Nice saying, but you need to know that the certifications comes by test with standard method not by just experimenting ;). However, I really believe that mehdi can come with his own standard test method if he wanted to :)
You forget that he is an excellent engineer from the usual videos. The testing was on point, and data presentation was really understandable, and made rhe comparison more alive.
Thats heading towards the concept of "Lifetime fluid" in cars that used CVT transmissions. Lifetime just meant the trans fluid lasted as long as the transmission. When one was dead so was the other.
@@andrewd1455 I dunno about that, I think heating elements matter just as much in that instance. The rest is just the structural metal bits, where I'd imagine a failure would likely occur extremely early if at all; the reflector and the insulation where about the only thing that could go wrong would be having holes in the insulation from the get-go or the reflector literally falling off as soon as you install the thing; and then there's a bit of wires running through the device with no circuitry whatsoever, but it's just wires with one end coming out to connect to the heating element and the other to connect to the power source - the only major failure I can envision for these is insulation melting off over a long period of time, which I guess is a valid concern. Still, the heating elements and the structural metal are probably the largest contributors to the cost, and out of these two the heating elements are much more likely to fail, especially over a period of time, I'd imagine (from the quartz having imperfections that eventually cause it to crack, to the wire wrapped around it having quality issues which might lead to uneven heat distribution)
@@Maric18 you can see lots of things that are transparent to infrared radiation. Or I can reverse this statement. Water is a great example of something that is transparent in optical and almost completely opaque to infrared
The motif/cage on the front is there to keep any large pieces from falling if the element breaks, keeping fingers away is more of a bonus. I worked in a factory years ago, and one of the tubes in a light broke one day, about 35-40 feet above us. There were no cages on the lights as per OSHA regulations- a coworker of mine happened to be hunched over working on something directly under. The intact 3/4 remainder of the broken light was vertical when it hit the lower side of his back. It went almost straight through, deep enough to puncture his liver. He recovered, and got a nice fat check after all was said and done.
I have a feeling that Infratech knew about the Bromic Heaters document and wanted you to help them debunk them, that's why they were so confident. At 9:47, that asterisk really sounded my asterisk detector, since one asterisk can just say "as long as package has been dropped from 3,000,000 light years."
Am currently doing diploma in electrical and electronics Engineering but you are one of the Engineers on youtube that always inspire me to learn and advance more especially the way you deeply analysis and experiment in a humourous way thanx you Mr. Medhi 🙂🙂
Just discovered your channel while looking for heating options for my deck. I'm in surrey, so basically same temps outside as you. Love your content, and it's given me some thing to consider. Thanks !
@@ponchorodriges8460 lmao if they put that much effort into their warranties, they’d probably have the most competent customer service in the industry (Ignoring the side effects of having to get murdered)
Reminds me of a car transmission oil that "didn't need to be changed because it lasted the lifetime of the transmission". What they didn't tell you is the expected lifetime of the transmission is 100k miles (aka warranty coverage) assuming you don't change the oil. But it'll last much much longer if you actually change the oil.
And in the buiness, that's what we call FRAUD. You can't just lie, drop an asterisk beside it, and explain that it's a lie at the bottom in fine print. You can only go so far with an asterisk like that, and that one crosses the line. Also those reflectors had the same profile and looked pretty similar. Unless there's some material or thickness differences, I agree, nothing "magical about them". Probably made on the same assembly line, one's just cut a little longer. Clearly they were trying to BS you about the guard on the front not blocking radiation. I hate it when tech support just lies to my face.
Yea okay - I was like "No way he's posting his home address, that's a mess waiting to happen!" But I see I was worried no reason :D And yes, I may think you're a bit crazy Mehdi, you almost lit ur pants on fire for a seatwarmer :D It's okay tho, I love you for it
I've honestly been watching your videos for a while. Every time I watch one I enjoy it. That's for both the informative and comedy portions! Only today have I subscribed. I wasn't sure I was ready to take the next step with you. I have commitment issues with youtube content creators. But you've earned it. Thanks for the laughs and the videos.
Love the video and all the effort and data you put forth. I was heading down the Bromic path but you have changed my mind. I have a large 20x26 porch so I'm gonna need a few Heaters. Keep it up!!
Should have measured temperature off the top of the units while they were running. If the Bromic's top was cooler for _its surface area/Watts consumed_ than the Infratech's, it would help support their claim of a more efficient reflector.
It doesn't have a superior reflector, it's marketing lies. This is already explained and obvious from the energy draw and heat output. If you're still confused watch the video again.
Mehdi: "...I'll leave my address in the description..." Me: Are you insane dude? *checks description* A link? Is it a rickroll? *clicks anyway because i need to know* Oh... I should have expected that :)
Actually it isn't too difficult to derive his address from the videos. He shows the surroundings of his house which can easily be used to find the address.
Mehdi, thank you so much for your videos. Even with your trolling videos, you do teach valuable lessons with electricity, and electronics that lots of people should really know! You have even helped me with starting my own electronics projects, so thank you so much! Keep making stuff.
