I love the Schneider-Siemens set-design and the director mad a realy very good work. Hildegard Behrens is such a moving Brünnhilde! Salminen the best Hagen ever! A marvelous cast: Ludwig, Wlaschiha and Jerusalem!
For a lot of years before 1990, I had heard the Ride of the Valkyries on a record, tape, or radio and had known it was from the Ring Cycle, Although I liked the "ride" and certain other parts, I did not know what the whole opera was about. So, I decided to find out. Then in 1990, it was shown on PBS over a span of three nights. I recorded it on 3 Beta video tapes. This is absolutely the best version.
Parcifal, ABSOLUTELY, Wagner's final opera, does not do it for me like the ring of which I have also been stuck on since the 1990 PBS broadcast that I taped (this version). Still, it is hardly trash. You are comparing it to the greatest work of art ever created, in my opinion.
I was being facetious Since Wagner(after Lohengrin) considered (his)' Operas' to be 'Music Dramas'...Although Meistersinger was a Comedic ....And Parsifal was a 'Sacred Festival staged Play'...Ha
You are right. Wagner himself didn't call his later works operas anymore. But it doesn't really matter what categories he used 😉 But everybody can hear and see that Wagner was ways ahead of his times. His music still sounds modern!
I am also not very fond of Parsifal because of it's somewhat dodgy morals and it's twisted religious baggage. Titurel is just bizarre, and I really dislike Kundry's character arc which ends in total submission. She isn't even allowed to sing or talk anymore in the third act and I never understood why she needed to die at the end! The same is true btw about Lohengrin's Elsa and Tannhäuser's Elisabeth. What a waste of courageous women! And while the music of Parsifal is often absolutely beautiful, it doesn't excite and inspire me like the music of the Ring cycle. Most Parsifal productions bore me. However, I was lucky enough to have seen Stefan Herheim's Parsifal production in Bayreuth which was thought provoking and certainly never boring, although it wasn't everybody's cup of tea. Herheim didn't kill Kundry off, and she is allowed to start a new life with Gurnemanz. This is far more sensible and life affirming than what Wagner did with these characters. But the old Wagner had become very moral, and he condemned the big parties which were thrown in Klingsor's castle 😉
@@sabineb.5616 Yeah the N*zi's didn't care for Parsifal either all that Manly Brotherhood stuff...Just joking...Yeah 'Parsifal' can be ponderous ..Hey a 'religious passion' play Wagner was old and obsessed .....Maybe he knew the end was near......As far as the Women It was the 19th. century....And I think Wagner looked upon Women as sacrificial vessels for (his brand of) Redemption
@@deanrantz1112 , you are right, the nazis weren't overly fond of Parsifal, because is was too religious for their taste and also too pacifist. They liked the Ring with als those Norse gods and Germanic super heroes much better. When Wagner wrote and composed Parsifal, he was old, and he had become far too catholic for my taste 😉 And he was constantly badgering his favorite conductor Herman Levy, who was Jewish, to convert to Catholicism. Wagner didn't want that a Jew would conduct the first Parsifal in Bayreuth! We all know how antisemitic Wagner was - and his wife Cosima was much worse! But Hermann Levi's father, his grandfather and his great-grandfather had all been rabbis! Levi himself wasn't overly religious, but he felt that he couldn't betray his family traditions. Therefore he firmly refused to convert. However, at the time Levy was by far the best conductor for Wagner's music. Wagner needed Levy, and in a slightly twisted way they were actually friends. And so it came to pass that the Jew Hermann Levy conducted the first Parsifal in Bayreuth, which is really twisted because Kundry is the only character in Wagner's operas who is clearly Jewish. And she has been severely punished for not respecting Jesus 1850 years earlier! While she is redeemed at the end, she still has to die - but maybe that was ok for her after having wandered around for 1850 years. She must've been really tired 😉 Did you know that most conductors play Wagner's music far too slow? And this has been going on for many decades! Wagner himself has given clear instructions, and even while he was still alive, he always admonished the musicians not to become too ponderous and pathetic. Maybe Parsifal wasn't such a slow affair when Wagner was still supervising the musicians. But the conductors started to perform Wagner's music much slower after Wagner, his wife and his son Siegfried had died. Siegfried and Cosima still knew what Wagner wanted. But after they had died the next generations of conductors didn't know anymore what Wagner himself had wanted, and his music had never been recorded. Wagner never wanted his music to be too pathetic and slow as molasses, but the next generations of musicians and fans worshipped Wagner as if he was a saint, and they felt it was disrespectful to play his music too fast - and from the 1920s onwards it took progressively more time to perform Wagner's music. I have listened to recordings from the 1950s with Knappertsbusch, Toscanini and Furtwängler who were and are still regarded by many Wagner lovers as the very best conductors for Wagner's music. But I didn't like it at all! They have slowed down Wagner's music so much that often there isn't a natural flow anymore. Toscanini seems to have been the worst offender, but Furtwängler wasn't much better. And most modern conductors are still way too slow! I have listened to recordings from Roger Norrington who has tried to reconstruct how Wagner himself probably wanted his music to be performed - and it's an eye opener - or rather an ear opener. Unfortunately Roger Norrington was never invited to conduct in Bayreuth 😞 He would have given us a Parsifal which would have run like water and not like oil!
