Can you solve the fantasy election riddle? - Dennis E. Shasha

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    After much debate, the realm has decided dragon jousting may not be the best way to choose its leaders, and has begun transitioning to democracy. Your company was hired to survey the citizens of the land and predict which candidate will win. There’s a lot riding on this: if you get it wrong, heads- well, your head- will quite literally roll. Can you predict the winner? Dennis Shasha shows how.
    Lesson by Dennis E. Shasha, directed by Igor Coric, Artrake Studio.
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  • @TEDEd
    @TEDEd  Před 3 lety +535

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    • @EntergeticalakaBot
      @EntergeticalakaBot Před 3 lety +3

      First! Hello, TED-Ed!

    • @bellamydog7640
      @bellamydog7640 Před 3 lety +1

      Second! Hi Ted Ed! I love your videos! Especially riddle videos! Also, can you do a video on why people like certain pets more than others. Ex: Dogs>Cats>Fish

    • @devathmad691
      @devathmad691 Před 3 lety +2

      Hate you ted.

    • @parthadeb5604
      @parthadeb5604 Před 3 lety +2

      Hey what about for second one we do account Head for none and tail for either one the polls might give a bit close result not sure please justify

    • @abhishah7139
      @abhishah7139 Před 3 lety +2

      Hey, this one doesn't make sense.
      If you're asking everyone to flip a coin, and always say "Troll" if it lands head, you're effectively not counting them at all because you don't even know if they support troll or tree.
      Say out of 100, 55 actually support trolls and 45 actually support tree.
      Now 50% of the population on random will get heads (always trolls). Let's suppose all who got heads actually preferred troll. You're result would still be 55 troll and 45 tree. Now you'll remove 50 trolls as 50% were forced troll. Your final result is 5 troll and 45 tree, a huge win for tree.
      But in reality, troll is still the majority. You're getting skewed results because you nullified 50% of voters. That's bad.
      This one doesn't make sense to me.

  • @SonicLoverDS
    @SonicLoverDS Před 3 lety +9325

    "Okay, so I want you to flip this coin twice. If you get two heads, say you support the troll. If you get--" (door slams)

  • @63emiliya
    @63emiliya Před 3 lety +5690

    The correct answer is to
    A: Ask the citizens to write down their choice anonymously
    B: Come home
    C: Count the results
    D. Tell the eyebrow your results
    E. Flee the country
    F. Start your job somewhere else

    • @bivcbmtgstgtssscqcrddgtrsm2257
      @bivcbmtgstgtssscqcrddgtrsm2257 Před 3 lety +142

      Yeah, why didn't he just do that?

    • @fluffy695
      @fluffy695 Před 3 lety +59

      @Meow Cat ok, so why can’t do it? An anonymous poll?

    • @fluffy695
      @fluffy695 Před 3 lety +105

      @Meow Cat why they lie if it’s anonymous

    • @63emiliya
      @63emiliya Před 3 lety +95

      @Meow Cat Wouldn't they lie in the poll presented by Ted as well? They could just as easily lie there too or change their minds afterwords

    • @fluffy695
      @fluffy695 Před 3 lety +60

      @Meow Cat do you even know what anonymous means

  • @arandompersonontheinternet5557

    Ted Ed : The Tree won!
    Me, who saw that the video still has 3 minutes of runtime : *Something’s wrong, I can feel it*

  • @PrashantKumar-nz6ih
    @PrashantKumar-nz6ih Před 3 lety +460

    Plot twist: The dragon was actually hired by the troll to kill the tree and he knew that majority will vote for him in the next election as he's a better candidate than the dragon. The dragon didn't want to win, he was just helping his friend.

    • @pustota7254
      @pustota7254 Před rokem +5

      true

    • @eisgnom7383
      @eisgnom7383 Před rokem +31

      That's not a plot twist that's pretty close to actual campaign strategies

    • @eomoran
      @eomoran Před 9 měsíci +7

      The spoiler effect is a thing. One example of this is in Australia where the Liberal party often doesn’t run candidates in Green or Labour areas to have them battle it out, making it easier for Liberals to get seats elsewhere. Sometimes one oft the two major parties will even find a way to financially support third parties as well

    • @asheep7797
      @asheep7797 Před 3 měsíci

      @@eisgnom7383putin

  • @bethjacobx
    @bethjacobx Před 3 lety +5057

    first i have to give away my life savings to a lying wizard, and now i have to walk around a whole kingdom and poll every house? this fantasy world seems like a lot of trouble...

  • @TristanSamuel
    @TristanSamuel Před 3 lety +3800

    This poor guy is subject to theft by a conman, oversleeping, and multiple *literal* death threats, just give him a break!!

    • @alex_zetsu
      @alex_zetsu Před 3 lety +41

      Wait, oversleeping and death threats I remember, who was the conman? Did you mean the wizard forced to tell lies?

    • @TristanSamuel
      @TristanSamuel Před 3 lety +36

      @@alex_zetsu Yes, he told lies and got money

    • @TheFerretofEarth
      @TheFerretofEarth Před 3 lety +15

      Poor little dude

    • @brnchiggins
      @brnchiggins Před 3 lety +26

      This polling company must have some awesome worker's benefit package given their employees don't just quit.

