What is loneliness? | J. Krishnamurti
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- What is loneliness? | J. Krishnamurti
Extract from Public Talk 3, Madras, India, 1981
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Loneliness is to go through this comment section.
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;D
I feel even lonelier
@Carlos Matas Capilla when i become enlightened the last thing I wanted to do was hang out with people
If that is true, why were you here making that comment? To me, the reason had to be to fill a void, to fill a vacuum by coming into this system and listening to this teacher? Otherwise, you should not be on here.
Am I condemning you? Not at all, but I do want you to accept that we all have that void. My faith tradition concludes that it's there because of the fall of man.
Whatever reason for the void, we have two options: We can fill it in a healthy manner or an unhealthy manner. Don't you agree?
"Loneliness adds beauty to life. It puts a special burn on sunsets and makes night air smell better."
-Henry Rollins
Great!but, Sir, don't forget mr Rollins was a liar!
Loneliness is only good when you can go back to non- loneliness! K. is teaching us to know Reality beyond self's Time but we cannot neglect the self's Time - we exist in both cases, at once. Human beings came into this world, Existence, together: I exist because you exist. You exist because I exist. This implies Sociality, not aloneness. I used to like to be alone as long as I could run back to my wife. Now that I'm really alone, with no escape, it's the worst thing there is on earth. I can only become liberated. But that is not the true Existence. I am also Sociality.
I have seen krishna murti since I was 17 and he give the real meaning of freedom in this reality that blur our consciousness
As long as you are doing Self Centered activity ( for a higher good of yourself ) there must be Loneliness.
bikash anand good words.
Seems JK (whose words always have me laughing in joy), was talking about focusing on the little body and the little mind that generates thoughts (and all sense inputs). Giving attention/being ONLY the body/mind will always be lonely. Focusing on the little “me” will always be lonely, because it creates the illusion of separation. Is there a higher good? Can action create higher good? Or does all action pre-suppose incompleteness?
His words bring a smile of resonance within me. True. We seek the betterment of ourselves in our own and others eyes in self centred activities
@Carlos Matas Capilla does learning happen by giving rote answers or by the questioners inquiry?
Carlos Matas Capilla can the infinite be captured/expressed/transferred/awoken-to by any finite answer? Are not (forgetful ) people already full of thoughts/ideas/illusions? Can one simply BE in the rejection/negation of all answers/beliefs/thoughts?
Some of my thoughts, words and actions have been guided by what has hurt me. Still working on it. Very insightful.
Don't forget your beliefs have also been thus guided. They underpin everything else.
The source of loneliness is the "ego" of the "mind". The body is never lonely as it is always interacting with the environment (breathing).
@Carlos Matas Capilla There is only one universal mind, which is also conscious. This mind is functioning at the base of awareness that it is. Awareness is all that there is. Infact, there is only one awareness, which creates this consciousness, within which, the universe appears.
There is no separate mind or body that exists. This awareness of awareness, that it's alone, creates the feeling of loneniness and causes it to dream many versions of itself at the same instant. Time and space exist within the consciousness of this awareness.
@Carlos Matas Capilla Don't believe me. Silence will reveal you your own sound of snoring while sleeping also called as "AUM". I hear it day and night, always.
@L 2023 Its the beginning of all sounds and words. It does not require the use of your tongue to create. Its just vibration or a friction on a single energy source that is enveloping upon itself and producing this first sound of all sounds. This AUM sound is the proof that there is only this single undivided energy which is the same as is inside me and outside me. The outside and the inside are thus the same energy. You and me are that same energy, which Newton defined as "can neither be created nor be destroyed, but can be transformed from one form to another only". All forms are of the same "one" energy. That AUM sound is coming from within me.
Spot Om
@@Pin-Neo You seem to be a Theologian. Your thinking seems great. Hope you have experienced what you wrote. Would be happy to meet you.
Where there is a self centred activity, there is scope of loneliness- *J. Krishnamurti*
pure, unadulterated honesty. Be that.
Makes no sense to me. I don't think enough about myself. I think about pleasing others. I actually want to start caring about myself.
First time I see him cry. I felt the how lonely he was but he did it so other generation may hear & learn the truth. Sadly not many listen.
I don't think K was lonely. Often alone, sure, but not lonely. You can read his journal. He loved being alone.
