The Dapol Deltic... The kit they believed had been lost forever
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- čas přidán 5. 05. 2024
- In this the first episode of a five part series looking at and building the Dapol OO gauge static model of the legendary Deltic locomotive , we'll be take a look at the kit itself along with a brief look at some of the history behind the information on the packaging.
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The kit itself wasn’t initially designed to be a static kit, Rosebud Kitmaster’s kits (the basis for these Dapol kits, dating back to 1959-62) were designed to be free rolling, they produced countless locomotive kits with the intent they’d roll freely, for the modeller to run with another powered unit, be it a double header or a specialised motor unit to be fitted to their BR MK1 kit, or a special meat van body, I own the latter which I run with their L&YR Pug model, certainly an interesting concept, but with the quality drop under Dapol’s ownership (due to degradation of the tooling and the use of softer plastic) it’s rather hard to achieve this, a concept I’d like to see make a return given the cost of railway modelling in the modern day
Interesting and it's definitely worth mentioning. I didn't know about the plastic being softer, it feels and acts fine for a static model which is the sort of lens I'm viewing it through. I don't have train sets due to lack of space and finances but I love static scale modelling and these are perfect for that. That's why I referred to it as a static model because to me that's what if feels and I think it'd be nice to get more static scale modellers into trains.
@@BVPcreates it’s certainly a good way to get into kitbuilding, and I’ve even seen plenty of good motorisations done on the kits (I’ve even done a few myself), not to mention the original versions of the kits had motorisation options made by an external company, one of the main issues I see and hear about the kits now is the warping issues certain parts have, like I said, degradation of the toolings from constant use over the past 60 odd years has been a major part, the Deltic may not have that issue as it didn’t see use throughout the Airfix era of the kits, and thus hasn’t degraded anywhere near as much as, say, the 9F, BoB, Prairie, etc
@@Hacksworth_Sidings I'll keep an eye out for that as I've been given a mogul, BOB and a 9f in both airfix and dapol, so I'll havr to remember to do a side by side.
So why are the wheels plastic? And can you replace the wheels with brass bearings and metal wheels ?
@@georgethomas7814 they were designed effectively as rolling stock, but motor kits by external company Perfecta included custom wheel tyres, designed to be a press fit on the plastic wheels, solving the issue of power pickup
Replacing the supplied wheels with brass bearings and metal wheels is something I’m fettling with myself…
I took the chance with one of these & made just the body. It fitted very well over a Lima/Hornby Railroad Deltic chassis and mine runs like a dream.
Fantastic 🙂 I bet it looks awesome going around your set up 🙂
I had one of the original Kitmaster Deltics, back in the 60s. It looked good and ran freely. The whole range of models were good, so well done Dapol for re-issuing them.
Did Airfix sell the Deltic - I dont recall them only Kitmaster
@@highpath4776 My railway modelling was suspended in the late 60s and throughout the 70s due to college and employment so I wouldn't have noticed if Airfix had produced them.
Mine was definitely Kitmaster. I also had the diesel shunter and Schools class.
I wasn't aware they thought they'd lost the Deltic forever. However I know that at one time they thought they'd lost the JCB/Lowmac kit. Back in the 90s, there was a major fire at the Dapol factories and offices at Winsford. After the fire there was no sign of the tooling for the kit and it was assumed that it had been lost in the fire - until Dapol sent the tooling for one of the other kits away to be repaired and the repairer told them "By the way, we've got one of your other tools here - do you want it back?" - whilst the tooling had not been lost in the fire, the records saying they had sent it away for repair had!
Interesting, the toolings themselves have had a hell of journey aswell haven't they 🙂
Excellent to see still available. I have two my dad made circa 1966, he motorized both with Triang bogies, had many hours of use in my younger/ teenage days. They still work, had to remagnitise the field magnets to bring them back to life, works great on radius 1 curves too. I will eventually convert to DCC!
Thank you sir. I rarely love a diesel but it is a Deltic! Say no more. Best wishes and appreciation for your efforts. P.S. Thank God for miracles - a rescued tooling. So small but so appreciated. P. P. S. I am now a subscriber. I am sure I will enjoy your future efforts.