    • @invurret9533
      @invurret9533 Před 3 lety +2

      next time put the riddle against the troll in power.

  • @TheOriginalEwan
    @TheOriginalEwan Před 3 lety +136

    Therapist: “Eyebrow of Sauron isn’t real, it can’t hurt you.”
    Eyebrow of Sauron:

  • @golazomedia531
    @golazomedia531 Před 3 lety +252

    Just give those voters a little piece of paper and a pen, write down their favourite candidate secretly so that they don't feel ashamed, roll and put it into a box. Open the box at your home, count and translate it into a data. Repeat the polling process 5 times so the data can be closely accurate. Thank God your neck could easily be saved.

    • @Inkyminkyzizwoz
      @Inkyminkyzizwoz Před 3 lety +10

      That's what the actual election will do, so what's the point?

    • @golazomedia531
      @golazomedia531 Před 3 lety +24

      @@Inkyminkyzizwoz point is the solution in this video is not so practical.

    • @benurm2390
      @benurm2390 Před 3 lety +15

      @@Inkyminkyzizwoz The actual election will do it with everyone, not just a few people. Also there's a concern that people wouldn't take the poll seriously since it doesn't elect anyone, but I don't see how that is a problem.

    • @xiangli9588
      @xiangli9588 Před 7 měsíci +2

      Wouldn't work because they aren't able to tell that you are 100% honest. You could count the number of votes in the box, take their vote, and recount it and know who they voted for. This added layer of protection doesn't add any layers of protection, so your solution may as well be you take their vote and say it's anonymous.

  • @daichi1069
    @daichi1069 Před 3 lety +4029

    The riddle is brilliant and all but are we not gonna talk about the disembodied all-powerful eyebrow?

    • @drenz1523
      @drenz1523 Před 3 lety +76

      Without eyes, he will be useless then

    • @amogh6534
      @amogh6534 Před 3 lety +75

      Gollum, Mordor Polling Agency and Sauron

    • @kevinlane1219
      @kevinlane1219 Před 3 lety +16

      I would have used a fireball for this riddle, instead.

    • @kyanleong8014
      @kyanleong8014 Před 3 lety +8

      it’s brilliant cos it’s sponsored by it

    • @user-fd4qf1yu1f
      @user-fd4qf1yu1f Před 3 lety +16

      Orange troll= Trump
      'Experienced' tree= Biden
      Dragon= kamala
      *it's called PREDICTIVE PROGRAMMING everyone!*
      and once martial law is declared, he'll once again rule above this great country!
      btw, happy 200 years since the Greek independence to all!!!
      LONG LIVE the *UNITED STATES*
      LONG LIVE *HELLAS!*
      and may GOD BLESS US ALL!!!

  • @vighneshchavan9226
    @vighneshchavan9226 Před 3 lety +2988

    *"an giant orange troll & an experienced tree"*
    "I have seen that one before"

  • @jessicacat1206
    @jessicacat1206 Před rokem +42

    There is so much imagination involved in this riddle! Like, the all-powerful EYEBROW? I'm loving this!

  • @benatconde5742
    @benatconde5742 Před 3 lety +51

    Ok, the joke of "One sssilver dollar" made me laugh more than I thought

  • @Snommelp
    @Snommelp Před 3 lety +1826

    I mean, I know it's a riddle and not an actual polling strategy, but I feel like the real pragmatic solution would be to simply say "all respondents are 100% anonymous and there is no way to trace your answer back to you"

    • @MissLilyputt
      @MissLilyputt Před 3 lety +115

      Makes much more sense than using coins, hoping that you don’t get the door slammed in your face and having to make presumptions about how many times they got heads. What makes them even think that they will flip the coin to begin with?

    • @isabelhuang_1
      @isabelhuang_1 Před 3 lety +90

      They use this method in real scientific studies where the subject has to interact with an experimenter, or for topics that are especially controversial, to give subjects another layer of protection

    • @superlukey3
      @superlukey3 Před 3 lety +78

      @@isabelhuang_1 We actually used this in my Compilers course too. A week before a project was due, the instructor told everyone to make their computer generate a random boolean, tell the truth if it was a 1, and answer "Yes" to whatever the next question was if it was a 0. The question was, "Have you not yet started the project?" and he said that it's great because if you really haven't started the project you can just say to your friends "My computer made me say it!" if you are embarrassed, and it's more accurate than asking the question outright in his experience (even if we all covered our eyes).

    • @someoneunknown8778
      @someoneunknown8778 Před 3 lety +33

      What would your response be to: "Prove it."/"I don't believe you."/"You expect me to believe that, despite me telling my vote to your face, you do not know what I voted?"?
      Remember, you don't just need to convince them their vote cannot be identified by 3rd parties, you also need to convince them *you* cannot identify it.

    • @Lala47362
      @Lala47362 Před 3 lety +11

      ppl would still be embarrassed about having to say it directly to someone though

  • @LuminixsGameGallery
    @LuminixsGameGallery Před 3 lety +1291

    “Can you solve this riddle” YOU KNOW DAMN WELL I CANT.

