10 Reasons I Daily Drive a Foldable
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Foldables are pretty cool, but are they worth the money? Linus has been daily driving one for a few years and thinks he might be able to convince you.
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Linus uses products with issues because he believes in them. I use things with issues because I'm broke and it makes decent things seem better. We are not the same
You forgot to add "we are not the same".
@@infernaldaedra tbf, he doesn't always talk about his phones--he's been legitmately daily carrying the fold 3 for a while now and you see him pull it out constantly on the like tech upgrades which are less scritped event.
Lol folds are rhe best. Get experience! Haters are jealous, not experienced parts of the high tech/productivity demographic, or Apple apologists! Your loss!Byee!
@@Zanshin001shut
He uses cheap phones because when they break he can afford to buy a new one.
The price is the only thing keeping me from buying a Fold. I really want one too because I'm one of those people whose hands are too big for normal-sized phones and typing on them is a constant exercise in frustration.
I bought my fold 3 as an A++ refurbished unit a year ago, rather than spending the same on a new Pixel. I really havent looked back either. There are ways as long as you are careful, to get a fold for far less than the MSRP.
The phone arrived basically looking brand new, and still has zero issues to this day. The only thing I had to do was replace the screen protector around 1 year into owning it.
Which seemingly is common. This only cost around £8
You can lease from carriers. Usually with a trade in the lease won't be much
I'm pretty much in the same boat... I have some minor nerve damage on both hands, which isn't bad enough to really complicate my life in any meaningful way, but it does make a couple of my fingers feel pretty stiff and clumsy at times, which can make hitting small keys really frustrating. Problem is, I'm kinda broke, and because of the aforementioned reason, I don't trust myself to not drop my phone constantly, so I don't really want to commit to a 3 year payment plan 😂
I got my fold4 on sale before the fold 5 came out and samsung offered a 0% interest payment plan for it. If you consider inflation, I'm actually going to get more of a discount on it than buying it upfront. Some options out there to consider
Depending the region, they aren't as expensive, especially when compared to iphones. Androids are a completely different situation though.
For example, i bought my fold 4, brand new (pre-ordered actually) in UK. It was around 1650£ in price. Got about 200£ off for my broken galaxy s10+ in trade-in costing mein 1450£ at the end. On top of it, Samsung bundled in Samsung care+, a charger, 1 year disney+ subscription, s-pen, a case and their latest galaxy buds 2 pro which alone were worth 220£ at that time since they were launched alongside the fold 4.
Comparing that with Apple which doesn't give away anything for free, it was quite a deal, especially considering foldables are still in their infancy in terms of tech.
But again, comparing with other androids, the price does seem quite a lot, especially since Samsung bundles most of these things with their S series as well
The main gaming feature that phones like this stand out for is literally so you can emulate a DS like for like. Its the same form factor and i can imagine how cool it must be to get such a immersive ds experience on a modern phone
a modded used ds costs about $1600 less than a folding phone tho! 😂
A modded used ds isnt a phone
@Nate0808 it's a whole different vibe just opening the emulator on your everyday phone all in one device compared to having to carry around another brick, but I get your point, the price is incredibly high
@@Nate0808 People mod those? That sounds sick. I still have one in storage that still works. I HAVE to see one modded. That's insane.
Same form factor -except for the buttons. Touchscreen buttons are never a replacement for the real thing and third party solutions tend to add a few inches to the sides of the screen.
I was due for an upgrade and decided to give a fold phone a try. I thought I wouldn't open it often but it would be nice for certain things. I am finding so many reasons to open it. I actually enjoy the smaller size when it's closed, I wear and XL glove and found most phones difficult to hold and use for one hand operation and this fold phone is so much more comfortable. I also really like the thicker size when closed and it actually fits better in a pocket.
Not only does it fit better in my pocket (shorter and wider on the Pixel Fold was actually what sold me on it), but the thicker device is easier to hold. I find that with normal candybar phones they are so thin there is nothing to really hold on to, and I would drop mine pretty frequently. I have (so far) dropped my Pixel Fold exactly 0 times. (Knock on wood). It is just so much more gripable and easier to handle due to both the thickness and the overall size being shorter. I am not having to slide the phone around in my hands to reach the top, and it is just generally super refreshing to have a phone that is actually designed for human hands to operate.
I never thought I would be a fold guy. I have seen them around for a while and always thought they looked cool but niche, expensive, and gimmicky. But the Pixel Fold has sold me 100% on the design. Samsung has been wasting their time with their crap tall and skinny Z Folds.
