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Is upgrading your projector to an LED wall worth the investment? Can you even make it happen on a non-megachurch budget?
In this video, I’ll tell you how we upgraded our projector to a budget led screen for our church. Spoiler alert... we're really pleased with it!
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0:00 Intro
0:33 Why did we need to upgrade?
2:13 Where we found the budget LED Screen
3:05 The installation process
5:36 The results!
7:22 Should you get one?
I love that they actually have actual pricing instead of this "contact for quote" nonsense that I've been encountering.
Right? We've really enjoyed working with Worship Productions.
Hate that as well
Yes!!! We had been searching for a screen for months!!! And that's the one thing we loved was they showed their prices. We actually purchased two screens from them one for our sanctuary and one for our kids room.
Our sanctuary is not large, roughly 40' x 75'. Without going into lots of detail and reasons why, we needed something far better than a projector & screen. We priced an LED wall, but it was too much. We went with an 85" LED TV. The results were/are outstanding! Granted, a larger sanctuary would need something bigger than 85" (hence, a video wall), which is one reason this video by Collaborate Worship is so helpful.
Glad you found a solution that works!
We did that too
Thanks so much for posting this information. I've not had luck finding installation and cost information in my own searches. We recently put lots of money into better a projector and screen but are plagued by ambient light as well as a window behind the screen, both causing poor on-screen images. I recently saw an LED screen in use in another church and was blow away with its color and brightness. Your info here will put us on a practical path to solve our issue!! And at first look here, it appears we can put in 2 (left and right sides) LED screens for nearly what we paid for a large projector, custom lens and new retractable screen.
I’ve been looking for something like this for 3 years, you guys have no idea how happy my pastor it’s gonna be now. I got a quote from another company and it vas over 30k, so this is perfect! As always excellent content
So glad this got to you! This is exactly why we partnered with Worship Productions. Let them know Collaborate Worship sent you!
How can I find this company please. Very interested
If the projector moves from drum kicks, you can just add a heavy weight to the projector mount. The more the better but I would suggest 50lbs or so. Of course you need to beef up the mount to hold the weight but more inertia = less movement. As for the building moving in the wind, can't help you there. Hope your roof doesn't blow off in the next storm!
Thank God I found you and thanks for the video. Our old projectors are just no cutting it in qualiy, and we have a fairly large church. And some older elders want to replace with tv's and I keep telling them a tv will look tiny up there.. and I was just telling them about more expensive projectors, but this seems more future proof !! And would be worth the cost!! So thank you !
Glad it helped you out! Be sure to let them know Collaborate Worship sent you when you go check them out!
When we were after a new system, one crowd wanted to do a video wall out of 4 LCD panels, I took a picture of the are as seen from the back and then superimposed the screens on it, it was plain to see their proposal was not going to cut it.
I converted their screen size to the number of bricks on the wall, the counted them off in the photo to get the scaling right. from the back of was frighteningly small, a downgrade from our old 4x3 twin halogen projector. neat $1K per lamp by two - yikes...
Our projector tends to vibrate a bit when the front (ceiling-located) A/C unit kicks in. Being in San Antonio that happens quite a bit, so we've added some cushioning to minimize the vibrations. One day I hope to have the budget to get rid of it completely and move to something like this... :)
Projectors... Gotta love em... lol. Hope you get the chance to get an LED screen at some point!
As someone who runs / works with a LED Screen hire company, best advice is to get your processor set up and run a test pattern, we use a colour swipe.
Whilst your test pattern is running, build each row and check to make sure that there are no pixels out etc….
LED Screens are the way to go.
Great tip. Thank you!
As someone who just rebuilt our new LED wall for the 3rd time (1st time was fresh install and my lack of knowledge with LED panels) this would have saved us soo much time. I made some short jump cables and was able to test each panel one by one while we rebuilt our mounting rig (the first attempt was wonky and was visually distracting).
We still have some panels that don't work completely but we used the best panels and set aside the rest to rebuild as backups.
There was a set of railroad tracks about a 1/4 mile from my previous church. So whenever a train would go by it would shake the projector
Oh gosh 😂 There's train tracks right down from us as well but thankfully it's going into a depot, so not enough speed to shake our building.
At a church building in the south east US, the projector mount was attached to the metal roof truss. During the heat of the day, it moved enough to move the image off the screen. Every week (and sometimes even between early and late service) we would have to adjust the keystone and image shift to get it back on the screen.
That's crazy!