  • @MrNotSpecified01
    @MrNotSpecified01 Před 2 lety +38

    I think the key condition that should have been mentioned is that polled people will be 100% honest on the result of their coin flip. Otherwise, everyone could have lied about flipping the coin and stated their real preference, and if you remove 50% of troll votes based on the assumption that they were all honest about the coin, you'd be very wrong.

  • @ElitePraetorian421
    @ElitePraetorian421 Před 3 lety +20

    "A giant orange troll and an experienced tree statesman"... I see what you did there lol

  • @mrjoestar2862
    @mrjoestar2862 Před 3 lety +833

    The answer is simple, just tell the voters that at least one of them has green eyes.

    • @jackywong9504
      @jackywong9504 Před 3 lety +51

      Wrong. Tell them that they will free your brother.

    • @RozArialind
      @RozArialind Před 2 lety +3

      it just works

    • @linusovery-smith4246
      @linusovery-smith4246 Před 2 lety +36

      @@jackywong9504 what if they say ozo though?

    • @pixelartkid7965
      @pixelartkid7965 Před 2 lety +36

      @@linusovery-smith4246 run over the bridge with the lab assistant.

    • @jasonwalter7133
      @jasonwalter7133 Před 2 lety +5

      I'm just picturing Dwight reading off the beginning of riddles and this comment thread as Ryan's interrupting responses.
      Dwight: A pirate...
      Ryan: Give a coin to pirates 3 and 5 and keep the rest for yourself.
      Dwight: DAMNIT!!

  • @reaperz5677
    @reaperz5677 Před 3 lety +1100

    "An orange Troll and an experienced tree"
    This is an American politics metaphor, isn't it?

    • @4444Ferris
      @4444Ferris Před 3 lety +31

      I dont know...
      if the results of the election make the people to scape to Narnia
      and the troll mandates a wall in betwin the fantaasy forest and the enchanted jungle...
      or maybe that would be to much on the nouse

    • @zonzaykay
      @zonzaykay Před 3 lety +60

      And the dragon is blue and murdered people to get there... The tree is bernie perhaps? Maybe I'm just reading too much into it

    • @alex2005z
      @alex2005z Před 3 lety +8

      Is the dragon spoilers?

    • @DanksterPaws
      @DanksterPaws Před 3 lety +18

      @@zonzaykay are you suggesting an assasination of Biden. I mean him falling up the stairs kinda looked like it, was just missing gunshot noises

    • @ntlespino
      @ntlespino Před 2 lety +4

      Could be British but with that member of Parliament in between

  • @Cyberlisk
    @Cyberlisk Před 2 lety +39

    For the second part, I think it would be more intuitive for the people (as they already answered your first poll) to flip the coin, and on tails tell you the truth, on heads a randomized answer, determined by a second coinflip.

    • @Serennekin
      @Serennekin Před 2 lety +2

      The problem is though is that you don’t know which answers are the randomized answers and which answers are the real answers. So you wouldn’t be able to narrow down anything.
      Say you decide to delete 50% of the answers to account for the randomized ones. You could very much be deleting the flips that told them to tell the truth, but you wouldn’t know it.
      You need a way to be fully certain that you can remove answers that are statistically likely to be wrong, while being able to keep majority of the truthful responses.

    • @Adventurer32
      @Adventurer32 Před rokem +7

      @@Serennekin But you do know which answers...
      you know that 50% of the time they'll get heads, meaning its a random answer. 50% of those answers will be for each candidate. Then just remove 25% from each parties total percentage of the vote to get the real ratio. Exact same as in the video.

    • @karlcole5617
      @karlcole5617 Před 10 měsíci

      that ends up having the exact same probability for everything

    • @karlcole5617
      @karlcole5617 Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@Serennekin doesn't matter, has same ratios

  • @boo7260
    @boo7260 Před 2 lety +3

    i just came up with telling the people to decide who’s heads and who’s tails and whichever it lands on is what they say. i think that’ll give them the opportunity to say who they actually support while they think you think it’s just what they flipped

  • @angelrobles7201
    @angelrobles7201 Před 3 lety +894

    For what I've read, no one is asking the real question here:
    How did a snake (an armless, legless being) manage to win a jousting competition?
    Also, who is it representing? The elven? The treefolk? The goblins?

    • @milklimousine4348
      @milklimousine4348 Před 3 lety +32

      Maybe there was a snake related coo

    • @malachibest463
      @malachibest463 Před 3 lety +12

      The tree represents the treefock troll for the goblins and dragons for the elves

    • @Anastas1786
      @Anastas1786 Před 3 lety +20

      Not having limbs is no impediment to a dragon jouster when he speaks a language partially-intelligible with the Dragon Tongue.

    • @angelrobles7201
      @angelrobles7201 Před 3 lety +24

      @@Anastas1786 True...
      But how did it manage to carry the lance, yet sit properly in the back of the dragon?
      I've started thinking it paid all of its money to that swindling, always-lying magician...

    • @a.w.4708
      @a.w.4708 Před 2 lety +1

      He represented Barack Obama if I understand it correctly (he can also be an alter ego of troll) cause it is all just not so subtle metaphore.

