2016 Ram Power Wagon vs Ford Raptor: Suspension Flex Battle
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- ( www.TFLtruck.com ) 2016 Ram Power Wagon vs Ford Raptor: Suspension Flex Battle. The Power Wagon is a heavy duty off-road truck with a solid front axle and disconnect-able front sway bar. The Ford Raptor is a half-ton off-road truck with independent front suspension. Which can flex more? We find out with this ramp measurement.
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These trucks are designed differently, the Dodge is more of a rock crawler, the Ford is more of a desert racer.
+Croozer Exactly. Nothing else needs to be said. Plain and simple.
Ford is more of a piece of shit.
+Eric s ford for life bitch
They are not mutually exclusive. Neither of those trucks is a rock crawler: no sliders and no armor (cheap plate armor not counting). A long travel truck with armor will do both very well. However if you need to haul or tow heavy then the heavy duty Ram is the way to go. In fact, it's weight will be a detriment in many obstacles, any thing with loose traction like sand, gravel, mud etc.
Being a 2500 series truck, the towing isn't all that impressive due to the rear suspension set up. If you truly need towing/hauling capability, just go with the regular 2500.
Kent at 3:27....priceless hahaha 😂😂😂
+Mark I seriously did not notice it until you pointed it out
totally agree
good one Mr Truck!
Agreed. Lol.
You should do this challenge with a normal f150, Ram, and Silverado
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Yes.
+Daniel Lockwood Yes
+Daniel Lockwood Yes.
+Daniel Lockwood Yes please
Both are awesome trucks, thanks for the test. Oh and Mr. Truck, if you ever go off-roading leave your purse at home lol.
Thank you for respecting both trucks everyone has there own opinion on which is better but very rare people respect both trucks thank you :)
wish I could have that power wagon but we can all play the dream game
I would love to have that power wagon damn
Messing around with the trucks. .all good and keep having fun fellows.
+Shackles We love this stuff!
+The Fast Lane Truck when are you going to do a chevy review
3:25 "I think you got a couple more inches to go!" "Ookay. That's what she said.." Lmao!
I really hope these guys can get their hands on the '17 Raptor ASAP.
+Daniel Heller We are trying, but it will go on sale in the fall of 2016. So, it will be another few months...
The Fast Lane Truck Awesome.
Get all your feet in the door!
cool i was hoping they would get one to!
+The Fast Lane Truck did you guys ever review a Ram Runner? Is that package still available from Mopar?
+Aaa Zzz Ram Runner was a kit you bought to install on your vehicle, it's not available as a production vehicle.
At 3:29 Steve Carrell would be proud!
indeed
I don't care what truck manufacturer your in bed with. Chevy, Dodge, Toyota, Nissan or Ford. The Raptor is honestly the exception for all. I talk to Chevy and Dodge guys and even they understand that the Raptor is in a class of its own. Ford did this truck right. Cannot wait for the 2017.
+mobgma isn't it funny how it never won a race in the stock full class at the Baja 1000, as a matter of fact it got raped badly in 2012 by a Toyota TRD PRO and a Toyota Land Cruiser, the Raptor has a history of bending their frames
+guy proulx You have no clue. www.autoblog.com/2008/11/25/ford-f-150-svt-raptor-r-completes-inaugural-run-of-baja-1000/ This was years before Toyota did it. Also history of bending frames is only because people jump their trucks, nobody would dare jump their Toyotas. I propose a challenge you show me all the videos of guys abusing their Toyotas and i will show you all the videos of guys abusing their Fords, I promise there will be virtually no Toyotas even remotely abused in the same way as Raptors. Also the Raptor that did compete in Baja 1000 had to compete at a higher class. Also Ford completed the Baja 1000 with a regular 2015 F-150 ecoboost as well. Also TRD never finished the race in 2012 here's the link. www.trucktrend.com/events/163-1201-baja-series-toyota-tacoma-at-baja-1000/ People with Toyotas treat them like wet paper and therefore they last, people with Raptors treat them like they can't break, therefore we see some bent frames etc from guys going to dirtbike tracks and jumping their trucks. No Truck in production is as dedicated as the raptor for abuse, period.