I expected to open it all the time, and I do. Any time I'm using both hands on my phone, it's open. Any time I need to show a picture or video to someone, it's open. It comes in handy at my job at a school, because in the event I need to show a group of students something on my phone, they can actually all see it - this has happened 2 or 3 times in the 3 months I've been working there full time.
Is it worth $1800? I don't know. Is it worth the $600 I paid for it secondhand, less the $150 I sold my old phone for? Heck yeah. And I'm sold on the form factor, next year I plan to trade in and upgrade for $540 if a similar Black Friday deal to this year appears, a total of about $1000 to try a Fold 4 in 2023-24 and then get a Fold 6 - a far cry from spending $1800 on a Fold 5 like the list price would make you think.
I went for a Fold3 due to the large screen size helping with my visual impairment. While you can increase the font size on a regular Android phone, a lot of apps break as they just aren't designed with that in mind. The larger screen helps prevent app layouts breaking. I did need to get the screen protector replaced recently, just outside of the 1 year Samsung guarantees them for, but they replaced it while I waited free of charge.
I just upgraded from a Fold3 to a Fold5 - the screen protector has gotten much better and almost no apps break. The 3 to the 5 was big leap (4 to 5 is more incremental) and you might look into it if you're due for an upgrade.
I've totally seen (well, at least I tried) that movie. Note 9 is completely horrible in that regard and I'd love to have a Fold instead... but that price tag is putting me off hard.
BTW the real $#!+show goes in the Google Play App if you switch off automatic update with that CHUNGUS warning banner that you can't click away on top asking you to enable auto updates, being so HUGE that you can't manually update your apps anymore, because they aren't even listed on the screen anymore. Hate having to reduce font size and zoom everytime for that. C'MON, GOOGLE!
It'll form a crack down the seam eventually, they all do. A shame, i loved my Fold 3
@@f36443 My Fold 3 did the same after about a year. I feel you.
So the maintenance is a hassle? Heres my question, does it worth it?
I find it funny how we went from flip phones back to flip phones. We’ve come full circle.
Where the screen is on the outside now, rather than the inside like the old flips. Techies are such rebels 😂
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Exactly!!!
Now I'm just hoping we can come back around to slide out keyboards. I miss those.
Well, before they folded over the horizontal line. Now they fold over the vertical line
So glad you made that shout out about the torch thing, i do that on a regular basis too on my fold 4 and dont think ive heard anyone mention before, honestly such a life saver at times. The 4/3 content too that slaps on these types of screens both old shows and emulating ps2 games
All these points make sense, and I would buy a folding phone if I didn't already have a flipping one.
For my use case in particular, the super compact form factor of a flip far outweigh the advantages a fold brings simply because I work in construction. Yes, I am frequently in dusty environments and working outside in hot weather, which doesn't sound good for a flip phone, but the size of it means that I can fit it into those little chest pockets on safety vests/jackets and keep it up and out of my gross, sweaty pant pockets. Plus, if I do get a phone call during the day, it's always quicker and easier for me to grab my phone out of a chest pocket than digging into the pockets on my work pants.
The other big selling point for flip phones for me is that, in contrast to one of the points in this video for folding phones, I have quite small hands. My hand size means that even candy bar phones, like my last Pixel 3 XL, were literally always a 2 handed operation. The extra narrow profile and extra small size of my new Z Flip 5 means I can use it one handed, and my entire hand can wrap around my phone like a child holding onto their favourite toy if I don't want to drop my phone accidentally.
Yeah, these 2 reasons I mentioned are honestly pretty minor in the big picture, but they have managed to be such important and critical factors of how I use my phone that I wouldn't trade my Flip 5 for any folding phone ever.
Foldable phones have come so far but they have so far to go, excited to see and hoping newer companies like nothing jump in on this
Nothing for example
Nothing fone is junk 😑
@@toboekey cheaper and near as good as samsung
Honestly, I would be 10x more excited if we could get full phat Linux phones off the ground such as the PinePhone Pro. When it came out, software for it was pretty buggy, but I've heard it's really improved since then, plus it has Android emulation.
The best indicator for when foldables have come far enough to be viable for the average person is when Apple makes one lmao.
It doesn’t have to be one made by Apple, but you can be sure that Apple will either jump on the trend once it is good enough, or will make it good enough and then other companies will catch on.