Gotta love that companies can just define "lifetime warranty" to be an arbitrary number of years in the fine print. I get that "lifetime" is _technically_ not a standardized unit of time, but come on. That's like the old saying "give a man a fire and he'll be warm for the night; set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life"
some define lifetime warranty as the lifetime of the product, and it only remains a product for as long as they want, after which it is no longer a product, therefore its lifetime is over. so yes, very arbitrary, and utterly meaningless
@@TrueHolarctic Happen to know based on what regulation / court case / law / etc? I'd love to have that as a reference when I call up customer service. The most popular warranty protection I'm aware of is Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act but that doesn't have any requirement for 4 years to my knowledge unless that was established in a court case somewhere?
You are amazing. You made a completely unbiased (and very thorough) report by testing the heaters yourself. And at the end you even just give them for free. Well sir thank you for existing
For temporary connections, Wago 222 or 221 you will find very handy as they won't damage the conductors and are available at 32 and 40 amps. The 222's have a testing point too.
Reminds me of that Mould effect video where he gave my personal favorite quote "this is a mechanical problem and as an electrical engineer I am overqualified to deal with it"
I've seen many of your videos for their entertainment value, but this one with the breakdown of your testing is what got me to subscribe, cheers boss, looking forward to seeing more
I wasn't expecting much from this video, technology or science-wise.. but you show that a curious mind can put on the scientific lense and look at *anything* to understand it better, more deeply, and figure out causes for things we see in the world.. awesome!
I really enjoy videos where experts review products. It's, like, Lock Picking Lawyer's whole schtick and it's really engaging. I'd watch a lot more of this sort of content.
I do electrical for a big restaurant in Dallas that has around 20 infratech heaters the same size as what you got and the elements last around 2 winters being used for around 12 hours a day, 4-5 months of the year. Changing these out is fairly easy but the main problem we always come across is the crimps on the end of the wires that go on the filaments burn up rather quickly and leave a good chance to short to the casing of the heater once the wire melts off
I paused the video halfway to come down here and say: I have never seen anyone work so hard on any review paid/unpaid and work so damn hard to make a fair comparison. And you mention that paid conversation as well. You have my respect, sir.
@@proxyhx2075 Idk... its basically a bit of quartzglass, sheet metal and nichrome wire. This should be very easy to produce. Its not over the moon, but its not great either.
It's been a while since a last watched one of your videos and the quality jump, comparing to the good ol' ones is just atonishing. Happy to see everything is going well
Yeah there's very little you can do to improve these now. Improving power factor, using material that is much smoother and free of perfections, and improving resistors is about as much as you can really do at this point.
@@Unethical.Dodgson Well there IS one element they could improve. The safety guard! With a more reflective coating and thinner profile they could keep the safety but reduce how much it absorbs/reflects infrared radiation. Honestly, that's really the only thing left you could really do. As you said, not much else to do.
Giant resistor with the parabolic mirror. Both are essentially "solved" for now so yeah, not much a company can do to get a competitive advantage, at least for performance. You would have to look at durability, customer service, quality of components (Although these are essentially identical too), and most importantly price. And I guess aesthetics, but you can't really reliably just "improve aesthetics" of your product, that's subjective.
Yeah, it's a race to make the lowest grade energy output (heat) in the most efficient way possible. Kind of a brain teaser, too, energy is dearly generated by heating water to generate steam to get momentum from a turbine in order to generate electricity, which then gets sent out only to be converted back into heat :P But that's the way it goes.
7:06 and this is one reason we use split phase power, both hot wires are at 120V potential to ground, but 180° out of phase so across the two, you get 240V. If you get shocked, unless you touch both hot wires (which almost never happens), you'll never get a 240V shock.
By evaluating the profile at 5 feet against the floor, I think that's more useful information, since that's the profile that would affect you a few feet off the ground it it's mounted at 8 feet. Or in other words, your face would feel that pattern, which is more important than the floor.
Indeed, also the vast majority of the cross sectional area of the human body is above the waist. Most of that being the torso so that is the area of your body that. You might not feel that as directly due to the insulating layers of your clothing but it is still contributing a lot to reducing the inevitable heat loss that would still occur even through your clothing. By heating the outer parts of your clothing even if it doesn't manage to reverse the temperature gradient through the layers of your clothing it will at least reduce it. This in effect would aid your clothing in reducing the body heat lost to the environment by reducing the thermal gradient that is drawing energy away from you. End result is a non trivial fraction of the heat the air is absorbing from the outer layers of your clothing was deposited there by the heater and thus is not being drawn from your skin. Since we experience temperature in those relative terms from receptors in our skin detecting that energy gain or loss this would also make you feel warmer even if it is less noticeable given the more significant heating of any exposed skin.
@@danoconnell1833 why should a customer service representative answer in depth questions surrounding the physics of the product when they aren't an engineer? I would love to give my customers all the answers, because I want them to be satisfied, but I'm also not gonna throw myself under the bus, by telling them the truth about something that would be better communicated by an engineer. I just fix things. The rep in the video just answers the phone and refers issues to the appropriate parties.
@@Boaty_McBoatface_ You are much too young to see how much evil is packed behind such philosophies of demeaning a human into nothing more than a fucking answering machine to take you to the right department to get ripped off. It's no different than the guards at the camps directing the, "guests", where to go.
@@danoconnell1833 what i mean is little did the customer service know he's talking to an electrical engineering guy, not as an offense to those customer service.
@@flandrble Sony is actually pretty good, so is Asus's gaming line, they're just pricy. I refuse to buy phones without headphone jacks ever again. It's so nice to have a modern too of the line phone with a good internal amp and a headphone jack.
