I worked on a barge with this kmax and with Jay for that matter. Pretty amazing having this machine land outside your door...literally. Great video Jay...and i LOVE the music.
it's even worse because it's that AI produced streamer music that exactly nobody likes. banjo instrumental? sure, lovely. dumpster full of computers rolling down a flight of stairs? no. ideally we'd be hearing the props whipping and the turbine whining but nooooooooo
Years ago my office was about a quarter mile down the road from Kaman's Bloomfield manufacturing and test facility. I loved watching the K-Max flying around the property with Jersey Barrier sized blocks of concrete. Very impressive for such a small aircraft. When the company was trying to seal a deal with the Australians for a different model it was cowboy air show every day.
I have video of HQ doing some replacement towers for BC Hydro, they were flown onto a friends property in Mission, was great being up close and personal watching these helicopters, thanks for the video !
I worked around this KMax quite a bit and had a tour of it when I worked for L&R Holdings Ltd. In Henderson Lake -WFP Alberni. I stayed on Closson ‘s barge camp as well in Effingham Inlet. It’s definitely a quick cycle helicopter. WFP always seemed to have decent volume planned to harvest for the unit.
Hello brother Jay Huge respect for you and the job you are doing. Before I came to Canada I watch on Discovery channel this and I aways say this people are amazing doing this. Now I am very proud I know one of this pilots . RESPECT RESPECT RESPECT bro. 👍🚁🇨🇦
My dad logged in the kmax for a lot of years only did grapple logging in Huey's he's got 4000 hours in the kmax and has done only fire fighting since the early 2000s that's when Rainer completely quit logging before that all they did was logging
Jay B last season he decided to retire from the kmax and go hop in a huey and for the last 5 years he hasn't flown anything with a tail rotor not the smoothest transition the first time back in it he threw on the 150ft and had to go pass a check ride on the spot last time he had flown a huey was 20 years ago he's already looking to get back in the kmax with one of the new production models but he's really getting tired of fires and wants to go logging
The K-Max was demo’d by the USN for ship to ship replenishment. Cost/hr, up time, speed.. kicked the CH-47’s butt. Boeing squashed it. For years now they have used and demo’d the K-Max for field replenishment for the US Army in Iraq and Afganistan as a drone. Cheaper and faster. The 2x its weight lift capability is a big winner. A pure lifting machine.
Ditto... North of Revelstoke.. Downey Valley... flew the support butterfly (206)... thought the Kmax was just a slow bird... until we left the landing site... I was about to aurtorotate b'cus I thought my engine had quit. The Max is very quick and climbs like rocket.
Wow some of the best camera angles I have seen in any Copter video. I noticed when you pick up timber you keep looking forward, are you looking at a load weight gauge?
Khadijah Brown The K-MAX is optimized for lifting capacity. For example, it is quite slow compared to other helicopters. Also, the tilted rotors do pose an increased hazard for passengers and maintenance crew.
@@germansnowman what about safety & stability? Does it behave well under autorotation due to loss of power, as compared to other helicopters? There are other Kaman-type intermeshing rotor designs besides K-MAX. Do they all suffer from the same slowness and similar shortcomings?
manofsan I am no expert, but from what I have read, it is just as safe as other helicopters in terms of autorotation. It reacts a bit differently though to control inputs and so on, so pilots are trained by Kaman in a Husky (two-seater). I would think that the limitations are inherent to the fundamental design, not just the K-MAX.
IF you do NOT want high speed, then intermeshed at an angle(KAMAN) is superior for LIFT/stability/maneuverability. More efficient lift, but has SERIOUS drawback in terms of speed/range. Lots of drag at high speed. Ultimately double contra rotating is superior yet, but is more complicated. Why Kaman IS the workhorse and another batch have been built, but not upgraded over the old. You will note, no helos get developed outside of government military contracts(fiddled with? yes). The R&D costs too damned much. Every last Helo in production today came directly out of the military. Military is more interested in Speed/range/maneuverability and payload 2nd. KAMAN gets payload/stability/maneuverability, but... range... not exactly due to its low speed.