Falcon 4917 let me inform you that you're the one with no clue, didn't you notice that i specifically mentioned the "stock full class", the Tundra won it in 2012, look it up, and send a link of the 2012 stock full class, there were only 4 trucks that competed in that class that year, a TRD PRO, a Land Cruiser, a Raptor and a Hummer that's it, what's the point of having a Raptor and jumping it if it can't take the abuse it was designed and engineered to do and bend the frame, only one explanation, Ford Raptor owners are idiots lol
guy proulx
Did you read the article, their TRD never made it, just saying just because a Raptor 1 year didn't make it doesn't mean it's crap, especially since it won it before Toyota did. Raptor set the standard, others are then seeing the success of the raptor and making their own. It wasn't designed for taking dirt bike track jumps it was designed and built for desert running. You can say raptor drivers are idiots, i won't argue that, but you can't say the raptor is crap because they do such crazy jumps. No other production truck is as capable for the purpose.
Falcon 4917 stock full class, Raptor never won in that class, look it up instead of talking BS, it NEVER WON it that class, if you lived closer to me i'd make a bet with you and i would win , the Tundra won in that class in 2012, look it up
I would be interested to see how the Chevrolet S10 ZR2 trucks made in the early 2000s would compare to the off-road versions of the trucks offered nowadays.
the ZR2 came with a boxed frame, along with a 4" wider track and 3" lift and a locking rear diff, so wouldn't it be the sort of "Grandfather" truck which paved the way for the Raptor and Power Wagon?
I think a better test would have been HEIGHT traveled up the ramp as distance will be different with different wheelbase vehicles.
That's what she said...LMFAO!!
I actually expected the power wagon to be low to mid 90s but 88 is damn impressive for a factory rig
+soaringtractor ok...and?
soaringtractor your right paying 30k more with out one is soooo much better lol
That was pretty impressive! You gotta do a Wrangler on this. You should also do an off-road mashup with these two trucks.
Great video. Mr Truck sounds like you need to stick to towing. A little to scared for crawling.
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Mr. Puss
The long travel rear suspension on the raptor helped and the ram having a longer wheel base helped a little. Plus having a solid front axel is a huge benifet. If the ram had the suspension travel in the rear the raptor had it would not of been remotely close. That was a cool review.
having a solid rear axle helped on the raptor on this. if all corners were independent suspension it might have got 70 inches before one of the corners was off the ground. for rock climbing its kinda like what do you want, a 3 foot pry bar or 6 foot long pry bar to move or climb the boulder. 6 foot rear axle is just a lever working like a see saw
Raptor still looks like a more off-road capable truck. But that Powerwagon is awesome
The Power Wagon is more capable.
+Countryboykerns Depends on the style of offroad. The Raptor is more nimble, for sure.
+parkourviewer
Power Wagon is a trail and rock climbing truck. The Raptor is a pre-runner/dune truck. Each is better at what it does than the other.
+DocWolph This is the truth. Apples and Potatoes here.
+parkourviewer Its a tough one since one is a 1/2 and the other a monster 3/4 with giant payload and towing but hard ride and massive weight (and fuel consumption!) I think its pretty cool Dodge makes the power wagon, real off road monster gear in a big 3/4, the motor has lots of power but it sure is thirsty, it really cries out for a modern diesel engine that doesn't have the weight of the big Cummins
Best 2 Offroad pickups plus they got the looks 👍🏻
who measure on ice ???
really guys :( Smh
You saw it first on the fast lane truck.
I would go with the Raptor, it looks great and does well at everything. May not win every category, but it holds its own. Where it does excel though, is just on the street. Very well optimized suspension, responsive steering and a wide track make it very stable for cornering at speed.
TFL, by my calculations, the Raptor actually out scored the Ram on this particular test. Though the ramp angle is different than later videos, shouldn't the math still be the same? I calculated the Ram score at 517 and 590 sway bar connected vs disconnected respectively. Meanwhile the Raptor scores a 601. I think this disproves the "accepted" solid axle vs IFS theory. Imagine how much better the Raptor could do with a sway bar disconnect.
best match up ever. as a F150 fx4 owner, front and rear lockers on the power wagon sure is intriguing!!
Love the vid, for a shorter truck the f150 did good
The old dude with the hat. WTF watching this was like having my finger nails pulled.
Power wagon flex is mostly in the front, and of course IFS raptor, all flex is in the rear. Remove the rear sway bar from the Power Wagon, you could probably drive up on to the bed of the trailer.
I'll take the solid axle truck any day!
Power wagon on 33 ?🤦🏻♂️need minimum 37! Tires , raptor on 35,
You're talking about the front suspension articulating a lot more on the Raptor, but I'm seeing a lot more roll in the body and less articulation in the front suspension in and of itself compared with the Power Wagon.
That's quite a flex Andre! Lucky you didn't poke out the cameraperson's eye with that bicep!
