Sam Seder RIPS APART Jordan Peterson's Real Time Appearance
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- čas přidán 22. 04. 2018
- In this Majority Report clip, we watch Jordan Peterson's appearance on Real Time with Bill Maher and totally rip it apart.
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Judging by this comments sections, a lot of children are crying because their idol has been criticized
His view points are well thought out and based on facts. What is wrong with you?
I think it is just because this guy ignorant.
Instead of demeaning people and redirecting Peterson’s ideas back into subjects that aren’t even related. He is reframing everything instead of actually address the issues and adding some insight.
Go back to Mexico.
@@michaelgrimm2121 nah, they're meant to sound intelligent without conveying any actual information. They're geared primarily to those who fear the intelligent, but want to see their opinions reflected in the mainstream. But they also don't recognize actual intelligent statements. Quote from Jordan "This organization and reorganization occurs as a consequence of “war,” in its concrete, abstract, intrapsychic, and interpersonal variants." It's intelligent sounding gobbledygook.
That's pretty much all comment sections surrounding criticism of Peterson. It's 4chan trolls trying to act as though they have the slightest bit of intellectual honesty, but not being able to resist lashing out in childish ways and showing their true selves.
This aged extremely well lmfao. People claim he lost the plot but he never really had it
I’m so happy I got this recommendation
He is just fill of himself with no real coherence about anything.
@@percubit10👍
Peterson is what philosophers through the ages called (pejoratively) a sophist. He’s educated and a reasonably good rhetorician, and he’s really good to sticking to his story. The problem is that he’s full of shit. He’s part of a legion of people to argue in bad faith so that the power structure can be maintained.
The only thing Sam said in which I disagree is that the rich/powerful want zero politics. They know very well that politics (they way the right uses it) is how they construct a narrative to legitimize their position in society.
10000% this. The right thrives on «petty politics» like the «culture war». They create scapegoats, lies, disinformation about minorities, that turn the working class against the minority instead of against their actual oppressors. You’ll see millions of poor, working men vote against their own interests as workers, because some decietful rhetoricion in his castle somewhere said that «gay people are taking over culture». It’s insane. I’m not sure the demagouge even think they are doing bad in service of the dominant classes. I think they might genuinely believe that vulnerable groups are NOT entiteled to take part in the goods of society. As in some fascistic «natural order» that it is not only futile, but actually immoral to challange. I think many of them are actually pathologically and authentically fascists who think they are lying for a good cause.
"I'm not political because I assume I will retain all my privileges forever". That's probably what a lot of people believe even if their privileges are already under threat
lol what?
Nothing more smug than someone who calls themselves “privileged”
Or as pathetic as someone who is ungrateful for what they have to the point that they call others “privileged”
This is coming from a Minority
Since the Reagan administration it doesn't matter who is in charge. Corporations keep getting more power and control. We need to get money out of politics or Americans are doomed. Wolf-Pac
It's not privilages, they are established "rights"
And worse, if one of the "others" is being abused, the privileged don't get political because "it has nothing to do with me".
Of course, Sam has thar exact attitude to Julian Assange.
Petersons cult found out about this video
Yep.
wasn't that the point of this video?
Nah... this video is just sad.
What cult? You apparently don't know what that is.
noel476 nope just regular people
"Without a circus, he's just another lonely clown." Pure gold
Peterson is a Handsome man...hubba, hubba!
islanti He’s more grapefruit/marble than orange.
Yeah, people are listening to Peterson. If he was not a massive CZcams star and best selling author, not to mention sell out speaking tours, he would be quite happy teaching university students, no doubt about it.
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Inspiration
islanti - I mean... at this point... yeah, pretty much 😕
"Yolo Minneapolis" is my new name for that individual.
Good one
Absolutely. Almost as tasty as BozoNero! 😉👍🌀
It's hilarious seeing him perplexed by a clear point Wagner was making, and not understanding the impeachment process. He's so brilliant!
Well, I though that he was rightly caught flat footed, and could've done a better job at regrouping and clarifying what Wagner was questioning, but he simply could've said that the modern liberal class is overly preoccupied with offending people; just a certain group, while they care not about offending another group. I'm sure that I don't have to spell it out as to which groups I'm referring.
But honestly, he understands the impeachment process. I guarantee you that. He even said that impeachment and conviction "is not an unimportant distinction." But by "impeachment" he pretty much means whatever ramifications come out of it, including non-conviction. In any case, he's saying that there isn't much consideration for what happens when that segment of the population is disenfranchised, and impeachment alone was going to do that.
And then Jan 6th happened, and you now understand Peterson's original point.
Yeah Wagner really made a great point.
"You're worried about a large majority of people that have strong emotions on one subject, meanwhile we're worried about a large majority of people that have strong emotions on one subject, but we also love equality. Just not for those people."
Wow, Jordan Peterson Pointing out the Obvious as if He alone saw this Polarization of the country. His Intellect knows no bounds.
He wasn’t pointing it out he was asking a question
@@micheltremblay4170 two things can be true. He was asking questions while pointing out the polarization.
Douglas Langley, you are correct, when you fully form a question their does need to be context.
That is exactly his game.
He says simple things in a complicated way to make you feel like you have just discovered an unchangeable truth. A hard fact.
In between, he lets his agenda flow into the relevant claims, the agenda stuff he formulates as a question, so that he can never be pinned down to a straightforward answer.
Within this narrative, these agenda-fueled questions seem like part of the other statements and the listener thinks he has discovered a truth here too.
He pointed out that they were too polarized which might be because he didn't know about the situation in the US just like I didn't when, Sweden as an example isn't as polarized as America and I just found that out when Trump got into the election.
I once read that Peterson is like the Gwyneth Paltrow of politics and I will always keep that comment in my heart.
Someone else compares him to Deepok Chopra but I like your comparison far more lol
Whatever that means
*If jordan pieterson is Gwyneth Paltrow, than this asshat is brainless,* 14:32 who in their right mind would encourage identity-politics, thats the lowest and most idiotic argument to vote for anyone in the universe, period! Like oh that politician has a vagina so I should vote for them or hey that politician is black so I should vote for them. Call Pieterson what you want, but the joke is on this guy and everyone that upvoted this video for even insinuating identity politics is a good thing.
