The Problem with the Ash'ari Position
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May Allah guide our brothers and sisters and all of us Ameen.
Salam alaikoum from west Africa the Gambia.
Lots of love From Afghanistan Brother jake Your doing a great job
Appreciate your love and support!
May Allah help the salafis from the sofia Ashari & she'uh cariji alliance there.
I heard that Deobandis are killing the salafi scholars in Afghanistan
Is that correct?
@@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543 I think they are mostly deobandi the taliban.
@@Hasan-dy4mk
Yea that sounds right. I think deobands are sofia Ashari & maturidi, no?
jazakallaahu khayran
Having studied Maturidi aqeedah for some time, watching your videos has really changed some of the views I had held. This issue in particular has been really beneficial to learn more about. Appreciate your work bro!
Glad to hear that. Make sure to check out this article is you haven't already: www.academia.edu/115368939/The_God_of_Aristotle_is_Not_the_God_of_Abraham
And this one: www.academia.edu/121022345/Asharism_The_Creed_of_the_Ummah
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May Allah bless you Jack, for all this Analysis it helps a lot to understand, what is going in a wrong direction in this Ummah.
JazakAllah Kheir
Thank you so much for this brother Allah bless you and your family and protect you allhmadllah
Excellent breakdown. Very important point about how the aloofness and abstraction of the Ashari God (conception of) creates a vacuum; a vacuum which the ignorant then fill by deifying His Slaves and worshipping them through istighatha. May Allah bless you, brother Jake, and further sharpen your intellect and iman.
Ameen ya rabb! Appreciate your comments.
Wow I never really thought about that. So you are saying that the “ya Abdul Qadir Jilani” phenomenon is a natural follow-up to the Ashari creed? Makes a lot of sense honestly
@@hahdgdgherfhx It is a natural consequence of any view, including the Ash'ari view, that denies that Allah acts in succession and genuinely relates to His creation. I mentioned this point later in the video.
@@JakeBrancatella I can’t watch long videos sadly. That’s what happens when one has the attention span of a goldfish 😔
@@hahdgdgherfhx May Allah cure you.
Mashallah ❤
Jazak Allah Khiar
And may Allah have mercy on Imam Ibn Al-Qayyiem when he said in his Poem “Noneat Ibn Al-Qayyiem”:-
والرب فوق العرش والكرسي لا ... يخفى عليه خواطر الإنسان
لا تحصروه في مكان إذ تقو ... لوا ربنا حقا بكل مكان
نزهتموه بجهلكم عن عرشه ... وحصرتموه في مكان ثان
لا تعدموه بقولكم لا داخل ... فينا ولا هو خارج الأكوان
Translation:-
Allah is above his Kursy and his throne ... this is not absent of Human awareness!
Don’t limit him in this place and say ... he is in all places!
You have claimed ignorantly that you honoured him by rejecting him on his throne … then you limit him in another place!
Don’t make him Nothingness by saying he is not inside us … neither he is out of the universes!
Subhanallah
It is a very helpful video but very advanced. I benefited a lot of knowledge from it. Masha'ALLAH.
Much love brother Jake, جَزَاك اللهُ خَيْرًا
Brother it’s really good that you’re not letting these creedal matters dissipate by highlighting the serious flaws of the Ashari’s. May Allah increase your rank.
Love the account changes, keep up the good work brother!!
Akhi Jake. I love you for the sake of Allah. may Allah bless you. thank you so much for this amazing educational video. keep up the good work akhi!
Ameen ya rabb! I greatly appreciate your support and encouragement.
Appriciate your work
From bosnia ❤
Mashallah a very beneficial video. Would love it if you could make more of these videos that talk about the problems with the ashari aqeeda and about the what the correct aqeedah is. Barakallahu feek
Wa feekum barakAllah. Appreciate the feedback
I am going miss various people misreading your name and calling you Muslim physician 😂. May Allah bless you and your family for this beneficial knowledge!
❤ from Uzbek Muslim
May Allah reward you Jake! Please make more Jahmiyyah refutations! The Ummah needs it.
I‘m so tired of explaining to asharis that we don’t attribute body parts to Allah when describing Him with the same words He uses for Himself
Even in our own world the same word can mean 2 totally different things. I don't understand how they don't get this simple concept
Most of what asharis say against atharis are strawmen. This fact is highly revealing.
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They say athari have mujasim mindset but they project a mujasim mindset is why they deny Sifa verses in 1st place *!!!**
Ask them can you name a living thing w/o a body, if they say no in their logic they mujasim, if they deny Allah's Living then they at atheism, see how Ashariya is at 2 extremes.
