1. Introduction to 'The Society of Mind'

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  • MIT 6.868J The Society of Mind, Fall 2011
    View the complete course: ocw.mit.edu/6-868JF11
    Instructor: Marvin Minsky
    In this lecture, students discuss the introduction to The Emotion Machine, expectations and overview of the class, and general understanding of emotions, consciousness, and intelligence.
    License: Creative Commons BY-NC-SA
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  • @annavonblack
    @annavonblack Před 9 lety +801

    It always makes me sad that these MIT lectures don't have millions of views.
    Thanks for posting MIT, you guys rock.

    • @plower221
      @plower221 Před 8 lety +25

      +Steve Bergman watching it at 1.5 speed makes it much nicer to watch!

    • @annavonblack
      @annavonblack Před 8 lety +2

      +Steve Bergman That's so harsh! I had worse at uni and I still managed to pay attention :P
      Thanks for the book suggestion. Who do you suggest I pick as my mental narrator?

    • @luciochagas3458
      @luciochagas3458 Před 6 lety +7

      You're essentially advocating jumping from watching a video (arguably an activity that is easier and wider-reaching) to reading a book, which is a 'doable' pastime in only but some cultures on Earth, not counting notable exceptions to each rule. So, all in all, I am actually glad, not sad. I am glad this video exists. Even more glad because the book preceded it, and glad because time will 'fix' everything due, being sad is counterproductive in regards to this. Call me overly progressive, but not any more than nature will progress over its own agenda. Now, let's just sit around a round table for a bit and think about how does modern attention spans will deal with a 2-hour stretch of old-man's parlance. Yeah. Alright. There we go.

    • @rahulsircar8766
      @rahulsircar8766 Před 5 lety +4

      Catchy things get the most attention. Not the right and productive things. Harsh fact of life

    • @hassanmirza2392
      @hassanmirza2392 Před 4 lety +14

      MIT Lectures are not for mainstream.

  • @LindsayPuggleGirl
    @LindsayPuggleGirl Před 3 lety +205

    RIP Marvin, thank you for blessing us with these lectures !

  • @uyghurcrypto
    @uyghurcrypto Před rokem +32

    I went to Wikipedia by his name and read a 15 plus page research on telepresence in the year 1980, the year I was born, and I was astonished to know how brilliant and sharp mind and forward thinking he pioneered. My all respect to him in his field. The article I read was one of many and I choose that because it corresponded to my year of coming alive. RIP.

  • @t6hp
    @t6hp Před 2 lety +172

    What a brilliant mind. I'm so lucky and grateful for everyone who made the internet possible and accessible for me to watch these great lectures thousands of miles away from the comfort of my bed in Egypt. What a great miracle! Thank you, MIT and USA.

  • @usmcvet143
    @usmcvet143 Před rokem +14

    I started watching this while taking a bath and contemplating why I decided earning a doctoral degree was a good thing…..now I’m suddenly invested in this entire series and I will have to watch it all 🤦🏼‍♀️❤️❤️

  • @Xestra37490
    @Xestra37490 Před rokem +27

    🙏🏼 MIT for making it possible that all of us could attend otherwise wasn’t possible.
    Greatly appreciated !

    • @dhangejr
      @dhangejr Před 11 měsíci

      they trying to brainwash you!

  • @GrahamBessellieu
    @GrahamBessellieu Před 5 lety +296

    0:47 ~ “Society of Mind” vs “Emotion Machine”
    7:33 ~ Influences
    23:20 ~ How to achieve A.I.?
    32:57 ~ A.I. Specialties
    45:55 ~ Popular Research Methods
    1:03:13 ~ Computers & Common Sense
    1:11:10 ~ Student Theories
    1:24:34 ~ What is a K-line?
    1:47:17 ~ Mind-body problem

    • @203066111
      @203066111 Před 3 lety +2

      thanks bro!

    • @jayeisenhardt1337
      @jayeisenhardt1337 Před 2 lety +1

      @@life42theuniverse That conversation ends at around 18:00 ?
      15:48 "In most cultures it might be religion. Which is a sorta science that doesn't use evidence." Small beginnings around the world as religion snuffed out by killing people looking for evidence, he says. Makes ya wonder how Europe with seemingly a mostly related religion and sects had that idea of, 'There is one God. To understand the world is to understand God.' If everyone worships him then it seems it would be easier to join in on that endeavor.
      Was science getting more refined there than elsewhere because of that? Also religious scholars and noble mathematicians and other well to do rich people seeing learning as a status symbol. War and the arts always seem to hold such status but were learned men as commonly accepted elsewhere? Or is all of that refinement of science simply due to 'the classics' they had learned? Where there was discussion, debate and experimentation. The testing of ideals.
      Just random thoughts and questions on the internet.

    • @life42theuniverse
      @life42theuniverse Před 2 lety +1

      @xTop 187 Time changes things, but you actually have to change them yourself.

    • @hotelrusty8337
      @hotelrusty8337 Před 2 lety

      @@life42theuniverse
      wtwzs

    • @frankmathews1358
      @frankmathews1358 Před rokem +1

      Thank you.

  • @micheledeidda2565
    @micheledeidda2565 Před 3 lety +75

    never went to uni, and as a grown up with family and thanks to god a stable and good job i burn inside and with 40 i would love to learn, study to go to lectures and enjoy the sheer joy that only knowledge can give you.