You didn't feel how lonely he was. You projected your own loneliness onto him.
You missed the whole point 😁
He was Not lon ely.He Cared For Others ,whoever! Whenever He talked about Bad Feelings and so on. ,He Always ment all people in General.
First time I see him cry .....hein when was that?????
Who could anyone be lonely with those birds cawing in the background? And the noise of traffic to distract you from your loneliness!
Thank you.
Real words of wisdom 🙏🙏🙏
exhausting
disessppearing
loneliness
Excelente!
The crow totally agreed 2:09
Lol
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Waaat da😂😂😂
hahaha
Thought provoking
Wise man.
Awesome video, awesome teachings of Krishnaji.
The subtitles in English aren't nice, many mistakes in the words, which tends to change the meaning/message itself.
Ha yes, so in loneliness it seems we are not alone. Perhaps then one who is truly alone is never lonely?
My brain turned off
People would rather live in a community with unreasonable claims, than face loneliness with their truth
So true...
That crow voice makes video intriguing..
Loneliness is not the same as being alone ...as a musician we spend much of our time alone in perfecting our craft ...until.we play live. Now I seek to only play for a higher purpose..not for sheer entertainment value
“Only the individual transcends.”
I think loneliness the state of distress or discomfort that results when one perceives a gap between one's desires for social connection and actual experiences of it. (I took that from google because I did not know how to explain it😂)
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This man makes you question everything. And I think he is correct. I think he was a spiritual experiment as a child if I'm not mistaken.
All are selfish. ...So that all are lonely..
Mr. K. is talking about "Meditation, just see, observe, with no comment. For Meditation is all there is.
I think what he's saying is that everything we do is for our self: eating, resting, pleasure seeking, working, being charitable etc is done to satisfy our own wants and needs. This self preoccupation isolates us from others, who are equally selfish. So to be born is to be lonely. However, not everyone feels lonely, so I don't think what he says is true in terms of daily reality. Perhaps its true in some existential sense.
Everyone feels lonely. Because everyone have "Ego" which makes them isolated.
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Dear Krishnamuti foundation
Could you please forward the full episode?
Thanks
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They are not going to agree because the conviction is piercing.
No supose. You were. Thank you.
Loneliness is a truth
loneliness has slightly different meaning when ur financial insecure, homeless, degrading health status,.
Keep striving man
Pray
Read some books
Have an aim
Be healthy
And create a goof life for yourself
You will do well, dear.
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I feel like it is never helpful to tell what not to do, because personally I don't know how to undo something, it creates conflict for me. Maybe he means that one should see the self centeredness and by watching it, it will disappear, and with it the loneliness. Can someone relate?
How can we see the entire talk...this is brilliant..but wish to hear more..
Search for J. Krishnamurti, Madras, India, 1981
Public talk 3
Does anyone know the full video of this speech?
Is it really impossible to escape from loneliness? Very often I feel utterly lonely. Seems always I eat alone. Now I'm travelling alone. Looking at the streets and parks where all other people have their company, the feeling of loneliness has been more acute. At this moment of loneliness, what should I do? I want to grab any stranger surrounding me, and communicate with him. That would be the only thing that I know to do. Is that escaping? Or should I go back to the hotel, alone, and go into the loneliness?
If you’re lonely and feel miserable obviously your company is bad or you’re in a bad company!
Not true. We are social beings and there is nothing wrong with wanting love or friendship. We cannot meet all our needs on our own.
Be solitaire not lonely
Well its not our bloody choice to be lonely
Plz add subtitles for videos
Touch the cc on the top of your screen.
We feel lonely because we originate from the interaction of two separate individuals, therefore we must function in 2 ; why?
Well 2 is better then 1 while one sleep's the other one watched like the wisdom says two is better then 1.
If I understand your comment right, you are saying that it is okay to feel lonely (because the absence of another is potentially life-threatening?
@Carlos Matas Capilla What does these statements mean to someone who actually doesn't see/know/feel this?
@Carlos Matas Capilla so do you know that every human individual is one?
@Carlos Matas Capilla Carlos Matas Capilla I really have a problem with the answers you give. I experienced it so many times: someone coming to me, saying "YOU ARE GOD!", or "we all are one", or "homosexuals will burn in hell". And not a single time they stated this bcs. of genuine knowledge, but bcs. of the wish, that it was true.