Affirm Allah's Siffat as perfect in Quran 16.60 to negate atheism & deny likeness to negate polytheism in Quran 42.11 - Tawhid baIance.
Quran 16.60 ties Allah's perfect Siffat to akira, many jahmis deny Seeing Allah which is in Qiyama v. 23.
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& these jahmiya project, contradict themselves & deny Quran.
if you guys are tired and cant understand it maybe you should try to explain to giant Ashari scholars then if its so easy and logical
fact is that we know what hand and feet and face means
if you affirm it while simultaneously denying it being parts and limbs then you are in reality adopting tafweed which asharis accept as well
but if you deny tawid and tawil then i dont see another option left than accepting body parts
this approach is especially problematic with the hadith of the Nuzul of Allah and Christians will gladly use it against islam to defend their own idea of incarnation
سبحان الله اللهم بارك نسأل الله ان يثبتك على هذا يا جايك وأن لا يزيغ قلبك عن هذا الثغر ما تقوم به شيء مهم جدا وموقفك من مسائل الإعتقاد موقف طيب عليك أن تحافظ عليه ولا تتهاون مهما حاول ان يثنيك عنه من حاول سددك الله وفقك الله
جزاك الله خير
Jazakallah khayr for this excellent video brother.
I don’t know why. But I like it when brother Jake is passionate about the truth. May Allah guide us. ✨
Jazakom Allah khair
ما شاء الله الحمد لله رب العالمين
أخي أحبك في الله عز وجل
I ask "الله سبحانه" to increase you in knowledge and wisdom
May Allah reward you for your sincerity! congratulations for the new profile's picture, it's sad you are not the muslim Metaphysican anymore though 😁
No wonder I thought he looked familiar. It got me confused for a moment if you didn't write this.
Appreciate all the work Ustadh. May Allah protect you and reward you
You and AbdurRahman are doing amazing job. BarekAllahu Fikuma.
Alhamdulillah. Wa feekum barakAllah
Beautifully said akhi
Jazak Allah Khairan ya Akhi.
Thank you Brother May Allah Reward you .
Excellent video. Brother Masha Allah
Salam. Loving all the calling out series on The Jake Brancatella Show 📺. Brother Jake keeps it simple and straight from the Quran and Sunnah! That's why I don't see him just as a CZcamsr! His sharing of knowledge is above the usual CZcams stuff! The same goes for Brother Sharif from Thought Adventure Podcast! 2:18
love from your polish brother , love the content my bro
JazakAllah'u khairan brother
Wa iyyakum akhi!
Akhi jake will you still do debating on clubhouse or any other will you still make videos debating?
No, I'm not on clubhouse anymore. However, I plan on doing live streams in the future on my channel where these discussions will take place in shaa Allah.
@@JakeBrancatella oh on CZcams livestream debates right?
Yes
Great explanation
Alhamdulillah 😊❤
God acts voluntarily and it is one of his praiseworthy character.
Asalam o alykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh, hello, I just wanted to say thank you, for posting these kinds of videos. For a long time, I have been somewhat confused on matters regarding to aqeedah, as there are so many positions that it just becomes overwhelming. I don’t have a teacher or a mentor that can actually clear up the confusion - so I have to take pieces of information from multiple sources and just somehow work with it. I just wanted to ask, is the athari creed the same as the creed sheikh Albani followed? Also, I have been seeing “salafi” everywhere, is that the same as athari? If not, what are the differences. I would greatly appreciate if you made a video clearing up this kind of stuff as aqeedah can become very confusing for laymen like me. Thank you.
Wa alaykumu salaam. Appreciate the questions. Yes, shaykh al-Albani was an Athari in creed/aqeedah. As for the term Salafi, I tend to use it less because it is ambiguous. Some use the term Salafi to refer to those who do not ascribe to a particular madhhab in fiqh. From that perspective, I am not a Salafi as I follow the Maliki school in fiqh. However, the term Salafi is also sometimes used to refer to views on aqeedah or creed. From that perspective, I am a Salafi. There are other terms used to refer to a Salafi in aqeedah such as Athari/Hanbali/Ahl al-Hadith. In that sense, they are used pretty much synonymously.
@@JakeBrancatella Thank you so much for responding - also, in the comments I noticed that you asked people “Does Allah know if it is 2025”, what is the conclusion that can be derived from this question? Can you perhaps clarify this for me, thank you (and I apologize for asking so much lol)
@@JabirZakaria Have you noticed that none of them has been able to clearly answer the question? I'll save the answer to your question for a future video in shaa Allah.