to me THIS is Wagner's masterpiece the GREATEST opera overall musically and his final even though his final opera was Parsifal which I consider to be absolute trash junk the end of Gotterdammerug the music, after Brunnhilde jumps into the Pyre, is just glorious and has me in tears every week when I hear is for the past 33 years since I first saw his glorious Ring broadcast on PBS back in 1990.
This is amazing! I would like to know why you consider parsifal such trash, just out of curiosity. I don’t have any attachment to it yet, so I won’t be offended, no problem!
@@thinkOfMeAsAClassicalMusician, yes, I would also like to know, why the OP considers Parsifal to be trashy! Personally I am not really fond of Parsifal because I really don't like the plot and the really twisted moral content. But the music is beautiful, although it is never as lively and expressive as the music of the Ring cycle.
l.j.goldstein, I also watched the PBS broadcast of the complete Ring cycle in 1990. These were four unforgettable summer nights, and I was never bored 😊 It was very helpful that we got subtitles, and I realized for the first time that Wagner's music corresponds exactly with his librettos. The words enhance the music, and the music enhances the words.
Salminen is absolutely perfect in playing Hagen.
I have always been a fan of this version
I love the Schneider-Siemens set-design and the director mad a realy very good work. Hildegard Behrens is such a moving Brünnhilde! Salminen the best Hagen ever! A marvelous cast: Ludwig, Wlaschiha and Jerusalem!
The old setting… love it!!!
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For a lot of years before 1990, I had heard the Ride of the Valkyries on a record, tape, or radio and had known it was from the Ring Cycle, Although I liked the "ride" and certain other parts, I did not know what the whole opera was about. So, I decided to find out. Then in 1990, it was shown on PBS over a span of three nights. I recorded it on 3 Beta video tapes. This is absolutely the best version.
WHAT!!! WHO DARES TO DISLIKE PARSIFAL IS A FOOL. DARIO SEMENIC.
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Parcifal, ABSOLUTELY, Wagner's final opera, does not do it for me like the ring of which I have also been stuck on since the 1990 PBS broadcast that I taped (this version). Still, it is hardly trash. You are comparing it to the greatest work of art ever created, in my opinion.
I was being facetious Since Wagner(after Lohengrin) considered (his)' Operas' to be 'Music Dramas'...Although Meistersinger was a Comedic ....And Parsifal was a 'Sacred Festival staged Play'...Ha
You are right. Wagner himself didn't call his later works operas anymore. But it doesn't really matter what categories he used 😉 But everybody can hear and see that Wagner was ways ahead of his times. His music still sounds modern!
I am also not very fond of Parsifal because of it's somewhat dodgy morals and it's twisted religious baggage. Titurel is just bizarre, and I really dislike Kundry's character arc which ends in total submission. She isn't even allowed to sing or talk anymore in the third act and I never understood why she needed to die at the end! The same is true btw about Lohengrin's Elsa and Tannhäuser's Elisabeth. What a waste of courageous women! And while the music of Parsifal is often absolutely beautiful, it doesn't excite and inspire me like the music of the Ring cycle. Most Parsifal productions bore me. However, I was lucky enough to have seen Stefan Herheim's Parsifal production in Bayreuth which was thought provoking and certainly never boring, although it wasn't everybody's cup of tea. Herheim didn't kill Kundry off, and she is allowed to start a new life with Gurnemanz. This is far more sensible and life affirming than what Wagner did with these characters. But the old Wagner had become very moral, and he condemned the big parties which were thrown in Klingsor's castle 😉
@@sabineb.5616 Yeah the N*zi's didn't care for Parsifal either all that Manly Brotherhood stuff...Just joking...Yeah 'Parsifal' can be ponderous ..Hey a 'religious passion' play Wagner was old and obsessed .....Maybe he knew the end was near......As far as the Women It was the 19th. century....And I think Wagner looked upon Women as sacrificial vessels for (his brand of) Redemption
@@deanrantz1112 , you are right, the nazis weren't overly fond of Parsifal, because is was too religious for their taste and also too pacifist. They liked the Ring with als those Norse gods and Germanic super heroes much better.