My pleasure and thank you for taking the time to comment 🙂
I have built this kit and a few others.Been to Dapol as well and bought a loco and some wagons.
Nice 🙂 You lucky thing, I bet it was really interesting going around there. I've got a couple if the steam locos.
Needs some kitmaster mk1 coaches to go with it.
I made a whole train to go with the Kitmaster deltic (which was powered by an old triang-hornby class 37 bogie) all suitably weighted down with old lead flashing from recently demolished slum clearance houses.
Ah...the good ol' days lol.
Nice topic and fun to see that Dapol revived these kits. About the issues stated around 3:10, it is probably not wrong to add that H0 is also by far the most dominant model railway scale, not only in North America, but in the remaining parts of Europe... both on the continent and in Scandinavia. In Australia as well, there are many avid model railway aficionados that run H0 scale models, but of course there are also those there who are fans of 00 scale. If one look to Europe in general, it is pretty much only in the UK and Ireland that 00 scale is common. Then there are anomalies also within Europe... the Irish run broad gauge in 00 scale, while the Finns, Portuguese, Spaniards, and the Baltic countries run different kind of broad gauges in H0... even though most of the scale models (regardless of real-life width between rails) are adapted to tracks with 16.5 mm gauge.
Furthermore, as someone explained earlier, the general reason for the creation of 00 scale is due to the smaller British loading gauge. In the remainder of Europe, and in North America, modelling in H0 scale was not an issue. Similarly, within the model railway community (primarily) one speaks of scale and gauge as one and the same concept, while e.g. model car collectors usually only mention the actual numeric scale like 1:43. 1:64, 1:87 and so on and so forth. For the model railways, this gets a little incomprehensible sometimes, e.g. when narrow gauge comes into question, but one normally understand what applies given the context. Yet another amusing factoid is that in Europe in general the scales are originally derived from 1 scale (which was the smallest of the scales standardized by the German firm Gebrüder Bing around 1890) and then came 0 scale (in most of Europe it’s called nil, null, noll, nula etc.) which in the UK is 1:43.5, in the rest of Europe 1:45 and in North America 1:48. When H0 (or half nil) followed, it was derived from the British 0 scale.
Scales and gauges within the model railway world are otherwise a jungle, which become evident if one look at some other anomalies. E.g. Japanese H0 scale is 1:80, British N scale is 1:148 while the same scale in the rest of Europe and North America is 1:160 and in Japan it’s 1:150… but as a Swedish saying goes - why do something the easy way when it can be done by more difficult means instead… 🙃
Thanks for sharing this comment it's really interesting 🙂 I am aiming these videos more at plastic scale modellers who have till now avoided trains and don't know how interesting they can be. Hence why I'm keep it all as simple as possible (just enough to create curiosity as it were) but I think in the next one of these I'm going to make a point of telling people to check out the comments section because the info you guys have put into the comments over the last few days has been fantastic and is way more than I could fit into a ten to eleven minute video.
Oh and Absolutely, where would the fun be it everyrhing was simple lol.
@@BVPcreates Take a look at the buildings too, I could never get the paint work right. Making opening doors by using sellotape was a trick too !
@@highpath4776 I think I've got a signal box somewhere, I might try painting that instead of using the stickers one day.
Dapol should be congratulated for producing this range of kits! I have found them to be a great source of parts for scratch building the more obscure locomotive prototypes and quite a few of the locos running on my layout can trace their componants back to Kitmaster/Airfoix/Dapol kits.
Absolutely, I think they're great kits. Yes they may not be the most accurate but as a plastic modeller I find they're a lot of fun to make. 🙂
The other "lost" kit was the JCB which was at a toolmaker and turned up unexpectedly. The kit is the prototype Deltic which differs from the production version, especially the bodyside strakes. It is briefly shown that the glazing is not included but South East Finecast (?) did a moulding which can be found occasionally on ebay as old stock. When Dapol were at Llangollen (with their Dr Who Experience) you used to able to walk round the moulding shop seeing these kits being produced. The wagons used to have Dublo type couplings which were no use with Triang tension lock, etc. Kitmaster also produced a TT range but IIRC the mould tools were left to go rusty/unusable and were scrapped before Dapol appeared on the scene.