@@JakeBrancatella Thank you. Also, I was wondering if you had any books you could recommend in regards to aqeedah. I personally, do not agree with the ashari principles as there are many inconsistencies with them - so I was wondering if you had anything we can study in regards to the athari creed. May Allah reward you for your services.
@@JabirZakaria No problem. Do you prefer English or Arabic?
Thank you Jake
If you close your eye when Hamza Yusuf talking tell me you don’t hear Jordan Peterson?
Please don't compare your muslim brother to that garbage Peterson even if Yusuf is on a questionable aqeeda
I always felt something wrong with him , despite some good he put out there , but Do not show courtesy at the expense of religion, in order to please Christians, Jews, and others ، Do what you are commanded, and do not fear, for God’s sake, the blame of the blamer 🛑🖐🏼
Jake, he stuttered like he did with the response of whether the Qur'an is created lol he definitely knows whether people differed or not lool
Btw I can't see the website with the article
Asalam Aleikum my sister I just wanted to let you know I agreed with you on Farid responds page to avoid troIs but I was blocked, if this was not on purpose I forgive.
@@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543 وعليكم السلام ورحمة الله وبركاته
It was on purpose because you kept going under other posts. The comment section is not there for political views or insults and the likes. Hence I blocked both of you.
@@assassinwithalqalam
This incorrect speech. I only replied to his Iies letting him know it befit him more as hadith says Iies befit the Iiar more and tried to tell or **ask* him to check his intent, if it was projecting political or due to political Ioss & replied to his Iies. I didn't want to initiate politics.
Whenever I went on a thread if you look at the replies from other ppl it was to discuss the quotes of sahabas which they even asked for, it was the same thread you replied to me on if you want to see I didn't plan anything, and I had quotes of she'uh books. The one time I saw his question I warned the thread of his Iies that he said sahabas wanted wor. Similarly I have posts here just about din just like you as another check.
if you want to treat the one who defends himself & sahaba the same as one who ataqs after I agreed and didn't know there were mods & i was ok to delete my replies as he or she is gone.
it's ok in sense I am not sure if there is a right to be taken or not on Qiyama but i don't mind taking it. Nothing personal, I'll be busy, anyways take care. May Allah guide us.
Btw the articIe I saw in description now so it should be visible.
@@assassinwithalqalam
This incorrect speech. I only replied to his Iies letting him know it befit him more as hadith says Iies befit the Iiar more and tried to tell or **ask* him to check his intent, if it was projecting political or due to political Ioss & replied to his Iies. I didn't want to initiate politics.
Whenever I went on a thread if you look at the replies from other ppl it was to discuss the quotes of sahabas which they even asked for, it was the same thread you replied to me on if you want to see I didn't plan anything, and I had quotes of she'uh books. The one time I saw his question I warned the thread of his Iies that he said sahabas wanted wor. Similarly I have posts here just about din just like you as another check.
if you want to treat the one who defends himself & sahaba the same as one who ataqs after I agreed and didn't know there were m0ds & i was ok to delete my replies as he or she is gone.
it's ok in sense I am not sure if there is a right to be taken or not on Qiyama but i don't mind taking it. Nothing personal, I'll be busy, anyways take care. May Allah guide us.
@@assassinwithalqalam
This incorrect speech. I only replied to his Iies letting him know it befit him more as hadith says Iies befit the Iiar more and tried to tell or **ask* him to check his intent, if it was projecting political or due to political Ioss & replied to his Iies. I didn't want to initiate politics.
Whenever I went on a thread if you look at the replies from other ppl it was to discuss the quotes of sahabas which they even asked for, it was the same thread you replied to me on if you want to see I didn't plan anything, and I had quotes of she'uh books. The one time I saw his question I warned the thread of his Iies that he said sahabas wanted wor. Similarly I have posts here *just about din just like* you as another check.
Good job, as always. PLEASE invite Hamza Yusuf for a sit-down conversation. I think a dialogue face to face would benefit the Ummah and eliminate the holes for others to exploit. Please reach out to him for a brotherly dialogue. Thanks.
Love from Qatar, brother.
Should we treat Ash'aris as part of Ahlussunnah? Or is it only when opposed to Shi'as?
الأشاعرة درجات، فالمتكلمون منهم الذين جروا على طريقة الجويني فضلا عن الذين جروا على طريقة الرازي ليسوا من أهل السنة قطعا إلا بالمفهوم الأوسع الذي هو في مقابل الشيعة الرافضة، وأما محدثيهم وفقهائهم المقلدين في باب الاعتقاد ككثير من المتأخرين من العلماء فيجوز إطلاق لفظ أهل السنة عليهم فيما وافقوا فيه أهل السنة، وإن كانوا عند التحقيق ليسوا على طريقة السنة المحضة لِما تلبسوا به تقليدا للمتكلمين.