And also I doubt that someone who genuinely knows that "one wouldn't aks, but go", etc would not just tell (!) this, but more likely show (!) how to get this. Bcs. the intellectual grasping of all of this would mean nothing more than a mere belive... having no value at all.
John Smith life is just part of nature. .. It depends on ones environment, thinking, situation and intellectual and muscle power... no one is of one emotion or feeling permanently so it's a flow.... but we are often stuck up.... we are afraid of the flow.
Anxiety brought me here
Why why why please upload full video
The video is incomplete. I didnt get the lesson here.
you didn't listen so
Plz full talk🙏??
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Football and going to the temple have two different intentions from the football one does not expect to attain anything else but the pleasure of the game however from the temple one is supposedly to come closer to oneself ,know oneself and there is more to it that can be understood by the ones who have gone far through that path which the speaker has no idea of and hence he rightly thinks it's an escape ,however there is more to it than what speakers thinks ...
Here entertainment signifies an escape from the troubled process of understanding self. Going to temple or football match here means an escape.
What you said “from temple one is supposedly come closer....know oneself” do you really believe people need to go to temple to do that? People can sit in home and do that but doing that is tough and hence the entertainment.
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Going to the temple is not a limited experience with just the entertainment/escape value ! There is more to it ,which is the matter of science ,philosophy , psychology, spirituality and the rest of it..temple could be a place for entertainment but it's not the only possibility of going to the temple ..
@@pijushbhattacharjee5829 Going to the temple is same as watching football. So attending his lectures live and on youtube are also same as watching football and going to the temple - pure enertainment.
Please in hindi Sir
this man is a psychologist wow.
He makes a psychologist out of all of those who truly listen to him, right? :D
»LONELINESS is GOOD!*«
As much as I follow most of K's arguments, this one I am not willing to agree with.
Doesn't it lie in the very humanness to dislike feeling lonely bcs. being alone will reduce your health and chances to prosper? The baby cries when the mother is away. Its loneliness would mean a certain death; the sad-single-guy in his sad-single-appartement feels lonely bcs. to be alone means to have no support (of the group), to lack in information and chances to grow ... there are studies which show that loneliness increases mortality.
So: either K means a different type of loneliness (the one coming from separation due to hurts throughout the entire life - starting from severe traumas in childhood) or he is just wrong. Besides, you could argue that he is enlightened. That he has lifted the veil and knowing/seeing/experiencing more than the normal human being.
* ?
@Carlos Matas Capilla Maybe
@Carlos Matas Capilla but could you tell me, why you think and how do you know that I didn't listen?
K doesn't talk about the goodness or badness of being lonely but the fact that we human beings are lonely. And that loneliness rather the actions which emanate from fighting that loneliness have caused tremendous conflict among oneself and the society. Those actions is what K argues against and not the loneliness.
Is the baby really lonely or afraid? And is our loneliness a conscious observation of having no support, lacking information or chances to grow?
The studies about survival may be correct, but Krishnamurti tries to point us the source of our loneliness, which is a form of suffering (good or bad, that's irrelevant). And the source might be our deepest illusion - the ego.
@@shvngdu Thx for this answere. I can work with this. To be lonely is okay (after all the function of this emotional is definitely linkes to evolution/survival!) but the botch/crap we do with this feeling might a great distortion to ourselves and others
Loneliness is due to self centered action
In my case, what JK is saying is true
I wonder whether there are people who realized the state of mind that Krishnamurti talks about and who then need each other and how that works out or maybe there are those people but they are the ones who are needed? It's so funny. :D
Elvis was the most adulated human of his time, the King of Rock & Roll, and the loniest of human beings. Before dying, he said to his cook (a Black lady), 'it's just us now, all of this means nothing.
He saw the worthlessness of all that goes on, and the preposterousness of his status. And no one showed up in his life that could accompany him in life. He worshiped his mother. I agree with K. but I think that we must live both in Time and in the Trance - State beyond Time. K. is teaching us how to live beyond self's Time. But we also know we exist in Time. Elvis loved his mother in Time and that's good. But he also had some sense of the beyond of self's Time. My mother and I experienced this with him, in Bel- Air, California. That's why I chose to speak about him.
We all die alone. Whether people are near or not. It's a solitary journey, is it also a lonely one? No one can answer that.