Great job with this video. Our church meets in a movie theater and we use their projector and screen. Their projectors cost over $30K each... I wonder if this will be the next wave for theaters too? You only briefly touched on the rest of the hardware and software involved to run the screen and the movie business has pretty tight security on their films. They are delivered electronically and you need an electronic key to open and play them from the projector software. Just curious how that would work with this LED Wall tech. So cool! Thanks for sharing your experience.
It's a lot more simple than you think, especially for a smaller one with only 15 panels like ours. Just run your feed to the video processor, and then the video processor sends the stitched image to the panels via 2 ethernet cables. That's the only other hardware you need besides the panels themselves. Software is only needed to setup the processor, then it's good to go on it's own.
I was wondering the same thing when I was at a movie theater the other day! With as close as you sit in a theater and as big as the screen is, you'd need a really tight pixel pitch. I imagine were a ways out before that becomes viable for movie theaters. It would be super cool though! - Dillon
I did exactly the same led screen last year just for 3500$. It’s took me one full day to assumably and it was not so easy)
We just purchased this wall. How did you put it together? Did they give you instructions?
Where did you purchase for that price? do you have a link?
@@rangelconstructionpainting1091 just local supplier. It was before Russia attacks my country.
We are currently running an Epson laser based projector, it is mounted off a side wall, and the only time we have any issues is with strong winds that move it about a touch, although the fact that a brick wall is moving is of more concern than the image bouncing a touch.
Actually our biggest woe is our livestream where we use a pair of PTZ IP cams, the lag in the video is a right pain, we try and delay the audio to match but they always drift, so wide-ish shots are better as the crap lip-sync is less obvious.
That's awful! So your video and/or audio is inconsistently timed? What software are you using?
What Hazer do you guys suggest for a smaller size church building like yours?
Have you had any issues with wireless interference? Are the power in and power out (daisy chain) different colors? I've heard of these walls before and those were two of the complaints I saw.
We've not had either problem. It is working great!
Wow! Curious to know if your getting any video banding. What type of cameras you have and what frame rate are they're set at (24/30 fps shutter speed)
No banding on our Blackmagic studio 4k plus. Frame rate at 30fps even (seems to not like the .97, etc. frame rates). If you zoom in to a focal length that hits the pixels just right, it does get some moire, but not terribly. Just gotta find the sweet spots on the lens. - Dillon
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@Dillon Thanks Brother!
Hey there, can this type of system display a regular signal and play movies or sports games from roku? ? I am building a wiffleball stadium and would like to watch games outside.
Sure can! Takes any signal over HDMI.
wow i love that
Hello thank you for making this video very helpful since im looking for same option for my coffee shop, I have one question how does the electricity bill change from using the projector vs this new screen ?? does the bill went up too drastically ??? appreciate this video content
We have not inspected it closely enough to know. I'd imagine that if you are running it every day though, there would be a difference.
awesome!
Thank you so much for making this helpful video! I've been looking for a good kind of projector that would work well in a church where the lighting of the sanctuary is well lit. LED walls seem like an good option to consider. What I wanted to know is what kind of BenQ Projector were you using and would you recommend its use in a church setting that is well lit? If not, what kind of projector would you recommend for a well lit setting? Thanks again and God bless.
Can't remember the exact model of the projector we were using, but it was only a couple thousand dollars, so wasn't the brightest.
To be honest "projector" and "well-lit environment" don't really go together. I'd recommend checking out Ryland Russell's video about their giant projector install if you want to drop some cash on a really nice bright one: czcams.com/video/hX1e591Gxm4/video.htmlsi=cFpNSWUVH973KlPB
@@collabworship Sounds interesting. Thanks! 🙏 Really appreciate your input.
Currently on their site the praise package is $12,999. It is 14.5 by 6.5. it is still costly for a mid size church. I am thinking to use 4 85" tv which will be roughly 12 by 7. With deep sales, you can do it for under $3,000. You don't need the OLED tv.
"Budget" has a different interpretation for every church for sure. We just wanted to put it out there that you can get the technology at a much cheaper price point than most other LED brands.
I haven't personally seen the TV idea done, but I'd be really interested to see how that turns out! Not sure what it would look like with the TV borders breaking up the seams. If you try it, shoot me an email with some photos! dillon@collaborateworship.com
My church also purchased an LED Wall from Worship Productions and got a great price for our custom wall. I’d highly recommend them!
Nice! Glad you have also had a great experience. Did you do the install yourself or have them install it?
how much would it cost, an estimate we are a newly planted church. we are confused now about which one we should get led screen or projector.