    • @izebellebluereadsoutloud3715
      @izebellebluereadsoutloud3715 Před 2 lety +4

      Many colleges & universities will let you “audit” a class for free, i.e. just sit in back & listen, take notes for yourself. There’s also lots of continuing/open higher education classes online now, with guest professors from everywhere, maybe it’s called Great Classes, I forget. Neal Degrasse Tyson had a class recently through this platform I can’t remember the name of.

    • @imranq9241
      @imranq9241 Před 2 lety +1

      Why not enroll somewhere ? Plenty of great schools out there

    • @Skunkhunt_42
      @Skunkhunt_42 Před 2 lety +2

      You're here, go to the mit openware website find your courses, download syllabus and tests. Libgen site for your books, plan your pace with the syllabus/calendar that fits your workflow. Have someone check your tests with the key which is also provided on openware page

    • @unitedstatesdale
      @unitedstatesdale Před 2 lety +1

      @@izebellebluereadsoutloud3715 Thanks , Ive been going to a few college lectures. They are probably wondering if I am a administrator.

  • @mattgraves3709
    @mattgraves3709 Před 2 lety +86

    I am very grateful to have the ability to watch a complete Marvin Minsky series.
    Thank you so much Marvin, I hope you are in some heaven or some interesting afterlife or rebirth.
    Thank you MIT for making these lectures available for free.
    What an amazing world.

    • @tear728
      @tear728 Před 2 lety +3

      I'm sure he and Jefferery Epstein are living it up on an island in heaven 🏝

    • @BBMoney007
      @BBMoney007 Před 2 lety

      @@tear728 you would know Jeffrey

    • @x0cx102
      @x0cx102 Před 2 lety +1

      @@tear728 why what did minsky do

  • @coltonmccoy8194
    @coltonmccoy8194 Před 7 lety +130

    I'm glad Minsky was an Alcor member and is safely in a freezer now. If you are reading these comments in 30 years, give me a thumbs up Marv.

  • @user-ig6sc7sg8x
    @user-ig6sc7sg8x Před 8 lety +36

    It is very interesting to see that Minsky often moves his bottle of water on the desk.

  • @r7ndom
    @r7ndom Před 2 lety +87

    I'm almost done with this course series - I absolutely love it. Thanks so much for posting it. It makes me wish I had spent far more time on my classes when I was in school and had aspired to attend a great university. With this said, being able to watch it without worrying about coursework is also awesome so I can't complain.

  • @laurayuan7035
    @laurayuan7035 Před 6 lety +38

    It's amazing to know that there is a course like this.

  • @pragmatictrespasser5274
    @pragmatictrespasser5274 Před 5 lety +94

    Just wanna add Indian scholar Patanjali had an elaborate theory of mind. Although I agree that Eastern philosphers didn't experiment their ideas, but they were great at observation. Most of the eastern ideas come from deep observations of the world.

    • @BiancaAguglia
      @BiancaAguglia Před 4 lety +16

      Have you thought about taking eastern theories you think deserve to be well known and about creating experiments for them? Somebody like you understands well why these theories could be valuable and also why they need to be tested before more people pay attention to them. We can look at ancestors who didn't have the tools or knowledge we have today and continue their efforts. An example of teamwork across ages. 😊

    • @pragmatictrespasser5274
      @pragmatictrespasser5274 Před 4 lety +3

      @@BiancaAguglia Yes you are right. Actually when we look at building something we look at a bottom up approach. And for creating an experiment we first need some abstraction or language or a space where we can apply rigour and logic. The ideas I am talking about are very high level, kind of a top view observation. Maybe someday when we have better understanding of bottom level we would be able to understand why some effects were observed at higher level.
      The cause is the key to AI but clear observations of it's effect can be studied with the works like such of Patanjali as I have mentioned.
      Something happens in brain and someone observes it minutely that is what I mentioned. But why it happens breaking it down to level of binary and logical memory that is the insurmountable challenge for humans

    • @pragmatictrespasser5274
      @pragmatictrespasser5274 Před 3 lety +15

      @@williamhaddoc Yes you are right. Actually, the issue is the texts that we find today contain sutras but not the path how the scholars arrived at those conclusions. So issue is more that if there were experiments through which these sutras were arrived at then either they were not logged in texts or not copied afterwards once conclusions were reached. We do not find any experiments logged in ancient texts, just the sutras that were arrived at. So it feels mysterious. Actually this mystery is very significant. You try to look at vedic maths. It does addition and multiplication and stuff like that but in a different manner. It enables one to perform large calculations mentally. Now, I respect professor Minsky a lot but he says eastern people did not much after arithmatic. Well, the important thing is that even something as basic as arithmatic was done differently. If you are a true philosopher you would love a new way of looking at the same things. Why science was done differently? Why do the conclusions differ for example in field of nutrition? How did people used to think in ancient times? What were thought patterns in those scientific communities?
      The thing is all this thought is just too much effort. It is just easier for us to shrug off the ancient texts as wrong due to lacking empirical evidences to support their case. I believe, knowledge should be given its due respect no matter from where it is gained. We must not pride ourselves as an advanced civilization but always bow down to all our common ancestors in respect as they might tell us a thing or two that we did not knew. Small details encompass within them whole worlds waiting to be explored.