4:53 the manga is oshi no ko, a recommended read indeed
Did I see discord light mode???? 🤢
I’m really debating on buying the next Flip to come out. I’ve currently got an iPhone 13, but I’m beginning to become bored with this locked ecosystem. They don’t really offer different sizes, and I like smaller phones which is why I think the flip is perfect. Full phone and I can fold it in half. The Fold isn’t bad either, it’s just not what I need rn.
That’s exactly how I’m feeling. The only thing stopping me is I absolutely love my Apple Watch and AirPods. I know my AirPods will work fine but I’m finding it hard to give up my watch 😩
@@MelonHead830 Google makes a nice watch. Not as good as something like the Series 9 or Ultra 2, but better than most smartwatches.
@@MelonHead830 I haven't ever been in the Apple Ecosystem really other than back in 2010 I bought a MacBook. I wouldn't really count that though since I had completely stripped of apple software within 6 months of owning the thing. Slapped rEFIt on it and went to a fully windows only install.
But, what exactly does the Apple Watch really do for you? I am asking because I have a TicWatch Pro 3 GPS which I have been using for about 3 years now and honestly the only feature I ever use is seeing notifications without having to pull my phone out while I am at work. Don't get me wrong, it has a TON of other features, but I just don't really find them very important in my daily life.
What does the Apple Watch do that is so important to you that you would be willing to stay locked into a subpar phone? I know it can do a lot and I have friends who are in love with theirs. But, I just don't really understand what it could possibly be doing for them that is so important they would stay trapped on phones they really don't like. Like, my friend Christian has told me for YEARS how he would love to switch from Apple to Android, but he loves his watch too much, and I just legitimately don't get it. It almost feels like someone telling me they would love to buy a new car, since their old one is lacking key features, but they are worried about losing their aftermarket infotainment system. Maybe I am just missing something truly magical about the apple watch though.
@@MelonHead830 You only live once, do it. It's an eco-system it wont affect your day-to-day life. I went from iPhone to Android and never went back.
@@CalMillward I did it. So happy! I love my pixel fold. I still actually wear my apple watch as a Fitbit alternative and it's not bad
Long Time Fold user here. Little known disadvantage to using your main camera for selfies: the much shallower focus plane means that in selfies with friends, usually one of them is out of focus.
Not complaining, but that actually pushes me to use the normal selfie camera when im around people.
Have you tried not having friends like the rest of us here?
Many main cameras have variable aperture which you could use in pro mode to get more depth of field.
@@akillersquirrel5880great advice.
@@drkastenbrot they do not. I remember my old S9 and S10 having it, but they discontinued that tech a long time ago. Might be worth bringing back tbh.
Use the ultrawide.
Foldable phones are a rather lovely idea when phone size is considered. I'd never want a huge phone, but having a bigger screen is quite useful, and foldable phones potentially could be smaller and still have some screen area left. Additionally, they can be folded, isn't that silly?
I'm the rare exception lol. I want a huge phone. I'm a huge almost 7ft tall guy, and the Samsung s22 ultra, one of the biggest phones out there, looks like an old iPod in my hands 🤣. I'm definitely going for a fold in a few years when my current installment ends lol
I'm rocking a fold 4 atm.. and I do like it, but will actually upgrade? To the smaller pixel when it's released. I have a new born, so using my device one handed a lot and that's just worse with a fold.
@@KevinSecondWind I'm a pretty average sized guy and daily drive a 6.5" iPhone, and I think I could comfortably enjoy an even larger phone. The extra screen real estate would come in super handy.
I'm pretty solidly an iPhone user so I doubt foldables are in my future any time soon as I can't see Apple making a foldable phone until _all_ the kinks are worked out.
@@SuperSpy00bobI'm staying on my iPhone 10, I don't really care all _too_ much about having up to date software support.
Also, I'm very interested in switching back to android because, well, I'm a power user*, and I hate being harassed with ads. (And yes, it IS harassment).
*If "power user" meant poking around games with GameGuardian and turning ancient flip phones into graphing calculators. Lol.
I hate large screens because they are pointless
1 reasons linus doesnt daily drive a foldable: pool
Pixel is waterproof. :P
@@TheDarkestStar1 ...ok? He dropped his fold into his pool and killed it
How's the daily dive, uh.... I mean drive goin' for ya?