@@reconx86 Exactly, man, if that Jordan Peterson dude would just shut up about his constant identity politics. Men here, men there, oh, us poor conservatives, godd*mn identity politics, am I right?
I swear to God I can't distinguish you from Rush Limbaugh stylistically. Perhaps that's the very reason for Jordan Peterson's popularity more than anything else. He doesn't fall into the non-measured hyperbolic douche category. Regardless of his beliefs, stylistically he is less offensive and destructive. Perhaps you'd get more traction for your views if you were to adopt some of his persona.
I’ve never heard someone say so much without saying anything at all
You've clearly never watched Jordan Peterson before
me too! it's uncanny... I'm hate watching it. I can't believe he's getting views. he started by saying jp was about to say the stupidest thing... then fucking rambled absolute fucking pony. I'm 4 mins deep and I truly know why people self harm. what a fucking germ.
@@Owlyross have you tried to understand, not only to listen? Or is it beyond your level of comprehension? The guy in this video is clearly a fan of his own bullshit.
I lost at the "universal sign for separate" 😂😂😂
I thought it was just as good as Seder's other arguments, which is ridicilous.
rolls eyes yet again.
@@john-paulhunt2604 what
Thought that it was long hanging fruit for Seder. Clearly the guy was trying to think through how to respond to the disparate, yet related, notions that Wagner mentioned. What's interesting to note, is that Jan 6th has happened since the Real Time taping, and this MR critique of Peterson's appearance on it, and without a doubt, shows that Peterson had a helluva point, yet one that Seder seemed to need to mock.
This sort of sanctimony is largely what self owns liberals, such as the historic defeat of Clinton in the 2016 election.
Peterson is the Deepak Chopra of pseudointellectual doublespeak.
😂😂😂😂😂 You are doing the same thing you of which accuse those people. They follow a flawless entity, you label an entire entity as on thing.
Your opinion is meaningless if not refereed to something specific, because nobody is only one thing, every narrative has a level of depth, and if big groups claim explain the world, it has an intrinsic meaning, even if false
(you yourself have a with a high probability a wrong picture of reality. It has happen every single decade of the last 100 years, in which axioms crumble and are replaced. Only ignorant people don't see it, because they are happy with the illusion of being the owners of the truth (which is only the last available truth, to them)).
How detrimental are his proposals, how delusional it is, it is a matter of debate.
If the average attendee in Oxford Union, that was crowded, was mainly highly intelligent educated people and were delighted (The same in Madrid. I have friends flying from several parts of Europe to those conferences).
I would say neither the market segment you refer to coincides with reality, nor you are doing anything but to elevate yourself over a cloud of vapor.
I would say cheap labels are the dopamine for the soul of mediocre narrow minded self centered simpletons (that are so frequent in humanities).
If you want to debate a certain point, it would be my pleasure to humiliate you 😉
PS: I know it would be easy to humiliate you because the guy doesn't have particularly original views, he just communicates mostly mainstream science, so it is the people who consider him an intellectual who area strange, and people who deny he is, because they are just ignorant, because he is just a guy that talks quite evident things.
Cristian Proust lol, proved my point. Byee
@@neverlookback75
I think you proved his.
Future Identity Politician
@@danbristow5748 no, his text is nonsensical and no idea what you mean by "Future Identity Politician". Kisses!
@@neverlookback75
Which parts don't you understand? Maybe I, some other more knowledgeable Folks, can explain them with fewer big words than JP uses.
Oh No! Here comes the virgin lobsters.
Pranay boy what a good argument douchebag
@@mindlander yes it was a great argument you idiot.
ry wyche I've spotted one!
czcams.com/video/f31mB6apCoE/video.html
Iraq lobster lol
SoldierGeneral64 death to America, and butter sauce, don't boil me, I'm still alive, Canadian lobster...canadian lobster...
;)
I think a lot Crowder fans are hate watching Sam Seder right now since I'm getting recommended old videos of Sam dunking on other clowns.
Hahahaha! They're hitting my recommended section for a second time too. I suspect you are correct
Ditto, and I LOVE IT!
Just watched Michael laughing at Steven Coward getting owned by Alexa 🤣🤣🤣
they're giving him a big engagement boost, big ups Crowder fans!
I've been following The majority report for years- but I never really watched a lot of the videos - they were kind of dry for me. But then the humanity report started talking a lot about the Crowder BS, and now I'm down a Sam Seder rabbit hole.
It may also be because of us who just discovered Sam and are now lovingly going through the old stuff
I think things are closing in on Mr Peterson.... more and more people are seeing through his facade of a scholar. He's turning in the Dr Oz of philosophy.
Addict in recovery.
@@pattilapeche Whaaaa? are you accusing someone...?????
Completely agree an hope it continues. I hope young people in general just get better at looking past the literate academic nerd talking style an start seeing an hearing them for what's actually coming out of their mouth. He's great at saying stuff without actually saying it which is why ppl ride him an ben bc they struggle keeping up with all the nonsense. they both take advantage of kids already having a framework that is maliable to their talking points an none of them rely on actually debating intellectuals, they just try to dunk on reporters and college freshmen
He used to be more sane and measured. Not now.
@@edp3202 agreed! perhaps the cameras have damaged him 🤣 He sure likes to spout craziness now.
Destiny got destroyed in this debate
GabrielSparkletits Oh, man. LOL. This meme is extending beyond Destiny comment sections. xD
did not expect to see the comment here, but I'm the 8th person to like it:)
HE GOT FUCKING DESTROYED
Too bad Destiny had to stop debating idiots like peterson because the right wing "free speech advocates" threatened him and his kid while calling the FBI at his doorstep. not to mention suspending his social media accounts.