No swashplate. The blades are fixed to the grip and head. No pitch links are anything. It uses what are called flaperons on the blades and twists the blades for pitch.
Actually Jonathan, JB is wrong. The K1200 has two "swashplates" that Kaman Aerospace calls "azimuth assemblies" and are located on the bottom of the transmission assembly at each mast location. The azimuths take the movements of the flight controls and associated linkage and convert the inputs from "linear" to "rotational" in the same manner that a conventional swashplate does. The "pitchlinks" run up through the masts to the over center bell cranks, linkages and control rods that run internal through the main rotor blades out to the servo-tabs. They are 32" in length and respond with every pedal, cyclic or collective input accordingly. As the servo-tab moves it causes a resulting movement of the applicable rotor system.
I see why a 2x4 costs $8.00 now 🤔... and a wood blade for this aircraft is about a MILLION Bucks ! WOW ... but what a fantastic flying machine it is !😁
I have never seen this helicopter before. Very unique and different from other conventional helicopters... How can the propellers synchronize with each other and what if one of the blades gets stuck? Confused.. :D
The blades are connected to rotor shafts which run into a transmission. It is all connected with gears which keep them synchronized and preventing them from contacting each other. If one gets stuck as you say they both would get stuck but this wouldn't happen as the transmission is built very robust.
I Joined the Air Force in 1968 and was trained as an aero medical technician. I worked in the flight surgeon's office and one of our duties was to fly local base fire rescue and our helicopter was the Kaman HH43 husky with the call sign name of pedro. I had about 500 hours in this helicopter and 1 crash.... It was a great helicopter for lift and stability. It carried a crew of 4; Pilot,co-pilot, medic and firemen.
It is difficult to really balance them when they are alternating positions. the wheight shifts back and forth as the blades turn. one side gets heavier as the blades go out while the other side gets lighter. Then when in the air. the lift changes as the blades rotate.
Someone stole a ton of your footage for a video ABOUT the k max…thought you should know as it has you getting into it and using it..that’s how I found this video anyways… looking into getting into this kind of flying before it’s too late and I’m too old
On the North Coast there is no road access to a lot of places where we log so timber is dropped into what is called a pocket then once full, they are towed to the mill from there by a big tug.
So do you get twice the lifting power over a single blade, half more then a 4 bladed rotor? You would think the blades that cross over each other wouldn't get much stable air and wash each other out.. if that makes sense.
I think because of the direction of blade movement on a single rotor, half of the blade has increased lift going forward, then decreased lift going backward. With the dual rotors design, and the tilt, it makes it to where there is a high lift arc on both sides of the aircraft, and the low lift arcs don’t interfere so much. Plus, now you don’t need a tail rotor.
He must be amazing at the claw grabber games.
My Dad built the transmissions for kaman for almost 40 years before retirement. Awesome piece of equipment that’s for sure!
Hats off to your Dad and the great work he did.
I worked on a barge with this kmax and with Jay for that matter. Pretty amazing having this machine land outside your door...literally.
Great video Jay...and i LOVE the music.
As an ex Air Force chopper engineer and later pilot great film but PLEASE lets hear the rotors not the weird muzak?
Does anyone actually like overbearing background music instead of just machine noise. I know I dont
it's even worse because it's that AI produced streamer music that exactly nobody likes. banjo instrumental? sure, lovely. dumpster full of computers rolling down a flight of stairs? no. ideally we'd be hearing the props whipping and the turbine whining but nooooooooo
The background music is Alan Walker -fade
Maybe, just maybe you could cry a little bit more. Shall I send you a cry closet?
I always mute the speaker when a video had background "music", the sound ok the engine and rotors would be so much better.
Best helicopter on the market today. That T53 sounds GREAT ! who can beat the smell of avaition fuel in the morning !!
Charlie Kaman was a genius and and such an innovator!