  • @steviegoodgravy8624
    @steviegoodgravy8624 Před 3 lety +415

    “Giant orange troll”.. subtle

    • @user-vn7ce5ig1z
      @user-vn7ce5ig1z Před 3 lety +24

      What? It's just his natural skin, definitely not a bad tan. 🤷

    • @mbici6969
      @mbici6969 Před 3 lety +20

      It's probably sun burn from his wall-building shenanigans

    • @funveeable
      @funveeable Před 3 lety +6

      Trolls don't build walls. They aren't intelligent enough so they tend to be hired as guards.

    • @lisahenry20
      @lisahenry20 Před 2 lety +1

      @@user-vn7ce5ig1z well someone edited a picture of trump to make see what he'd look like without the tan-I mean natural skin and I don't know whether it's just because we're used to how he looks, but the picture looked worse.

    • @oberlin27
      @oberlin27 Před 2 lety +1

      It doesn't even need to be. Anybody supporting an orange troll isn't watching anything mildly educational on here XD

  • @mohamedsamroud7678
    @mohamedsamroud7678 Před 3 lety +35

    Ted riddles be like :
    If Tom had 8 apples and Jack had an umbrella, What is the distance between Jupiter and Andromeda? 😭

  • @littleluketheninja6712
    @littleluketheninja6712 Před 2 lety +7

    1:30
    Some random guy: What have you got in your pocket
    The: Polling agency: A coin?
    Some random guy: Good *Points gun* now give it to me

  • @1.4142
    @1.4142 Před 3 lety +384

    One coin to rule them all, one coin to find them. One coin to flip them all, and in the darkness bind them.

  • @blueeye2281
    @blueeye2281 Před 3 lety +142

    That poor little tree fellow was allowed to walk for the first time and that flying lizard literally sent him to gulag.

    • @janicedsilva16
      @janicedsilva16 Před 3 lety +3

      Tragic, amiright?

    • @CrayRT
      @CrayRT Před 2 lety +1

      Wait... are you the all powerful eyebrow?

    • @blueeye2281
      @blueeye2281 Před 2 lety +5

      @@CrayRT No I'm the throne of the all-powerful eyebrow. the all-powerful eye.

    • @steampunkastronaut7081
      @steampunkastronaut7081 Před 2 lety +2

      @@blueeye2281 Great respose. An eye is just the throne for the eyebrow.

  • @WlngDlngBat
    @WlngDlngBat Před 3 lety +9

    To expand on the quote from the very beginning, since it’s one of my favorites of all time: “I mean, if I went 'round, saying I was an emperor, just because some moistened bink had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!”

    • @finnlewis6207
      @finnlewis6207 Před 3 lety +1

      Strange women lying in ponds distributin swords is no basis for a system of government!

  • @lololyoo5091
    @lololyoo5091 Před 3 lety +6

    1:36 one SSSilver
    Haha, get it? Cuz it’s a snake

  • @ideally07
    @ideally07 Před 3 lety +165

    I really like how there's actual lore to these riddles

    • @JESUSISLORD.........
      @JESUSISLORD......... Před 8 měsíci

      But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.
      1 Samuel 16:7, now how do we distinguish these people? Matthew 7:19‭-‬20 Jesus says Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
      God bless.😊😊😊😊

  • @vaishnavaramjass
    @vaishnavaramjass Před 3 lety +330

    Ted: Can you solve this riddle?
    Me: Ik I can’t but I still wanna see the answer

    • @johndoberman4970
      @johndoberman4970 Před 3 lety +9

      That's the wrong mindset dude, spend some time trying to solve all of them. I used to be really bad at it too but would at least spend a few minutes thinking about it before seeing the answer, now I can solve almost all of them.

    • @elijahronbelt3407
      @elijahronbelt3407 Před 2 lety

      @@johndoberman4970 thank you for the motivation

  • @BiblioBaker
    @BiblioBaker Před 3 lety +1

    Hey Ted Ed! I’ve been watching for like 7 years now and I think your so educational. I love showing my kids your videos!

  • @wjzav1971
    @wjzav1971 Před rokem +6

    Can we get a third part to this fantasy world? I honestly want to see where this goes.

  • @nisargvaghela7311
    @nisargvaghela7311 Před 3 lety +76

    "An orange troll and an experienced tree"
    Where have I seen that before...

  • @blueeye2281
    @blueeye2281 Před 3 lety +107

    Ah finally found my soul partner, the all powerful eyebrow.

    • @elbowsbuns1896
      @elbowsbuns1896 Před 3 lety +2

      Match made in heaven ♥️ can I come to your wedding?

    • @blueeye2281
      @blueeye2281 Před 3 lety +3

      @@elbowsbuns1896 yes absolutely! Date will be published as the blue brain wishes. But it is certain that it will be held on the blue face.

  • @reddbool1ng192
    @reddbool1ng192 Před 2 lety

    "You know the answer, but do you understand it to remember it again?" I love the riddles they have here i watched it awhile back and still dont know or remember the answer, its a great to go back n enjoy the video again

  • @The2Cat7Guy
    @The2Cat7Guy Před 3 lety +3

    I love these riddles! They are so fun!