If you actually do the the RTI calculation the Raptor wins with a score or 600 and the Power Wagon scored a 591. The Raptor was 22.05" off the ground and the Power Wagon was 24.25". Very close scores when considering your look at a 3/4 ton and a 1/2 ton truck
That waa fun guys
thanks for mixing it up
the old guy reminds me of stinky pete from toy Story 😂
You guys should do this with the Tacoma, Tundra, and the Land Cruiser, I hear the current 200 series Land Cruiser sports a solid rear axle, so that would be interesting to see.
I don't think you read my comment right.
I don't recall stating these trucks didn't have one.
If you can read, I said I heard the 200 series Land Cruiser had one.
Love that raptor.
"That's what she said" -Mr Truck
lol i died
You should do this test more often!
The ground clearance is what wins for rock crawling in the power wagon. Like the said, the raptor is a baja style runner vs the power wagon that is just a brawler.
check out the difference in the contact patch on the front driver side tires on both trucks. big difference
TFL why don't you guys put the raptor on mid perch? Most raptor owners do that right from the start and you gain an inch in a half up front and a better ride imo
Now I’m a huge dodge guy but the raptor is in a complete class of its own
The raptor is a desert runner all terrain vehicle and the power wagon is a crawler Moab truck
They should have let the power go to the point of breaking traction like they did with the Raptor. If it ever would break traction before rolling over.
Power wagon better and more capable
And it looks a lot better
+Tmanthekid Team Scorpion If only it had a body colored grille...
+Tmanthekid Team Scorpion Not on jumping. More travel, but not meant for what the Raptor calls "My off-road fun." They have different capabilities. Look at the Ram's interior. Yuck.
+thundersnow 463 should let you get Laramie longhorn interior
It seem as if the Power Wagon would've been the better purchase over the Raptor for TFL. Especially after seeing all the head-to-heads, and specifically the RAM going up Gold Mine Hill.
TFL Power Wagon in the future? :)
Classic that's what she said....well played Kent...well played.
is the power wagon a heavy duty truck?
Good Compartment. Long ravel Vs. 4 Link rear. I thought it was going to be a lot closer
What's the difference in wheelbase between the two trucks? Seems like some valid info for this comparison!
Best I can figure there RTI scores were, RAPTOR 551, Power Wagon 591. FYI
they're both great trucks buy one that suits your needs. I'm a little biased I have an 11 Raptor I love that thing I plan on keeping it until it doesn't work anymore
That was pretty cool! Hope to see more like that
Why not disconnect the raptor front sway bar? I did that on my ifs ranger and it gained quite a bit
First of all, please look up how to calculate an rti score. It is based on wheelbase. Second, let the power wagon go up, you gave the raptor those few extra inches by letting it go until the wheel slipped, do that with the ram, I bet it'll go another 14 inches!
I wish they'd make the Power Wagon with the diesel, that would be my dream truck!
I was hoping after you had them up the ramp you would try to open and close the tailgate.
God, I want that Power Wagon so bad, can't wait till I upgrade my truck!
ill take your old one off your hands
This test is flawed. They don't have identical wheelbase or ride height. Both of which will have a major impact on how far up the ramp the vehicle can go. There are other variables as well that aren't addressed that can affect the outcome of the test. That makes this comparison , like most of the other ones on youtube, not worth a whole lot. Most of these test are made to show an advantage over another manufacturer. That losing manufacturer can turn around and make a comparison that shows their truck is better than the one they lost to just by changing the parameters of the test. In most racing situations chassis or suspension flex is not desirable. The Raptor is inspired by the best technologically capable offroad racing trucks in the world (called Trophy Trucks or Trick Trucks). Thus very little flex. This isn't really a flex test but a test of articulation between front and rear suspensions. Rock Crawler type vehicles show the most articulation in their suspension systems, They are typically solid axles front and rear.They're comparing Apples to Oranges here. The only thing thses videos are good for is for use as tools to determine what might be a better working truck for what you might use a truck for. all these trucks are good choices and none are necessarily better than another. The men in this test don't seem to understand that in my opinion.
I see your point but I disagree because this in not a laboratory or science experiment, this was a real world test and in this test the Ram went farther and higher up the obstacle. It has a longer wheel base and it's higher to start with and those are some advantages. What I will say though is that there are multiple real world tests that where that longer wheel base might be a detriment such as break-over angle etc.
This is an excellent test - I've learned something - thanks.
My two favorite Trucks oh shit
youre comparing bodybuilding vs aesthetics
You'll have to do the Toyota TRD Pro models and any Jeeps you get too.
LMAO "That's what she said"
someone is a lil bit scared of a slight twistion. lolol
is your video editor incapable of removing the FISHEYE from the video? its quite annoying...
Are you going to try the 2017 raptor vs the 2017 power wagon?