Years ago my office was about a quarter mile down the road from Kaman's Bloomfield manufacturing and test facility. I loved watching the K-Max flying around the property with Jersey Barrier sized blocks of concrete. Very impressive for such a small aircraft. When the company was trying to seal a deal with the Australians for a different model it was cowboy air show every day.
Probably the best video on CZcams. Please keep them coming
I have video of HQ doing some replacement towers for BC Hydro, they were flown onto a friends property in Mission, was great being up close and personal watching these helicopters, thanks for the video !
Great footage. Thanks for taking the time to share.
And they put the song of the DIY usual youtube videos. Amazing job.
Having the pleasure of working with Mike up here in Pt McNeill. Great video, well done.
It's a joy to work with pros, keep up the good work, cheers.
I worked around this KMax quite a bit and had a tour of it when I worked for L&R Holdings Ltd. In Henderson Lake -WFP Alberni. I stayed on Closson ‘s barge camp as well in Effingham Inlet. It’s definitely a quick cycle helicopter. WFP always seemed to have decent volume planned to harvest for the unit.
been on fires with the kmax. super impressive! nice work!
Awesome Video. Thanks good flight and thumbs up.
Hello brother Jay
Huge respect for you and the job you are doing. Before I came to Canada I watch on Discovery channel this and I aways say this people are amazing doing this. Now I am very proud I know one of this pilots . RESPECT RESPECT RESPECT bro. 👍🚁🇨🇦
What a sick ass job to have. A job you can be excited to go to everyday.
Looks fun Jay.
You have an amazing life I wish you all the best on your dangerous journey. Risk is well worth the reward
So cool !!!
Basically the beaver of flying machines
"Nice beaver!" (Lt. Frank Drebin, looking up)
Omg I want this job!
My dad logged in the kmax for a lot of years only did grapple logging in Huey's he's got 4000 hours in the kmax and has done only fire fighting since the early 2000s that's when Rainer completely quit logging before that all they did was logging
Good deal Mathew. I've probably crossed paths with your dad at some point for its a small community of Kmax drivers.
Jay B last season he decided to retire from the kmax and go hop in a huey and for the last 5 years he hasn't flown anything with a tail rotor not the smoothest transition the first time back in it he threw on the 150ft and had to go pass a check ride on the spot last time he had flown a huey was 20 years ago he's already looking to get back in the kmax with one of the new production models but he's really getting tired of fires and wants to go logging
I flew beside your dad, Greg, many times on various different projects and locations. Good Kmax driver and glad to hear he's still flying.
I worked with your Dad with Erickson in the 80s
The K-Max was demo’d by the USN for ship to ship replenishment. Cost/hr, up time, speed.. kicked the CH-47’s butt. Boeing squashed it.
For years now they have used and demo’d the K-Max for field replenishment for the US Army in Iraq and Afganistan as a drone. Cheaper and faster.
The 2x its weight lift capability is a big winner. A pure lifting machine.
Great video ty
Glad you enjoyed it
The music really spoils this otherwise great video
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Jesus that cyclic shakes in the eggbeater
A single pilot runs the whole show? No crane man.....he needs a raise!
Worked with Midwest helicopters on a k max,logging up in Prince George area and around Lillooet,quiet machines
Ditto... North of Revelstoke.. Downey Valley... flew the support butterfly (206)... thought the Kmax was just a slow bird... until we left the landing site... I was about to aurtorotate b'cus I thought my engine had quit. The Max is very quick and climbs like rocket.
@@raymunro9894 yeah it’s pretty cool, I worked under the sky crane for five years and boy, that thing moves.
Would love to work a Kmax!! Cool video!
Jeff, Eric reckons this dude looks like you!!
@@stephaniescott3412 wish it was me driving a Kmax haha
@@Rimraz Eric wishes it was him too 🤣🤣
Where are the vibrations in the cyclic coming from? Is it standard? Btw, thanks for the great vid!
Great footage of the KMAX. Shame about the music, though.
it's like the same generic music in every video. this is modern times elevator music
God awful fucking music!