@@Mohammed-jf2sp سدد الله خطاكم
@@2ARM4170 وإياك يا غالي.
Yes. See here: czcams.com/video/vK8nIytfS_s/video.htmlsi=S_6Cdb7VTwqckdMu
Allahumma barik
Love you bro ❤
Salamalaykum brother Jake
Asharis believe that will,love is one attribute.The implication of this belief is that god loves pharoah also because pharoah is ontologically willed by God.
Bro the master volume is a bit low compared to the average on YT, can you push it up a bit please?
Sorry, it must be on your end.
Brotha may Allah bless your work could make a whole video dedicated to the atharis and asharis and also do some reaction to video of a very popular shaky asrar rashid
4:33 I think the interviewer was saying it was a really big issue in Christianity and Hamza yusuf was saying not really in comparison, not that no debates or discussions happened.
No, he was asked whether or not the relationship between God and time was a dispute in the Islamic tradition and Hamza Yusuf said, "not really."
They play the complexity game
its completely wrong to say that god does things linearly in linear time, when you learn about algorithms the whole thing is about time , its fastness. even if we are out of time we still can do things one after another. its a language thing to understand the creation . Time isn' t that easy . i am computer science and engineering student and i know my subject.
Let's make this simple. Does Allah know that it is 2025 right now?
Why the name change? I liked Muslim Metaphysician 😢
Br Jake, I was thinking about getting the Quran Beheld by Sh. Nuh Keller. However, reading some controversy about the author having a cult or even ashari influences, comments?
Stay away from him and his works.
@@JakeBrancatella Alhamdulillah. Jzk brother
Yeah he has a cult and it’s known for abusing its members.
Thank you Jake for breaking it down. I actually do tune out after a while n cannot register anything in my brain after that 🤦♀️😭😂
Like the content as usual. But this topic always confuses me. All that comes to mind is the number 10 because it sound like that in Arabic 😅
Thanks!
JazakAllahu khayr for your support!
Brother Jake, can you please make a video explaining how the متكلمون reached to the conclusion that Allah cannot act in succession.
بارك الله فيك
Sure in shaa Allah
Asharis: we believe in occassionalim
Also asharis : God doesnt act
Brilliant summary and demonstration of contradiction. It shows you are really tracking and understanding their view ma shaa Allah.
Barakallah hu feek
I learn these things from ibn taymiyya ra through his books
Istighasa point you raised is really good! MashaAllah
Hudoos ul ajsam argument is reason why asharis dont believe god acts voluntarily.Many kalam theologians had rejected hudoos ul ajsaam.I think i could b wrong ibn taymiyya ra has refute this by saying that genus of hawadis has no beginning but every individual haadis has.
I can't listen to Hamza Yusuf. Nails on a chalkboard.
They call him hamza useless.
The only good thing I heard him say is salafi ulema like Sh ebn Baz denounced "sewer side b0ms" before almost anyone else.
It’s a shame, he was the man in the mid 2000’s before he got to political and went left a little
The same happens to me when I hear the voice of yasir qhadi! I can't stand his voice! 😅 astaghfirullah
Based take@@Raf-xd4ut
Hahaha I feel the same
Side question, did you get rid of your Muslim Metaphysician moniker? If so, why?
Easier to find
Please explain to me what is an ashari?
Ashiarism is a theological school of thought that ascribes itself to an individual known as Abul Hassan Al Ashari.
It mainly is known for its preference to using Aql (reason or logic) over believing in the apparent meaning of the texts (Qur'an and Sunnah)
Don't forget to mention that the terms logic/reason here is based on the ancient greek philosophy. @@sirajihussein9242
Why the name change does this mean less videos on theology and metaphysics
No, lol. You're ironically commenting on a video on theology.
It’s branding, might increase views and Subs
Do what you are commanded, and do not fear, for God’s sake, the blame of the blamer
Great video brother. However i may have a simple question if you don't mind. Is Allah bound by space? Since he is on his throne, does that mean he is bound by space? Thank you bro.
Allah is without a doubt above His throne. Allah is not "bound" by space. Space is not an entity which constricts Allah in any way.
@@JakeBrancatella Okay thank you brother. May Allah bless you.
My understanding of submission in prays , in (sajdah) is to submit the human intellect in front of God , the highest point of a human intellect is lowered to the lowest level to the ground in complete submission
Nothing to do with submission to text or scripture as you say
Why don't you check out his older videos he talks about this a lot (articles of faith) from a comprehensive lecture and not cherry picked slices from a half chat with an atheist !