You mentioned the church being rented out as an event center. That sounds like a great way to bring outside revenue into the church without taxing the members' wallets. What type of events do you rent out for and do you have any specific restrictions for the renters?
It's worked out really well. Covers all of the building expenses. On top of that, it provides some extra income for some of our church members that we hire to clean for the event center.
We've had all kinds of events hosted there, but don't put very many restrictions on the renters. Birthday parties, corporate events, wedding receptions, and even other churches use our building.
Just the obvious things like "don't move certain things" or "don't mess with certain tech" or "only use command strips to attach decorations to walls".
When it comes down to it, people are looking to rent the building, not a church. So you have to accommodate the same way that any other event venue would for it to be successful.
Obviously we ask about the details of their event and have the power to tell them "no, we won't rent to you for that kind of event" but that scenario has been very rare.
Opening your space up to other people and organizations definitely introduces some headaches, but nothing that makes it not worth it.
so we installed an LED screen and it looks great. the problem is that when we shoot video, it shows flickering and strobing. On our SONY cams, we've fixed it. But on our Canon EOS R, we can't seem to get rid of it. Any tips?
We found that it really comes down to the proper frame rate. Ours seems to look the best at an even number frame rate like 30fps (as opposed to 29.97fps).
We have tried our EOS R in our room and it's very limited in its HDMI out capabilities. Could never fine-tune it enough to get flickering to go away.
Now we use a black magic studio 4k, and the HDMI out reflects whatever the camera is set to capture. Much more versatile. Also has more frame rate options to choose from as opposed to canon cameras.
I'm assuming that if you're not having issues with the Sony, then it's probably sending a proper frame rate through the HDMI. Do a frame rate test on both cameras and see if you can find one they'll both output and not cause flicker. You'll probably also want to check framerates in your chain of capturing from the camera to your live stream software. Make sure everything is set properly.
thank you for this nice content bro
Can you tell me what the total cost of your particular upgrade was? The screen was 10k but you have other costs such as power and mounting, etc. What did you guys roughly spend? I'm looking at replacing 3 screens your size. Thanks.
Rigging the way we did - The super struts, nuts, bolts, chain, odds and ends - Probably came out to between $300 and $400. No labor cost in that since we did it ourselves. Super struts are currently pretty high, so that accounted for a lot of it.
With install of the new outlets, we had electricians do that and they charged a couple hundred bucks.
Rough estimates for ya. I don't have all the receipts handy to add it all up exactly. Hope that helps!
-Dillon
I love how it looks in here 5:49
How far is the first row of seats from your screen? We are in the same boat and looking at a minimum of $10K for a new projector, but you've got me curious now. 🤔
The front row is about 18 feet from the screen. On the front row, you can see the pixels if you are looking for them. But most don't notice.
We just bought a wall from them. Did they provide you with instructions? We are trying to put our together but needs so guidance.
Call your rep that sold you the wall. They will help you out. I'll help in any way I can. Shoot me an email at dillon@collaborateworship.com
What do you recommend for a low sanctuary ceiling is like 10 feet?
One their smaller screen would work for you. You can build a rig that supports it from the floor instead of the ceiling.
I’m part the worship team at my church and I want my church to switch from our dual projector setup to a full led backdrop setup. Since our old projectors cost $52,000 13 years ago it should be well within our budget to upgrade to a led well though they say it’s too expensive. What are your thoughts ? Our church is around 600 people.
LED is a better investment than a high-end projector in my opinion.
Wonder how it would compare to a Laser Projector.
A Cost and Visual comparison
It'd be an interesting comparison for sure. Might have to find someone that has a nice laser projector to compare it to.
Would you recommend using one as a foldback projection? and is there an Australian Distributer of these panels?
What do you mean by foldback projection? Like a screen that you can hide away? I've seen some big churches that have them on motorized hoists to lift them up and down, but you'd need tall ceilings. And I'm sure it'd get pricy.
I'm not sure if they sell out of the US or not. You'd have to ask them on their website. They might work with you to get it to Australia if you can afford to ship it there.
@@collabworship Thanks. we currently use a projector and screen as a prompt for those on stage but I am needing to change that setup soon as some construction works will render the wall unuseable so i am tossing up between a TV install or an LED panel to suit.
@@daniellindaprowse215 How big do you think the display needs to be in order for people on stage to see it well?
@@collabworship I am trying to work that our the front of stage to the current projector is around 25 meters (~75feet) and has an image side around 85 inches I think. maybe slightly smaller.