Having a pixel 7 pro, i would love the pixel fold. But when its £1800 vs the £650 i spent on this. I could buy my phone a 7a for my wife and still gave nearly half the price left over (which i did)
Guess i could also buy a good tablet too and still have money left over. That price is just unjustifiable for the same specs or worse that the 7pro (excepting the screens)
Yea I agree, normal phone + tablet is currently a greater experience than a folding phone for half the price
yes unf the price is a real hindrance. like a miniled sony tv or last year oled tv costs less than a fold or iphone at launch...really... and it will last for 3 yrs, mayhbe 4 before phoen would ened change...esp when amazing midrange really amazing colst 1/4 or 1/3th the price and as a medium user with a life, id never notice the difference
Or you buy 2 pixel 7 pro and tape them together on the backside, do some software mod and connect the two phones via bluetooth. The poor mans fold.
Look at price comparison websites. Prices for these drop to around 1k during their first year of sale
The foldable screens aren't a cheap technology, nor are they a durable one either. In fact, they seem to just be a way to get you to spend more money on something more expensive because it not only costs more, it wears out faster. Planned obsolescence is a thing. And with right to repair laws coming into play again, they have to make thing need repairs to make any money because they can't make them one shot disposables anymore to force the sale of a new device instead of an affordable repair. It makes sense in a business model to head in the direction of making the repairs needed the most expensive repairs they can manage to...
After an entire life of getting the oldest supported phones and whatever the carrier was offering for a good deal to continue my already going contract, I decided to splurge and go for the Fold4 about a year ago. I'm honestly never going back. Having a screen I can just take with me that doesn't feel cramped for watching things is incredible, not to mention that it's like the perfect size for reading ebooks or comics, things that feel better with the wider format.
I am on opposite side of a spectrum. I have 1st gen SE and I never swap it to anything, because there are nothing to swap it to. It's very handy because it's small. I can hold it with one hand and reach any point of the screen at the same time. It's not possible on Fold
@@manoftherainshorts9075then buy the 13 mini….. literally the perfect upgrade
@@manoftherainshorts9075the fold front screen is very much one hand user friendly. And if that's too big for you, then there is the flip. But personally I don't feel the flip is necessary. I love my fold 4 for the big inner screen and the 2 handed use is great
same here with the flip 5. Amazing
@Coffeebeans
Ohh so edgy, just get a tablet and stop attention seeking
Im currently using a surface duo 2 and I love it for all the same reasons. I just can't switch back to a candybar anymore, but with the issues with the flexible screens I don't really want to switch to those as well... Lovely spot to be in
Have they fixed the bugs on the surface duo 2? I'm a fold 4 user because the surface duo had too many bugs and software problems, but the duo is my preferred type of device because of durability.
The problem I have with foldables and the primary reason it cant replace my tablet is the aspect ratio, most of what I use my tablet for is video playback which is either 16:9, 18:9 or 21:9 and all of these end up barley being much bigger on a fold due to the big black bars on the top and bottom than a regular phone. I'd be interested in a triple foldable device like what was shown at CES 2022 but the current square foldables don't do anything for me.
well yeah ofc it doesn't do anything for you when you have a dedicated device that had a large screen
they're extremely useful for those of us who don't have multiple devices
For me it is much less about having the perfect device for any given specific task, and instead having one device that is able to do a serviceable job for every task, and that I have on me at all times. As Linus stated in the video, you aren't going to have a tablet in your pocket everywhere you go, but you will have your phone. And while the folding screen is FAR from perfect for modern video content, it is still a MUCH better viewing experience than the standard phone display.
I recently upgraded from a S21 Ultra to the Pixel Fold, and what really sold me on it is that I felt like I wasn't making any compromises on my phone, and instead just getting a bonus tablet mode. With all of the Z Folds I never liked the form factor since it always felt like Samsung set out to make a super mediocre tablet that had to be able to turn into a phone, while google made a really solid phone that also featured a serviceable tablet. It will never be the best device for the job when it comes to tablet things, but it will always be the one I actually have on me when I need it.
I really wanted to buy a fold until I saw the price and was like "yeah not happening any time soon", will definitely buy if costs go down a bit
Can get them for 1k like all the other phones cost
@@djjoey0812 all the other phones? 1k is very high end
@djjoey0812 I've checked now, and it does seem like the cost of the fold 3 has been reduced significantly, I was on the hunt for a new phone about a year ago and I was something like 2K$, maybe my next phone will be a fold! (Not anytime soon tho cus I only had this phone for like a year)
@djjoey0812 Is it that hard for you to realize that most of us aren't paying a thousand dollars for phone?
I got a samsung s21 fe for $350 on Amazon warehouse. I honestly don't like it but that's just due to my dislike of their software.
But I also have a oneplus n20, which I do love and it is also around the same price range new.
Both of these phones are around a year old model when I got them, so New enough to give good performance and get good support still but also missing that new phone premium price.