I didn't realise the JCB was a lost kit, I have one of them aswell 🙂
If only they knew TT is returning. Mk1 also produced in TT by Dapol .Was Blue Pullman ever produced in TT? 00 Maroon LMS still very rare kit.All great scale models
@@johnbristow5665 TT never really went away - good support by 3mm Society but no RTR. Problem is TT120 is smaller scale. Not aware of Blue Pullman in TT, only Royal Scot and coaches. Kitmaster made some great kits but the choice of later models didn't make a lot of commercial sense.
Well apart from the colour film of Deltic. I really did not get anything out of this video.... I did make one of these Deltic kits some years ago, but sadly it got broken! It was difficult to make it fit together, and the flush glaze windows were rubbish. I was glad when I managed to get the RTR one from Bachmann!
Ha ha! I love the Hi Gary moment at 1:29!
lol glad you like it bud
Hello there I have built a few of these dapol kitmaster kits with care they make a nice model happy modeling everyone
What a lovely comment 🙂 They are lovely little kits aren't they and thank you for such a positive end to your comment it really made me smile 🙂
Hello again you might find this of interest there is a great book about these old kits it's Title is "let's stick a little bit more " publisher is irwell press and the author is Steve Knight 😀
The four wheel wagons were 2/- (10p). I cannot recall what the larger ones were, some maybe 7/6. Back in the early 1970s I compromised on 18mm gauge EM...not exactly Protofour but near enough for me.
I didn't realise Dapol had reintroduced the old Kitmaster brand. Talk about memory lane. I have a 4mm station diorama in the spare room. At present it's got an Airfix/Kitmaster City of Truro, plus two of their Southern Schools and a Pug. In addition there are a couple of old K's white metal coaches - an LBSC brake and a 6 wheel GW siphon - plus some revamped classic Triang clerestories. Meanwhile packed away I've got a set of Kitmaster BR coaches, a set of Peco 'wonderful wagons' plus assorted Hornby Dublo carriages and wagons none of which I ever had as a kid. Old items can run happily alongside newer stock especially if you tweak them a bit. And they can be picked up for bargain prices because people mistakenly think of them as junk and they're not!
Nice 🙂 I've got a couple of BOB class, a schools class, a mogul and one or two rolling stock to make from the dapol range and the airfix tank engine, evening star and a carriage to make but I'm having to do them all as static models. It is amazing what you can find online isnt it.
@@BVPcreates I think you might be confusing "Static" with "unpowered". With care most of the wheels and motion work when assembled as long as not glued in place (which is what I did in error to "Rocket"
@@highpath4776 yes and no because I was looking at it as a static model because that's what I'll be using it as and because of that I forgot to mention that it's actually designed to be an unpowered model.
Very easy to fit to a Lima Deltic chassis.
You missed highlighting the most important part of the description card.
The "MADE IN ENGLAND"!!!! 🏴
Reminding us of happy days, when we actually made stuff! 😢
Cheers.
Well this is the thing... It wasn't made in England, it was made in Wales.
@BVPcreates Ouch! 😂 Thanks for the clarification.
@@GaryNumeroUno lol
I’m incredibly weird and still have the paper note that came with the kit explaining how the mould was ‘destroyed’ pinned to a notice board. It’s a fun reminder to me that there is no specific way to build a kit, it’s all up to the maker and how they want to do it.
Exactly and it's really important to remember that because it can be really easy for people to get put off and demoralised or even give up the hobby if people are criticising a modellers work for not meeting their standerds even though the modeller has done their best and made it how they wanted to.
Scale modelling especially plastic modelling is all about having fun, relaxing and being creative. The way I see it is, if the modeller hasn't asked for critique and they're happy with it then who am I to tell them otherwise.
By the way your not weird, I cut out my favourite box arts and use them to decorate my stash cupboard etc.
The various dapol kit wagons are quite serviceable as moving models, they come with metal wheels. The only thing needed is couplings (the "horn hooks" they come with are basically useless), but that is no bother if like me you were going to replace the Hornby/Bachmann couplings anyway. I have a number of the 16 ton mineral, 20 ton oil tank, cement, cattle and brake vans. Not as good as the Parkside kits, but they can look decent when well painted and weathered, and they run quite well.