Thank you for doing some proper analysis and showing us how to understand claims that manufacturers make. Well done both suppliers for allowing their products to suffer some impartial scrutiny. Great channel thank you for what you do.
Funnily enough when you talk so firmly with your accent it feels so natural and so good your voice randomly pops in my head whenever I'm messing with something dangerous
wow man thanks i picked up the heaters from your address. they work fine and now i totally wired them fine from watching ur prev video. Thankyou so much 👍
@@cherriberri8373 This fine person right here is just thankful to receive such a generous gift from Mehdi and all you can do is accuse them of sarcasm. Maybe you're just jealous.
As a fellow electrical enthiousiast, I approve of the applicable safety requirements during testing. I mean, it’s obvious not to touch any metal objects whatsoever during testlab scenarios. Though it should be mentioned no mechanical engineers are allowed on site.
Mechanical design engineers help produce everything that you can touch though. I think that it only takes an electrician to assemble. Seems like an electrical engineer is not necessary. I like how you were doing all the mechanical engineering and testing stuff....the right stuff rocket engineer. 😀😀😀😀
@@nloughner2015 I’ll happily fix that lighting for you. But please don’t let me assemble anything that requires more than a PZ2 screw driver. Or was it a PH2? Doesn’t matter, both work
I didn't expect this video to be some kind of elaborate research, but god dang it Mehdi I'm in love with your delivery; critical and scientific. You should make a scientific paper sometimes, the science community needs researcher like you!
I loved the in depth comparison! You should do a comparison of wago connectors vs wire nuts. I think you could definitely blow some stuff up and settle a heated debate amongst electricians.
video quality has definitely improved....and data representation was so much easier to understand (even if being technical) and obviously "FAIR" (except for the fact that you were holding the whiteboard upside down).....kinda missed the explosion shock when you turned on that button though....😂😂
Great video, I learned alot as i haven't given much thought to the differences between heater designs since they are basically IR emitting resistors. Thanks for all the work you put into this video for the rest of us out there.
I love your videos Mehdi, always entertaining and still informative. Could a person use this type of heater in a home garage workshop? I'm weighing the option of a forced air 220v electric heater vs the cost to plumb natural gas and put in a chimney. Then I saw your video and remembered our shop at work has infrared heaters albeit gas powered but they work nice.
This is by far my favourite video of Mehdi. It's amazingly well made. I would love for him to make more videos like this comparing consumer stuffs. And forget the heaters, I want that profiling tool from 02:07
I love how you gave the both a fair test! You could literally do your own show on just comparing items and I'd never miss an episode! Love your videos!
Never thought about buying one, and doubt they're avaliable in my country, but I watched all of this video because it was soooooo good. I feel like alot of reviewers of stuff don't even put in 20% of the effort that this took
I believe it's important as well to test and map the difference between the infratech with/without the guard as well since you did this analysis point for the Bromic and see how they compare exposed as well as with their default guards.
Infratech did not claim that their guard was magic and does not block IR. It was a test to invalidate false claims by the manufacturer. Not needed for the comparison IMO.
Let's see some engineering! It was perfect timing as I needed an inspiration to see how I should compare performances. You did simple but creative ideas! That was an answer 😃 Nice neighborhood to live BTW 😍
@5:47 - 'I find the Infratech grill more sexy' (Paraphrased) - Agreed! that Grill looks alot more 'sexy' to my eyes, aswell. ;) Luv ur vidz ElectroBOOM!
Holy crap I'm always impressed by Electroboom but this was such a high quality test! Learned a lot, laughed a lot, and couldn't be more impressed with the thought process! Great video!
It would have been interesting to see a direct comparison of both heaters without the grid installed. With the (almost) identical shape of the reflectors and the known power consumption it would have made a nice verification, accounting for measurement errors.
I wonder if a long glass fresnel lens would work (which deflects but lets infrared waves through). This lens tupe can also be obtained by placing reflectors in line at different angles, like a mirrored grid. This would have the same role as the grid but would flatten the temperature curve to make the place warmer at the edges and keep the infrared waves out in the middle. On a table, for example, you are rarely in the middle. Sorry for translation, i'm french.
i was wondering about that. when that part came up it made think of those various science videos where people should shine lights through different size and shape holes and get different kinds of patterns and even spread depending on shape, size and distance from the source.
Usually it's "GIMME DA METER", today it's "GIMME DA HEATER"! No, I'm joking, I don't need the heaters. Pretty interesting comparison though, the idea of putting tape as measuring spots and the all test setup is brilliant!
Great video as always. The first thing that comes to my mind however is the cost to run a 6000w heater for any length of time. Where I live 6 kwh per hour would be over a dollar per hour. Not a lot for occasional use I guess, but it would add up quick if used a lot.
Here in North Norway electricity cost 1/100 of that, but you only need to move 1000km farther south to get 100 times higher prices thanks to your corrupt bandits of politicians selling all our electricity to Germany.
These aren't something I'd need where I live in Texas, but as usual, the video was very informative, and having a fair and thorough comparison despite payments from one side lends more merit to any endorsement.
We need to have "Certified by Mehdi", that will be the only needed certification and most practical one 😎
Great comparison!