  • @mice2188
    @mice2188 Před 3 lety +293

    So many Lord of the Rings references in this video. I love it.

    • @x-Abraham-x2
      @x-Abraham-x2 Před 3 lety +2

      Ikr!

    • @a.w.4708
      @a.w.4708 Před 2 lety +1

      It would be better if there would be only LOTR one...

    • @cipher3966
      @cipher3966 Před 2 lety +5

      Everyone gets the Harry Potter ones but never the Lord of the Rings

  • @nessabrewer2237
    @nessabrewer2237 Před 3 lety +660

    🔥A L L P O W E R F U L E Y E B R O W🔥

  • @aggrave790
    @aggrave790 Před 3 lety +5

    Can't wait for the next installment in the TCU (Ted-Ed Cinematic Universe)

  • @brianne4215
    @brianne4215 Před 3 lety

    i love these! i love the little series thats integrated into the riddle series! always impressed by the quality of your videos Ted-Ed

  • @heizousbabygirl4972
    @heizousbabygirl4972 Před 3 lety +14

    I love the continuity in these

  • @deanodama.5111
    @deanodama.5111 Před 3 lety +58

    Finally a riddle again! I love you, Ted ❤ you really make me handle this pandemic since so long

  • @andre_garay
    @andre_garay Před 3 lety +8

    Easy! You just have to tell everyone “At least one candidate has green eyes” , then you have to wait until the election.

  • @TheDressIsntGold
    @TheDressIsntGold Před 3 lety +1

    I love this riddle! Probably my new favorite

  • @khushiSingh-zw8rz
    @khushiSingh-zw8rz Před 3 lety +8

    Loved the LOTR references... All powerful eyebrow and incredibly gollum-like stranger going "what have you got in your pocket?) ;)

  • @grantzolldan
    @grantzolldan Před 3 lety +90

    So this relies on perfect probability from the coin flips AND that everyone tells the truth about their coin flip. Seems preeeetty flimsy, especially if it was a close race.

    • @randomname285
      @randomname285 Před 3 lety +26

      It says in the conditions that everyone will tell the truth (its a logic problem not a pragmatic one), and if you repeat it enough times the law of large numbers dictates you'll be able to get the error from a perfect probability split small enough to predict the results with the required accuracy, especially if there is 10 points between the candidates as seen here

    • @vishvpower9330
      @vishvpower9330 Před 3 lety +1

      In pragmatic world you would ask them to go in the house and assign each side an candidate and ask them to vote for it and tell you the same.This will give them deniability bcs coin decided and thus they will tell thier true preference(if they really want us to live)

    • @grantzolldan
      @grantzolldan Před 3 lety +1

      @@randomname285 Yeah you're right for the most part. I probably wouldnt have commented if they hadn't used a few hundred people as an example.

    • @smk77097
      @smk77097 Před 3 lety +1

      But we're using the coins. Which means you don't know how many of the people actually support the troll/dragon because they're coin could have flipped to tails or heads.
      And the vid said everybody wants to help you.
      So I don't see why this wouldn't work.

    • @felixjangross
      @felixjangross Před 3 lety

      I wonder if it would be better to use the standard deviation to estimate a range instead of just the mean, and then use that range to determine a dominance of one of the candidates. That would at least eliminate the perfect coin flip probability.

  • @Pati-bk8xr
    @Pati-bk8xr Před 2 lety

    I for once knew this one because they actually use this method in conservation when surveying things like bush hunting in rural communities.

  • @Spirit451
    @Spirit451 Před 2 lety

    Brutal! Absolutely brutal! In one ear and out the other.

  • @firedropcutie
    @firedropcutie Před 3 lety +16

    Finally, a sequel to a riddle! I hope the green eyes riddle gets a sequel next

  • @Imirui
    @Imirui Před 3 lety +5

    “all powerful eyebrow”
    great character 50/50 100/100 would watch again

  • @thomaslaganda1840
    @thomaslaganda1840 Před 3 lety

    Thanks for this type of riddle, much more interesting!

  • @Yevgen4000
    @Yevgen4000 Před 2 lety +4

    0:19 this says a lot about society

  • @Luffy_wastaken
    @Luffy_wastaken Před 3 lety +15

    0:28 Wow! You made a accurate prediction of how I look!!!

  • @eddycabreja3332
    @eddycabreja3332 Před 3 lety +46

    Man, now I really want a continuation for the Ragnarok riddle, or the penniless pilgrim riddle, or the sorting hat riddle.

    • @mathguy37
      @mathguy37 Před rokem

      Or the popular one

    • @darealmrman2266
      @darealmrman2266 Před 6 měsíci

      the trojan war is actually he prequel tp the ragnarok riddle iirc

  • @mrchoco4605
    @mrchoco4605 Před 3 lety +59

    Giant orange troll: Trump
    Experienced tree statesman: Biden
    Nice one, Ted.

    • @lauren9536
      @lauren9536 Před 3 lety +4

      you need to stop watching politics, you're gonna make some ppl angry

    • @a.w.4708
      @a.w.4708 Před 2 lety +3

      @@lauren9536 yet he is right... This Riddle is REALLY suggestive in this term.