    • @filevo495
      @filevo495 Před 2 lety +10

      @@pragmatictrespasser5274 YES!!! I deliberately looked through the comments for this pov. I think its all too human to dismiss others' thinking that doesn't fit our narrative. we miss soooo many tricks. how ignorant to call others ignorant haha

    • @SuperBrainStorms
      @SuperBrainStorms Před 2 lety +1

      He also said that if you are not questioning old thoughts then you aren’t evolving. Don’t just stand on their shoulders, jump forward.

  • @raymondfrye5017
    @raymondfrye5017 Před 2 lety +13

    I met Prof. Minsky in Puerto Rico when Sears Roebuck sponsored his visit. The subject was Computer Science and the Future of Humanity. It was a momentous seminar as his brilliant exposition covered many themes. Genius.1975-1985.Can't recall with precision now.

    • @ERICGUTTMANN
      @ERICGUTTMANN Před 2 lety +8

      Raymond, you probably met him when my father, Endre Guttmann, brought him over to Puerto Rico. Marvin wanted to promote his book Society of Mind and my wanted to promote his new business, The Computer Institute. My father had been a student of Marvin and they kept a cordial relationship after my father graduated from MIT.
      Seeing this video and then reading your words have brought many wonderful memories.
      I wish you the very best in life and I concur, Marvin was truly a one of a kind genius. My dad had a partnership with Sears and that is how it was advertised in the papers. Let me know if any of this rings a bell and if you remember anything particularly meaningful from his talk.

  • @mohsenvand66
    @mohsenvand66 Před 10 lety +56

    From 48:48 onward, it is the most epic lecture I've ever watched.

  • @patrickhollywood93
    @patrickhollywood93 Před rokem +10

    Thank you MIT. Such a great lesson to have for free on CZcams.

  • @neuroclusterbrainmodel9122
    @neuroclusterbrainmodel9122 Před 6 lety +61

    The ideas presented in Marvin Minsky’s book “The Society of Mind” are further developed in “Neurocluster Brain Model” which analyses the processes in the brain from the point of view of the computer science.
    The brain is a massively parallel computing machine which means that different areas of the brain process the information independently from each other.
    Neurocluster Brain Model shows how independent massively parallel information processing explains the underlying mechanism of previously unexplainable phenomena such as sleepwalking, dissociative identity disorder (a.k.a. multiple personality disorder), hypnosis, etc.

    • @kevinbissinger
      @kevinbissinger Před 2 lety

      Unless you have a spectrum disorder in which case you usually lack the crosstalk between brain regions

    • @csmrfx
      @csmrfx Před 2 lety

      Sadly the model does not include the primary organs and the hormones these organs use to control the brain. As a result, this type of model will always fail.

    • @neuroclusterbrainmodel9122
      @neuroclusterbrainmodel9122 Před rokem +5

      Different researchers working in completely different areas have reached similar conclusions and have built similar prototypes of Neurocluster Brain Model.
      As for example, Marvin Minsky came to these conclusions while he was trying to create intelligent robot machines, Roger Sperry while he was experimenting with split-brain patients, Pierre Janet while he was experimenting with hypnosis, Joseph-Pierre Durand while he was cutting lower animals in pieces, etc.
      Starting from around 1890, Pierre Janet, Morton Prince and others had been working seriously in this area of research. However, later, after 1910s, this direction of research was practically forgotten, and later, if anyone tried to work in this direction, they simply reinvented the wheel, not knowing anything about the achievements of the 1890s, and not reaching even the microscopic fraction of what had already been achieved in the 1890s.
      Google for page “The history of Neurocluster Brain Model” which contains the extensive list of researchers and books.
      The most complete prototype of Neurocluster Brain Model was described in book “Beyond the Conscious Mind. Unlocking the Secrets of the Self” written by Thomas R. Blakeslee in year 1996.

  • @tovvaar
    @tovvaar Před 2 lety +11

    Let me tell you about the time when I hanged out with Einstein. I love when teachers share personal histories.

  • @Krishnaa553
    @Krishnaa553 Před 2 lety +6

    Priceless! Only gratitude, that I have access to these, Thank you!!

  • @smb2735
    @smb2735 Před 6 lety +2

    These are a treasure. Thanks for posting!

  • @TehGoddamnBatman
    @TehGoddamnBatman Před 8 lety +36

    Rip Dr.Minsky, thanks for all your work

    • @myroseaccount
      @myroseaccount Před 4 lety +4

      Can you point to a single contribution to the advancement of our knowledge of AI, Mind or Philosophy? His only significant work was the creation of a small Turning Machine in 1962

    • @rblauson
      @rblauson Před 4 lety +11

      myroseaccount are you joking ? Lol
      Amongst many other inventions that I don’t have time to list for you : first head mounted graphical display, confocal microscope, the SNARC, the Turing machine you mentioned, amongst others. Additionally, he is regarded as the father of AI. Without his inspiration, initial expertise, and profound intelligence, AI might never have accelerated to where it is today. The guy was a true genius.

    • @kensandale243
      @kensandale243 Před 3 lety +1

      @@rblauson What do you think of his claim that one of Newton's Laws was that kinetic energy is conserved?