P.S how can I keep trying if you block me from commenting
And how can you achieve submission in du'a ?
We're talking about du'a. Keep trying.
@@JakeBrancatella Hamza Youssef is talking about submission through prayers Salah not submission through text or scripture like you say !
Because if you look at his older videos ! He covers this a lot !
Why don't you check out his videos "articles of faith"
@@strategic4124 No, he's not lol. Why are you trying to twist his words? This is ridiculous. The entire discussion is about du'a and prayers to God calling upon Him for help and for our prayers to be heard and answered and how that is possible with an atemporal conception of God. It has absolutely nothing to do with salah.
Q: is there evidence that time is a substance, or is that not a verified position in Islam
The traditional Sunni view is that time is not a created substance distinct from Allah. This isn't the position of Ash'aris or Maturidis either.
There is a Hadith Qudsi where the Prophet ﷺ said:
Allah said: Sons of Adam inveigh against [the vicissitudes of] Time, and I am Time, in My hand is the night and the day (1). (1) As the Almighty is the Ordainer of all things, to inveigh against misfortunes that are part of Time is tantamount to inveighing against Him. It was related by al-Bukhari
Keep exposing these jahmyiah brother jake
i don’t understand your position brother. I am not Ashari by the way but I have a question: If God is in time, to me it means that he is dependent on time and he cannot do things without sequence like us or he does not have knowledge of future. For example, we were taught at school that Quran is not actually the word of God. Its a creation of God like us. Because in order to have a word you need the vocal apparatus like humans and he has to be dependent on those apparatus to speak. How is time any different than any other creation? Please Answer me brother or give me some references to research myself. Thank you for your amazing videos.
First of all, the belief that the Qur'an is created is kufr. Secondly, Allah is not dependent on anything other than Himself and He is All-Knowing. Time is not a discrete, distinct substance created by Allah out there somewhere in the universe. This is in not even the view of the Ash'aris. Let's make this simple. Does Allah know that it is 2025 right now?
@@JakeBrancatella Thank you for your response. How is it Kufr to say that the Quran is a creation of God just like everything else? And, of course that Allah knows its 2025. he is all-Knowing.
@@aimalnajmi6160 Allah knows that it's 2025 right now? Even though it's 2024 right now and not 2025?
Mashallah, sheikh Hamza Yusuf was one of the reasons I came back to religion, I don't agree with alot of the Ashari beliefs he believes in, but I pray Allah for me and him and all Muslims to be guided the righteous path in our lifetime before we die and regret it.
Haqq 100%
I don´t follow any schools and just call myself a muslim and pray everyday. I like things as simple as possible lol.
I think you never thought about which school (creed) you agree with. And yes everybody claims they are following quran and Sunnah.
@@elmustapha111the Ami has no madhab, if he doesn't want to learn about that stuff and wants to stick to the basics, leave him alone don't try to bully him.
@@Hasan-dy4mkNot madhab a aqeedah is fard obligation to learn.
@@Dont-worry1618 So if he is someone who knows nothing about asharism maturidism, or even atharism, its safe to assume he has the correct aqeeda as long as he says la ilaha illallah, right?
@@Hasan-dy4mk It is obligation to learn about Allah swt. Their is no such thing as taken the safe approach by not learning about ur creator. Learn the Aqeedah of the 3 pious generations the Atthari Aqeedah.
Thank you Jake, I downloaded your paper. I will read, then see more on your opinion.
Salam, jazak Allahu khairan for your efforts brother Jake!
Do you not think it would be better to not comment on complex aqidah issues of difference of opinion that could confuse so many Muslims that are weak in their faith. I personally believe this video will definitely do more harm than good for the community.
Again, this isn’t a jab at Jake or his efforts just some constructive criticism. I’ve been loving and watching Jake for a long time now!
Wa alaykumu salaam. This isn't a complex aqeedah issue. Allah says very clearly countless times in the Qur'an that He does different things at different times. You either accept it or you don't.
Q: why can't one believe simultaneously that time is Allah's creation with Him being NOT bound by time and Him knowing the present? Why according to you believing in one automatically means negating the other?
Let me simplify things. Does Allah know that it is the year 2025 right now?
@@JakeBrancatellawhen someone asked a question in response to your question you didn't entertain his question.
What is your motive behind asking this question? Are you saying Allah don't know about future?
Where has the metaphysician gone?
He's in my back pocket.
Q1. Is Allah bound by time? Can He time travel? Q2. Is the definition of time the SAME across the board? Isn't it RELATIVE?