Nice 🙂 I quite like the kits, I don't have a train layout as I mostly do armour and ww1 static models, so I'm just going to do mine as static models but I'm looking forward to experimenting with them. and maybe making diorama for them.
@@BVPcreates There were also white metal kits . but split underframes in metal (split for a bit of paxolin board to insulate them for two rail running) , were also avalible for the plastic truck bodies to fit on (or you used to make your own wooden and brass strip bodies - old cigar boxes were good for parts )
American OO scale had a wider gauge track, about three-quarters of an inch. American OO scale had its biggest following in the late 1930s - early 1940s but was around in the late 1940s - early 1950s. Lionel first made OO scale trains in 1938 with a 3rd rail in the center of the track, like 3 rail O gauge. Lionel later made 2 rail OO scale trains. There were also OO scale trains with an outside 3rd rail. Leonard Williams has You Tube videos of old trains in various scales & gauges. Leonard has a train table with an HO gauge track running next to an American OO gauge track and you can note the differences in the gauge and scale of the trains.
Interesting, I wonder why they're wider when the standard railway gauge is the same as the UK. I'll definitely have to look up that channel because it sounds lile an interesting topic. Thanl you for recommending it 🙂
The BTF video is also interesting. Now this is where I might get sidetracked! Was this grandnational Day? Loads of Excursion coaches but interestingly there was a Horsebox at the end of the passing service.....Now production real Deltics where named after Race Horses. Now say if Meld was in the box do we have 2 Deltics in that shot? Just a Thought!
Oooo now there's an interesting question 🤔 quite possibly 🙂 Great observation, fair play to you sir 🫡
I notice the snips managed to land a bite on your finger. They are very aggressive things, aren't they. Always biting when they get the chance, just like brambles, stinging nettles and Triffids. And roses. And holly. And Chihuahuas.
haha that was my scalpel, I was skimming some sprue point off another kit and the scalpel slipped and sliced my finger open lol.
@@BVPcreates Gosh, they are just as evil. They are always ready to slice through to the bone. They give no mercy at any time. They are evil personified. As are scissors, spring clamps, G-clamps always try to be dropped right onto the foot. Paint pots love to fall over just as you take the overalls or apron off.
Model making is a life-threatening hobby, and we wouldn't have it any other way. To sit at an exhibition, hands covered in bandages and plasters, limbs in slings, crutches to one side, but what a sense of achievement?
I had the Esso tank wagon - which could be used on a layout. And regret not picking up the BR mogul kit I saw at a flea market two years ago. (And I also regret not buying the pristine, with all its accessories and carrying case Bolex movie camera for peanuts from the same market!)
They have the Mogul one on Amazon for around the same price 🙂 The tank wagon is a fun little build isnt it 🙂 unfortunately I did mine well before I decided to do youtube.
If you're in South Oxfordshire, we've got one of the moguls (1990s Dapol issue) in the shop at Wallingford station (open Tuesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays and some Sundays).
Are you looking for Airfix , Kitmaster or Dapol ones ? I might be disposing of some of my part built ones on facebook at some time (like when I find the room they are in)
Hello again you might find this of interest there is a great book about these old kits it's Title is "let's stick a little bit more "publisher is irwell press and the author is Steve Knight take a look 👍 😀
Awesome, thanks for that I'll definitely try and find that 🙂
I built one of these and mounted it on a lima deltic chassis runs well.
Nice 🙂
Thats the sort of thing I wanted to hear thank you for sharing.
Great presentation..... A few things I would like to know. As the model is described as HO/OO which is it? In your opinion could the kit be used to represent othe Deltic Models? The reason I ask is that you show a shed with several Deltic Locomotives near the end. I would like to model attach a shed with "new" Deltic Locomotives in various stages of repainting. And this might work if this much cheaper option was still avaliable in scale.
Thank you that's very kind of you 🙂 The model is 28 cm long and the real thing is 21.18 meteres so it's OO or 1:76.2 scale.