Oof
Nice saying, but you need to know that the certifications comes by test with standard method not by just experimenting ;). However, I really believe that mehdi can come with his own standard test method if he wanted to :)
You got the wrong person, this is obviously Medhi not Mehdi. The addressed package confirms it.
@@Tinil0 haha 😄
Mehdified*
"If there is a way, electricity will find it."
Golden words.
Yes
And Will Damage Or
KILL YOU!
Ants too.
@@ClaudioBrogliato hehe
Yes I thought so
You forget that he is an excellent engineer from the usual videos. The testing was on point, and data presentation was really understandable, and made rhe comparison more alive.
Gotta love the “lifetime warrantee” that ends after 7 years
1 year warranty on the parts that matter.....
Yup cause a humans lifetime is only 7 years
Thats heading towards the concept of "Lifetime fluid" in cars that used CVT transmissions. Lifetime just meant the trans fluid lasted as long as the transmission. When one was dead so was the other.
@@andrewd1455 I dunno about that, I think heating elements matter just as much in that instance. The rest is just the structural metal bits, where I'd imagine a failure would likely occur extremely early if at all; the reflector and the insulation where about the only thing that could go wrong would be having holes in the insulation from the get-go or the reflector literally falling off as soon as you install the thing; and then there's a bit of wires running through the device with no circuitry whatsoever, but it's just wires with one end coming out to connect to the heating element and the other to connect to the power source - the only major failure I can envision for these is insulation melting off over a long period of time, which I guess is a valid concern.
Still, the heating elements and the structural metal are probably the largest contributors to the cost, and out of these two the heating elements are much more likely to fail, especially over a period of time, I'd imagine (from the quartz having imperfections that eventually cause it to crack, to the wire wrapped around it having quality issues which might lead to uneven heat distribution)
It's a dog lifetime 😂😂😂
“it doesn’t block any radiation at all” casually breaking the laws of physics here, nice!
Also, it is black… meaning I can see that it absorbs light radiation…
yeah lol i was about to comment "if it doesnt block any radiation how come i can see it?"
I mean, it _could_ have been a material which is transparent to IR. It isn't, but it could
@@Maric18 you can see lots of things that are transparent to infrared radiation. Or I can reverse this statement. Water is a great example of something that is transparent in optical and almost completely opaque to infrared
@@thestralspirit plastic bags are opaque to visible light, but transparent to infrared.
I'm guessing their guard is made of plastic? 😅
You did a fair comparison with a lot of points and even pointed out what they were doing wrong! So awesome!
funny would it be if both are from the same company just fake names lol.
Salve Renan
@@MrRulz-oc1pv I feel like that would violate US Anti Trust laws
@@homebrew07 sadly stuff like that happens all the time. Sometimes they will put in small print but often not so much
czcams.com/video/ceh6b9fekf4/video.html
20:15 - I was worried there for a second, then I checked the link.
Haha "You think im crazy?" 😅
Lol, I also clicked on it
@@slworldcrazy? I was crazy once.
@@brightypg3d988they locked me in a room
@@brightypg3d988 They locked me in a room.
The motif/cage on the front is there to keep any large pieces from falling if the element breaks, keeping fingers away is more of a bonus. I worked in a factory years ago, and one of the tubes in a light broke one day, about 35-40 feet above us. There were no cages on the lights as per OSHA regulations- a coworker of mine happened to be hunched over working on something directly under. The intact 3/4 remainder of the broken light was vertical when it hit the lower side of his back. It went almost straight through, deep enough to puncture his liver. He recovered, and got a nice fat check after all was said and done.
Ouch. Can't imagine getting cookie-cuttered by a tube of glass down my liver, yikes
This is legendary....the way you measured, mapped, and presented the data was incredible. Very professional and always hilarious. Good stuff brother.
That seat heater!
So professional when he get shocked but your right
@@Jerseygamer880 he's the most professional at getting shocked bro lol
It was credible*. And hilarious.
@@Zandonus but i am not implying that it was easy to believe...but rather that the amount of work was awesome. So...not really a correction...
I have a feeling that Infratech knew about the Bromic Heaters document and wanted you to help them debunk them, that's why they were so confident.
At 9:47, that asterisk really sounded my asterisk detector, since one asterisk can just say "as long as package has been dropped from 3,000,000 light years."
i think there is a scenario to beat the competitor of INFRATECH.Not good mate
0:31 the LEGENDARY can MADE LAUGH, the BEST OLD TIMES
You mean rectovey
The problem then, is that they gave Mehdi a different model than the one Bromic is "comparing" to
One problem when one can chose the competition at will
Am currently doing diploma in electrical and electronics Engineering but you are one of the Engineers on youtube that always inspire me to learn and advance more especially the way you deeply analysis and experiment in a humourous way thanx you Mr. Medhi 🙂🙂
Just discovered your channel while looking for heating options for my deck. I'm in surrey, so basically same temps outside as you.
Love your content, and it's given me some thing to consider. Thanks !
Lifetime warranty*
* 1 year parts, 7 years elements
Even cats have a longer "lifetime" than that.
they send a hitman after 7 years
Maybe they have low expectations of humanity's survival. Frankly, so do I. ;-)
@@ponchorodriges8460 lmao if they put that much effort into their warranties, they’d probably have the most competent customer service in the industry (Ignoring the side effects of having to get murdered)
Reminds me of a car transmission oil that "didn't need to be changed because it lasted the lifetime of the transmission". What they didn't tell you is the expected lifetime of the transmission is 100k miles (aka warranty coverage) assuming you don't change the oil. But it'll last much much longer if you actually change the oil.
