to run them threw the edger to finish them. The same could also be done with the remaining halves of the log to get 2 quarter swan boards out of each them also with much less moving of the log.
This just seams like it would work to get more cuts out of the log with less moving of the log. Pleas let me know if you think this will work or not.
Ps , this is Jim on his wife's account. LOL
This is exactly what I thought too. Just take some slabs out of the center before you turn the log 90°
That will work well provided you remove the pith. No way would I want to buy a piece of lumber with the pith left intact.
Robert, I didn’t give specific and exacting, complete directions! Sure anyone cutting or using high quality expensive wood knows the pith gets cut out of those center cuts or you have a board about 24” to 36” wide and you’d be a knuckle head to think that was a good quarter sawn board!
I also didn’t say that the center cut would have to be run through the edger to cut a straight edge.
You also failed to understand that when a log is cut into 4 equal size pieces, then each “quarter” is cut into boards by flipping after each slice, the way they cut it in this video.
What happens to the pith???
Did it disappear????
Is it converted into something else???
Are you an experienced sawyer or an experienced woodworker or do you just know enough to be annoying?
@@grdelawter4266 Experienced woodworker., Certainly not a sawyer. No need to be insulting!
As for the quarter sawing and where does the pith go, it is still there, but only in small quantities on four boards that will either be trimmed away by the woodworker during jointing or sawing to width. Personally, no woodworkers that know anything about wood would use the pith in their project.
Nice vidja. Y'all take care and have a blessed week and try to stay warm. See you on your next vidja.
cool
What type. Kiln do you have and how much time does it take?
How do you sharpen saw blades or do you send them out is there a video there
Big red bird
hey girl what about the rift sawn part if the boards
Operating the controls about 5:50 to 6:00 looks like some twitchy tik tok thing ;)
Are you sawing oak you got from mills at a reduced price because of metal?
Quarter sawing seems to take more coffee than flat sawing.
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Nice!! Music by?
Quick question... I still haven’t decided if I should get the stationary controls or the walk behind on the LT40. Lmk your thoughts on that when you got a chance. I feel like walk behind would be nice in the winter so I don’t freeze on the -30 days here in VT but maybe I would get too tired?
Walking behind it doesn’t necessarily make you tired but there is a lot of sawdust constantly blowing in your face with that set up. I would recommend the stationary control center. I have had both and like the stationary one a lot more, I do jumping jacks to keep warm lol
@@lumbercapitallogyard Ok makes sense thanks. I did some woodworking for a week in our barn and inhaled so much sawdust it changed my voice and I sounded like my uncle who’s been smoking for the last 100 years. Definitely don’t want to do that again!
@@lumbercapitallogyard maybe a finished roof over your operation would help too?
Wear a mask. Wood dust is a known carcinogen. IE: causes cancer. Protect your lungs. I don’t want to see you die early or wind up on home O2 later in life.
@@lumbercapitallogyard how do you grade lumber?
##? Have you actually cut any iron wood I had a small block of ironwood it is extremely hard had to cut with metal band saw as wood saw wouldn't cut this was in key west Florida many old home there used ironwood pegs and those homes are still standing even after multiple hurricane winds
Think to day ironwood used mostly in jewelry or other wood inlay projects
I notice that your logs all seem to be one standard length. What happens when a tree leaves you with a section that's not long enough? Does it end up as firewood?
Sow as the bilb of brother
So what are you all hoping to get for Christmas 🎄🎅🏻🖐😜😎☕Cheers
Medullary ray
What do you use for winter lubrication?
Windshield wiper fluid
@@lumbercapitallogyard Thank you
@@899jj along with the washer fluid, add a half cup of pine-sol and 6 drops of Dawn Dish Detergent as an emulsifier. I got that from Mike Morgan at Outdoors With The Morgans. It works even better than straight washer fluid.
Do you folks replant where you log?
No, that is up to the land owner
What species were you cutting?
Oak