I already answered question 2. Time travel is an impossibility and God's power does not attach to impossibilities by the consensus of all schools of theology.
@@JakeBrancatellayou mean God can’t contradict his own attributes. Impossibility is a limitation set by the laws of physics - miracles are considered impossible yet they are believed possible due to divine intervention.
Jake i remember your video on a athiest guy ,you asked him Can something come from Nothing
brother, you should also make other content instead of just the call-out series. You now have good following who can learn alot of good things from you and InshaAllah Allah will reward you.
This video isn't a "call-out" video. It's a video which uses recent statements from a popular figure to explain an important aspect of creed to Muslims.
assalamualaikum, i like the real name as channel name, comes of more academic and proffesional, allahumma barek
24:26 Glad you call out how their aqeeda lead them to shirk. Especially the muta'khreen who mixed their ashari aqeeda with their extreme sufism to fit along together since their main aqeeda doesn't contradict thier sufism like their definition of the shahada as it is stated in the main ashari scholars books
Well said brother Jake as always Masha Allah, philosophy is doubtful science it doesn't go along with faith
I consider myself an athari, but of course I don’t know every single position, therefore I will just ask the issue I face.
I hope someone can answer me sincerely, because this comes from a place of asking to understand.
I understand, that brother jake says, if you believe that Allah is outside of time, that he is like frozen, but based on my understanding, that doesn’t automatically translate to that.
We all agree, that Allah is not physical and nothing is like him. To „force“ this understanding of him, being frozen because he is outside of time, seems to me like a forced limitation on Allah, just because we can’t comprehend anything outside of time.
I absolutely believe and understand, that based on our perception, Allah does things before and after, but that doesn’t mean that there is an before and after to him.
I don’t think, that this two beliefs contradict, unless someone can show me the flaws in my understanding.
Has Allah already judged everyone on judgment day or not yet?
@@JakeBrancatellaOnly God knows these things and we merely speculate.
@@JakeBrancatellaQ1: Does Allah know about future or not?
Q2: Ain't these matters related to Qadar and we should not talk about these?
@@JakeBrancatella From our perspective no, from gods perspective, is something else.
@@JakeBrancatella My issue with this understanding are two.
First, when we do something, it takes time and meanwhile, even the atoms inside of us, have moved already.
Allah is not like the creation, so what type of change will Allah himself have, so that there is an before and after to him? He isn’t subject of smaller parts or constant changes, like we are. So I see this question about time towards God as „nonsense“, like I see the question „who created god“ as nonsense.
The other problem which I face with this understanding is, you face the contradiction of REACHING Infinity.
Br Jake, may Allah reward you. What about general relativity? It has been proven that time can stretch and be elongated by gravitation, based on the orbits of planets and other celestial bodies. Doesn't this suggest that time is, in fact, some sort of substance outside of Allah like space?
Wa iyyakum. We are not discussing physical theories in this video. The response about time not being a substance is a response to Ash'aris and Maturidis who do not believe that it is, while at the same time, their objection mentioned in the video assumes it.
Brother Jake, You believe in Tafwid? Right?
Your problem is with Asharis and Maturidis who do taweel?
Tafwid al-ma'ana? No, I don't.
The Ashari aqeedah is what happens when greek philosophy corrupts islam
You nailed it!
Nice
Brother Jack does a-lot of research and we commend him for this.However, I wish he focus more on Dawah inviting people to Islam instead of exhausting his effort and time in refuting other muslims.. Yousef Hamza is not a scholar but merely Daeeah who had done a lot in Dawah. He is being misled by philosophy. We pray to Allah to guide him and others
but "these other muslims" are claiming that their position is the one and only true islamic position and they're teaching kids these teachings in their schools..(take al azhar as an axample)..not to mention a non muslim hearing them would not be interested to follow islam if he thinks islam holds such views.. asharis and maturidis and sufis and shias are also people and need dawah..look at the shias aqida for example (both: twelvers and zaydis..im not even going to mention the ismaelis or nusayris).. they're mu3tazila on steroids..if u tell the everyday common shi'i people that that's the position of the scholars that they take their religion from and show them a sample of their views they won't even believe it..they need dawah too..Jake does his fair share of dawah to trinitarians but people of the qibla need dawah as well especially if they go around claiming that their position is the islamic view..
Q1: Does Allah know about future or not?
Q2: Ain't these matters related to Qadar and we should not talk about these?
Yes, of course He does. No, they're not. Now, let me ask you. Does Allah know that it is 2025 right now?