And in the buiness, that's what we call FRAUD. You can't just lie, drop an asterisk beside it, and explain that it's a lie at the bottom in fine print. You can only go so far with an asterisk like that, and that one crosses the line.
Also those reflectors had the same profile and looked pretty similar. Unless there's some material or thickness differences, I agree, nothing "magical about them". Probably made on the same assembly line, one's just cut a little longer.
Clearly they were trying to BS you about the guard on the front not blocking radiation. I hate it when tech support just lies to my face.
Yea okay - I was like "No way he's posting his home address, that's a mess waiting to happen!" But I see I was worried no reason :D
And yes, I may think you're a bit crazy Mehdi, you almost lit ur pants on fire for a seatwarmer :D It's okay tho, I love you for it
Same
He invented the hot seat.
I was 'Wait watt' when he said he will leave his adress in description
Yup he got me too!
It's not a rickroll like I was hoping, but still pretty funny.
I've honestly been watching your videos for a while. Every time I watch one I enjoy it. That's for both the informative and comedy portions! Only today have I subscribed. I wasn't sure I was ready to take the next step with you. I have commitment issues with youtube content creators. But you've earned it. Thanks for the laughs and the videos.
Love the video and all the effort and data you put forth. I was heading down the Bromic path but you have changed my mind. I have a large 20x26 porch so I'm gonna need a few Heaters. Keep it up!!
Should have measured temperature off the top of the units while they were running. If the Bromic's top was cooler for _its surface area/Watts consumed_ than the Infratech's, it would help support their claim of a more efficient reflector.
he'd have to turn the whole thing upside-down because heat from the open end rises.
@@jacobellinger8027 Shouldn't matter, which every unit had a more efficient reflector would still be cooler. Infrared doesn't heat the air.
@@jacobellinger8027 could he mount it on the vertical way.. and measure front and back?
It doesn't have a superior reflector, it's marketing lies. This is already explained and obvious from the energy draw and heat output. If you're still confused watch the video again.
Mehdi: "...I'll leave my address in the description..."
Me: Are you insane dude? *checks description* A link? Is it a rickroll? *clicks anyway because i need to know*
Oh... I should have expected that :)
Lmao I went to check too since I too was shocked that he put his address in the description. It was a good laugh.
Good. I was starting to think I was the only one who thought that would be insane. xD
It's a good thing Mehdi isn't (that) dumb.
Actually it isn't too difficult to derive his address from the videos. He shows the surroundings of his house which can easily be used to find the address.
@@hexagonist23 Technically we have the address of every single person on earth, google earth lol we can see the whole earth
Got me too. Still worth clicking though.
Mehdi, thank you so much for your videos. Even with your trolling videos, you do teach valuable lessons with electricity, and electronics that lots of people should really know! You have even helped me with starting my own electronics projects, so thank you so much! Keep making stuff.
We need more honest and scientific reviews like this. Love it!
extremely well made deep dive! ⚡
bring back the dislike button and get rid of this stupid shorts feature. this is CZcams, not tiktok.
Wait yt responded to a electro boom video 💀
You got some nerve showing your face around these parts.
Neat, I'm glad that at least someone at CZcams itself feels drawn to Electroboom.
Susan?
Gotta love that companies can just define "lifetime warranty" to be an arbitrary number of years in the fine print. I get that "lifetime" is _technically_ not a standardized unit of time, but come on. That's like the old saying "give a man a fire and he'll be warm for the night; set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life"
That seems *exactly* how they define lifetime.
Lifetime warranty is more or less like limited edition...
some define lifetime warranty as the lifetime of the product, and it only remains a product for as long as they want, after which it is no longer a product, therefore its lifetime is over. so yes, very arbitrary, and utterly meaningless
In us companies are obliged to cover warranties for up to ~4 years after that its up to the goodwill of the manufacturer
@@TrueHolarctic Happen to know based on what regulation / court case / law / etc? I'd love to have that as a reference when I call up customer service. The most popular warranty protection I'm aware of is Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act but that doesn't have any requirement for 4 years to my knowledge unless that was established in a court case somewhere?
You are amazing. You made a completely unbiased (and very thorough) report by testing the heaters yourself. And at the end you even just give them for free. Well sir thank you for existing
For temporary connections, Wago 222 or 221 you will find very handy as they won't damage the conductors and are available at 32 and 40 amps. The 222's have a testing point too.
But he won't have as many chances to make sparks and explosions. lol
WAGO connectors are what you need for testing stuff. Easy to switch between and NEC approved.
Um, sparks are this guys MO, so no
where is the fun in that though haha
Mmmm, I love WAGO beef.
@@BlokeOzzie I wish I could give you more than one like.
Connectors? You are not from around here are you?
Bro this dude always delivers remember "Hes and electrical engineer which means he can do anything"
Reminds me of that Mould effect video where he gave my personal favorite quote "this is a mechanical problem and as an electrical engineer I am overqualified to deal with it"
@Ben 🅥 Please don't spam. You just gained a dislike
@@moya9450 OH NO! A DISLIKE! WHATEVER WILL THE BOT DO?
@@Eric-zz5ij They won't do much, once they get reported enough.