+MrJabloney If by "make headway" you mean spout bullshit and by "brow beating" you mean not give them the entire floor to lie to the public without contradiction, then we might be getting a step closer to reality. The opposite is done far more often, classically using a 1:1 in climate change debate instead of 9+:1 that would more accurately represent those that actually study climate change.
Edit: Forgot to mention, you're playing the victim card for Peterson, lol. Make up your mind, is he a "great intellectual" or someone you're sympathizing with because neither of you can make a coherrent argument? It's not like they cut him off in the manner that Fox news hosts are prone to do with people they disagree with, he had plenty of speaking time.
Hahahaha “Your to PC, you libs don’t like conversation because you get offended” Jordan Peterson.
“Your being to mean to trumps supporters” Jordan Peterson
Hahahahahahaha what is it we’re weak or were mean?
Peterson is a female cat, screams when it's in, complain when it's out.
It's "You're too PC" and "You're being to me...Trump's supporters,"
Exactly, I've been waiting for Sam to rip Jordan all weekend, today just couldn't come fast enough.
Idk man it's either we are snowflakes or either we are too hurtful either way he gotta choose cause it's boring.
The only thing weak here is your grammar.
Watching this in 2021 gave me a good laugh when I saw Michael Avenatti sitting next to JBP. Lol
Please debate Jordan instead of this click baiting
You should have Dr. Peterson on your show. Now that would be fun to watch.
Peterson would wipe the floor with the hack Sam seder. Sam is about as intellectual deep as a primer coat of lead paint. I watch sam now and again to see his rambling of intellectual dishonest manure being spread as thick as possible. He should be on CNN or msdnc
BD6_CarReviews Peterson knows very little about politics, he would get wrecked if that was the topic of debate
+TimJ Koala He doesn't need to know politics. Sam is such a Hack and a bullshit artists Peterson would take him apart on his words and statements alone. If it wasn't for youtube, Sam would be on welfare or a courrier on a bike.
BD6_CarReviews Well yes he does need to know politics if they are going to debate about politics.... What kind of statement is that hahaha
I know JP is an idol for you so you're obviously going to think he'll beat his opponents in a debate but he's not some all knowing being. Sam has been talking about politics for more than a decade. JP knows psychology well but quickly goes off the rails when he starts talking about fields he doesn't know well, like politics.
+TimJ Koala Not A JP worshipper, but an observer. Sam is just a D- debater. Very weak, very low. He's like the comics that do Trump jokes, not that talented, always looking for low hanging fruit. Hating Trump does not qualify as a world view, or mean you stand for anything. It just means Trump haters have very little going on upstairs, which describes Sam Seder to a T.
JP can simply ask questions to Sam, and Sam will do a Cathy Newman, and be gone, selling Seltzer Water, which is what he should be doing, given his dearth of talent.
When someone has a "foreign-sounding" white/European accent, people fall people for it. Seriously. For example, Sebastian Gorka has a British accent so he must be smarter. But when they have a "foreign-sounding" non-white accent (e.g. Spanish), they're viewed as suspicious.
I know it sounds shallow but so many, if not most people consuming audio-visual material are affected by this.
Carl Benjamin. Nuff said.
Spanish people are white you muppet
And they’re also European
@@ribby9069 i think you understand his point mope..and he is correct
the casting for Star Wars comes to mind
Sam was on point. If you missed it, that's on you 14:32 its never been a level playing field. Punching down is a sport in the US and the poor are punching themselves out instead of attacking the rich
So what is there option
@@guymajor7103 Their option, would be to focus on education and learn a skill or trade that makes money. Public libraries are free and have computers. In the age of information, ignorance is a choice.
@@DarrenRockwell hey 👋 easier said than done
Sometimes libraries require ID to access and not everyone has the funds to get ahold of one in times of dire need.
Now I bet you’d argue that poverty is a choice too.
@@violetsparkles5453 How much do you think a public library ID costs? If one meets this poorness threshold that makes an ID unattainable, as you say, are there no fee waivers provided by any institutions?
@@appenanicola4382 What if you don't live in close proximity to a library and require money for transportation?
Also pls learn to read as I said "Sometimes libraries require ID to access and not everyone has the funds to get ahold of one in times of dire need."
I guess when he says "you have to have respect for your fellow citizens", he doesn't consider strong independent women as citizens?
Stick to popping pills Jordan
Why would you say something stupid like that? Haha hard to believe people this stupid exist. Yeah lady we don’t consider your strong butt a citizen. Please
ah you noticed that as well, yep jordan is weird character
@@iwanwillemse7703 as a bloke who fell in love with a strong woman, and rejected, I sense that Jordan has been through that and cannot come to terms with it.
That some strong female figure he admired, didn't like him and went off with a chap that may have been an athlete, or very wealthy or some other attribute that Jordan then decides must be the thing that attracted the woman away from him.
Just a theory, but the more I listen to his generalidations, the more I see the sad rejected figure.
@@huepix you know what I think you might be talking about hies mother.she might have castrated him by destroying his sense of manhood.
why else is he so obsessed with female issues , if thats the word.
way beyond what would be considered "normal".
@@huepix been Independent is not an achievement and it doesn't make u strong neither,ur A FUCKING ADULT
"UR TAKING THINGS OUT OF CONTEXT MARXISM WILL KILL US ALL DEBATE HIM DEBATE HIM DEBATE HIM"
There, I summed up what 60% of the comments would be like just in case JP's fanboys come in to complain
Update: Surprise surprise, I was right shocker.
You forgot "You misunderstood his genius and misinterpreted his views."
I'm not a JP fan boy but do find use in some of what he says, mainly his lectures, as I am studying psychology in September! I don't think it is unreasonable to want the people that state with absolute certainty that his views are moronic and riddled with an agenda, to actually debate him and show him to be all that the say he is!
"YOU HAVENT READ ALL HIS BOOKS, WATCHED ALL HIS VIDEOS AND PERSONALLY PERFORMED FELLATIO ON HIM SO YOU JUST DONT UNDERSTAND HIS PHILOSOPHY!!!!!!"
and no one will because they know they can't make an argument without taking him out of context . No one is above criticism, but atleast back up your insult with something not so cringy
I think that comes with the novelty of today, the scope of criticism is beyond anything we have ever seen before, which is of course good as ones views can be tested but most of the criticisims seem to be riddled with ideological blindness and in this great age of technology, there is no reason not to debate!
