BATHROOM DESIGN ISSUES.. Is the customer always right? 1st Fix PLUMBING starts on this job
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- čas přidán 10. 09. 2022
- Bathroom design and layout can be a huge part of fitting a bathroom as it will determine how the rooms looks…. This job is a perfect example.
The customer wants it a certain way however I think it may be too much and overpower the room..
Also the 1st fix plumbing, Pipework and waste pipes go in on the job aswell as the bath and shower tray
#bathroom #design #problem
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good work mark, the shower is hideous, with the full window in it! such a bad position.😂
Yep they just wanted to cram it all in🙈
Another great video Mark I always look forward to watching them.
Thanks as always John 👍🏼👌🏼
Nice one Mark. Thanks for the new content. Hope you and the family are all well.
Thanks Craig…. Glad you enjoyed it buddy
Love your videos. I can watch them all day 👍🏽👍🏽
Thanks mate 👍🏼👍🏼
Very informative video, thanks
Thanks buddy 👍🏼👍🏼
Cracking video Mark.....I agree about being to crowded in the bathroom 👍
Thanks mate…. Tight isn’t it🙈
Love the tip regards the bar mixer mate, defo be using that from now on 👌
Great video as ever mate keep em coming
Thanks Adam…. It’s a great little tip😉
I'm always impressed with the way you plan your jobs. Another one spot on.
Thanks Kevin 👍🏼👍🏼
Great video Mark really enjoyed it
Thanks Robert👍🏼👍🏼
I’m with you on that tray mate, intrigued to see that bathroom finished
And me 🤣🤣🫣
Hi Mark,
A great film yet again thank you, yep the shower tray and the bath edge look very close, especially for a tiled bath panel.
Like you say that’s what the customer requests, I like the tip on marking up the boat level for the shower valve.
Have a great time at the tool show, take care, regards, Chris. 👍👍👍
Thanks Chris…. Hope your well pal👍🏼👍🏼
top vid as usual mate & top work
Thanks Winnie 🙏🏼
Another cracking bathroom job Mark, but I agree with you it's to much having a separate shower 👍🚿
Thanks Miles….. yep I think it’s the wrong layout
Great video again mark yea I’m saying the same as you about the shower
Thanks buddy, glad you liked it👍🏼👍🏼
you are 100% right about the bath and shower so close together , bad idea bleeping crap
Yep….. I just think it’s going to look so so cramped in
nice work mark as always keep it going buddy 👍
Thanks Mike…. Hope your all well buddy👍🏼
Great video mate. Re getting the correct pipe centres fo the mixer valve, I keep hold of the mira hard plastic pipe templates that come with there bar mixers, there set at 150mm and Just screw them to the noggin and level up. Perfect every time and reusable. Keep the up the great work. Rob
Great video as always Mark, I agree with you with the layout, I think it does look too tight. It still may end up looking really good in the end though and I'm sure you will work your magic for the customer. Have a great time at the tool fair mate
Thanks Tom, hope your well.
You know when you just know it’s not going to work…. And try and advise but they are blinkered into why they want..
Hopefully it will look good as you say buddy
Nice job Mark 👍
Thanks buddy
I'm forever chasing my tail on leveling baths too! Also great idea with marking up the boat level for the shower. I've been using those angled bar mixer wall brackets but they're about £35 now!
Yer it’s a cracking little tip 😉
Great tip with the shower mate, I’ll be doing the same in the future 👍
Thanks buddy 👍🏼👍🏼
That boat level tip is mint 👌
Cracker isn’t it😉
Level timber at height on the back wall and level off from that the 2 sides, bosh! Saves the back edge dropping
👍🏼👍🏼 yep I always use a baton on the back
Loctite 577 works very well on the threads for shower mixer and rad valves it's perfect save me so much time when I'm on a price onsite not touched normal loctite in a while defo give it a try 😊
Need to gone it a try
Love the video , yep I have been there chasing the level on bath last one I thought why am I doing this !! I like you always put battens on the wall so last one I did I set my height fitted the battens then just sat the bath on the battens and then dropped the feet down to meet the floor 😊 worked like a dream bang level 😂 . As I say love the videos all the best mate 😊😊 ps that is sooooo tight you’re so right too much !!