@@Eric-zz5ij Probably you like Spams
I've seen many of your videos for their entertainment value, but this one with the breakdown of your testing is what got me to subscribe, cheers boss, looking forward to seeing more
What a well organized and informative video. Presented a wide variety of useful information perfectly. Keep up the great work.
This is some cold hard science in a video about heaters. Love the 3d charts. 🔥
@Don't read profile photo I won't
@Ben 🅥 no
@Don't read profile photo no Problem.
@Ben 🅥 Tank you for the Chance of giving you a dislike :)
Dafuq how is this comment posted 18hr ago but the video only 30 min ago
I wasn't expecting much from this video, technology or science-wise.. but you show that a curious mind can put on the scientific lense and look at *anything* to understand it better, more deeply, and figure out causes for things we see in the world.. awesome!
... Have you never seen Medhi at work?
U must be a new here.
Welcome.
I really enjoy videos where experts review products. It's, like, Lock Picking Lawyer's whole schtick and it's really engaging. I'd watch a lot more of this sort of content.
Absolutely enjoy all your videos. Learning and laughing at the same time!
This has to be one of Mehdi's best videos; very long, with tons of experimental data. I hope he does more like this.
And, even so, the best part isn’t even in the video itself. It’s in the link for the address
Wrong person buddy this is clearly Medhi.
@@hackerulroman yes I clicked that too out of curiosity, it's hilarious
I really appreciate the honest and accurate testing. You even go above and beyond what I would normally expect from a comparison video. Thank you
This is by far the best product comparison video I have ever seen. Great work Mehdi
I do electrical for a big restaurant in Dallas that has around 20 infratech heaters the same size as what you got and the elements last around 2 winters being used for around 12 hours a day, 4-5 months of the year. Changing these out is fairly easy but the main problem we always come across is the crimps on the end of the wires that go on the filaments burn up rather quickly and leave a good chance to short to the casing of the heater once the wire melts off
I paused the video halfway to come down here and say: I have never seen anyone work so hard on any review paid/unpaid and work so damn hard to make a fair comparison. And you mention that paid conversation as well. You have my respect, sir.
You think he's crazy?
@@AttilaTheHun333333 "Think"? 😋
@@AttilaTheHun333333 He's a bit crazy though... But not crazy enough to share his home address publicly. :D
You should check out Project Farm's channel on YT for some decent product comparisons.
@@AttilaTheHun333333 man all of you should've went along with it XD XD
Great second test without the protective grill.
What was the prices of the heaters?
If you have to ask....
Then maybe ask google :)
Yeah. As close as they were, another point of comparison is needed. And price is a good one.
They both seem to be around the $700-900 zone, depending on size etc.
@@yakovdavidovich7943 That's reasonable
@@proxyhx2075 Idk... its basically a bit of quartzglass, sheet metal and nichrome wire. This should be very easy to produce. Its not over the moon, but its not great either.
It's been a while since a last watched one of your videos and the quality jump, comparing to the good ol' ones is just atonishing.
Happy to see everything is going well
The standout for me was how incredibly similar the products were. Makes sense, though, this sort of tech is surely pretty dialed down.
It's very mature tech. We had one of these radiant type heaters with reflector when I was a kid in the 1970s.
Yeah there's very little you can do to improve these now.
Improving power factor, using material that is much smoother and free of perfections, and improving resistors is about as much as you can really do at this point.
@@Unethical.Dodgson Well there IS one element they could improve. The safety guard! With a more reflective coating and thinner profile they could keep the safety but reduce how much it absorbs/reflects infrared radiation. Honestly, that's really the only thing left you could really do. As you said, not much else to do.
Giant resistor with the parabolic mirror. Both are essentially "solved" for now so yeah, not much a company can do to get a competitive advantage, at least for performance. You would have to look at durability, customer service, quality of components (Although these are essentially identical too), and most importantly price. And I guess aesthetics, but you can't really reliably just "improve aesthetics" of your product, that's subjective.
Yeah, it's a race to make the lowest grade energy output (heat) in the most efficient way possible. Kind of a brain teaser, too, energy is dearly generated by heating water to generate steam to get momentum from a turbine in order to generate electricity, which then gets sent out only to be converted back into heat :P
But that's the way it goes.
0:30 That seat warmer video was one of the funniest video’s you made, I was crying when I watched that! 🤣🤣🤣
7:06 and this is one reason we use split phase power, both hot wires are at 120V potential to ground, but 180° out of phase so across the two, you get 240V. If you get shocked, unless you touch both hot wires (which almost never happens), you'll never get a 240V shock.
Incredible job. Very good measurements and information. Another high-quality video work 💪
By evaluating the profile at 5 feet against the floor, I think that's more useful information, since that's the profile that would affect you a few feet off the ground it it's mounted at 8 feet. Or in other words, your face would feel that pattern, which is more important than the floor.
Indeed, also the vast majority of the cross sectional area of the human body is above the waist. Most of that being the torso so that is the area of your body that. You might not feel that as directly due to the insulating layers of your clothing but it is still contributing a lot to reducing the inevitable heat loss that would still occur even through your clothing. By heating the outer parts of your clothing even if it doesn't manage to reverse the temperature gradient through the layers of your clothing it will at least reduce it. This in effect would aid your clothing in reducing the body heat lost to the environment by reducing the thermal gradient that is drawing energy away from you. End result is a non trivial fraction of the heat the air is absorbing from the outer layers of your clothing was deposited there by the heater and thus is not being drawn from your skin. Since we experience temperature in those relative terms from receptors in our skin detecting that energy gain or loss this would also make you feel warmer even if it is less noticeable given the more significant heating of any exposed skin.