All the self-help stuff is really feeding into a right-wing mindset of don't change the system, don't expect handouts, don't complain about discrimination etc. I haven't seen a single outspoken leftie self-help guru, but plenty of right-wing ones.
TheTheddi well if you believe that you are perfect as you are.. and there are no changes needed on your personality.. and that the world should change so it would fit your perfect personality then you are a moron..
And stop using right and left its not just 2 categories moron!
Any political movement is weak and corrupted!
And dont forget how many people the left killed for the utopia :) MORON
What is perfect supposed to mean? Self-help gurus say that you become "better" when you follow societal standards, like dressing in a certain way, having certain relationships and earning as much money as possible. But why are those things "better"?
The only thing that might make sense is becoming happier, but bending over backwards to fit societal norms and overthinking what other people think about you will most certainly not make you happier.
I wouldn't call myself perfect, but i also wouldn't say i'd become "better" if i followed different values.
This- look at his videos defending nazis.
@@kahirm3677 he has 300 hours of lectures on CZcams, far left idiots like u have gone through every scrap of it to try and discredit him. what do u think they found?? Some extremely trenchant CRITICISM of Nazis!!!
@@Drderp-hd5bb and all 300 hours of Jordan Peterson's speeches have idiotic statements littered through them. You don't have to be far left or even on the left to notice it.
Jordan's fallacies come from treating soft sciences like hard sciences. He acts like psychology has universal laws that apply to everyone, when in fact, none of the theories actually do. Psychology is not physics.
YES. Good god it drives me nuts. He's like that stupid person you know who got an associates degree in psychology and suddenly they start making painfully obvious observations about people; relaying them to you as though they were enlightening you with their profound knowledge of the human psyche.
He is the physical manifestation of that concept. He's Dunning Kruger personified.
Psychology is like Physics though not as aged as Physics. If you only read literature and understand statistics you'll see that psychology is an exact science also with the same philosophical foundations as science.
Nor is it the multiple forms of neuro and biological sciences. He's not even practising psychology to be using it as he does. It's his branding. Nothing more.
@@dole-brentbayalas854 there are multiple schools of psychology. Psychology as a profession requires the practioner to continue up to date training in their field by medically recognised institutions .BY LAW. THE MAN IS A FRAUD.
@@staceyboomboom8031 Really by your example do I need to be trained in a "Medically recognized" institution as an industrial psychology? Moreover that man is a public speaker, do you need to be medically recognized for that also? Additionally, for you to use scientific, statistical, psychological and philosophy literature do you also need to have to be medically recognized?
Good Lord common sense is lost in people. People seeking licenses and accolades instead of knowledge and using common sense.
5:02 complains about strawmanning
5:14 goes on to depict conservatives as whining about white men losing power in the next sentence
5:50 confirming what he called a strawman in the sentence after
Sam Seder is a weird guy man very two side I agree
JP fanboy alert in these comments. They are like a cult, kneeling before their idol.
I don't get it. He speaks total jibberish.
Kneeling is bad, it shows disrespect....
Jenny klarke I mean sometimes he talks overly convoluted and he sometimes misses the mark. not a god like OP appears to think
@@michaelk.jensen1611 is that why people knelt before kings?
@@ItalianStallionBDM that was my point. But I don't recommend kneeling as to a king though either.
Maher is not an establishment partisan, he's an egoist. Like Jimmy Dore, there may be some very basic and in some cases, very specific issues where I largely agree with him, but this is all theater, sensationalism, and ego-boosting shit. 15% of inviting guys like Peterson or Yiannopoulos on to his show is *maybe* about a healthy, fear-free discussion, 30% just fucking with people to get a reaction (case in point...), and 55% masturbation.
That’s funny. I was gonna say JP is the id and BM the ego.
8:55 mocking is the last resource of someone who has nothing valid to say whatsoever
No it’s not lmao
I guess that's why so many people mock Jordan Peterson and so few of them debate him
Yeah this guy really comes off a complete idiot.
You ever actually read, say, Christopher Hitchens at his peak? Did he have nothing valid to say? Mockery is a powerful rhetorical tool, not a last resort.
This idea of political and cultural commentary as some bloodless, polite gentleman's club needs to go away.
@@funglegunk Well said. This is just an attempt to grasp at straws.
The Jordan Peterson army is here😂😂
Ikr??!! 😩😂💯
Idiotic cultists love to defend their messiah. Why can't they just drink the poisoned kool-aid already and leave the rest of humanity alone?
Bill Maher said "cult of personality" near Peterson without smirking at Peterson
The fact that Bill Maher said anything without his typical shit-eating smirk is shocking.
he had to impress daddy
He did.
The unselfconscious irony of it all!
Probably because he didn't mean it ironically, maher has old man "get off my lawn syndrome" so of course he loves this peterson idiot. He also hit it off with that nazi fuck milo.
I just think I could take Jordan Peterson more seriously if he could say "not" instead of "nought."
Jesse Cole excellent point, if only he didnt have a foreign accent his ideas would carry more weight.
Jacob Cumley you're nought interesting.
Jesse Cole idiot
+Jesse Cole I don't know what you're talking... aboot.
[crickets]
I’ll show myself out.
James mcaulay idiought.
"Let's end politics right now." Conservatism at its most basic root.
Politics should present ideas, not identity.
Conservatives are full of ideas. And what is lefts idea, 'that there is no idea, humans dont hav any value"
Just hav some elite gas bags like this sam seder as the lefts leader and he will dictate how the people should think, how films should be made, how boy scouts should operate. Yeah, thats the entire leftist idea
@@maverickspencer5581 How many tomes of leftist thinking have you read? Because none of them say this. This is totalitarianism, and neither left NOR right has had a monopoly on totalitarianism over the past 500 years...but it aligns with the mission of conservatism much more than it does with liberalism or leftist ideals.