As for the conversion, the front end of the real world "production" Deltics/ class 55's were a lot squarer and didn't have the port hole on the front because that was only put there because they hoped that other countries would want to buy them and some countries required locomotives to have a large central headlight. However it wasn't needed in the UK so they didn't include them. They also didnt have the 'whiskers' on the front. So whilst it wouldn't be impossible to convert them, it would require either sculpting, scratch building or 3d printing a new nose which wouldnt be impossible to do as there notihing between the drivers console and the front. So you could make something thats the correct size and shape and glue it in place even if it was a block of styrene or something. You may be able to find some after markets for it who knows, but either way your right it's be a damn site cheaper and probably a ehole lot more satisfying.
You can (or I did) buy a used Lima Deltic for as little as £30 nowadays, so modelling the traction depot wouldn't be too expensive, and with a spare Lima bogie you could even power the DP2.
i hope the build is the old standard not how they build stuff today!
In all my five decades of doing model trains and reading about model trains in Britain, this is the first time this American has heard Dapol pronounced. With our English language offering absolutely nothing in its written form which tells what to do with vowel sounds, and that I was raised in the US southeast, I had imagined Dapol pronounced like 'day-pole'. If there were kits like this for US locomotives I might build a few. Would definitely want crew figures for the cab.
Interestingly they aren't even in England they're not far from me in Wales. As a general rule with UK English we don't tend to pronounce letters as uppercase when they're part of a word. There are a few exceptions as with anything but for the most part we don't speak in upper case.
I'm surprised more train companies don't make them to be honest, especially the bigger companies as it would really open up the market to new demographics I think.
@@BVPcreates Hey there, that phrase is mystery to me, "pronounce letters as uppercase" because I know the words uppercase and lowercase only as references to the printed forms of the letters.
@@scottfw7169 hi 🙂 So in UK English we pronounce upper and lower case letters differently so 'A' is pronounced 'ay' as in hay and 'a' is 'ha'. So when we're speaking we generally don't use the upper case pronunctiation unless it's a letter on it's own. So Dapol is Da-pol but if the it was "I have a dapol" it would be pronounced "eye have ay da-pol
@@BVPcreates Ahh, did not know that, as is now obvious to even the most casual observer! 😆 Although this is the age of CZcams most of my encounters with UK English have been written, either books, or a couple hobby forums, or emails with some good friends made in UK. Here in the US what region you were in could have multiple effects on how that "I have a dapol" would sound depending on what was common accent with the I, the a, and the vowels in dapol. Could even lead to replacement of "I have" with "I've got". Language is a fascinating thing but all my life my brain has refused to do it at enough of an academic level to become a linguist.
@@scottfw7169 lol you should come here to Wales, we speak two languages and have a different language and terminology every 5 miles or so lol. Your right it is fascinating. There is a really interesting video on UK accents etc on youtube, it's by the impressionist Alisatir Mcgowen and he explains and why accents are so different across the UK and in what ways.
Hello Mike, Jim from Chicago here. I subscribed to your channel when it came up in my notifications over the weekend. Unique choice of subject for your first build. One question: why a spokesman instead of youself to introduce your new channel? Anyway, look forward to following this build. Be seeing you 👋
Hiya bud, thanks for subscribing. Funnily enough I was just looking at he analytics for that welcome clip. To be honest I only put it up 24 hours ago and it was more of an experiment to see how people would react to me using Ai clips for shorts and stuff. Plus I got tired of hearing my own voice saying the same thing every time I went on my page to do something lol.
I'm thinking of either putting it back to one of my other videos or doing a proper welcome video though because people seem to prefer that I think.
is the commentary speeded up, really hard to follow (yes i know there are subtitles)
No it's not sped up 🤔
Why describe a model of the prototype Deltic as a Class 55. There were many modifications between the prototype and the 22 production examples. Sure it inspired the Class 55 but was very very different.
Because as I've already discussed on another comment it was a slip of the tongue, the class 55's were also known as deltics on account of them also having the Napier Deltic engines which is what the name derives from and because whulst there may be difference it is still the prototype of the class 55.
@@BVPcreates OK. We all fumble our words sometimes. Unlike some Youtibers you have the good grace to admit it. Good man.