"You'd have to talk to engineering on that"
This does put a smile to my face
Agreed! It's a classic dodge.
@@danoconnell1833 why should a customer service representative answer in depth questions surrounding the physics of the product when they aren't an engineer? I would love to give my customers all the answers, because I want them to be satisfied, but I'm also not gonna throw myself under the bus, by telling them the truth about something that would be better communicated by an engineer. I just fix things. The rep in the video just answers the phone and refers issues to the appropriate parties.
@@Boaty_McBoatface_ My answer doesn't apply to all reps. It's a dodge for companies that fudge the numbers in advertising.
@@Boaty_McBoatface_ You are much too young to see how much evil is packed behind such philosophies of demeaning a human into nothing more than a fucking answering machine to take you to the right department to get ripped off. It's no different than the guards at the camps directing the, "guests", where to go.
@@danoconnell1833 what i mean is little did the customer service know he's talking to an electrical engineering guy, not as an offense to those customer service.
7:35 touch enabled gloves :) LOL
When the imposter is sus!!
The only man who can make space heaters interesting for twenty minutes.
7:41 his laugh ..lol
Don’t know if either of these companies was expecting such a engineering type of comparison 😅
If this level of comparison happened in smartphone world
Lg would be still selling in millions
@@zawhernos2541 With LG gone, we will no longer have any smartphone innovation.
@@flandrble apple has that no port, no button, no hole innovation with eco friendly bs
Don't worry
We'll lose more 🙂
I didn't think I would like this, but more of these please
@@flandrble Sony is actually pretty good, so is Asus's gaming line, they're just pricy. I refuse to buy phones without headphone jacks ever again. It's so nice to have a modern too of the line phone with a good internal amp and a headphone jack.
Thank you for doing some proper analysis and showing us how to understand claims that manufacturers make. Well done both suppliers for allowing their products to suffer some impartial scrutiny. Great channel thank you for what you do.
Funnily enough when you talk so firmly with your accent it feels so natural and so good your voice randomly pops in my head whenever I'm messing with something dangerous
wow man thanks i picked up the heaters from your address. they work fine and now i totally wired them fine from watching ur prev video. Thankyou so much 👍
Sarcasm?
@@cherriberri8373 This fine person right here is just thankful to receive such a generous gift from Mehdi and all you can do is accuse them of sarcasm. Maybe you're just jealous.
As a fellow electrical enthiousiast, I approve of the applicable safety requirements during testing. I mean, it’s obvious not to touch any metal objects whatsoever during testlab scenarios. Though it should be mentioned no mechanical engineers are allowed on site.
I keep one hand behind my back...
🤣🤣🤣
Mechanical design engineers help produce everything that you can touch though. I think that it only takes an electrician to assemble.
Seems like an electrical engineer is not necessary.
I like how you were doing all the mechanical engineering and testing stuff....the right stuff rocket engineer. 😀😀😀😀
@@thomaswilliams690 I will give the electrical engineers some live here, us mechanicals couldnt do it alone, and I refuse to do lighting.
@@nloughner2015 I’ll happily fix that lighting for you. But please don’t let me assemble anything that requires more than a PZ2 screw driver. Or was it a PH2? Doesn’t matter, both work
Did like your comparisons I was looking to buy one of the heaters was sure that to get but this helps a lot thank you
I didn't expect this video to be some kind of elaborate research, but god dang it Mehdi I'm in love with your delivery; critical and scientific. You should make a scientific paper sometimes, the science community needs researcher like you!
"You think I'm Crazy?!!!"
Yes, for a short Moment I thought that....
You put far more effort into this than I expected. Well done.
I loved the in depth comparison! You should do a comparison of wago connectors vs wire nuts. I think you could definitely blow some stuff up and settle a heated debate amongst electricians.
The data presentation was amazing! And as always very educational and entertaining 👍🔌🔌🔌
It's kinda funny watching this because I live in Florida and I've already had the AC on for a few weeks now.
This video is just posted 20s ago, how can your comment be 17h ago
Patreon privileges damn
@@user-jm1rl5nu9x He is a channel member so he probably gets to see every video 24 hours before its public upload
@@user-jm1rl5nu9x unlisted for Patreons only
... weeks? I've had it on for 2 months I think.
Even it is just a comparison video, it is also entertaining. Love d content
@Ben 🅥 Finally it's beer
I wish more comparison videos were like this
Fantastic Mehdi jan! You really did a great job comparing these two heaters!
video quality has definitely improved....and data representation was so much easier to understand (even if being technical) and obviously "FAIR" (except for the fact that you were holding the whiteboard upside down).....kinda missed the explosion shock when you turned on that button though....😂😂
Great video, I learned alot as i haven't given much thought to the differences between heater designs since they are basically IR emitting resistors. Thanks for all the work you put into this video for the rest of us out there.
"You think i am crazy" only some really curious people know.
yeah that photo on the link - lol
Yeah He is crazy 🤣🤣
@Darrell Maxie Check his address in the discription.