As for my quote, is it untrue to say that the end game of conservatism is to reduce the role of the political sphere all the way to enforcing contracts, if even that? Or that monarchy and total rule are conservative systems at their core?
@@cnking27 does idea hav any superior or inferior value, according to post modernism?
Yup
@@maverickspencer5581 conservatives haven't had an idea since Adam Smith. Everyone since has simply regurgitated the same nonsense
Well...this is interesting to look back at 3 years and an insurrection later.
the lobsters have arrived to defend their favorite pseudophilosopher, I see
Mysllaw M. People who don’t read
Mysllaw M. : He did say about his own wife, “She’s very helpful.” Reinforcing a time when women were allowed to participate in ‘the helping professions.’
@@subversivelysurreal3645 Is she a lobster?
I liked the critic until it went way too far.
Critizicing his way of moving his, bringing us back to the ages when we were controlling women.
*14:32** Sure Jordan Pieterson doesn't give good arguments on politics,* but this guys is even worse with his arguments. Identity politics is stupid because people are voting for non-sensical reasons, like oh that politician has a vagina so I should vote for them, or that politician is black so I should vote for them. And he wants to make it seem like these donkeys are more intelligent? The joke is on him and the people that upvoted this video, *this guys is as dumb as bucket of shrimp and has lost all his credibility with his pro-identity politics rant!*
I'm just here to sip on the salty thin tears of JBP lackeys.
@@joeheaven-terry1777 this really was not a good comeback, you should see a doctor.
@@joeheaven-terry1777 calm down
I'm simply waiting for Seder to make a actual argument instead of trying to roast him.
@@darkwolf4434 clearly you weren't paying attention or you don't understand facts.
@@staceyboomboom8031 Facts? Maybe Seder should read facts, instead of making his fanbase idolize him and believe that everything he says is a fact. You even have a clear example when he as an example went into Swedish politics and later got corrected by many Swedes who actually told the basics of how the Swedish justice system works which Sam Seder fans defended against by using arguments like "F*ck you" and so on.
Politicians have to work together to form policies that are beneficial to the people the represent on both sides
Like Medicare for all
Honestly I am so happy you’ve got this platform folks and you can take on this fucking false prophet. Might sound harsh but I just want to see his BS challenged.
I find him unbearable too, but I'm so confused why he's taken on the avatar of a prophet?? Where did that characterization come from?
jesus this comment section. I'm going back to my side of youtube.
Oh no do stay. The insanity is just beginning. We have lobsters, unidentified genders, and next week we're having rhubbarb pie. The show is just starting.
DeadButterflyWings Is 'your side of CZcams' the one where women who wear make up are considered hypocritical when they oppose sexual harrasment? Please, do everyone a favor and go back there.
That emotional twat would awfully loose in an debate with peterson. Already so emotional and desperado for attention ... 🤣 He should clean up his Room
You know who never got to go on Bill Maher? Lobsters
Vlad Lenin that is actually a good thing for Sam
I want actual lobsters to replace Jordan Peterson on all of his television appearances.
So what your saying is... that Bill Maher is anti-lobster?
You know lobsters got in a debate with Sam Seder, the lopbsters would win. And BIll Maher is too light weight to be taken seriously.
Greg Lautigar Clean your room you beta lobster swine
I cleaned my room with lobsters today.
Put 'em to work!
This comment made navigating to this page worth it
But that depends on your definition of the word "lobsters"
Read the chapters again
Correct Sam. They miss their affirmative action (limit competition) and ability to force women to their beds and control them. It's very simple.
One man forced whom ?
@@MarkHicks326 honestly bro that's so long ago I've forgotten. Sorry
Wait a minute, I thought the left was a bunch of crybabies, now Peterson says the right is a bunch of crybabies. I'm confused.
They both are? if that’s confusing your helpless, I hope that was sarcasm
You know Jordan Peterson isn’t a right winger?
@@liambaldwin6823 he very much is.
@@shanedsouza189 Tell me how he's a conservative.
@@shanedsouza189 Buddy he has literally gone on record saying he's a "classic British liberal." His closest political group in the US is arguably the Libertarians, who, last time I checked, are mostly center or mildly left of center. He is not a conservative. Also, how you or anyone else can demonize a man who, at the end of the day, wants people to think for themselves and find deep meaning in their lives is beyond comprehension
I think you're missing his point on polarisation and viewing it through the main stream lens, you just need to go on social media and look at the debate going on between millennials from the left and right. The increase in political polarisation (due to new media) is very obvious and that is what Peterson is referring to
This guy is a comedian playing as an intellectual, what do you expect? He's trying to make funny content, not quality meaningful content.
@@maxlough2237 Very bad comedian indeed!
Just because this polarization is more visible on Twitter now doesn't mean it hadn't existed before. What was likely spoken at dinner tables in quiet is now easily plastered as an opinion on social media.
I'd argue that the Republicans bear a bigger share of responsibility for fostering this polarization to begin with when they undermined Obama's presidency for 8 years, when they picked a non-political real estate magnate/billionaire/entertainer as their election candidate over anyone else better qualified, when they shoe-horned in Conservative Supreme Court nominees even when they shouldn't have, when they ignored covid, when they supported Trump's exit from major multilateral trade/environmental deals, when they turned a blind-eye to far right rhetoric, to Charlottesville, to the Capital Riots, etc etc etc. Peterson acknowledges none of this, and probably doesn't care. He's an academic psychologist - Seder is right to question why JBP's political comments are taken seriously at all.
@@vansonthewall Jesus christ. This is so childish. A back and forth blame game, oof. And yes, JBP's political's comments aren't to be taken seriously, but whenever he speaks on stuff, he does do the due diligence and doesn't comment on stuff he doesn't know about.
i just subbed to this guy and im starting to see his schtick
Thank you for this 1
I dropped my phone in hot oil while I watched this
According to Wikipedia he attended Harvard 1993- 1998 when he was in his early 30s.
macforme he worked there as a professor
@Mister Physics and he skipped on grade when he was young
치킨• 4년 전 that still proves nothing dude. Lots of people skip a grade. Doesn’t make them god king intellectual. And besides the name being prestigious, All an Ivy League education gets you is hubris and a hefty bill.