@@cheeeky_8763 So you noticed that too.
@@antr7493 its people are awesome compilation music xD
"Volume controls" are your friend.
Is that a Bullet hole at 2.40 near the ‘H’?
cool. saw this machine parked outside of alpine today
👍👍👍👌
Impressive
Great tech but hate to see the clearcut logging. I think spacex should use a k-max for fairing capture by hooking chute.
Anton Flettner was a genius!
Going by a max lift of 6k lbs, I guess this apparatus leaves about 4.5k- 5k lbs for a log. Pretty slick. 👍
Hard to imagine... the same guy Frank Kavan.. invented the Ovation (fibreglass) guitar.. !!
Wow some of the best camera angles I have seen in any Copter video. I noticed when you pick up timber you keep looking forward, are you looking at a load weight gauge?
That is correct. Your back and forth between load and gauges. 👍🏻
@@BlythmanInc Gauges meaning Rotor Torque or do you also have a weight gauge on the hook?
Yes we have a load scale in the A/C that we reference when we are lifting.
Prob a stupid question but why in the water?
Does it come with airbags?
[Not a pilot] Is there always that much feedback in the cyclic on a K-max?
Such a cool helicopter. What's the long line payload capacity?
6000LBS
Seeing Kmax, I wonder why they bother with other choppers?
Khadijah Brown The K-MAX is optimized for lifting capacity. For example, it is quite slow compared to other helicopters. Also, the tilted rotors do pose an increased hazard for passengers and maintenance crew.
@@germansnowman what about safety & stability? Does it behave well under autorotation due to loss of power, as compared to other helicopters? There are other Kaman-type intermeshing rotor designs besides K-MAX. Do they all suffer from the same slowness and similar shortcomings?
manofsan I am no expert, but from what I have read, it is just as safe as other helicopters in terms of autorotation. It reacts a bit differently though to control inputs and so on, so pilots are trained by Kaman in a Husky (two-seater). I would think that the limitations are inherent to the fundamental design, not just the K-MAX.
nice
Looks like prince of Wales island Alaska
I used to rig under this pilot in nelson bc
Serious Air Muscle
@Jay B >>> Why has the synchromesh rotor system used on the K-Max *not* been adopted by other helicopter manufacturers?
Cause they would be admitting that Charlie Kaman's system is superior. lol
@@BlythmanInc >>> I really HATE "human nature" sometimes.
{Thanks for the reply!}
IF you do NOT want high speed, then intermeshed at an angle(KAMAN) is superior for LIFT/stability/maneuverability. More efficient lift, but has SERIOUS drawback in terms of speed/range. Lots of drag at high speed. Ultimately double contra rotating is superior yet, but is more complicated. Why Kaman IS the workhorse and another batch have been built, but not upgraded over the old.
You will note, no helos get developed outside of government military contracts(fiddled with? yes). The R&D costs too damned much. Every last Helo in production today came directly out of the military. Military is more interested in Speed/range/maneuverability and payload 2nd. KAMAN gets payload/stability/maneuverability, but... range... not exactly due to its low speed.
the operators must have no fear of that aluminium ladder being blown around by the rotor wash.
Lot of bounce in that cyclic, what’s that like?
Shakes all day. Very Armstrong to fly.
does the K-Max have a swashplate as other helicopters or does it just use its rudders to control pitch and roll?
No swashplate. The blades are fixed to the grip and head. No pitch links are anything. It uses what are called flaperons on the blades and twists the blades for pitch.
Actually Jonathan, JB is wrong. The K1200 has two "swashplates" that Kaman Aerospace calls "azimuth assemblies" and are located on the bottom of the transmission assembly at each mast location. The azimuths take the movements of the flight controls and associated linkage and convert the inputs from "linear" to "rotational" in the same manner that a conventional swashplate does. The "pitchlinks" run up through the masts to the over center bell cranks, linkages and control rods that run internal through the main rotor blades out to the servo-tabs. They are 32" in length and respond with every pedal, cyclic or collective input accordingly. As the servo-tab moves it causes a resulting movement of the applicable rotor system.