@@boldford As long as people are polite and don't make a big deal out of it I'm more than happy to admit a mistake because I'm no expert on these matters and I love learning. I'm primarily making the series to encourage more plastic scale modellers to have a go at trains more than anything, which is why I'm not going into too much depth in terms of terminology and technicalities etc because I know a lot of scale modellers are put off doing trains because they know that there's a lot of model train enthusiasts that will nit pick at them over things that really don't matter to the modeller because they just want to enjoy building models. Where as it's a kind of unwritten rule in the rest of the scale modelling world that you don't rivet count and you only critique if asked to do so because it's more emportant that the modeller enjoys the build than gets it accurate.
One slight mistake in your description of the model. Deltic is not a class 55 , never has been, it was a prototype known as as DP1
Correct but the class 55's are what most people think of when they hear the name Deltic because they're also called Deltics due to them having the Deltic engine. It's something I'll make sure to clarify in the next video though because you are right this is the prototype which resulted in the class 55. Perhaps I could make part of the history segment of the next video 🤔 Also I've changed the thumbnail to avoid any confusion.
Yes you are quite right, it was actually referred to as a demonstrator and although numbered DP1 (built 1955) it never bore that, purely Deltic”. It was withdrawn in 1963 after a serious engine failure. EE’s DP2 followed in 1962 and actually bore that assigned number. I can only conclude the D stood for demonstrator. The first main line (experimental) diesels, CO- CO, numbers 10000 and 10001 were built at Derby over 1947 to 1948, you could argue they should have been more aptly/ rightly recognised as diesel prototypes DP1 and 2….. Looking at the prototype releases over 1947 to 1955 it looks like DP1 narrowly missed being given a 10204 or similar number!
@@BVPcreates my son was 31 a month back, I phoned him to ask what he did for his 31s - he told me his mates and him at a preserved railway decided to put some work in on the class 31 in the yard.
While the originals could be moved, the plastic they used for the wheels and bearings weren't up to the job.
It should be possible to replace them with metal wheels and sit the middle of the axles in brass channels, effectively not using the plastic axles boxes. It is something sometimes done in N gauge.
The loco should then be free-moving enough to be pushed by a powered carriage or goods truck [an item that Kitmaster actually sold.
Now that's interesting, would you mind if I included that in episode two because that's gping to be abput the bogies? 🙂
The explanation of the "OO/HO" label misses a key detail. Partly because of history, railways in Britain have a smaller "loading gauge" than elsewhere in the world. This defines the maximum size of locomotives and rolling stock. As you said, the early models using HO-gauge were at the limit for a working mechanism. They would have needed to be smaller to fit within the British loading gauge.
We have had a lot of changes since WW1. We have much smaller working railway models now. Even without changing the scale, we have narrow gauge models and various more accurate standards such as "EM".
But the end-point is still what a company can make, how much it costs, and how much they can sell it for.
Exactly and thank you for explaining that. I had to keep it as simple as possible because I wanted to help people who've never thought of train modelling or trains in general to understand a bit of the background and get them interested in this area of the hobby. Plus it wasn't the main focus of the video and if I'd gone into all the different gauges etc then the explination would probably be enough for a video all on it's own lol.
That being said I really appreciate you explaining all that as it gives me inspiration for more research 🙂 In fact if you would like to help me with that then I'd welcome your insight and topic knowledge 🙂
Was the idea that HO/00 track was the same distance apart and hence both physically fit it ?
The 08 kits are very hard to come by i picked one up for £12 not long ago i see them reaching £50 fairly often pre built now
wow, you got a proper bargain then by the sounds of it.
You sdd to confusion saying OO gauge is 1:76.2. The scale used by OO is indeed 1:76.2 but the gauge is 16.5 mm snd the same as HO gauge.
Gauge is a distance. Scale is a ratio.
It was a slip of the tongue, much like when you said that the scale used for OO is 1:76.2 but the gauge is 16.5mm the same as HO gauge.
Mistakes happen, no ones perfect so try not to get too hung up on it, after all scale modelling is about having fun not being linguistically perfect.
That being said I do appreciate what you've said and it is something I'll try to be more careful over in the future videos so thank you for pointing it out 🙂
I don't know about the UK but here in the US model railroaders have been using the words scale and gauge interchangeably since before I was born 60 years ago, it's just one of those quirks of human behavior/behaviour.