Thanks Russell… glad you like the content.
Yer battens are a must imho
I've used Loctite 577 and it's brilliant.
Will have to give it a go
nice work man
Cheers Dave 👍🏼
Good first fix mark and good top tips as always. The green thread sealant is anaerobic sealant, I use it on loads of threads, Part number 4373J from screwloose. I knew you would mention about the soil pipe colours, what does it matter 😆😆 as long as your not running brown waste up the side of walls outside as it's not uv stable to sunlight your alright.
Thanks mate…. Just wanted to cover it before the color police “pipe up”….🤣😉😉
I always put my timbers on the wall first set to the correct height for panel ect then drop bath in and set the feet so all is level. I find that a quicker way instead of putting in and taking it back out to then brace it and put back screw down and seal ect
Yep Batons make a big difference
Hi thanks for another great video agree with lay out , can,t stand showers in front of windows!!
Thanks Trevor….. nope neither do it buddy
You're right about the layout. This is where CAD can deliver the reality check.
Yep…. And the “designer” needs sacking
@@MJTiffPlumbing but surely these people are starting with a floorplan?
my "knack" for fitting a bath is I batten the two walls with some stud work (thin piece across tap edge so you're not blocking yourself from installing the taps) then as soon as that's level you can lower the feet to the required height. boom it's level and provides extra support and no sagging of the bath especially if there's a shower going over it, no leaks and no squeaks.
Great video as always mate, was thinking he's making this harder for himself on a few bits, then saw what you were doing at the end and it all made sense, like you said we've all got our own way of doing things
Yep always Batten out baths, makes them so much better👌🏼
That shower tray and bath positioning 🤪 “ the customer is always right!” 🤣
Until they are wrong😉
Hi MJ, Carron baths used to advertise with a 7.5 ton truck sat on a bath under each wheel to show their strength which is probably why they don't bother with a central leg because the base plate is much thicker and I think ply as opposed to chipboard.Good baths made in Scotland I think and stay hot much longer than most but they aren't cheap 😁
Yer you can tell they are a proper bath just by how they feel👌🏼👌🏼
Loving the truck advertising campaign
The shower is so close to the bath it will be difficult to switch the bath taps on without treading in the shower!! Also the shower is under the window so there will be strange shadows on the curtains looking from outside. Not a good floor plan I agree.
Good video Mark, the customer can clean themselves in the shower then step straight into the bath to soak.
Indeed mate
Tidy work again Mark i do agree with you that the bath and shower are to close together hope it turns out ok for you
Thanks Glyn, yep you just can’t tell some people🙈
nice job there mark how you doing all well atb
Thanks buddy….. yes mate I’m all good 👍🏼👍🏼
Good job mate...but look forward to seeing it finished....when the customer says they should of listened to you!
Hahaha….. they could very well be saying that buddy
Another great video Mark, you explinations are always clear and to the point. My preference is for completely concealed pipe work . As far as the shower goes, if this was for me I would go with just a large shower enclosure. However, I appreciate that for some a bath is required. Looking at the room as is I would turn the shower tray through 90 degrees and swap its position with the basin. Then possibly put the toilet in the corner with the basin between it and the shower. It’s hard to be sure not knowing the dimensions. It is the clients choice at the end of the day, but, I think they might regret having the window in the shower!
Keep these great videos coming.
I think they will aswell buddy…… but what do we know eh🫣
My comment above agrees with yours. How can the bath taps be turned on without treading on the shower tray? Slip hazard as well as jolly inconvenient.
Cracking vid as per usual shower tray does look a bit close but hey ho their choice 👍👍👍😎😎😎
Thanks buddy…… not great is it🫣
Great video,job mark,what dja think about the new building regs part L,where they state every pipe should now be lagged,in voids, floor ceiling spaces, gonna be more cost for customers. Customer should of had the shower tray longways,then there would of been a gap between bath.
