All Things Initiative | Chivalry 2
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0:00 Introduction to Initiative
0:50 How to acquire Initiative
1:50 The Limitations of Initiative
What exactly is initiative? Why do my opponent's attacks always land before mine do? How do I deal with fast weapons? You may have many questions when it comes to Chivalry 2 and its mechanics. Today, we'll be going over an invisible concept that governs Chivalry 2's combat known as Initiative.
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Your channel is a gem. Amazing content my sir
Glad you're enjoying it 😊
This video has helped my friends who we're trying to get into Chivalry 2!
Thanks dave 👍
I'm glad this video helped you 🙂
Thank you so much! God bless you! I see what I was doing wrong; I would use heavy attacks a lot and feints a lot and would wonder why my attacks aren’t landing faster when I had initiative. Thank you so much!
Glad I could help! Heavy attacks and feints are great mixups, but they aren't guaranteed to land by initiative!
Most helpful Chiv 2 content creator! Thank you sir!
No problem!
Thanks for this video. Im new to chivarly and man is it addicting so many mechanics to the game. This helps the game make more sense
Glad I could help!
Thanks for the video Mr. Dave 👍
You're welcome 🤗
Played with you the other day! You were a beast. Love the content bro
Glad you enjoy it
Great explanation. It's not really that complicated but it's hard to put into words. The mount and blade community calls this priority. Or at least it used to years ago, don't know if that's still true.
And I think it's basically analogous to Frame Advantage in fighting games.
Basically is frame advantage, except it's a little different in that you can use an attack that has initiative and still be interrupted because you didn't aim properly.
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An interesting clan to say the least
really nice, short & clear video! i like it.
i'm really dissatisfied with initiative in Chivalry. it's not very strict, and as you said, when you want to feint/do heavy attack, you can get hit. the game revolves mostly around feints, to bait enemy counters. but this kind of 'initiative system' provides an advantage to players who play Longsword/one-handed weapons, as they can quickly hit you while you are trying to outplay them with feint. it's also hard to drag, as you can also get 'gambled'.
but that's just my piece of cake. i believe that good players are aware of this & they are ready to not get hit between the combos. but i think the game should 'protect' you and make your initiative stronger.
I made a joke the other day about how if you play chivalry 2 like chivalr:mw by only using the attack and cancel button, initiative is very consistent! 😂
Regardless, Chivalry 2 has the most tools out of any slasher, but all the new tools added such as heavy attacks and specials don't fall under the initiative umbrella, and that can leave people dissatisfied. I still firmly believe that slow weapons are extremely powerful even if it seems like fast weapons have the advantage. This is supported by which weapons are popular in competitive play and tournaments.
Thanks for this Dave. Often find myself riposting into heavy feints way too often and wasting my intiative. It just doesnt work with better players and usually gets me killed a lot in dueling servers.
Glad you learned something 😁
I think I was in a dueling server with you Dave. Thx for the video
Glad I could help.
On a loosely related note, I'm curious about the mechanics of active parry/counter. I feel like sometimes it works as expected, but then there are times where I'll begin a successful counter, turn to face an adjacent enemy during that counter swing, and catch their sword with my teeth instead of it being blocked as I would've expected. It feels like there's some rule that I'm missing.
Anyway, thanks for the video!
There are no definitive timings for active parry, but we know how it works. For ripostes, it begins at the start of the riposte. For counters, it begins when the counter successfully counters.
Counters also last less/more active parry proportional to how fast the weapon is (faster weapons have less active parry, slower weapons have longer active parry)
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Didn't think you'd post so soon after your community post. Hope you're feeling better!
I'm not, but we power through 💪
Keep on keeping on man ❤️
If you haven’t already I would love to see a guide to jabbing as it’s kinda the only thing I have trouble with. Apologies if you already have a video about that!
Edit:Found it, such an awesome channel keep up the good work💯
Will do!
Thanks for video!
So does it mean that if someone after successful attack does heavy attack on me, I can just gamble and hit them? I believe this only works with fast weapons
1:47 Glad I'm not the only one who gets that skin bug haha
All too common 😔
Good video, but there is one thing missing: You did not tell that certain weapons/ weapon match ups can bypass initiative too. Best example would be a knive vs almost any twohanded weapon.
That's why I mentioned Quick and Delayed ripostes, which allow you to maintain initiative regardless of weapon matchup.
@@SoterDaveas a greatsword main yes and thank god
another great vid dave. unrelated, but i have a question about the one handed mace. what attack is the fastest and what attack has the most range? (aside from special)
Hmm. I think the stab has the most range? And I think the overhead is the fastest. Sorry, not sure.
@@SoterDave all good, i appreciate the reply regardless!
Can you do a video about reach speed and damage and how to use each of them in our advantage
A little too vague to work with, sorry 😔
I’m new to the game, but have played allot. In my experience, repostes don’t guarantee initiative - for majority of players are able to backup before I can swing after I’ve reposted their attack.
