Exactly. You can make a budget setup or any setup sound better or transform the sound by doing that. Doesn’t cost the earth either. Heard some systems in person that people have been set up in some rooms. Spent £1000’s on gear and sounded awful because reflections everywhere. Bass loose and just no definition. It’s worth doing to bring all into focus. Even a small set of stand mount speakers can perform superbly with a low powered little amp like an old nad 3020 shine with some modest room treatment.
Mr. McGowan I wanna say that I enjoy watching your videos and your general attitude towards life and the approach you take to your company and philosophy in general. Now I've never purchased any PS audio equipment, which is a shame but if you would ever so kindly please come and build an exact replica of that listening room in my home I would very gladly purchase some BHK equipment to fill it and I am also quite excited about the new transport as well.
Great video, Paul ! But is that an AC vent coming out of the ceiling pumping hot air on those beautiful FR30's? Also you mentionl that the FR30's are monopole speakers. But I thought I saw tweeters in the back.
@@aetch77 No Helen, I checked. On one of Paul's videos he describes a 2nd tweeter on the rear . And you are right, it can be tuned up or down or off. These look to be various nice loudspeakers, especially for the price.
Here, though, the FR30s have a rising treble response that causes all the mixes on them to be quite dark and recessed. There is a distinct change in the tonality if you rifle through Octave's catalog once they started using the FR30s as opposed to just using the ATCs or whatever they had before. If you mix on speakers, you need to be sure they are neutral, or whatever defects they have will be applied to the mix. E.g. if they have too little treble, the mix will be too bright. Too little bass, boomy. If there is a suckout in the midrange at the cross-over, then it will sound boxy or honky, etc. I would at least have actual monitors there somewhere in the mixing chain as a sanity check.
Curious about the distance between speakers and distance from speakers to the listening position. I have the audiophiles guide (great resource; accompanying cd really completes the package) and was curious where the FR30s have landed in your 16' x 24' room.
The speakers appear to be VERY close together, especially in proportion to the listening distance. You obviously know what you’re doing, but this is nothing even close to resembling an equilateral triangle. I’d be really curious to hear your thoughts on how you chose this configuration. Thanks for all the great work you do!
I had basically the same dimension/size room that Paul has, many years ago. I had though Acoustat 1+1's medallion mod, Counterpoint equipment and VPI with Koetsu Black Goldline. Everyone that came and listened were amazed by the imaging and sound. I would guess that since this will be a demo room, they measured and did the listening tests. You won't know until you actually hear how it sounds to say that the speakers are too close. I positioned the speakers all over the room to get the best sound that I could. And surprisingly, the positioning was (and again, this was done decades ago) are similar to what I see here.
Paul: How far from the front wall are the FR30's in this video. In general how far do you recomment the FR30's be from the front wall to get optimal performance?
Really enjoy your videos. I’ve implemented many of your recommendations including this one. As today I rearranged my gear by moving it to one side and wow! What a difference in sound resolution. Thanks for the videos and I look forward to many more from you.
That's what I was thinking, the top binding posts are awfully barren, However if you pause at the right moment you'll see another bank at the very bottom with way more cables - 4:13 etc.
Hi Paul. Sorry, but the question was about room treatment and showing the things your done. I missed some talk about the panels behind the speakers, and also the thick side panels? Is those for obsorbing bass? Would really love to hear some more about that. Otherwise i watched your vd for a couple of years now and boy do i have learned and laught a Lot. THX for that, and keep up the good Work 💪 ✌️❤️🇩🇰
Hate to say it Paul but you need to go bigger for your two front sound producers. (Speakers)... I got to go to your website I've been watching your videos for a couple months now I build cabinets myself I've gotten some great great knowledge from you and your videos. Keep them coming do you offer a public tour of your sound rooms?
The Fr30 is a partial di-pool, with the tweeter in the back.. And ht tweeter is responsible for about ~2k to 20k Hz, so a pretty big part of the audio spectrum. BTW it is really a pity in a dedicated listening room, that the cables are hold in place with a big mess of tape..