Brother Jake I honestly do not see the point in you harping on about athari vs ashari. Firstly, hamza is a Sufi deviant so the ashari point is irrelevant. Secondly, the layman has no idea about these 2 concepts and neither takes you outside of the fold of Islam as long as you believe in the 6 articles of faith. These discussions do not help the Ummah, in fact they do the opposite. At the end of the day, the Ummah needs to unite against these pseudo salafs or Madkhalis and the Kuffar and establish Khilafah. That's the only thing that matters. Hope that makes sense inshAllah. Peace.
No, it doesn't make sense for several reasons. Hamza Yusuf is representing the traditional Ash'ari view in the video here. Secondly, the layman does have an idea about this topic. As Ash'ari and Maturidi scholars admit, the layman hold the Athari view. See here for more details: www.academia.edu/121022345/Asharism_The_Creed_of_the_Ummah
Holding the Ash'ari and Maturidi views on this topic makes you a deviant if you understand what you are affirming and that you are rejecting the clear texts of the Qur'an.
The dispute between Atharites and Ash'arites is a dispute about Allah
Also, the Salaf disbelieved those who denied Allah's names and attributes and distorted them, so they did not remain Muslims, the greatest disagreement is the disagreement about Allah and the establishment of Tawhid is more important than the establishment of the caliphate.
But what if deviants takeover that caliphate and spread shirk and falsehood.
They’ll create another Mihna.
Also 90% of Ash’ira are Sufi so if they’re deviant by your logic then the Ash’ira are also deviant.
This work needs to be done. Believe me, when Muslims rectify their belief system and know their lord, khilafa will come about in no time.
Why are we overthinking about something we dont know? And worse, arguing against fellow muslim in public behind him. Astaghfirullah. The flow of time is what we experience as humans not contrary to Quran and hadith but physical reality could be something totally different…All time from inception to the end of universe could even be at the same time in the big bang theory. Wallahu’alam!
We aren't overthinking anything we don't know. We are explaining the clear view of the Qur'an and Sunnah and how and why the Mutakallimun do not want to accept it.
When I saw the thumbnail I thought I was going to agree with brother Jake, especially because there are many erroneous statements made by Hamza Yusuf that I disagree with, but I happen to agree with his answer in this video, if he had stated his position differently on this matter in a different video then I didn’t see it and it should have been included here, but I’m not going to assume it. I’m also not an Ash’ari and not a salafi, I think these philosophical discussions are divisive and we should take the meaning of these aspects that are hard to understand as simply as possible, and hopefully do away with rigidity of these schools of thought that Muslims nowadays are ascribing to like gangs, in this we are following the people of the book in how they divided their religion, you don’t have to agree fully with any school of thought, and you don’t even have to know what they say, so saying it’s a mystery is the best answer. But I’m going to indulge in the question a bit, and this is my opinion not as a follower of any school just as a Muslim who reads what prophet Muhammad has left us, I see the dichotomy of the philosopher as the problem, either God is in or outside of time and then interpolating forward from there logically is a mistake, we have many statements about time and Allah’s knowledge of the future that contradict this dichotomy, for example there’s a Hadith that says “do not curse [dahr], (which can mean time), because Allah is [dahr]” clearly this falls outside of the dichotomy that Jake is speaking about, we have statements that Allah has different lines of time, (different lengths, a day is like 1000 years, or 50,000 etc.), and that he can see the future with the knowledge of the “ghaib”, so clearly he interacts with time, he is time and he can see as if he was outside of time, I think all these statements are there to dissuade us from thinking too much of the matter and to leave it as a mystery that we cannot fully comprehend.
Let's make this simple. Does Allah know that it is 2025 right now?
@@JakeBrancatella I already answered this, Islam is simple don’t make it complicated, and we should understand it simply as the prophet and his companions understood it, so I’m not going to play this dialectic game. But I have a better question for you brother, if a Muslim dies without reading ibn taymyeh, or al ash’ari for that matter, does that prevent them from getting into heaven? Is it an article of faith for you? If not then don’t make the religion difficult for Muslims and divide them. I personally like ibn taymyeh, but I wish scholars would stop reading him and start doing as he did instead, which is read the Quran and Sunnah to address the issues of their age. Scholars nowadays study thousands of books, when do they have time to read the Quran and Hadith I don’t know, I think the scholars who’ll be beneficial to the Muslims in the future are the ones who will avoid this and concentrate on understanding the Quran and Hadith in the simplest way
@@imambaybars3405 I still don't see any answer to the question. Still waiting...