@@benjaminpark5460 lots of people = 1%
치킨• 4년 전 thats 3,722,000 people annually. A lot of people.
Dear America.
We Canadians are kindly donating Jordan Peterson to your country.
feel free to keep him and do with him what you will.
You're welcome.
Ugh, keep him please
You Canadians can keep him, where his right wing agenda has no power
tbh he is a better fit in american discourse.
I'm no master on the politics of the US, but as someone looking from the outside, the question imposed by Jordan Peterson at 1:48 was and is the most important question asked on that panel in my opinion, and i wished an answer was given especially now in the climate that is the US today.
“That’s not an unimportant distinction”
Jordan Peterson doesn’t know the difference between impeachment and conviction
Hoes does that follow?
@@douglasjamesmartin How does that follow? SMH. Peterson said that to hide the fact that he doesn't know what it means.
@@RightWingRadioShow .. How do you know that?
@@douglasjamesmartin How do you not? Is it autism?
@@RightWingRadioShow you have the worst debate etiquette
Oh, it's the dialog AROUND the president that's the problem, not what he's doing.
Is it the critique that makes him a historically bad president?
Its the bullshit narratives fed to the masses by fake news yea trumps not a fucking boy scout but he does his job
@@davidresnik9733 lol trump is just a moron any a cheat taking you money amd giving it to rich people while turning the USA name internationally into dirt
@@davidresnik9733 Your comment isn't aging well.
@@mtnman1984 the irony in all these comments is the fact that there's no reliable sources the deficit and unemployment is much lower but it was ok to send Iran 1.7 billion in cash that aged real well!
@@chuckecheese5251 move to Detroit Michigan or Pontiac and tell me how great socialism is!
Have a debate with him, it would be so interesting
HE's been trying to. Jordan hasn't been well health wise and is still recovering. Good watch that would be though
Peterson announced on his Twitter quite a few months ago that he was putting together a list of leftists to debate because he wanted to debate one. He then never mentioned it again. Peterson also backed out of a debate with Richard Wolff. Peterson only debated Zizek because Zizek paid him lots of compliments online before hand and Zizek was only interested in softly disagreeing with Peterson while boosting his own audience. Seder would go after Peterson. Crowder let slip that Peterson has Seder on a black list. Wonder why that is? The IDW are a total paper tiger.
@@LeeH688 Peterson would demolish Richard Wolf. I’m curious to see how Peterson would go toe to toe with Sam Seder. That sucks that Sam is blacklisted
@@LeeH688 What does IDW mean?
@@Kanake18 If you’ve watched Destiny versus Richard Wolf, you’ll see that he’s not a good debater. Also, the fact that he uses Socialism has a moral choice for his system kind of makes it fall apart. Jordan Peterson knows how to compartmentalize and bring down a persons position advantage.
you cannot LOSE something you never had in the first place
My understanding of Peterson's statement "you need to have respect for the rest of your citizens" is simply that not all Trump supporters are evil and it is not fair to generalize and villainize them.
To me, that sounds like a call for discussion.
No he’s clearly pushing an agenda. Did you watch the whole video? Or are you just a fan of his?
I don’t hate the man, but his ideas are bad because his reasoning is bad. He’s eloquent, cordial, and soft spoken but he’s not wise. His insights are shallow and reactionary.
His primary demographic is further proof of this.
You cannot debate with Fascists. Look up: 1920's, 1930's
@@waltermennekens1888 dude, that's exactly why the fascists became so strong. The two leftist and centrist political parties of the Weimar Republic failed to win over the working class to the National Socialist German Workers party.. Da fuck
So he said something mundane and something nobody outside the right wing disagrees with… and therefore… what?
Saying flippant common ideas is not a “call for discussion.” Its a way to sound smart while not saying anything unique or intelligent at all.
The only people who think this would be anything worth listening to would be someone who believes nobody wants to have these discussions.
I see a lot of Jordan Peterson fans boys got triggered by this clip 1.7 dislikes lol For me Sam is spot on w.r.t. identity politics and women in the workplace/makeup. Great Segment :-)
MKL951 noap you just didnt listen to the interviews without him preaching bullshit..
For example the make up with woman.. his point was that if you want to look attractive and then complain about men trying to go on a date with you.. maybe you should consider not trying to look attractive in the first place.. which makes sense..
Looks like the majority are reporting
@@maxpayne6919 sure and if you don't want your car stolen don't get a car. Problem solved
@@katiePetsy no the more appropriate way would be.. if you dont want to drive dont get a car..
@@maxpayne6919 fair point. The make-up thing though makes no sense to me. I wear make-up and dress nice for me. Not for men. No problem with men approaching me politely but I'm not trying to lure them in
I’m as offended by Peterson’s bizarre and exaggerated hand gesticulations as I am by his sophistry and twisted logic.
“I talk pretty good, don’t I?”
- Hawkeye Pierce
You have no idea what you're talking about...you're just jumping on the hate train.
I know a great deal about mannerisms.
K G There's nothing particularly verbose or high-falutin' about David Feldmann's original comment. "Gesticulations"? Is that what's throwing you off? How little do you read that you think that's a fancy word?
farwood They only gesticulate with one hand and clean their rooms after it.
I just read 1000 comments of people saying "Glad the JP fanbois came out and got offended by this video". That was the only type of comment, there were no incel crybabies as the comments alleged.
I think they're just trying to bait them in to reply as such
While I think Sam is usually pretty good at remaining neutral with his analysis of interviews and the merit of ideas, I was disappointed. Peterson didn’t say that dems SHOULD have their hands out to welcome the Trumpers to their side. He said they ARE. Of course that’s true. You want people on your side. And the Obama polarization was based upon race, which unfortunately wasn’t a unique topic in the US. So I don’t get Sam’s point there. It was just Sam improperly paraphrasing and making fun of Jordan rather than deeply analyzing the actual discussion. Disappointed.