    • @abledkey
      @abledkey Před 2 lety +5

      I think it was supposed to be Trump as the Troll, Bernie as the tree, and Hillary as the dragon 😂

    • @casshernsins8333
      @casshernsins8333 Před rokem

      @@abledkey exactly. As Bernie would’ve won the dnc candidacy but the dnc shorted Bernie and gave it to hilary

  • @Quantum_Onions
    @Quantum_Onions Před rokem +2

    1:38 threaten that you will beat the person with the coin if they don’t tell the truth. Think smart, not hard. 😂

  • @carsondubs
    @carsondubs Před 3 lety +16

    This is like 2016. Orc is Trump, Bernie is the Tree and Hillary is the Dragon that "legally" kills the Tree for the canidate spot

  • @jessikamccowan
    @jessikamccowan Před 3 lety +9

    The coin definitely helps with how you can accurately get an idea of what possible outcomes are available, at least mathematically. Getting to understand human emotions towards politics is a different beast entirely and always too complex. Love this illustration on both sides

  • @sushilrai1929
    @sushilrai1929 Před 3 lety

    I liked the markings on the coin......
    "One Sssilver dollar"...awesome attention to a smlaa detail...

  • @hopeadjei5293
    @hopeadjei5293 Před 3 lety +1

    i’ve been wating so long for another riddle. i never get them right but there fun to watch 😃

  • @cialibb
    @cialibb Před 3 lety +11

    i remember learning about the first half of this riddle in my statistics class in hs! it's a common technique, except participants will mark whether they got heads or tails on a sheet out of sight instead of leaving the percentages to chance

    • @maxastro
      @maxastro Před 2 lety

      If you poll a large enough number of people, you don't need to know who flipped what - the results will be indistinguishable from an even 50/50.

    • @RGC_animation
      @RGC_animation Před 2 lety

      That's why you flip the coin yourself.

    • @RGC_animation
      @RGC_animation Před 2 lety +1

      @@maxastroPretty sure it isn't, or else every single video on CZcams would basically have the same amount of likes and dislikes (also rip dislikes).

    • @maxastro
      @maxastro Před 2 lety

      @@RGC_animation It's not random chance whether someone likes or dislikes a video, though.

    • @RGC_animation
      @RGC_animation Před 2 lety

      @@maxastro Oh you mean coin flipping, ok then.

  • @joermnyc
    @joermnyc Před 3 lety +73

    Your job isn’t to beat the dragon, your job is just to outrun the orange troll.

  • @spencerthegarfieldfanboy
    @spencerthegarfieldfanboy Před 3 lety +1

    0:25 why is this so funny to me
    “All powerful *EYEBROW* “

  • @Rawiral
    @Rawiral Před 3 lety

    CZcams recommended this to me, i dont want to watch your videos anymore but it keeps recommending to me and i cant stop clicking the videos...

  • @alien-x0815
    @alien-x0815 Před 3 lety +7

    3:14 uhhh what a constitution

  • @lillianruan9801
    @lillianruan9801 Před 3 lety +39

    Short answer: No.
    Long Answer: Still no.

  • @arnavaggarwal5497
    @arnavaggarwal5497 Před 3 lety +2

    In the second part, 25% of total votes are due to coins being HH or TT, thus we subtract equal number of votes from both sides (25% of total).
    If our opinion poll is x>y initially , then after subtracting equal number from both sides, it will still be x > y, thus making this extra step redundant.
    We can directly say that 105 votes for troll beat 95 votes for dragon.

  • @aarsh0608
    @aarsh0608 Před 2 lety +1

    Very life changing, mudiji

  • @MarlowPreston
    @MarlowPreston Před 3 lety +13

    So the Orange Troll is obvious, but is the Tree Bernie, and the Dragon Hillary?

    • @benjaminford8173
      @benjaminford8173 Před 3 lety +3

      The dragon would be Biden IMO

    • @lilorange3647
      @lilorange3647 Před 3 lety +2

      Something tells me that the dragon is Harris, takes over right after biden wins and is super unpopular immediately after... hope this comment ages well ;)

    • @maltt8715
      @maltt8715 Před 3 lety +2

      well the dragon and hillary have one thing in common
      they both murdered someone

  • @l3wismoreman9227
    @l3wismoreman9227 Před 3 lety +4

    Set in the same world where we had that riddle in that jostling tournament

  • @manya6879
    @manya6879 Před 3 lety +22

    Stranger: What have you got in your pocket?
    Apparently you: * pulls out silver coin *
    Also stranger: Mmmmm, shiny 🤩

  • @Ankit1903
    @Ankit1903 Před 3 lety +1

    Brilliant! King Rattle and sssilver coin 😂
    Apart from the puzzle itself, I love the attention to detail

  • @dailydoseofmedicinee
    @dailydoseofmedicinee Před 3 lety +12

    One of the brain benefits of puzzles is that they increase the production of dopamine, a neurotransmitter that regulates mood, memory, and concentration. Dopamine is released with every success as we solve the puzzle.👍

  • @ingewidya4724
    @ingewidya4724 Před 3 lety +18

    I never clicked faster than a ted ed video notification pop up about a riddle that i definitely can’t finish 😂

  • @smitchered
    @smitchered Před 3 lety +2

    I can now die in peace. This important question in my life has at last been answered.