Need to counteract their footwork with your own
nothing more cool than blocking strike and kicking like a chad
Obvi
Hey Dave. I’m on console. Is the coaching only available to PC for any reason?
Coaching is available to anyone on any platform. But you will need to use Discord to coordinate it. Check out my services at mfy.gg/@dave for more info!
Maybe I'm just misunderstanding, but don't certain weapons also attack faster and thus have initiative even when you chain a combo. For example, if you use a greatsword you can't chain against a shortsword because they can just stab you in the face
nah although thats how it works out for most players that dont do some creative problem solving
If you're manipulating your attacks properly, you can maintain initiative regardless of what weapon the enemy is using.
my question is is kicking trash? i always read kicks and it guarantees a punish and even if i dont read it chances are i can dodge whatever attack he throws for the guard break, plus the kick itself might miss. I know the purpose of kick but isnt going around guard just better if you can do it? The only real situation i find it great in is when you outnumber one guy thats going super saiyan blocking everything, you just kick him so ur teamates attacks all go thru
Kicking is not trash. It's a great tool to utilize against predictable opponents.
Is it true that some one handed weapons are fast enough that, even with a successful riposte, they can still get a swing in before your riposte can hit? In the heat of fighting, I can't help if I instinct feinted into a different swing and THAT'S why or the weapon is just fast enough to beat my swing time.
It is true, but this issue can be circumvented. Ripostes can be outpaced by one handed weapons, but 'Quick Ripostes' or 'Delayed Ripostes' cannot. I would check out my video All Things Riposte for more information on this.
@@SoterDave Awesome, I'll do that now. Thanks for the response, appreciate it greatly!
@@CelerichPsalm no problem. Have a great day!
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Nice thumbnail
I thought so lol
can you make an all things gambling vid?
additional tip: If you jab someoens jab you gain initiative, landing a hit and following with a combo will not always work against very fast weapos
Not exactly, a jab collision does not grant you initiative with all weapons. It's not exactly neutral either, because technically the person who jabbed second can throw out their attack slightly faster, but it's not enough of an advantage to let you hit them first if you're using a slower weapon.
I would treat jab collisions as neutral.
Hi does initiative reset once you back away from eachother?
Basically, yes. You reset to neutral
0:42 lol I recognize that player's name. They're pretty good but I've killed them plenty of times.
Cannon fodder
I don't understand very well how sometimes the counter is very fast (0chace to block or counter it) and sometimes, not so much (adversary manages to block/counter it). A ''guaranteed'' counter is a very early counter (I guess ?) Or a very late one (a reward for being , well, late ? (More risks)). Thank you in advance !
This is what's referred to as an early counter, but it is totally blockable and counterable. There's no such thing as an unblockable counter, no matter how fast it is.
@@SoterDave ah understood, thank you !
is riposting multiple enemies really that advanced? i feel like once you can drag attacks its kinda the next natural step
Yes! Very little of the playerbase is capable of consciously manipulating their attacks to target multiple enemies
What’s your settings?
I'm thinking of making a video on it, but mostly default
I was just in a match with soter dave and he kicked my ass with a maul
haha I like the Maul
wouldn't an opponent missing an attack against you grant you initiative? or is that a different thing entirely
nope. you do not have initiative unless you perform one of the three actions mentioned (ripostes, counters, successful attacks) in fact, plenty of players will bait you into attacking by purposefully missing their first attack and then comboing it into another.
@@SoterDaveman u have some great points this is a huge part of my game, run up on someone with a big cleave miss turn away and when they inevitably come to my back its free, big part of my strat for dealing with big groups
"Successful attacks grant initiative". I don't think it's true for all weapon combinations. I.e. the highlander sword - which of course is an extreme example - can be easily interrupted by most of the 1h weapons after landing a hit. Hell, I remember being interrupted by the War Axe accel, not to mention the longsword. Same goes for all slow comboing weapons (except for most of the blunts due to stop on hit).
If you're manipulating your swings properly, you can be guaranteed a combo with the Highlander Sword or any slow weapon. Even against fast weapons! Just takes practice!
can i book one session pls i really do need training
Of course. Feel free to book whenever it is convenient for you
I swear i must be crazy but wasn't counters called perfect parry before or am i going crazy
You wilin
I’ve been using the maul and I can say that reposting does not give me a free hit 💀
You need to do it properly, meaning a quick riposte. I would also be sure to accelerate your attack by dragging and using proper footwork. You should be fine then 🙂
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lmao thanks
I did big fart
Epic!
Kinda bull when you use a slow ass weapon with initiative and a faster one hander still hits. Stupid.
You'll need to utilize what's called a quick or delayed riposte. It's extremely difficult, but you could learn more in All Things Riposte. You can also book a session if you'd like further explanation
I notice the highland sword still loses initiative when going up
Against faster weapons
You need to utilize a quick riposte or delayed riposte.
Maybe All Things Stamina in the future?
Hmm. Interesting suggestion