    • @GrayWithMe
      @GrayWithMe Před 2 lety +5

      @@kensandale243 why do keep leaving the same comment over and over lol

    • @imaginaryuniverse632
      @imaginaryuniverse632 Před 2 lety +1

      You have some very particular requirements for thanking someone for their works 🛀

  • @SaturnElena
    @SaturnElena Před 10 lety +5

    thank you! lets see how fast can I finish viewing these lectures

  • @denduangboutonglang
    @denduangboutonglang Před 2 lety +4

    Never be able to attend MIT but once walk inside and visit this place. Just stop by and it was my worth experience. I got to visit the place where educated many well known people

  • @jesselle_
    @jesselle_ Před 18 dny

    Kudos to the girl @9:27 who brought up the fact that not all knowledge that can be “tested” objectively... giving credence to ancient wisdom and alternative ways of knowing.this professor is brilliant in his realm no doubt but not everything.. esp dealing with philosophy, the spirit, or the mind nicely fits without the western scientific method paradigm.

  • @hegerwalter
    @hegerwalter Před 2 lety +3

    The next class in this topic.
    czcams.com/video/6AS48fTXBBs/video.html
    The thing about common sense is that there are lots of things that we as humans understand as common, but either don't express it, or don't use it at the time it is necessary. Or maybe we flood the solution space with things that don't work, and it takes time to realize that they won't work. A good example that someone mentioned is that it took many years for people to formulate an algorithm for sorting. You would have thought that someone in the 1500's would have written that and completely "solved" it, considering that at that time, some mathematicians were trying to factorize 3rd order polynomials already then.

  • @sarahg2653
    @sarahg2653 Před rokem

    Thank you so much for posting these free to the public!

  • @thecollageman3290
    @thecollageman3290 Před rokem +1

    brilliant , picking the right probiem , and asking the right questions, may mean everything

  • @bbbildhuu
    @bbbildhuu Před 6 lety +603

    Unintentional asmr

    • @izebellebluereadsoutloud3715
      @izebellebluereadsoutloud3715 Před 2 lety +17

      My feed gave me this after listening to some unintentional Noam Chomsky asmr. These scholars really need to hire James Earle Jones or Neal Degrasse Tyson or Wayne Dyer or Kermit the Frog to read their lectures.

    • @chrisinderkum9475
      @chrisinderkum9475 Před 2 lety +6

      Lol, after coming from one of these unintentional asmr videos I can't stand watching this one without laughing xd

    • @SuperMaDBrothers
      @SuperMaDBrothers Před 2 lety +17

      Every comment above this one is 100% wrong

    • @uelude
      @uelude Před 2 lety +12

      The comment above this one is 100% wrong

    • @milcahwhite865
      @milcahwhite865 Před 2 lety +1

      Zean G merrtlei9$Angeal Home run

  • @mtr7501
    @mtr7501 Před rokem +1

    인간의 본성을 찾아 책들이 가르키는 곳을 보다가.. 우연히 알게된 당신의 글은 한페이지를 읽을때 몇번을 덮고 생각을 하게 만드는지 ^^!
    감사하고 당신의 말에 크게 공감합니다

  • @javaidbhat9292
    @javaidbhat9292 Před rokem

    this is wonderful watching MIT lectures in my bedroom .thanks youtube internet who made this possible .love from india

  • @quronia2151
    @quronia2151 Před 2 lety +5

    Thank you OCW for sharing this course. I'd have to say the professor's lecture is rather difficult to digest.
    Half of the time he gone tangent and speaks a lot of his biases. His smart talks make it difficult to separate between actual teaching and sarcasm/roasting.
    Him roasting neuroscience community got funny after 30min or so (LOL) No chill at all....
    But seriously, he talks interesting stuff. RIP professor. thank you for the lecture.

  • @uelude
    @uelude Před 2 lety +11

    1.75 speed is a wonderful option.

  • @stevenzheng5459
    @stevenzheng5459 Před 2 lety +5

    Content: Philosophy
    Chalkboard: Probability theory / disjoint mathematics

    • @spiderinofiesta3341
      @spiderinofiesta3341 Před 2 lety

      Only clicked for this, the "disconnect" between title and thumbnail

    • @akrishna1729
      @akrishna1729 Před rokem

      genuinely thought it was a measure theory course from the thumbnail lol

  • @notagain3732
    @notagain3732 Před rokem

    Im back for more , rewatching some parts . My subconcious knows this is better than Netflix . 3 or 20 years from know i will be glad i watched this instead of some drama ...this is far more useful... Like going to the gym instead of going to a fast food restaurant but for brain cells

  • @frankmathews1358
    @frankmathews1358 Před rokem +2

    The society of mind. What a blessing.

  • @EmilFr2002
    @EmilFr2002 Před rokem

    This type of content makes my life feel worth of living

  • @happyraj3396815
    @happyraj3396815 Před 2 lety +4

    Thank you for this amazing lecture. Many valuable points highlighted here .💎💎💎💎💎

  • @solarestone
    @solarestone Před rokem

    I love how this dude is so keen on casual humor

  • @hling4e
    @hling4e Před 2 lety +1

    I am glad for the channel in publishing it, so we can have evidence what went wrong in education 🙃

  • @amitnilajkar6272
    @amitnilajkar6272 Před 2 lety +2

    i have greatest wisdom of life without even meeting him. MIT thank you

  • @themarktron
    @themarktron Před 8 lety +10

    R.I.P. My hero

  • @chuckstarwar7890
    @chuckstarwar7890 Před 2 lety +3

    I had the very early version of "Society of Mind" 1986 and he gave a two lectured about his book in 1987. It was still the winter time of AI.