@@daniellindaprowse215 If you can make a big TV work, it'd be much easier and cheaper. Easier setup and mounting.
Can you tell me what the price was when you went up to the 2.5mm model? Thanks
Not entirely sure because we had a special deal. They also run specials on upgrades at certain times of the year. You would just have to get a quote from them to know for sure. I'd have to guess at least $3,000 though.
Hello ! This question is kind of far from the content, but what app do you use in showing the lyrics ?
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Man, you shure have a gigantic Budget. If We'd do that, we'd get like 1500 at absolute most. I mean: Projection _works_ just fine
You're right. Everyone has a different budget to work with. If projection is what fits in your budget, then it's a great solution 🙂
Our projector is not clear enough any more
What can I do to make it clear
Did it get unfocused? Or is the lens dirty?
Hey. Nice video. Do you think this could work outside the United States?
I believe they will deliver outside the US. I would just contact them and ask.
Where did you guys buy the curtains?
Here is the curtain we use: www.rosebrand.com/product1472/20-oz-Crescent-Velour-IFR.aspx?tid=2&info=20%2boz.%2bCrescent
Our projector always sways when the window is open 🤦🏻♂️
Oh no! haha
This is tough, let me know after three years of use how many pixels you drop?
I use almost 1 year and don’t have problem even with one pixel. Anyway, usually people are baying like 10% extra of all spare parts to be able to solve the problem in place and to not have a delay with shipping.
So you didn't consider a short throw projector does type of projectors can sit right up against the wall and give you a good😮😮😮😮
Wouldn't work too well with the way we have things setup.
@@collabworship after I saw the wall that you put up I cannot realise the close-up projector would have been pointless
There’s a reason these are really cheap. You get what you pay for but if you know anything about LED walls you’ll know these are a “sound to good to be true” scenario. Support, quality and life expectancy will make you regret something like this later. There is a saying “buy your second LED wall first” because it’s not the worth the hassle you’ll be having soon. Don’t take my word for it. There are plenty of people on knowledgeable church forums who strongly advise against this!
Thanks for the tip, Kenton. We will definitely post more videos as time passes on how it is holding up. Hopefully it will be an X32 case scenario and defy the odds. :)
What brand you used
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I miss the days of incandescent lights, a piano/organ and hymnals.
We have those moments quite often at our church as well. We turn off the LED wall. The only lights on are our warm white lights. Acoustic guitar, piano, vocals, and simple hymns. We love it!
Karen here. Trying to imitate the Glory of God.
Amen!
odd when a church has a useful video to learn something
EDIT: Nevermind..."on a budget" means on an exploitive business model (aka - church) budget.
"Exploitive" is a strange choice of words lol.
We didn't take advantage of anybody or do anything unfair for our own gain. We just presented the info as we had it. Transparent with the fact that we got a discount for making the video.
We aren't forcing anybody to buy one; we even showed the prices you would pay at the beginning of the video. We were gonna buy one before we even talked to them about a partnership.
"Budget" is up for interpretation. Not much we can do about that. That word means different things to every church. We were just looking at it relatively.
Is that thumbnail asking for the earth to be flooded? Ive seen lots of climate change deniers but this is my first time seeing climate change cheerleaders!!
Haha. Just lyrics from the song 'Flood the Earth' by the Torwalts. All symbolism. Nothing to do with climate change.
I love how your face is shaped like a plectrum.
Thanks? 😂
This is just one long Worship Productions advertisement.
Nah. It's an honest review. And since it's a rare find, we want people to know how to get one.
Funny how worship has become a theatrical production, with more attention to audio/video systems....how things look and sound instead of reaching out and helping the poor and disenfranchised.
It doesn't have to be one or the other. The church can be served well while we help the poor. We serve the God of more than enough.
@@collabworship - I agree but you never see videos' about that.
This is what is ruining churches. Entertainment centers
Hey Edward - If you watched some of our services, you'd find out that we are far from an entertainment center. The projector/screen is simply a tool we use to help us serve the church and preach the gospel.
Lights, led walls, and haze are just the modern version of stained glass windows. There is literally no difference. The relative cost is even similar.
@@collabworship People need to get back to The Bible. Jesus doesn't need LED's to bring people to himself. People need the Word of God. You all get too fancy and people are missing The Bible.
@@emorris272 People don't miss the Bible because of an LED screen. People miss the Bible because of pastors who shy away from the truth to appease culture.
@@collabworship What is the point of a screen? What's wrong with hymnals?