"The Fr30 is a partial di-pool, with the tweeter in the back." - not in the typical meaning of that word. The speakers are BI-pole, that is, they have a second direction, that tweeter in the back. Another (and better) term is "poly-directional". A dipole (like Magnepans) send half (hence "di-" prefix, meaning _twofold_ ) the energy forward and half the energy backwards. "... with a big mess of tape.." - Paul stated that was temporary.
Hi Paul, question , is there a reason the ceiling is Symmetrical and not tilted up to make an asymmetric floor to ceiling aspect geometry. Side note, some original artwork would give the room some emotional aesthetic warmth. Ask your lovely wife. 🤗 Andrew . Montreal. Canada
Thanks for showing us all details of your Music Room 2! You say is one of the best music rooms we will ever audition and I belive you, but I wonder, how much money do I need to mimic your Music Room 2? (Including room construction).
You'll need to spend a fortune, it's the cost of obsession. However for most sane and balanced people, who have more pressing needs , it's best to spend wisely on audio gear. You don't need to spend a fortune to achieve a truely amazing system.
Don't know if I'd buy a speaker from a company that attempts to construct HH resonators in the corners out of gypsum drywall, fails, and then brushes it under the rug...
Ideally, Paul needs a lot more treatment in that room. I'd like to see a LF decay measurement... unless those walls are adequately damping the bottom octaves, this room could benefit from a great deal more LF treatment. Either way, I dig the room and appreciate the content. I'm sure both the FR30 and the IRS V sound good in that room. However, they're simply scratching the surface of an adequately treated room. It can benefit from significantly more attention. btw; the FR-30s are an aesthetic grand slam
Paul, who is your turntable guru? Is it you? Who dialed in the many vectors to ensure that your stylus makes the most out of the groove? Also, you have been using Vicoustic panels for some time. How many have come down? I am asking because they sell expired glue, and many customers have had panels come down. Vicoustic's CEO, Bert Goodman, has told me so. Lastly, please do not use a wide-angle lens. The shape of the room that it presents is distorted. It makes the side walls look like they are leaning. We do not see an accurate presentation of your room. As audio suffers from extra processing, so does video.
You know Legacy audio products for much less come with DSP, ie' the Legacy Audio WHISPERS will guaranteed sound more REAL and better than these over priced poor attempt to build loudspeakers. Talk to Bill dudleston, and learn Physics and real acoustics, from a expert....
Every home should have a room like this❤
I love the cabinet work!!!!
Absolutely amazing! I’ve been loving your videos and your presentation. I’ve learned so much and I just want to say thank you.
I've treated my room too , it's so incredibly important to invest in diffusors and absorbing. You can almost make any speaker really good that way.
Exactly. You can make a budget setup or any setup sound better or transform the sound by doing that. Doesn’t cost the earth either. Heard some systems in person that people have been set up in some rooms. Spent £1000’s on gear and sounded awful because reflections everywhere. Bass loose and just no definition. It’s worth doing to bring all into focus. Even a small set of stand mount speakers can perform superbly with a low powered little amp like an old nad 3020 shine with some modest room treatment.
Mr. McGowan I wanna say that I enjoy watching your videos and your general attitude towards life and the approach you take to your company and philosophy in general.
Now I've never purchased any PS audio equipment, which is a shame but if you would ever so kindly please come and build an exact replica of that listening room in my home I would very gladly purchase some BHK equipment to fill it and I am also quite excited about the new transport as well.
Great video, Paul ! But is that an AC vent coming out of the ceiling pumping hot air on those beautiful FR30's? Also you mentionl that the FR30's are monopole speakers. But I thought I saw tweeters in the back.
I thought it was a mid-range on the rear. I'm also pretty sure it could be turned down/off.
@@aetch77 No Helen, I checked. On one of Paul's videos he describes a 2nd tweeter on the rear . And you are right, it can be tuned up or down or off. These look to be various nice loudspeakers, especially for the price.
Looks like an AC unit. No doubt that is turned off when listening but left on while the room sits empty with all the equipment powered up.
I've been mixing music through my stereo system as well. It gives me a much, much better idea of what the final result is gonna sound like.