  • @andrewjackson7758
    @andrewjackson7758 Před 2 lety +4

    It's interesting the back and forth with the East Asian student around 11:30 or thereabouts, because the method of debate is quite rigorous without biased or prejudiced remarks. They're on opposite sides of the issue, but it stays civil and professional.

    • @FUEGOSTARR
      @FUEGOSTARR Před rokem

      Yes and as it is expected to be. Many people aren’t capable of asking questions and having their beliefs challenged without becoming hostile. But this is a generally professional and intellectual environment. Civility is the most basic standard.

  • @Ismail0z
    @Ismail0z Před 2 lety +7

    9:28 there are; experimental thinkers, philosophers in the eastern world such as Al-Razi, Avicenna and many who belong to the Golden Age of the Abbasids. Also, the Mu’tazila movement generally had theological rationalists just like Aristotle. Why didn't he mention them? I would like to ask this question

    • @marcelinopenaazzouzi
      @marcelinopenaazzouzi Před 2 lety

      Minsky just swept everyone aside except for Europe and is also considered to be involved with Epstein sordid affairs. Yeah can we deduce that he was not the best source of AI development as he flippantly does away with ethics that prevent any real progress to be made? Oh right deduction is not valid since we must adhere to induction and jump off giants (theory) shoulders. I swear the more you learn the quicker you develop an appreciation of everyone contribution across time and space to human understanding of our universe and the less your follow your base desire to arrogantly think you're superior to everyone else.

    • @vasudilwal9356
      @vasudilwal9356 Před rokem

      Several times throughout the lecture, he sort of gives this sense of 'he might be limited in his opinion and knowledge' on certain things. Sorta humble about some of them but yeah that girl was not giving up arguing lmaooo

  • @atkgrl
    @atkgrl Před rokem +2

    1:41:14. We must remember that numbers, maths are just a way of communication, a language of expression, of explaining, describing what already exist then using the language to express what might be. It is not the end or the completenesses only a tool and all people do not know that language so we must understand that we can still explain and e press ideas or concepts using other languages, and even if people don’t speak certain languages they will speak others some have gone extinct and other waiting birth. It does not mean existence stops, it means you must free your mind of constraints and move to creation.

  • @Nick-fb9uq
    @Nick-fb9uq Před 3 lety +2

    1:22:20 if the "close enough" attitude is good enough for Marv, it's good enough for me!

  • @jf8050
    @jf8050 Před měsícem

    I like when he clears the snot out of his throat every ten seconds. I would pay big money to see this guy teach at a public school in South Chicago.

  • @ariesomega5787
    @ariesomega5787 Před 2 lety +10

    Laid the smack down! “If they [ideologies] can’t be tested, why should someone look at them twice?” 👋 😲 😂

  • @emretoner8282
    @emretoner8282 Před rokem +9

    Wow couldnt be more surprised at Minsky's callous dismissal of ancient wisdom in its totality. Shrodinger himself in "What is life/Mind and Matter" stated that the Vedic conception of consciousness is more amenable to the advances of quantum physics than the objectivation of the external world that underlies the Western tradition (this assumption is challenged within the western tradition with Kant and Schopenhauer--the latter of which was heavily influenced by the Vedic scriptures). The epistemological and ontological value of the Upanishads is not something that can be "jumped off the shoulders from" as modern science's fundamental antinomy is that the very feature through which we come to conclusions about the world (sensual qualities) are never in themselves measured (this is what the student at 12:23 is getting at) and can never be accounted for within this paradigm (for example, the reason we experience the color yellow as yellow at its particular wavelength is not something that we can say a priori) and Shrodinger himself contends this! Of course, the western tradition has provided us with the absolute zenith of logical thinking, the importance of which need not be stated; however, it is ironic that some of the most relatively recent advances into the nature of reality with quantum physics ultimately leave space for the ontological worldview of the Eastern tradition; that the observer effect, for example, belies the idea of a world in itself as an external entity separate from human cognition and might moreso support the implications of the ancient Hindu aphorism of "Thou art that". There are existential questions that will never be able to be "answered " by a reducitonist science as these questions cannot be treated as logical propositions; we should not assume our superiority of insight into the nature of reality over our ancient counterparts simply due to our technological advancements (see Oswald Spengler, Decline of the West).

    • @pmcate2
      @pmcate2 Před 8 měsíci

      Just so ya know, the common term "observation" used to describe what causes a wave function collapse is actually a misnomer. Consciousness has nothing to do with the wave function collapse. Schrodinger may have just said that because it was a serious consideration in the beginning.

  • @itssanti
    @itssanti Před 2 lety +12

    On the ancient eastern western divide, Marvin is quasi right. On the arabic sciences he aimed solely at algebra, wich started there and reached a high school limit as he said. But in reality the field of science the arabs or their conquered territories advanced the most was medicine wich has a different method. The theory of viruses ( althou not as we know it today) started there and the principles of hospitalization and isolation of a patient also started there. But as he noted, barbarism stopped many of the advancing civilizations regading science, in the case of the arab world, it was the mongols.