Yep, for new builds/systems that right…. Going to push the prices up on a lot of work
Great video as always… deffo go for a bath and a shower over it… I know it’s not your choice but I don’t like how tight it all looks. Customers always right even when they are wrong lol! Looks a decent job that though mate. Something to get stuck into! Take care mate! Marc
Completely agree Marc 👍🏼👍🏼
I think you are right about it being a bit tight, how you going to get to the bath feed if need be. Great job though Mark.
Will be accessible from behind where the Pipework is…. But yer it’s a very odd design
The easiest way I’ve found to level a bath is to set your bath strap to the correct height and make sure it’s level, put the bath in, having it on the strap. Then start with the legs loose and start from the back left corner (left side of the overflow) to the right side of the overflow and level that. Then level from the front side where the handles for some baths are. Level the bottom part and you’re good to go. Your back legs should just need to be pulled down and secured.
Starting with the a level strap makes it super easy for me!
Yep that makes sense, just about how I do it..👍🏼👍🏼
If that's what the customer wants! Not for me though to much.
Interesting to see It when completed 👍🏴
Yep, I’m interested to see what it’s going to look like aswell🤣🫣
I have been using the liquid ptfe for some time now but with tape aswell. I dont quite trust it on its own. Also JG and flomaster do some nice male iron to plastic connections. Have used on shower valves/taps etc👊🏼👍🏼
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In Ireland we would run 22 right to last and 15 to branches goin up just for more volume if all service's bein used at same time
No 22 feeds to get onto with this one…. Pressurised system so not a problem👍🏼
Clasi seal on shower tray is a must for me ,then tanked
To be honest I’m not a huge fan of Classi-Seal, seen some issues with them.….
Stick to what I know works 👍🏼👍🏼
@@MJTiffPlumbing I seen tilers cut the corner before and cause issue
I'm not a plumber but really enjoying watching your videos. Thanks for the content.
Question
Can you zigzag the hot water pipes round the bathroom as underfloor heating?
Thanks buddy… glad you like the content.
No mate, that’s not the done thing I’m afraid
Great content Mark, layout is hideous.... but like you said customer always right.
Personally I never but a shower around the window area.... asking for trouble IMO.... Mark don't justify your way of working ... everyone works in different ways ... you can tell by the way some folk complain that they have never been a tradesmen.... each to there own... stay safe brother 🙏
Thanks Kevin…. Appreciate that buddy 🙌🏼🙌🏼👍🏼
Locklite 577 is a great product mate. Give it a go. Shower is too tight there. But what can you do. Great vid as always 👍👍
Thanks Gary, yer I think I will see what it’s like
Nice one Mark, I bet in a year the customer wishes they had listened too you lol. Enjoy tool fair 👍
Thanks Andy….. I think they may well wish they had gone for the plumbers idea😉
@@MJTiffPlumbing as you said ‘the customer is always right’ lol
Good sr 100%
Thanks mate 👍🏼
only thing I find with bath mixers is the customer usually complains after that the water isn’t hot enough and or taking ages to fill, I try and dissuade them fro having them to be honest, and as you say don’t know about the shower up against the bath, will be interesting to see it completed.
Yep, I know what you mean… we will see buddy
Looking forward to seeing how this looks finished. The shower could have been rotated for more room.
Also when soldering why do you always wipe it with a cloth?
That makes 2 of us buddy🤣
Wiping it down removes any flux from the pipe and keeps it clean. If ever you have seen pipe with green stuff on it’s not been wiped and can cause leaks
That's mad the customer needs to go to specsavers!
Indeed mate
Tip for doin 4inch het empty tub pour glue in cut lid off use bigger brush done do all time doin 6imch in hotels ul find far quicker
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Hi Mark, great vid as usual!! Is that 1/2” you’ve tapped into for the hot and cold? Is pressure ok? Cheers
It will be mate yes, yer it’s a pressurised system 👌🏼
Great vid! Still not contemplating buying a press tool?
I’m planning on having a good look at the ToolFair mate
Nice job Mark, what is the customer thinking, shower in front of window, recipe for disaster!! They say customer is always right…I don’t think so. :)
Thanks mate….. yep certainly not in this case imho
I think the customer will regret the shower being there as it will be back breaking trying to clean the bath, neat pipe work mark.