Here, though, the FR30s have a rising treble response that causes all the mixes on them to be quite dark and recessed. There is a distinct change in the tonality if you rifle through Octave's catalog once they started using the FR30s as opposed to just using the ATCs or whatever they had before. If you mix on speakers, you need to be sure they are neutral, or whatever defects they have will be applied to the mix. E.g. if they have too little treble, the mix will be too bright. Too little bass, boomy. If there is a suckout in the midrange at the cross-over, then it will sound boxy or honky, etc. I would at least have actual monitors there somewhere in the mixing chain as a sanity check.
Curious about the distance between speakers and distance from speakers to the listening position. I have the audiophiles guide (great resource; accompanying cd really completes the package) and was curious where the FR30s have landed in your 16' x 24' room.
The speakers appear to be VERY close together, especially in proportion to the listening distance. You obviously know what you’re doing, but this is nothing even close to resembling an equilateral triangle. I’d be really curious to hear your thoughts on how you chose this configuration.
Thanks for all the great work you do!
I believe the extra wide camera angle makes the speakers seem closer than it really is. Paul does all his setups mostly by ear.
@@elongatuspiranha which really doesn't negate the basics spoken about here.
I had basically the same dimension/size room that Paul has, many years ago. I had though Acoustat 1+1's medallion mod, Counterpoint equipment and VPI with Koetsu Black Goldline.
Everyone that came and listened were amazed by the imaging and sound. I would guess that since this will be a demo room, they measured and did the listening tests. You won't know until you actually hear how it sounds to say that the speakers are too close.
I positioned the speakers all over the room to get the best sound that I could. And surprisingly, the positioning was (and again, this was done decades ago) are similar to what I see here.
Listening tests are super important but please show us how this setup is measuring.
How is it a monopole forward firing speaker when it looks like there’s a tweeter module in the back?
The room is 25' long - what is the approximate distance from the speaker baffles to the listening seat?
Paul: How far from the front wall are the FR30's in this video. In general how far do you recomment the FR30's be from the front wall to get optimal performance?
Hi Paul is the Vicustic panels the Wavewood diffuser Ultra ???
Awesome Paul , I wish I had the money for those because I would get up. I know me and millions of others.
🤗😎 I DO HOPE TO EXPERIENCE THIS…SOMEDAY …IN THE FUTURE 🤷♂️ WHEN I DO NOT KNOW…BUT I AM SURELY LOOKING 👀 FORWARD TO IT 🤗💚💚💚
looking good paul
Paul, who makes the equipment rack? Thanks for the video, the room looks great I’d love to come and see it someday.
I have room correction.
It’s my cat..He deflects everything, even my dinner on the dinner table🙄😳😀
finally,we get to see the back of these new speakers and their binding posts.
which have no cables attached. That might compromise sound more than diffusers.
Paul what is the ceiling height 16X25X ??. Thanks
Really enjoy your videos. I’ve implemented many of your recommendations including this one. As today I rearranged my gear by moving it to one side and wow! What a difference in sound resolution. Thanks for the videos and I look forward to many more from you.
OMG - sheeple.
Are the speakers not plugged in?
That's what I was thinking, the top binding posts are awfully barren, However if you pause at the right moment you'll see another bank at the very bottom with way more cables - 4:13 etc.
On the back of the FR30, is that another super tweeter? If so, what does it do?
Hi Paul. Sorry, but the question was about room treatment and showing the things your done. I missed some talk about the panels behind the speakers, and also the thick side panels? Is those for obsorbing bass?
Would really love to hear some more about that. Otherwise i watched your vd for a couple of years now and boy do i have learned and laught a Lot. THX for that, and keep up the good Work 💪
✌️❤️🇩🇰
Thanks! Let me know when you open for tours as I am about 25 mins from you!
Hate to say it Paul but you need to go bigger for your two front sound producers. (Speakers)...
I got to go to your website I've been watching your videos for a couple months now I build cabinets myself I've gotten some great great knowledge from you and your videos. Keep them coming do you offer a public tour of your sound rooms?
Hello, what is the use of the back ruban speaker on the Fr30, isn’t it a unipolar speaker? Love your channel. Tanks.