  • @isaacsaffran8714
    @isaacsaffran8714 Před rokem +1

    This was such a stimulating lecture my neurons ate it up

  • @christopherrobbins9985
    @christopherrobbins9985 Před 6 lety +30

    Marvin is just so damn brilliant. Funny as hell too.

    • @kensandale243
      @kensandale243 Před 3 lety +1

      "Marvin is just so damn brilliant."
      What do you think of his claim that one of Newton's Laws was that kinetic energy is conserved?

    • @David-sw2rj
      @David-sw2rj Před 2 lety +6

      @@kensandale243 He said brilliant, not perfect. What do you think of Newton's claim that he could turn lead into gold? You know, that whole alchemical obsession he had?

    • @brad1368
      @brad1368 Před 2 lety +1

      @@kensandale243...Newton though time was absolute. He was wrong, but he was still brilliant.

  • @chelsealanecreation
    @chelsealanecreation Před rokem

    Wow, this helped me so much… thank you

  • @VoxxEU
    @VoxxEU Před rokem +9

    The question ~10 minute mark about the list being Western philosopher dominated is a valid one. Unfortunately the student couldn't point to them but relevant names like Avicenna, al-Farabi, Huineng, Samkhya, Xun Kuang, et. al. come to mind. Professor Minsky as brilliant as he was does intellectual curiosity, (and himself), a great disservice by brushing the students point aside.
    I'm not saying one is better than the other but the negating tone towards Eastern philosophy, especially in the Anglo-American school was quite obvious during my studies as well.
    One wonders, if as predicted the East ascends to power over the West, if many of those on the list will be so unabashedly dismissed.

    • @DipayanPyne94
      @DipayanPyne94 Před rokem

      Actually, Science and Maths really began in the West. In Ancient Greece ALONE. Other cultures were great as well, but not as good. Philosophy PROPER started in Greece.

    • @VoxxEU
      @VoxxEU Před rokem

      ​@@DipayanPyne94 That's simply incorrect. There was science in the Fertile Crescent and Egypt well before Ancient Greece. Likewise Ancient Sumerians had math before Ancient Greece. The archeological evidence is pretty conclusive.

    • @DipayanPyne94
      @DipayanPyne94 Před rokem

      No. I meant the Foundations of Science and Math. That began in Ancient Greece with a Departure from the Supernatural for the very first time in human history. Ancient Egypt, Sumeria, Mesopotamia etc were not fully naturalised. Plus, they didn't come up with Syllogistic Reasoning. It all started in Greece. The Greeks did something unique in the history of mankind. That is why we are still continuing the Greek Intellectual Tradition, even today ...

    • @VoxxEU
      @VoxxEU Před rokem +1

      ​@@DipayanPyne94 You stated they "began" in the West which isn't true. Even if we shift it to the term foundation, it is still incorrect since foundations are prior to improvements.
      As for a departure from supernatural, Ancient Greek science and philosophy was rife with belief in their pantheon of gods.
      I'll grant you that the Ancient Greeks improved upon mathematics and science, but in the same token so did the Chinese, Indians, Persians, Arabs. To this day we use Arabic numbers and the term for algebra (Arab, al-jabr) was coined by a Persian mathematician.
      The reason the West is so pro Ancient Greece while not acknowledging the contributions of other likely has more to do with geopolitics and religion than it does with intellectual honesty.

    • @DipayanPyne94
      @DipayanPyne94 Před rokem

      Oh. Not true at all. No other culture ever came up with anything like Aristotle's Logic, Euclid's Elements etc etc. Logic comes from the Greek word Logos. Other cultures never made advances as great. In fact, India was HEAVILY influenced by Greece, post Alexander in India in 326 BC. Indians, Chinese etc didn't have Deductive Reasoning like the Ancient Greeks. Even Theories about Nature were nowhere as good in those other cultures. The Greeks single handedly came up with all of that original stuff and that has never been paralleled.
      The Greeks were the First Perfect Naturalists, Radical Sceptics and Methodologists. You simply don't have any other cultures that used Reasoning the way the Greeks did.
      Even in the field of Ethics, the Greeks were like no one else. Their Ethics was PURELY Reason based. Who started it ? Socrates. Who continued it ? Well, everybody else in the west, EVER SINCE !
      The ENTIRE world today is Greek. And it will continue to be so. And this is coming from me, an Indian, who has understood the whole thing ...

  • @Fosgen
    @Fosgen Před rokem

    Pure excellence. And beyond.

  • @pbaklamov
    @pbaklamov Před 2 lety +2

    Great intellect. Thank you MIT. Thank you professor.

  • @MrAnthony59282
    @MrAnthony59282 Před 8 lety +9

    RIP Marvin minsky ..

  • @JS-nl4wq
    @JS-nl4wq Před 5 lety +4

    @MIT opencourseware Please put English Captions for better understanding.

  • @Omnomnomabom
    @Omnomnomabom Před 4 měsíci +4

    Ah, the classic college experience of some random girl derailing the lecture 10 minutes in because she can't get over the fact that Confucius =/= Archimedes.

  • @ludwigvonn9889
    @ludwigvonn9889 Před 2 lety +3

    I use this to fall asleep. Thanks.