KMAXdawg is correct. I should of clarified no traditional swashplates. Appreciate you explaining in it.
I see why a 2x4 costs $8.00 now 🤔... and a wood blade for this aircraft is about a MILLION Bucks ! WOW ... but what a fantastic flying machine it is !😁
I have never seen this helicopter before. Very unique and different from other conventional helicopters...
How can the propellers synchronize with each other and what if one of the blades gets stuck? Confused.. :D
The blades are connected to rotor shafts which run into a transmission. It is all connected with gears which keep them synchronized and preventing them from contacting each other. If one gets stuck as you say they both would get stuck but this wouldn't happen as the transmission is built very robust.
Nice to reply.. Thanks for your information...
Have a nice day ;)
@@BlythmanInc Where is your company based at? How big is the helicopter fleet?
@@electricaviationchannelvid7863 Denver Colorado. We have 20 a helicopters
@@BlythmanInc I am guessing flying/handling/stability wise this must be close to a coaxial design helicopter such as the Kamov types?
I'm watching one less then 3/4 mile from my house.uniqye sound.sounds like it's ideling
It would have been better if the floor was transparent, or the pilot had a camera mounted on the claw, right?
I Joined the Air Force in 1968 and was trained as an aero medical technician. I worked in the flight surgeon's office and one of our duties was to fly local base fire rescue and our helicopter was the Kaman HH43 husky with the call sign name of pedro. I had about 500 hours in this helicopter and 1 crash.... It was a great helicopter for lift and stability. It carried a crew of 4; Pilot,co-pilot, medic and firemen.
these kmax machines vibrate and shake a lot. Blades unbalanced or something?
It is difficult to really balance them when they are alternating positions. the wheight shifts back and forth as the blades turn. one side gets heavier as the blades go out while the other side gets lighter. Then when in the air. the lift changes as the blades rotate.
I bothered by the off center strobe on the bracket in between the rotors
Are you now for Rotex Ag💪💪💪
Where’s the Blackhawk?!
Someone stole a ton of your footage for a video ABOUT the k max…thought you should know as it has you getting into it and using it..that’s how I found this video anyways… looking into getting into this kind of flying before it’s too late and I’m too old
Good video, but I don'tlike the idea to use dino juice for logging.
Y'all hiring?
Well, if even skyline logging is not an option, this is the only chance.
Why are the logs dropped into the water
On the North Coast there is no road access to a lot of places where we log so timber is dropped into what is called a pocket then once full, they are towed to the mill from there by a big tug.
@@BlythmanInc makes sense. Thank you for sharing
No music needed. why stick it on a helicopter video ?
Пипец у него вибрации!
How can it be enjoyed with that ghastly musak soundtrack...
So do you get twice the lifting power over a single blade, half more then a 4 bladed rotor? You would think the blades that cross over each other wouldn't get much stable air and wash each other out.. if that makes sense.
I think because of the direction of blade movement on a single rotor, half of the blade has increased lift going forward, then decreased lift going backward. With the dual rotors design, and the tilt, it makes it to where there is a high lift arc on both sides of the aircraft, and the low lift arcs don’t interfere so much. Plus, now you don’t need a tail rotor.
If i remember correctly, the lift is not quite twice as much, but it is more than a single rotor design.
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Interesting, apart from the annoying music.
8 + millions dollar for a helicopter to only lift 1 max 6000lb. log at a time ! How much lift weights if I spend 12 + millions ? 😂😂😂
What a mess
The background music was unnecessary and stupid.
WHY the stupid music WHY ? channel changed
The "MUSIC"... *SUCKS!!* (bigly)
next time do it without this shit that some call music... better be silent video... its so annoying i cant even comment anything else
Agree
Geeezus y'all... wipe the dirt off your sunglasses and just enjoy the video... put cotton in your ears if you are noise challenged... GET A LIFE.!!