  • @vincenturquhart1370
    @vincenturquhart1370 Před 3 lety +3

    They are finally doing double riddles where you don't have to go to brilliant to see the answer to the second one

  • @amrica5298
    @amrica5298 Před 3 lety +4

    For the second, I’d have them flip 1 coin. If heads, they give their real answer. If tails, they flip again to give a predetermined answer. Same statistics, 1/4 fewer flips on average, easier for respondents to remember without 2x2 chart.
    This single coin flip model (not the one I proposed above) is how they poll disgraceful questions about spousal abuse and other crimes.

  • @suhaneegupta814
    @suhaneegupta814 Před 3 lety +16

    My answer for the second riddle: Just tell them to say Troll for heads and Dragon for tails. But each time, say this sentence, "You know, this system is flawed. U flip the coin and I don't know if u got heads or tails. So u could say Troll and I'd never know if u actually like him or it's the coin" As much as I know people, most will tell their true preference. Ted Ed, the riddle was statistic, but otherwise, what do u think of this?

    • @nilsjonsson4446
      @nilsjonsson4446 Před 3 lety +3

      - This assumes that dragon and troll supporters are equally likely to lie about the dice roll.
      - If the poll is meant to be 100 % random (they're supposed to tell the coin result), it's not really meant to predict voter support, they'd have little incentive to lie.
      - Baselessly assuming that the supporters are equally likely to lie, you'd still have no idea about the result more than what side has the majority. 51 % said troll, does that imply that most lied and the election will be very close, or that very few lied and the troll will win almost every vote?

    • @furyanakashi1159
      @furyanakashi1159 Před 3 lety +1

      I have another answer: you tell them to lie for Tails, then you just have to give 50% of the votes for the dragon to the troll, and vice versa.

    • @nilsjonsson4446
      @nilsjonsson4446 Před 3 lety

      @@furyanakashi1159 Doesn't work. With 50 % lies you will always have a 50/50 result since every person is 50 % likely to answer troll (true or false) and 50 % likely to answer dragon. E.g. 100 % want dragon, you get a 50/50 result (since 50 % lie), and redistribute half of both sides, to 50/50 again.
      If you make them flip twice and lie 25 % of times, you can calculate the actual result, but it's a much more complicated formula than the video's suggestion.

    • @furyanakashi1159
      @furyanakashi1159 Před 3 lety

      @@nilsjonsson4446 Yes you're right my bad ^^

    • @suhaneegupta814
      @suhaneegupta814 Před 3 lety

      Guys ur getting statistic. Think psychologically.

  • @lordflarus
    @lordflarus Před rokem +1

    With Heads/Tails and Tails/Heads being the same result, wouldn’t it be 1/3 odds for the truth to be told by the voters?

  • @crestfall123
    @crestfall123 Před rokem +1

    LotR references:
    1. Dormor - Mordor
    2. The gray guy who asks what you have in your pocket - Gollum
    3. One sssilver dollar - My preciousssssss
    That's all I saw. Lmk if you saw something I didn't

  • @bogdangiusca5057
    @bogdangiusca5057 Před 3 lety +14

    For the second riddell.(p.s did not watch)
    If you had everyone flip the coin twice
    If its two heads they say the dragon
    If its two tails they say the troll
    If its a combination they tell you there opinion.
    50% of the votes are acuret. We subtract 25% from each candidate.
    Edit: can't believe i got ut right.

  • @reymundalagos9889
    @reymundalagos9889 Před 3 lety +3

    Two riddles in one video? Thanks!

  • @kolobanovmedal
    @kolobanovmedal Před 3 lety

    Finally season 2 of all those riddles.

  • @Irfan-kx8mj
    @Irfan-kx8mj Před 3 lety +1

    I love ted ed riddles please make more

  • @vex3488
    @vex3488 Před 3 lety +4

    How could you subtract all the head results as you don’t know if they would have supported either candidate? There is the possibility that all the head flips supported the troll or tree fully, leading to a great margin of error.

    • @alam5055
      @alam5055 Před 3 lety

      Well, of course it could happen that most of the tree or troll supporters get heads, but with such a large number of asked people it's very unprobable. Looking at this probability-wise, a troll supporter and a tree supporter have the same probability of getting the heads, so the number of troll and tree supporters that get the heads will be similar as number of troll and tree supporters that get the tails - not necesarilly the same, but there shouldn't be any drastic differences. And the margin of error is acceptable as you don't have to be 100% accurate with your predictions. So that's why we can substract all head results

  • @shreyaskumaragarwal3343
    @shreyaskumaragarwal3343 Před 3 lety +10

    The Giant Orange Troll. I get what you did there. 😂😂.

  • @praveenyadav6813
    @praveenyadav6813 Před 3 lety

    It's surprising that I was reading about differential privacy and this riddle comes along. This method basically gives the candidates a plausible deniability that they were doing what the coin told them to do. Since we have no way of knowing the coin flips, he could give a fixed answer or honest answer. So the coin flips adds random noise to the distribution but since we know the expectation of coin flips we can remove this noise and get the correct result without violating the privacy of the candidate.