That is well done testing! I tink this is very helpful to consumers and deserves to be more recognized
well, that was very very interesting. i think both companies would hire you for some things. you are really good at what you do man. keep it up!
Cool! At first I was skeptic about how you can be fair while being paid, but the tests and explanations seem good enough to me. Nice video as usual.
This is probably the most comprehensive comparison of any product I've ever see. Would love to have him as one of my engineering professors.
Good job on the comparison. Cheers from one Canadian to another. I wish I had had them both last week here in Calgary(Feb 2023).
I love your videos Mehdi, always entertaining and still informative. Could a person use this type of heater in a home garage workshop? I'm weighing the option of a forced air 220v electric heater vs the cost to plumb natural gas and put in a chimney. Then I saw your video and remembered our shop at work has infrared heaters albeit gas powered but they work nice.
This is by far my favourite video of Mehdi. It's amazingly well made. I would love for him to make more videos like this comparing consumer stuffs. And forget the heaters, I want that profiling tool from 02:07
Same lol
its from bravex
I love videos like this. Specially the 3D graphs at the end!
Thanks for doing all this hard work. :)
This would work fantastic in my garage work room during the winter. I am currently using an 1500 wat electric IR heater and a 12 volt diesel heater.
The 3D visualization looked like a pain to take all that data but it was really useful, thank you!
I love how you gave the both a fair test! You could literally do your own show on just comparing items and I'd never miss an episode!
Love your videos!
1:20 Nobody spares you, *Medhi*
NOBODY!!
Not even me
Wait what did medhi say😳
5:52 o_o
It's 2 Am and had years without watching one your videos. Times pass so fast. You looks great Brother
Never thought about buying one, and doubt they're avaliable in my country, but I watched all of this video because it was soooooo good. I feel like alot of reviewers of stuff don't even put in 20% of the effort that this took
I believe it's important as well to test and map the difference between the infratech with/without the guard as well since you did this analysis point for the Bromic and see how they compare exposed as well as with their default guards.
Infratech did not claim that their guard was magic and does not block IR. It was a test to invalidate false claims by the manufacturer. Not needed for the comparison IMO.
Let's see some engineering! It was perfect timing as I needed an inspiration to see how I should compare performances. You did simple but creative ideas! That was an answer 😃
Nice neighborhood to live BTW 😍
@5:47 - 'I find the Infratech grill more sexy' (Paraphrased) - Agreed! that Grill looks alot more 'sexy' to my eyes, aswell. ;) Luv ur vidz ElectroBOOM!
1:05 the hand rubs, fist pump and that little pointy finger "I warned you" is. So. Damn. Full of emotion. Can't hire an actor to do this!
Holy crap I'm always impressed by Electroboom but this was such a high quality test! Learned a lot, laughed a lot, and couldn't be more impressed with the thought process! Great video!
It would have been interesting to see a direct comparison of both heaters without the grid installed. With the (almost) identical shape of the reflectors and the known power consumption it would have made a nice verification, accounting for measurement errors.
I wonder if a long glass fresnel lens would work (which deflects but lets infrared waves through). This lens tupe can also be obtained by placing reflectors in line at different angles, like a mirrored grid.
This would have the same role as the grid but would flatten the temperature curve to make the place warmer at the edges and keep the infrared waves out in the middle. On a table, for example, you are rarely in the middle.
Sorry for translation, i'm french.
Depending on the wavelength of the light you could get very interesting results from changing the pitch and size of the holes in the heater grill
i was wondering about that. when that part came up it made think of those various science videos where people should shine lights through different size and shape holes and get different kinds of patterns and even spread depending on shape, size and distance from the source.
Usually it's "GIMME DA METER", today it's "GIMME DA HEATER"! No, I'm joking, I don't need the heaters. Pretty interesting comparison though, the idea of putting tape as measuring spots and the all test setup is brilliant!
This is the most in depth video I’ve ever seen!
I was very frustrated that I saw the end of the video coming and you didn't try without the grid. Thanks for finally trying as a final surprise.
What a well detailed analysis, as I enjoyed watching every minute in the video
Wow that profiler tool looks awesome and is pretty satisfying to look at!
Its called a profile gauge
Excellent! This is how technical reviews should be.
Great video as always. The first thing that comes to my mind however is the cost to run a 6000w heater for any length of time. Where I live 6 kwh per hour would be over a dollar per hour. Not a lot for occasional use I guess, but it would add up quick if used a lot.
Here in North Norway electricity cost 1/100 of that, but you only need to move 1000km farther south to get 100 times higher prices thanks to your corrupt bandits of politicians selling all our electricity to Germany.
meanwhile power price in germany is at least 40 to 60 cent per kwh. and they are working on increasing the prices eveb more
These aren't something I'd need where I live in Texas, but as usual, the video was very informative, and having a fair and thorough comparison despite payments from one side lends more merit to any endorsement.
ice storm?
06:52 Mehdi you definitely need to get some WAGO 221 connectors 😂
Almost like they were created just for this reason. (Though it would be less "BOOM" style.)
Hello medhi, can you do a video explaining if connecting a capacitor to your outlet would or wouldn’t help on the quality of energy?
Your hard work and precision shows everything you're an excellent human being sir .....
Also the Infratech grid has wider openings, so for Mehdi it is easier to stick his fingers to get the pain effect. Bromic is too protective.