  • @jondoc7525
    @jondoc7525 Před rokem

    This put me right to sleep like I was in that Boring class in school , but I keep watching it and get it lol

  • @savantofillusions
    @savantofillusions Před 2 lety +1

    @MIT OCW Marvin, the set that contains itself has to be a physical object made of what it’s made of taking up space which then becomes not space but the objects spatial form

  • @wishfulpolymath
    @wishfulpolymath Před 2 lety +5

    No fault of the professor to not recognise any eastern philosophers- there is the culture and linguistic barrier to cross as most of the ancient works haven't been translated into English yet

  • @alnaza6401
    @alnaza6401 Před 8 lety +3

    Merci pour le cours.

  • @justinneilonCA
    @justinneilonCA Před 2 lety +1

    He fixed the R!! Great lecture!!! :)

  • @douglasbroccone3144
    @douglasbroccone3144 Před 2 lety

    Brilliant mind. I can only try to grasp it.

  • @paulr2353
    @paulr2353 Před 2 lety +8

    I would not do well at MIT. Just wonder if anyone knows what this guy is actually teaching. I’ve watched several of his lectures and he just keeps telling random facts and anecdotes.

  • @liveindignity8680
    @liveindignity8680 Před rokem

    How awesome the lecture is...

  • @laserprawn
    @laserprawn Před 5 lety +9

    Eastern religious thinkers - could say Avicenna or Averroes, since they saved Aristotle; whose text and work triggered the Enlightenment in Europe upon their re-discovery. The Western Roman empire lost the Greek language as a result of their deterioration, and so only in Byzantium and the Arab world did Aristotle remain primary, as Western Europe plunged into the dark ages for a thousand years.

    • @cvbabc
      @cvbabc Před 4 lety +2

      No South American, African or Polynesians cognitive psychologists either. Sheesh

  • @travisfitzwater8093
    @travisfitzwater8093 Před 2 lety

    What took humans so long (to progress as woefully inadequately as that animal species as) is the fascinating dearth of meta-abstract thinking among that animal species.

  • @cropsey7
    @cropsey7 Před 2 lety

    I’ve never heard anyone attempt such ideas as to try to break down a natural leaning process in the spirit of attempting to recreate it mechanically or digitally.

  • @webstarspace
    @webstarspace Před 2 lety +3

    1:55:51/about the part of the lecture implicating the existence of the mind independent of the body.....
    brain creates a mind and to do that our brain interacts with the body that is made of the same cells and genes as our brain it is .....
    it would be nice to know.....
    how the mind gets initiated?
    can we depict/compute the created mind?
    can it be successfully transplanted to another body/machine?

    • @slamrock17
      @slamrock17 Před 2 lety +2

      I don't claim to have answers but I do have an interesting thought to share. Let's parse three subjects, consciousness, the mind, and quantum/conventional physics. Consciousness is something that exists independent from the mind. The mind is a tap into consciousness that allows a stream of information to be broadcasted through an individual. Consciousness is what sets the rules of the universe both on a quantum level and on the macro level. Consciousness is an inherent force just like gravity or friction. When we think we interact with consciousness but we also interact with it when we walk across the sidewalk and the atoms in our feet repel the sidewalk atoms. This interaction of atoms repeling is set by a rule just like the many rules that make up the logic gates of your mind. The mind furthermore is just a physical representation of consciousness in a specific space and time. When we say the mind and body are separate, we are dead wrong the mind is more than just the body It is an amalgamation of information derived both externally and internally. The mind is a product of physically interacting with the medium of the universal consciousness. This universal consciousness is formed through the particle interactions and interconnected electrons throughout the universe. Another way to view this consciousness is as a universal quantum internet. This quantum internet is how our minds connect to consciousness. Consciousness is like the information repository for reality. All possibilities exist within our universe but so does all of the information surrounding those possibilities.Just because you haven't thought about hearing the tree fall in the middle of the woods doesn't mean that thought doesn't exist.

  • @thecollageman3290
    @thecollageman3290 Před rokem

    simple is fun like playing , in the sand box. Than you so much for this.

  • @marysheilds9966
    @marysheilds9966 Před 2 lety +3

    Augustine was the great redactor making possible science and philosophy. There are many holes in atheism none the least is unwarranted prejudice and constant straw man logical fallacies.

  • @boopathimurugan1007
    @boopathimurugan1007 Před 2 lety

    it would be very very useful if u could upload a video complete mechanical design engineering lectures?

  • @create_consume
    @create_consume Před 2 lety +1

    The comment regarding DARPA around 1:30:00 is interesting... that source of funding seems to align with a lot of financial shifts from the 80's - 00's in which capitalism became priority over progress.

  • @clouderdataer
    @clouderdataer Před rokem +2

    This guy is a living historical book ...

  • @spectator5144
    @spectator5144 Před 2 lety +1

    thanks for sharing!

  • @coemoney
    @coemoney Před rokem

    Thank you. 🙏 🕊 Rest Easy King

  • @eve_ai_jiang6979
    @eve_ai_jiang6979 Před rokem

    Ingenuity is shorter than resourcefulness but I've not bothered to look up the definitions for synchronized or not meaning. It satisfies my notion of the two, though.

  • @big1boston
    @big1boston Před 2 lety +2

    I prefer Manly Palmer Hall. I love all knowledge that is provided.