I think you will be right Roy😉
Great video. I noticed the bathroom walls are moisture board (green), but the bathroom ceiling is not. Can you, or someone, say why the bathroom ceiling would not also be moisture board? Thanks.
Never seen a ceiling done in moisture boards, if you have enough airflow with your extractor it won’t be an issue 👍🏼
Great job Mark. What size drill did you use for the joists to clear 15mm pipe? Thanks
17mm drill bit👍🏼
Did you struggle getting a bent male to compression elbow in the overflow filler ? Haha, I always put them in 1st but cracking job as always mate
This one was fine buddy
Do your battens first and then level the bath on that 👍 bath panels are normally 510 high so just do top of batten 510 from floor
Yep always do a batten👍🏼
Use laser level for Bath go up 540 level ur battens same width and length then fix feet after far quicker and level if timber level baths level
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Definitely too crammed with the shower. Is there a second part to this video?
Indeed there is mate…..👍🏼👍🏼
Is that downstairs ceiling being counter battened? Would it have been an idea to run the bath waste between the joists rather than under the ceiling? The shower waste could of gone inline with it too? Could the basin waste not gone in the stud wall?
Just a lot more to box in?
The boss on the fitting wouldn’t allow the space to get it within the joists…. As said it’s not an issue as it’s a utility room anyway 👍🏼👍🏼
And the basin waste IS in the stud wall👍🏼👍🏼
How do you deal with uneven floors when using bt1 to stick a tray down? I can’t remember the last time I fitted a tray to level surface unless its a plinth that I built myself.
To be fair they are usually spot on, otherwise it’s a case of building it up with some 2mm ply if ever needed… or a good bed on it
Easiest way iv found to level a bath is to fix 1 wooden baton to the wall level .....normally use something thin like roofing lath. drop bath on wooden baton and wind the two closest to the wall legs up so they dont touch the floor ......then just level off the two far feet and fix them. then lower the other two feet down and fix them...dead easy and it adds a lot of strength ....no need to fill bath before you silicone also , because it just wont move ..... add classi seal tape before this for a bullet proof lifetime seal , or i do anyways :)
Yep always fit a batten on a bath, always have done. Infact I’ve put it on here before and not filled it as a lot of people think you have to….. until I tell them it’s going nowhere with it battened
It is crammed in. But I hate shower over bath personally.
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Hi Mark that tray is way too close to the bath and window what are you doing on the end how is the glass end panel fixed
I know that mate…..🤣🤣….. as said in the video, not my decision
It’s not having a glass panel, the bath panel is being tiled
What they gunna do with the shower screen and that window!?
Exactly mate…… exactly.
This is the problem with a customer using an “interior designer” and not listening to the plumber that does these day in day out…..
18:30 does the vent tube had to be that wide?
Absolutely honking set out craming all that in there. Would of been with you and had a p bath with shower over it. Great video as always 👍
Thanks mate….. not a great layout is it buddy
Are they not having a towel rad mate, top video
Yep but for some reason it’s an electric one🙄🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
@@MJTiffPlumbing I hope you making the sparky fit it
The customer is never right. They just think they are 👌😁
Hahahaaa
Looking at that tray so close to the bath and window is giving me face ache what are they thinking 😂
Tell me about it mate….. I’m back there tomorrow!!!!!!
@@MJTiffPlumbing I feel your pain😩
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At least they didn't want the toilet centred on the window and a bath and a shower either side 😁
Exactly mate
can you show a shower tray install, a raised one even better
I’ve done a few videos of tray installs buddy 👍🏼👍🏼
Sorry, yes, I've been going through your videos now, the tanking is superb, thanks for sharing
Have to agree, that layout is terrible, as you suggested, bath under the window would have been much better, not sure what size that bathroom is, looks very similar to my own one that I've just refurbished, 9'x7'6 managed to fit both a bath and shower by compromising a little on the shower, and fitting a 900 quadrant, along with a carron status bath, the curved end along with keeping things uncluttered by using concealed taps, valves, cistern along with an, overflow filler we kept the cramped feeling at bay, though a different window and door orientation means it wouldn't work in that room.