Good example of solid axle vs ifs
Wheel base is huge here. Throwing that in the Raptor is likely the winner.
nope, Ram wins
Quite the contrary if you understand suspension dynamics. The Power Wagon sat more stable on a narrower platform which doesn't allow it to usually sit as firmly planted and is more prone to rollover if the COG is equivalent.
Kent: "mono beam"? I've been a solid axle Jeeper s and Ram owner for 30+ years. Never heard that term before.
Narrower wheelbase, shorter wheelbase, 88": Power Wagon for the win.
And to the below comment questioning tire tread: the Power Wagon is on Goodyear Duratracs.
Quite the contrary if you understand suspension dynamics. The Power Wagon sat more stable on a narrower platform which doesn't allow it to usually sit as firmly planted and is more prone to rollover if the COG is equivalent.
Kent: "mono beam"? I've been a solid axle Jeeper s and Ram owner for 30+ years. Never heard that term before.
Narrower wheelbase, shorter wheelbase, 88": Power Wagon for the win.
And to the below comment questioning tire tread: the Power Wagon is on Goodyear Duratracs.
+Secured Circus They didn't even make a Crew Cab Raptor initially because SVT didn't want the longer wheelbase. The wider wheelbase is intentional for high speed baja racing, where you want that extra stability. Fact of the matter is the Raptor can go 60+mph offroad stock, while the power wagon can't. Not saying it is a better crawler than power wagon (though I'm told pretty comparable), but the PW's suspension has nothing on the Raptor.
+T4nkc0mm4nd3r Feels like you're trying to pick a CZcams comment fight, but there's nothing to argue (except Power Wagon for the win).
Two different intended uses.Raptor for the dunes and Power Wagon for the rocks and everything else..
so ram power wagon has coil springs in the rear thats one wierd truck but i kind of like it "not as much as i like the raptor"
p.s. you should do a flex test between the Jeep Wrangler Rubicon Unlimited and the raptor '' or the power wagon" or both
I hope these guys can get their hands on the 2017 f150 roush
Interesting test. Would rather see you measure the height of the wheel up the ramp. 88" up the ramp doesn't tell how much flex happened.
Not to be a smartass, but you could bust out that trig they taught you in high school and figure it out. They said the angle was like 16 degrees and they gave the length of the hypotenuse. But who am I kidding, I don't want to do the math either.
+ih1206 I didn't do trig in high school.
I think a tape measure would be easier.
should have disconnected the sway bar on the IFS one to see what happened then.
solid axle is love
you should make this a new segment
disconnect raptor sway bar.. I take my raptor on Jeep trails all the time and disconnecting sway bar helps
It sounds like this was your first time behind the wheel.
There built for two different things. There's no reason for the raptor to have a disconnect and stuff like that.
one is purpose built for actual rock climbing and off-road terrain. another is built for dune running and speed. you don't rock crawl with IFS...
They should have used the Ram Rebel 😄
My ears must be deceiving me. Did Kent just do a "that's what she said" joke?
The frame was flexing on the raptor to along with the suspension, come on ford!!
Kent is savage LOL.
It's all about the wheel base
ok so you pushed the raptor to the point that it pulled the rear tire off the ground but you did not do that with the power wagon why??
+noobtoob nooby The Powerwagon started lifting the left front first. The Raptor lifted the right rear first. Test was to see which lifted a tire first, not one specific tire.
The Opinion of Matt ok I just missed the front tire coming up then
How about ground clearance?
i want to see a 97-03 f150 to see how torsion bars handle it.
That's what she said!
Hahaha! That's what she said!! Great Vid guys!
you have a few more inches to go, "That's what she said!"
Ram POWER wagon yes indeed! I like!
They put a farm truck vs a rugged truck and it was a 8 inch difference
I guess with an 8 inch difference you can say the Ram has a bigger D
Where's Nathan
RTI test, really? Are we living in the 90s?
Keep in mind this is a 2014 vs a 2016 or 2017
+Dirtbiker220 2014 Raptor, 2016 ('15?) Power Wagon.
+thundersnow 463 i wasnt sure if it was a 2016 or 2015 my bad
They need a body colored bumper on the Power Wagon.
When are idiots going to learn that the power wagon and raptor are not comparable. Two totally different PURPOSE built rigs! TFL NEEDS TO STOP TRYING TO REVIEW TRUCKS!!!!!
do you guys knnow what the price point will be and towing capacity will be?
Thanks
+Brandon Ehrke no
Definitely the older guy who is doing the driving is a little bit out of his League. He is definitely hurting the channel and you need to have him replaced with somebody more in tune with the Job 👌