@@JakeBrancatella I don’t know what makes you think that I’m obligated to answer your questions and be interrogated by you, you seem to have totally forgone politeness in talking to me although I’m giving you a friendly and brotherly advice, or maybe debating people in an abrasive manner in online ego matches have caused you to forget how to have a well mannered conversation with people, but I still think you are a sincere searcher for the truth knowing that you have changed your position several times in the past when you realized you were in the wrong, so for that reason alone I’m going to be patient and break it down for you although this conversation would have been over otherwise. Some questions are irrational questions, for example the question that atheists ignorantly use “can god create a stone he can’t lift?” Is one such question, if we simplify it to its fundamental meaning it becomes: “is god capable of being incapable?”, or “can god can’t?” Which is irrational and grammatically incoherent, but it’s dressed up to appear as a coherent question and fool the listener. Your question “does Allah know that it is 2025 right now?” Is likewise an irrational question. Firstly it is 2024 now, secondly assuming that “right now” is conditional to Allah’s knowledge presumes that Allah’s knowledge changes with time, and since Allah knows everything at all times, the passage of time does not increase his knowledge, he knew of everything before it happened, but that doesn’t mean that our actions or prayers are not relevant, the question of “qada’ and qadar” and its consequence on free will has been debated endlessly and will never be resolved, all we need to do is accept both facts in the simplest way possible without trying to fully comprehend it because we will never be able to, also Allah has told us that there are different passages of time in his creation, so conditioning his knowledge on one of them contradicts him being knowledgeable of the other times which are in procession, adding to that the statement from the prophet that “Allah is time” makes the whole question absurd, but if some Muslim answers yes or no to this and we sense that this is the capacity of their thinking and understanding, and there’s no underlying motive for further interpolation that would lead to spreading of deviancy, then we should accept it from them, as people differ greatly in their capacities, just like the prophet accepted from the woman that said that Allah is in the sky, although he is the creator and cannot be contained in his creation. But all of this is a waste of time if it is acceptable to believe in the simplest most straightforward statements of the texts without philosophizing, then what we are doing is like what is mentioned in surat al-takathur, this is one form of takathur that is going to waste our times searching and trying to gather knowledge to egotistically one up one another until we reach the graves, especially that there are much more pressing issues in our ummah that require our immediate attention, mainly that we are divided to the point of being unable to act at all, our ummah is being destroyed due to this and we are not only not doing anything about it, but we are making the division worse ourselves. Al-izz bin abd-assalam said (I hope you know who he is):“whoever goes into a town where riba has proliferated and has taken over, and started preaching about Zina has betrayed Allah and his messenger” oh how much we need someone like him today, may Allah forgive him and be happy with him and send us someone like him, he was an ash’ary by the way.
Every ashari has a different opinion on everything
What do you make of wahadatul wajood and wahadatul shaood philosophies of Sufis ?
JAK. It is sad to hear some historians claiming that Ashari and maturidi creeds are what the salaf have followed!! Complete bunkers.
www.academia.edu/121022345/Asharism_The_Creed_of_the_Ummah
Jazakallah Khair Ustad. Well dissected review.
What are the 4 or 6 principles of Maturidi aqeedah as enumerated by Al-Jabir?
What about Causality?
Asharites derailed the Ummah unfortunately.
Salam, I used to hold the same position as hamza Yusuf on god being outside of time until after your video.
My logic was that allah is outside of his creation time, and in allahs realm, he sees us through past present and future in one. So everything happened, is happening and will happen. I do still am curious. But acknowledge this view is against the Quran.
I will be discussing this topic in more detail in the future in shaa Allah...reading this may help you: www.academia.edu/115368939/The_God_of_Aristotle_is_Not_the_God_of_Abraham
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@@JakeBrancatella jazakallah brother, i appreciate you and your work
What about Qada' and Qadr of Allah and al-Lawh al-Mahfuz?
What about them?
@@JakeBrancatella if Allah has foreknowledge of all things, then He knows what do'a you will make and what his reply will be i.e. He does not react to a situation because He knows all of the future. He knows how much mercy he will give to each of us.
oh, hamza the goat beard himself...
No more Muslim metaphysician? Will gonna miss the iconic name.
Haha...I'm still the same guy in shaa Allah
@@JakeBrancatellahave you ever thought of changing your name to a Muslim one, if so which one?
My name is a "Muslim one." Have I ever thought of changing my name to an Arabic name? Nah, not really. Name changes are only necessary when converting if your name contradicts the tenets of Islam.
@@JakeBrancatella It was cool and unique.
@@JakeBrancatella True that's what I meant, some names have great meanings e.g. Abdul Rahman/Raheem etc. Of course no need to change.