When Wagner wrote and composed Parsifal, he was old, and he had become far too catholic for my taste 😉 And he was constantly badgering his favorite conductor Herman Levy, who was Jewish, to convert to Catholicism. Wagner didn't want that a Jew would conduct the first Parsifal in Bayreuth! We all know how antisemitic Wagner was - and his wife Cosima was much worse! But Hermann Levi's father, his grandfather and his great-grandfather had all been rabbis! Levi himself wasn't overly religious, but he felt that he couldn't betray his family traditions. Therefore he firmly refused to convert. However, at the time Levy was by far the best conductor for Wagner's music. Wagner needed Levy, and in a slightly twisted way they were actually friends. And so it came to pass that the Jew Hermann Levy conducted the first Parsifal in Bayreuth, which is really twisted because Kundry is the only character in Wagner's operas who is clearly Jewish. And she has been severely punished for not respecting Jesus 1850 years earlier! While she is redeemed at the end, she still has to die - but maybe that was ok for her after having wandered around for 1850 years. She must've been really tired 😉
Did you know that most conductors play Wagner's music far too slow? And this has been going on for many decades! Wagner himself has given clear instructions, and even while he was still alive, he always admonished the musicians not to become too ponderous and pathetic. Maybe Parsifal wasn't such a slow affair when Wagner was still supervising the musicians. But the conductors started to perform Wagner's music much slower after Wagner, his wife and his son Siegfried had died. Siegfried and Cosima still knew what Wagner wanted. But after they had died the next generations of conductors didn't know anymore what Wagner himself had wanted, and his music had never been recorded. Wagner never wanted his music to be too pathetic and slow as molasses, but the next generations of musicians and fans worshipped Wagner as if he was a saint, and they felt it was disrespectful to play his music too fast - and from the 1920s onwards it took progressively more time to perform Wagner's music. I have listened to recordings from the 1950s with Knappertsbusch, Toscanini and Furtwängler who were and are still regarded by many Wagner lovers as the very best conductors for Wagner's music. But I didn't like it at all! They have slowed down Wagner's music so much that often there isn't a natural flow anymore. Toscanini seems to have been the worst offender, but Furtwängler wasn't much better. And most modern conductors are still way too slow! I have listened to recordings from Roger Norrington who has tried to reconstruct how Wagner himself probably wanted his music to be performed - and it's an eye opener - or rather an ear opener. Unfortunately Roger Norrington was never invited to conduct in Bayreuth 😞 He would have given us a Parsifal which would have run like water and not like oil!
Finally found a traditional version instead of a stupid modern version too bad the video quality is so low
to me THIS is Wagner's masterpiece the GREATEST opera overall musically and his final even though his final opera was Parsifal which I consider to be absolute trash junk the end of Gotterdammerug the music, after Brunnhilde jumps into the Pyre, is just glorious and has me in tears every week when I hear is for the past 33 years since I first saw his glorious Ring broadcast on PBS back in 1990.
This is amazing! I would like to know why you consider parsifal such trash, just out of curiosity. I don’t have any attachment to it yet, so I won’t be offended, no problem!
Lohengrin (1850) was Wagner's last 'Opera' lol
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@@thinkOfMeAsAClassicalMusician, yes, I would also like to know, why the OP considers Parsifal to be trashy! Personally I am not really fond of Parsifal because I really don't like the plot and the really twisted moral content. But the music is beautiful, although it is never as lively and expressive as the music of the Ring cycle.
l.j.goldstein, I also watched the PBS broadcast of the complete Ring cycle in 1990. These were four unforgettable summer nights, and I was never bored 😊 It was very helpful that we got subtitles, and I realized for the first time that Wagner's music corresponds exactly with his librettos. The words enhance the music, and the music enhances the words.