I model 16MM in the garden and upto only ten years ago written instructions in kits were still very common and were usually handwritten photocopies.
Exploded diagrams and photos are certainly much easier to follow.
Definitely, I've got an accurate armour kit and that's the one thing thats making nervous about doing it, the fact they just use written instructions with photos of the completed model and some arrows pointing to different parts.
@@BVPcreates Just read through it all a couple of times and go for it, double check before each cut it’ll come out fine.
The coach kits I used to build came as bags of uncut strip wood, if you where lucky you got some very roughly routed sheets for the coach walls so you didn’t have to build it up entirely from cut strip like a true miniture woodworker while following a photocopy of some instructions written in pencil 25 years ago and photocopied to oblivion.
Most of the time my coaches came out looking good but usually rolled wonky.
These kits where usually cottage industry, bashed out by a retired bloke in his shed more as a hobby than business most of them.
@@SteamTrainsNStuff wow that like a really interesting way of doing it, I wonder if any of those old kits are about because I've got an Airfix/ kitmaster coach to make and it'd be nice to try two different methods.
@@BVPcreates some of the older wooden kits are still being made but are now produced with laser cutters so the pieces are precisely precut and you just glue them together, no cutting or measuring at most you'll need to sand here and there.
Brandbright coach's are nice, I have a rake made from 1980s kit and they are still being sold.
@@SteamTrainsNStuff Nice I'll have to have a look at them, thank you 🙂
There could still be a market for kit built rolling stock... Sad model railway manufacturers don't invest in kits anymore.
I think people would if they advertised them more and as you said invested in them more in terms of moulds and packaging because they are nice little kits to build.
Peco very recently invested in buying up the parkside dundas range and improving it. There's cambrian who do a range of rolling stock, the ratio range which has rolling stock, slaters also used to make OO scale stuff. There's the extensive range of Ian Kirk carriage kits in plastic as well
Parkside and slaters and Ian kirk have O scale plastic kits on offer as well.
It's far from a dead part of the industry, definitely could be a bit better advertised but its there.
Over here in Australia there's steam era models who do a range of plastic kits for the railways in the state of victoria and some other companies that do new south wales rolling stock as plastic kits in HO scale as well
@@trainskitsetc I'm glad to hear it and that's part of why I decided to do the videos the way I have, it's very easy to get overwhelmed with information when it comes to trains and train models & it can put a lot of people off especially if videos or people start bombarding them with corrections and information when all they want do is find a model of a train and have a go at building it and they're not bothered about all the technicalities.
Hopefully by doing it this way it will ecourage more new people to have a go at making train models which will help the hobby to grow.
@@BVPcreates definately a good plan. I started with plastic stuff then ended up in the more niche whitemetal and brass side of things which is another huge and largely underpromoted side of the hobby.
@@trainskitsetc exactly. It's like before I started scale modelling with models for heroes I would never have imagined I would have my own youtube channel and a stash of kits of vehicles, boats, planes and trains. Often all it takes is for someone to say remember it's ok, don't worry about the detail etc just get a cheap kit and do what makes you happy with it. Before long they find a genre they love and they grow in that genre. At the end of the day the hobby is about having fun and escaping from the world in a healthy way for a while.
Interesting review, however, your use of F off in the video really degrades the presentation. Your ability to communicate more effectively will improve by avoiding the use of profanity . Like it or not we set an example for those around us especially young adults and children. I realize during a time of stress we may let one slip, however always remember who your audience is. A bit of advice from a fellow vet.
I didn't realise I had to be honest, do you have a time stamp or approximate part of the video for it so I can see if I can bleep it out because like you said it was probably a slip of the tongue as I certainly didnt intend to swear or even realise I had.
It's written into the "cartoon" figures about 1:31 in. Not exactly a slip of the tongue 😝
@@superted6960 ohhhhh that. The way they wrote the comment I thought I'd said it without realising lol. No, the cartoon one was nothing to do with a lack of ability to communicate effectively or a lack of vocabulary. It was deliberatly put in there as an inside joke between myself and my friends in the veterans scale modelling group I'm in. So yeah I'm not bothered about that as it's a one off and I made a conscious choice to put it in there. 🙂