  • @travisfitzwater8093
    @travisfitzwater8093 Před 2 lety

    Buddhism is about letting go. Loosening physical and mental grasp. The Western approach is to grab onto more tightly to both the physical items in this everything and the concepts that tend towards a greater grasp of the metaphysical and supraphysical underpinnings of this experience we call Earth.

  • @jankareaustinat310
    @jankareaustinat310 Před 2 lety +1

    Alltid takk MIT

  • @MrRaggarRobban
    @MrRaggarRobban Před 2 lety +2

    About music ... “If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration // Nikola Tesla ..

  • @adryrodriguez5245
    @adryrodriguez5245 Před rokem

    Im getting asmr AND learning new interesting topics!!

  • @raghuls6779
    @raghuls6779 Před 2 lety +9

    I like to add the fact there were many eastern philosopher who have great ideas in different branches of science but I do accept they were mixed up with religion (some are not).Also I didn't think it's unfair of him to not like it ,everybody have their likes
    47:24 but it's really the basic principle of how quantum computers are working at an exponential amount of efficiency than classical computers

    • @koolio21able
      @koolio21able Před 2 lety +3

      I agree with you completely. It was so narrow minded and ignorant of him to say what he did

  • @douglasbroccone3144
    @douglasbroccone3144 Před 2 lety

    Internal grounding seems like it could be the basis for a collective consciousness. An inborn internal logic structure that learns in a predictive pattern?

  • @gmshadowtraders
    @gmshadowtraders Před rokem

    Was more interested in the equations on that blackboard tbh. I love old school shit like this, beats the big screen any day. Something primordial about it, it oozes class and sophistication.

    • @prestonrasmussen1758
      @prestonrasmussen1758 Před rokem

      It’s hard to tell for sure exactly what class it is but I’ll give you my best guess. What’s written on the board is the definition of a measure from measure theory. The fact that they use P to represent a measure along with the examples given makes me think that this is an advanced probability class.
      I would guess 18.600 or 18.675, but I can’t be too sure

  • @meetthejoker
    @meetthejoker Před 7 měsíci

    Id fall asleep immediately on his lectures😂

  • @thesmilegame
    @thesmilegame Před rokem +1

    Hello Fellow students.

  • @yookoT
    @yookoT Před rokem

    I come to him because of Prof. Winston's lecture. But I wouldn't say I like his attitude toward Eastern Philosophy and neurologists. I also feel sad and sorry for his passing, can't help but wonder what he would say if he saw the things LLMs can do now.

    • @DipayanPyne94
      @DipayanPyne94 Před rokem

      His attitude towards Eastern Philosophy is right. Eastern Philosophy never became as Rational as the West. Philosophy PROPER started in Greece.

  • @jpb10
    @jpb10 Před 9 lety +30

    How is that chalk so bright?

    • @mitocw
      @mitocw  Před 9 lety +69

      The large chalk used is called railroad chalk. Many MIT instructors use the chalk to ensure students can read the chalkboard easily in the large classrooms.

    • @frederick3467
      @frederick3467 Před 4 lety +5

      @@mitocw Good answer

  • @DavidZShi
    @DavidZShi Před měsícem

    I can't believe this is free

  • @exas4791
    @exas4791 Před 2 lety +1

    I don't understand why he brought up a religious figure like Buddha, although the concept of karma is like the scientific law of action-reaction.
    Perhaps the lady in the audience was asking what about any Eastern thinkers who led to inventions, such as the following ?
    --- paper, printing, gunpowder and compass by China;
    -- Hindu-Arabic numeral system or Indo-Arabic numeral system;
    -- algebra by a Persian polymath Muḥammad ibn Mūsā al-Khwārizmī ;
    -- etc.

  • @dheerajrathi8788
    @dheerajrathi8788 Před 2 lety +6

    Important to have examples behind philosophies that’s why eastern thinkers have not found the place. hope professor get to experience some of work of Adi Sankra or Vivekanand on Advait Vedanta

  • @hling4e
    @hling4e Před 2 lety +4

    I am so sad that he is a university professor that only one sided western point of view, saying that Confucius had no teaching and no science proof comparing it to Greek… the girl was right regarding the geometrical basics of Arabe, geometry is base of nature … I hope he doesn’t teach anymore 🤦🏼‍♀️

    • @hling4e
      @hling4e Před 2 lety

      It went wrong because some one sided professor started to teach, like this one 🤢🤮

  • @luisamaya3330
    @luisamaya3330 Před 2 lety

    They modify the sounds for stronger mind control frequency to bounce to the ppl around when I'm speaking.

  • @jonathanmoxley9205
    @jonathanmoxley9205 Před 2 lety

    What separates thought from the brain and influences that separate thought of the universe from one another?

  • @antikoerper256
    @antikoerper256 Před 2 lety +1

    What a privilege to watch stuff like this for free and readily accessible through the power of the Internet. The US truly is the leading global scientific power

    • @finchbevdale2069
      @finchbevdale2069 Před 2 lety

      But the Web was invented by a Brit doing research in Switzerland,

    • @yohiioni1973
      @yohiioni1973 Před 2 lety

      @@finchbevdale2069 who told you that lie?

    • @FUEGOSTARR
      @FUEGOSTARR Před rokem

      @@finchbevdale2069 well even if that is the case, that doesn’t change the fact that many forms of information are widely accessible in the US region.