  • @shivanshgarewal2833
    @shivanshgarewal2833 Před 2 lety +1

    When I see the name "Dennis E Shasha " I immediately remember of Our potato girl

  • @rextanglr4056
    @rextanglr4056 Před 3 lety +20

    It's not everyday when TED-Ed makes a sequel riddle.
    Also, plot twist: a wizard resurrects the treefellow and found out who killed them. What now?

    • @lauren9536
      @lauren9536 Před 3 lety +4

      the dragon dies because murder is not pog

    • @rubinthepig1218
      @rubinthepig1218 Před 3 lety +2

      They vote for dragon and they eject him

  • @KnakuanaRka
    @KnakuanaRka Před 3 lety +5

    I came up with a different solution to the second part: everyone flips the coin twice. If they get two heads, they lie, otherwise they tell the truth. This makes 1/4 of both groups lie, so you could make a system of equations to determine exactly how many people actually support each side§, but the side with the majority of votes should say the same.
    § If T and D are the number of people who vote for each candidate, and T’ and D’ are the number who actually prefer each candidate:
    T = .75T’ + .25D’
    D = .75D’ + .25T’
    3T = .75D’ + 2.25T’ (multiplying the first equation)
    -(D = .75D’ + .25T’)
    3T-D = 2T’
    T’ = 1.5T -.5D
    And the equation for D’ is analogous.
    So to determine the number of people who actually prefer a candidate, multiple the number of votes for them by 1.5, and subtract half the number of people who didn’t vote for them.

    • @jakistam1000
      @jakistam1000 Před rokem

      That's a better solution, because larger fraction of population will present their accurate beliefs, leading to more accurate poll.
      Of course, you could have them flip the coin even more times. If, for example, everyone would flip the coin 5 times, and lie on 5 heads, then 31/32 of the polled would say their actual preference.
      You shouldn't overdo it, though. If you asked everyone to flip the coin 20 times, and lie on all heads, the odds of them lying is 1 in a million. That's not really plausible deniability.

    • @KnakuanaRka
      @KnakuanaRka Před rokem

      @@jakistam1000 Well, given what you said about plausible deniability, that does make the video's suggestion better than mine.
      With the video's solution, 25% of the total population is made to lie in favor of each side, so even if everyone who voted genuinely was in favor of one side, they'd still have good deniability (eg, if it was 25% forced troll, 25% forced dragon, and 50% true dragon, there's still only a 2/3 chance that someone who voted dragon said so genuinely), and in a more even vote, both sides have about a 50% chance.
      With my option, however, 25% of both sides lie, so in an even race, any one person's vote has about a 75% chance of being sincere, making it less deniable. If the vote is less even, the minority gets more deniability, but only a little, and the majority's deniability gets even worse; getting to even the worst-case 67% of the other method for the minority requires an imbalance of at least a 40-60 split, while the best-case 50% requires a 25-75 split.

  • @bbbhegli7997
    @bbbhegli7997 Před 3 lety

    More riddles!

  • @drenz1523
    @drenz1523 Před 3 lety +5

    Only OG's remember the small lil' guy from the dragon jousting riddle
    He is back

  • @yonathank132
    @yonathank132 Před 3 lety +30

    Lmao I’m not gonna ignore the prediction of the blue dragon wiping out of ‘the old tree man’. If anything happens to Joe, Ted Ed said it first lmao

    • @Iris-ft3lr
      @Iris-ft3lr Před 3 lety +2

      I'M DYING FROM LAUGHTER JSKJKSJKSJKSJSJSJJS

    • @alphasword5541
      @alphasword5541 Před 3 lety +3

      Feels more like Bernie was the tree and Biden the dragon, then again the troll won

  • @dbrlshdqks0272
    @dbrlshdqks0272 Před rokem

    wow! this is so fun!

  • @sebastianelytron8450
    @sebastianelytron8450 Před 3 lety +3

    I don't get it. How can you subtract 50% when within those 100 people there can be legitimate troll voters?! 🤔🤔🤔

    • @baden6370
      @baden6370 Před 3 lety +1

      If the distribution is uniform, then it is feasible

    • @Darkev77
      @Darkev77 Před 3 lety +2

      But in the same time they could be tree voters. What this method is basically doing is saying: if you get heads, I’m not going to count your vote, but if you get tails you *have* to tell me your actual vote. This way, you guarantee that all your votes are real votes without anyone lying to skew your results. So you basically shifted the bias from troll voters to bias in the whole voting distribution

  • @sourtm5916
    @sourtm5916 Před 2 lety

    this is the only riddle where i actually figured out what you would have to do.

  • @QHu-kx1tr
    @QHu-kx1tr Před 2 lety

    This is a very wonderful idea

  • @star_friend
    @star_friend Před 3 lety +3

    The one real candidate it's a fire eye at the peak of mountain.

  • @anatine_banana_69
    @anatine_banana_69 Před 3 lety +16

    This has a Monty Python reference in the title card yet TED-ed failed to include one in the last video, The Spanish Inquisition

    • @z.m.6053
      @z.m.6053 Před 3 lety +4

      Pretty unexpected, eh?