Yer a quadrant would of been a better solution, however the customer had a “interior designer” do the bathroom design…🙄🙄…. I couldn’t make them see sense unfortunatly
That looks ridiculous I’d have gone for shower over bath as you said 👍
Yep, 🫣🫣
You could use a 6ft level corner to corner diagonally as initial levelling of the bath and refine it with a smaller level, but as we all know most baths and shower trays are not 100% perfect and there is always one side just a touch off
Yep always one of the edges doesn’t want to play ball
Great vid, layout is awful, will there be a glass screen up against the bath panel?, quadrant would have been better in the corner on the right as you walk in?
Not sure how they are going to screen it with the window there… possibly fully open and just a fixed screen on the side 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
Re your use of st st elbows in tight situations. I agree but in your example I couldn’t see why you were using any elbows at all and not pulled half sets and bends as you said it may be boxed in but was just utility area ?.. just asking ! Rick 40 years plumbing heating and gas engineer retired !
Like you said.. you couldn’t see.
I could and that was the only way buddy, the thing with making CZcams content is you can film every single view, angle and way that you see it is sometimes different.👍🏼👍🏼
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Looks well cramped up, imo.
3 points to you👍🏼👍🏼
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If a decorator is listening to Rush, then you need to up your game. Just sayin'
It’s not a Sunday without a coffee and a new video 👌 do you have a preference for glued waste fittings over pushfit? I prefer pushfit just that’s just. Thanks for the video again Mark big fan of the channel 👍🏻
Thanks mate….. I personally prefer using solvent weld as I find them a lot more rigid obviously, just less of an issue of movement.
But we all have certain things we prefer to work with and there is no right or wrong👍🏼
Yeah true that 👍🏻
See what you mean once the tray is, and still the toilet and basin to go in😕, i'll wait until its done, but looks like it will be elbow to elbow.
Yep, I did tell them but the customer is always right……. Until they are wrong🤣
@@MJTiffPlumbing for sure 🤣, but might have looked better if the tray was half the size. Might look amazing when you've done.
Just curious, how would you level the tray up if you were using the silicone as you did it?
Floor was perfectly level so it was bedded down and all was good👍🏼👍🏼
The Customer is Always Right but sometimes they have Left their Brain behind and then they are Rightly wrong and need an experienced person to educate and guide them back
Indeed mate
Hi Mark do you pressure test all these push fit joints in the wall before it’s boarded or are you confident enough to just to go with it ? cheers
Hey mate, confidence is key in our game….
If it’s a huge job like the barn renovation it will be tested, but this is fine just getting the water on as not that many connection
@@MJTiffPlumbing cheers Mark keep up the great videos
Defo to tight for bath and shower you can cut those trays down a little but depends on the screen your fitting
Wouldnt want to be cutting that down😮🙈🙈….. they should of just gone for a smaller one🤣
It will be interesting to see how you deal with the gap between the shower screen and the edge of the bath! Will you be able to see under the bath from inside of the shower? You are right, it’s an awful layout.
I don’t think they will be having a screen in all honesty…. Because of the window…🤷🏼♂️
Shocking design
I always use 4 levels it’s quicker and no guessing
Who carries 4 levels 🤣🤣👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Yer I’ve seen that done before
I don't understand why when people say "I want a shower and a bath" in a smaller room why they won't just do a wet room with a bath in it. It's so much easier when it's at this stage to just do that and cement board and tile, saves room and makes it feel bigger and more grand than it actually is. Loving the trick with the level I do something similar but I've made a jig now.
I'm surprised you didn't add one more bend for those utility drops, sods law if you get any grief it'll be those push fit elbows tucked behind that soil pipe.
Yep the room just feels so closed in now due to them squeezing the shower in. Not a great design
How the hell are they going to clean down the side of the bath/shower it is ridiculous way to tight but as you say you can only advise them, looking forward to seeing how it looks in the end lmao.
I don’t think they are having an end panel on the shower, just a tiled bath panel….🤷🏼♂️
Why are the brushes so shit on the majority of solvent weld glues haha? I started using Griffon t88 glue, brushes are how they should be (bit more expensive though)
Loving the videos Mark. Respect from Ireland!
Thanks mate, I know exactly what your saying about the brushes🫣