Not exactly the equilateral triangle? Or is it the wide angle lens? :)
So no treatment to cover the fundamental frequencies (ie. below 100hz)? Interesting...
Why is the room not tapered i.e. wider at the back
So awesome, yummie ;-))
For your next show if you want people to talk about your product have a table at the door with bibs ready to help with that drool lol
🤣
Thank you Paul . I assume it is best to have the speaker wires the shortest length ?
It is when you spend $10,000 per foot for your speaker cables😄
Do you still sell "noise harvester" device? cus that shows your real expertise
The Fr30 is a partial di-pool, with the tweeter in the back.. And ht tweeter is responsible for about ~2k to 20k Hz, so a pretty big part of the audio spectrum.
BTW it is really a pity in a dedicated listening room, that the cables are hold in place with a big mess of tape..
"The Fr30 is a partial di-pool, with the tweeter in the back." - not in the typical meaning of that word. The speakers are BI-pole, that is, they have a second direction, that tweeter in the back. Another (and better) term is "poly-directional". A dipole (like Magnepans) send half (hence "di-" prefix, meaning _twofold_ ) the energy forward and half the energy backwards.
"... with a big mess of tape.." - Paul stated that was temporary.
That's a nice room......
Hi Paul, question , is there a reason the ceiling is Symmetrical and not tilted up to make an asymmetric floor to ceiling aspect geometry. Side note, some original artwork would give the room some emotional aesthetic warmth. Ask your lovely wife. 🤗
Andrew . Montreal. Canada
He mentioned in a previous video that it was costing too much money with the move and the building so they called it good as it stands.
Paul where is the HMSS at ?
Thanks for showing us all details of your Music Room 2! You say is one of the best music rooms we will ever audition and I belive you, but I wonder, how much money do I need to mimic your Music Room 2? (Including room construction).
You'll need to spend a fortune, it's the cost of obsession. However for most sane and balanced people, who have more pressing needs , it's best to spend wisely on audio gear. You don't need to spend a fortune to achieve a truely amazing system.
@@davidhardaker192 Thanks David, how much would that "down to earth" system you mentioned cost? (just a round figure from the top of your head).
@@pablolubbert9739 30-40K
We need sound demo
Don't know if I'd buy a speaker from a company that attempts to construct HH resonators in the corners out of gypsum drywall, fails, and then brushes it under the rug...
Fun.
Ideally, Paul needs a lot more treatment in that room.
I'd like to see a LF decay measurement... unless those walls are adequately damping the bottom octaves, this room could benefit from a great deal more LF treatment.
Either way, I dig the room and appreciate the content.
I'm sure both the FR30 and the IRS V sound good in that room.
However, they're simply scratching the surface of an adequately treated room. It can benefit from significantly more attention.
btw; the FR-30s are an aesthetic grand slam
Tell me what ain’t expensive 😁
you have to change your name to B.S audio. took a good game I give you that
Equipment between the speakers is not a compromise. That is just nonsense. It may be your preference, but it does not improve the sound quality.
where are the measurements, instead of just basic guessing
Paul, who is your turntable guru? Is it you?
Who dialed in the many vectors to ensure that your stylus makes the most out of the groove?
Also, you have been using Vicoustic panels for some time.
How many have come down?
I am asking because they sell expired glue, and many customers have had panels come down. Vicoustic's CEO, Bert Goodman, has told me so.
Lastly, please do not use a wide-angle lens.
The shape of the room that it presents is distorted. It makes the side walls look like they are leaning. We do not see an accurate presentation of your room.
As audio suffers from extra processing, so does video.
Those speakers far from good sounding))..have a great Time Paul !
Is your comment based on your impression after hearing them?
You have not experienced reality, FR 30 from you are not the best for mixing, stop the sales pitches
Those treatments will be a waste unless you use PS Audios $20k snake oil cables 😂
You know Legacy audio products for much less come with DSP, ie' the Legacy Audio WHISPERS will guaranteed sound more REAL and better than these over priced poor attempt to build loudspeakers. Talk to Bill dudleston, and learn Physics and real acoustics, from a expert....