Granny P neutral lol is that a joke?
He’s never neutral 😂😂
That's what Sam does, I've even seen him misrepresenting many others than Peterson in order to make himself look intelligent to his fans.
@@darkwolf4434 but he wasn’t wrong. When was America not polarized as Peterson suggests?
@@markm2092 The polarization in America wasn't popular we from other nations didn't know much about polarization in America. I realized it when Trump got elected. Trump was the one that brought attention to America. A new president with a different kind of behaviour. You've had the same president for 8 years and you expect a new president to not give any new attention to your national polarization? So obviously now through things like the internet polarization will get extra attention.
If they actually believe what they say they should invite Jordan on the show. I am sure he would take the invitation.
Ok and you know this how? He hasn't reached out to him.
Peterson refuses to debate leftists.
He didn't take the invitation from the Zero Books guy.
@@ErikBernhardt really? check out Eric Dyson
@@ErikBernhardt That's definitely not true lol
0:20 “YOLO Minneapolis” LOL ☺
Jordan Peterson would destroy Sam Seder in a debate.
in under a minute
Comparing a 10,000 dollar watch and a Lamborghini to lip stick. All of these arguments are so weak!
The dragon of chaos says:
Clean your room
Dnt Wry no. It's clean your room to slay the Wyrm of Uncertainty. Or the Minotaur of Indecision. Possibly the Hydra of Scrofula.
David Heffron A messy room is an invitation to the mountain lion of mild inconvenience
Shut up...MOM!
These guys have a bit of a point, but they are attacking a caricature of what JP is about. They just aren't criticizing his actual stance
*sigh* The ever-present, redundant refrain of the Peterson fan when any criticism is levied at him.
“You don’t understand.”
“You’re taking him out of context.”
“That’s not what he meant.”
“You’re straw-manning him.”
Well, maybe if the guy didn’t go out of his way to be inscrutable, and conveyed his ideas like a normal human being, maybe there wouldn’t be so much apparent misunderstanding.
@@blakemeads9225 You might have a point there. He definitely take the scenic route of getting to the point, and will always opt for an obscure multi-syllabic word when a short common word would have sufficed. I suspect he does it to make his ideas sound more profound than they indeed are. I suppose it confuses some people, and that some people don't know what he's talking about.
I like it though. I like words have always looked up words that I didn't know when reading, so I have a big vocabulary and I understand what he is saying and I like it. I get a kick out of the way he talks, but I do sometimes find it ridiculous.
@@peanutgallery7753 Christopher Hitchens took the scenic route with his language, as well, but I always understood what he was trying to convey.
With Peterson, the dude is so all over the damn place, it comes across less like a brilliant mind trying to convey a profound idea, and more like a pseudo-intellectual quack who wants me to think his ideas are more profound than they actually are by pumping them up with a bunch of sesquipedalian nonsense. 🤷♂️
@@blakemeads9225 What is so hard to understand? I could maybe explain it for you. He has a couple different things he talks about - one of them is sex differences, which is totally uncontroversial in psychological literature. It's like footnotes from a Steven Pinker book. He makes it controversial, but it is mainstream stuff.
The other is where he is talking about archetypes and common story motifs, and how he thinks there are clues in them about how to live a meaningful life. This is his unique thing. It is not as scientific as the sex difference stuff, but arguably more interesting. Or, you might not be into it at all. When I discovered him a few years ago it was this stuff that I found interesting.
To each their own. Hitchens was fun. Both men are better speakers than they are writers imo.
"Let's call the whole thing off! No hard feelings! I can't see race anymore!" - white guys
@@Mnecrafter99 I'd hope they'd have trashed their "white" identity and returned to the celebration of their genuine European heritage (that they should be so lucky to have a connection to) and therefore would have no problem with this tongue-in-cheek generalization.
When people say that they're saying yes we're all guilty of racial prejudice, but we don't let these biases dictate our behavior towards others. The kind of narcissists who enjoy this material have probably never admitted to themselves that they're guilty of prejudice themselves, hence your viewpoints on literally everything. Leave it to a narcissist to insist you understand everyone else's perspective and demand they follow your low-grade ideologies.
I wonder if Jordan Peterson would say the same B.S. he just said about Trump supporters about Maduro supporters.
He has.....
@@atticstattic doh
Oh I love angry Sam ripping Peterson the fraud apart 👏👏👏
Sam didn’t even understand the issue...
thats what i thought, too. he is just a narcicistic babbler.
Is Jordan Peterson the spiritual father of the INCEL's?
Yes
YES. He's a religious nut misogynist.
@@ptanyuh could you explain how he is a "religious nut" and "misogynist "?
Well he doesn’t think sleeping around is a good thing, but personally I’ve been in a steady relationship for 3 years
Yes
He's so right people- scorekeep! Scorekeep your butt off and DEEPLY suspect anyone who claims they don't. You don't win 90-100% of the time in a game where the odds are even.
That mathematically doesn't make sense.
When I saw video of Jordan Peterson hovering and then waxing on unprompted, around Don Junior and his wife- his ambition and bull ***t was on full display.
You just need to debate Peterson…I think it’s easy to say all this without him there to rebut. You need to have an on air debate with him.
Peterson would cry & Sam would show compassion.
@@FIDIOT-cringe Yea idk about that lol guess we’ll never know until they face off!
wont happen. seder is not equipped for that.
Man, this guy hasn't figured out US politics at all. It's been like this for over 150 years. US politics has always been extremely polarized as far as i can tell. We did experience a civil war after all.
That wasn't his point at all. Seder sounded like a victim and thought Peterson was attacking the left.
@@fusionsupa7867 lol what was his point? Why was Sam acting like a victim? Peterson was being completely ignorant of facts. Republicans clung to Nixon for years even after his corruption was apparent. It wasn't until concrete evidence came out that they flipped. That's tribalism along the lines of what we have today. Look up some political cartoons from the 80s and you'll find plenty of polarizing stuff about Reagan. Bill Clinton was impeached for lying about a sex scandal. Then there's the shit that Sam listed about Obama.
No, Jordan simply has no clue about what hes talking about. Maybe Republicans feel more under attack because Trump is so absurd that hes hard to defend. I just know polarization isn't remotely new.
Peterson is an idiot.
@@vicratlhead2228 This has nothing to do with Peterson's point. You are trying to look in too deep than what Peterson is simply saying.
@@fusionsupa7867 nope, I'm looking right on the surface. He said things are more polarized than ever. The only way to say that is to be completely ignorant of history.
Im angry that in the begining of the clip hes trying to direct our attention to how trump supporters will be affected by all this like who cares if they get triggered? Change has to happen for the greater good of humanity the collective of society in America. Trump and his ideas have to go and anyone else like him.
Why should we have to always consider what THEY think and tiptoe around them and their feelings like we're walking on eggshells? But they have no problem driving trucks into crowds, defending facist statues, and treating us like dirt?
What universe are you living?
Becouse u live in a country where everyone has guns
And becouse in my country syria the assad didn't care about what the demonstrators wanted look how that turned on
Haian only difference is Assad was essentially a dictator and the conservative movement in America is the minority and the fascist wing of that is even smaller. Fascists can’t be allowed a say because it always ends in violence. So they have to be pushed to the side and ignored. Or rolled over.
@@benjaminpark5460 the fascists in America are the Left. They are trying to take away individual freedoms, while claiming that they are "protecting democracy". This country is not a democracy. We are a democratic republic. We don't do mob rule.
@@stationdisatrous647 name one freedom the left is trying I take away.
Stop mocking yourself. You won't even last in a debate with jordan's granddaughter
This host guy is not good. Peterson is not an American. He's giving his opinion on what he sees. He's not wrong.
Class war, the elephant never mentioned. The poor always lose.
The poor aren’t a class. Individuals are poor. Except in leftist Utopian societies. Then the poor are a class and they really do lose.
Archer are you trying to say we don’t have different classes of people which are based on income?
menckencynic yeah whatever. Tell all the people that drowned in third class on the Titanic that class doesn’t exist.
menckencynic wow you’re even more ignorant than I initially thought. Was your brain cooked in a microwave when you were younger or were just born a dumb ass?
People who have to sell their labor to live= the working class. Moron
The fan boys are in the room yall
Seven words stating the obvious reminds you of Trump supporters trolling HC supporter?
Lmao the woman has no clue what she is saying. ‘His theory about alphas and betas…’?? Wtf. She watched an Adam Conover video and now thinks she can talk shit about JBP with that precious knowledge
In Matt Dillahunty's debate with him, he mentioned that one way to prove supernatural beings are at work is through psychedelics (or a mystical experience) which are the only known way to quit smoking. Can't quite believe a lot of what he says after that claim.
@Stainsteel0 he does make some good points, but he was way off base here and I have yet to hear something that actually relates and changes that statement.
"Its my understanding that McDonald's is a pretty big restaurant.. May not have the best food though." 🤣🤣🤣👍🏻
The amount of words put into Peterson's mouth by Seder is astounding.
13:35 I think this hits the nail on the head.
This is great.
Canada didn't want him so he went to the U.S. Sam, you have amazing insight and you're not afraid to speak it.
Holy shit Yolo Minneapolis legit registered as Milo yiannopoulos when I heard it lol
i literally didn't notice.
Jordan Peterson, the most articulate alt-right conspiracy theorist on the web.
Ah but according to him, the alt-right hates him, so he has nothing to do with them!
@@MrJason005 according to being intellectually honest, have you fucking seen 4chan?
Which conspiracy theories does he advocate?
@@tee4222 Climate change denialism, for starters
@@MrJason005 doesn't deny climate change, but whatever floats your boat bro.
18:30 it's not "the only thing people should be focusing on" but it just might be the first thing. As more and more people stand up straight, they become resilient and just maybe more helpful to others.
23:13 its actually true the designations of types in wolves, but it only works with wolves held in captivity not in the wild. In the wild very very very different story.
I thought you were gonna go full oreilly there sam lol when it wasn’t the right clip.
Oh, I thought this was going in a sexual harassment direction. Yours makes more sense...
"Where's my sound booaarrrdd?"
Yeah I thought Sam was gonna grab Michael's ass out of frustration too. Glad I'm not the only one :P
Sam O'Reily. Accurate.
Haha
Given the like/dislike ratio, I'm guessing the 4.4k dislikes are Jordan Peterson fans.
menckencynic based on the comparison between likes and dislikes and how close they are, common sense says that they are fans who saw JBP’s name and got angry that it was critical. Shit happens all the time in videos like this.
I like Peterson but not Harris, and I disliked that video where Seder critizised Harris because of the lack of points where he was simply tried to roast him.
Seder even wanted to get into Swedish politics once which made him look like a complete idiot.
Wish they didn’t remove the like/ dislike ratio so I could see how many other people think this guy is just ridiculous to listen to. Every time he talks all I hear is a dull thud. I’m yet to hear him say anything with any substance at all. He just mocks people and takes them out of context
@@samrichards880 100%
Maybe, but if MR had any decent number of intellectually honest viewers, many of those would also be in that 4.4k dislikes category.
thank you.
In all fairness, Sam, Peterson taught at Harvard 1993-1998. You know ,when the U.S was an island of peace and unity. Good grief.
You know what's more polarized than U.S politics. The MF CZcams comment sections holy shit
As a Canadian and a UofT grad. No one in Canada really likes this guy. Even other UofT professors and faculty members thinks he is nuts. The only ones that sorta take his side of defence are libertarians. Which is rare political association to be with in Canada.
what has he done thats nuts?
Bro how is this better produced than the show is today
How about you debate him yourself?
Minute 8:15 classic parapraxis. His body is telling the truth when his mouth is saying something else.
Bill Maher is a joke now. I can't stand him anymore.
he became a partisan hack