By the way, T-Mobile was giving out the 1 + 4 free. And it is a mid-range phone just by having 2 lines but it was within my budget either way.
Basically, there are plenty of good phones that are nowhere near a thousand dollars if you're more worried about performance rather than fancy features
I bought my fold 3 as an A++ refurbished unit a year ago, rather than spending the same on a new Pixel. I really havent looked back either. There are ways as long as you are careful, to get a fold for far less than the MSRP.
The phone arrived basically looking brand new, and still has zero issues to this day. The only thing I had to do was replace the screen protector around 1 year into owning it.
Which seemingly is common. This only cost around £8
8:57 had the same issue with my first Flip 3. The screen protector also serves as a barrier to not let those plasticizers escape from the top most layer of the screen. Once those plasticizer are gone the plastic screen can no longer absorp the folding procedures that well causing the top layer to crack open.
I now use Whitstone premium film on my Flip 3 and this one holds up strong since almost a year now. Most likely gonna use this also on my Flip 5 once it's screen protector starts to bubble up.
4:53 I never knew that I could see Oshi No Ko in Linus Tech Tips, what a world we live in
With the Fold 5, Samsung made a Foldable that doesn't have any huge compromises in terms of build quiality and should be the new benchmark (no doubt there are some better Chinese foldables but availability is an issue) from now on. Other than the plastic screen (which I never made a scratch for almost 3 years I used a Fold 2 before), it looks like a normal phone, feels good in the hand, no gaps, wedge shape, creaks, or cheap materials. We'll have wait and see if there are issues with the screen like with the previous version ( I personally never had that), but after one and a half it's still perfect.
Now that big screen phones are gone, this is the only real option to have a proper size screen available. Plus when Folded half, it's a tiny phone for one handed use. The price is an issue, but at least the Flip style phones are getting reasonable (and buying a second hand Fold is always an an option).
I hope they continue to develop these kinds of phones. I hope one day the can make a design that doesn't break so fast
Better no
It's called LG thinq fold
I love the idea of using a big screen foldable phone but I don't even buy phones at flagship prices so the price is a big no no for me, and I would consider spending close to 999 for one of these if they could last 5 years without issue, but as Linus pointed out, the foldable screens seem to be too much of a hit or miss, you always see a new post from someone who has a fold telling their screen died or has bubbles, etc. In other words, it is a cool luxury/rich-enthusiast device, it's an expensive phone that only makes sense for someone that if it dies in less than a year or 2, you won't be too mad about having to buy a new one (or just can't afford to replace). So, for the time being I'll just wait and hope that in a few years they start to last more and get cheaper, we'll see.
I hear you, but I can tell you if mine breaks, im just gonna buy another used one for a good deal second-hand, or snatch a used one with two year warranty from phone sales company. Ive had my fold4 for a month now. The hype is real! Its no going back for me - deadass.
Bought my unit second-hand with no warranty or recite for 800$. Its so damn good. The big 7.4 120hz oled is the truth!
Same here. My phone need at least 5years in it ill be mad if it cracks after 2years. 1700usd? Really? Ill rather spend that much elsewhere.
@@cheetahrunout buy used. Stop dreaming about it, and just do it! You only live 1nce. Tis a helluva gadget. People notice it. Youll be "that" guy. The risk is worth the reward. If youre not satisfied, just sell it forward to the next victim.
I just upgraded to my first foldable and it feels so liberating haha. I'd always get a headache trying to reply to friends and family, or trying to split screen some apps for notetaking, but now writing out messages and replying feels so much better and so much easier on the eyes. I've gone from the person who only replies once a week or two, to someone who can comfortably hold a continuous texting conversation in one sitting
I have the Fold4 waited until the price dropped a bit. Been rocking it for a year now. I got tired of my big slab of an iPhone Pro Max. I really like the size and the function of it. Small when you need it and big when you need it. I don't think I can go back to a non foldable phone. Wish there were a lot more options to choose from.
I feel everyone who likes foldable screen dont own a PC or a laptop. Thats why they are so easily impressed. Theyve never seen a big screen. For me a phone shouldnt have a big display, I watch movies playing video games browse internet on my PC mostly.
@@fynkozari9271 following the logic of "specific device for a specific task", you should use a camera for pictures, a calculator for calculations etc. The point of these kinds of features is to give an opportunity, not to be your one-for-all device.
@@fynkozari9271 I own 5 laptop's, 6 PC's, an IMac and 5 VR headsets. I build water cooled PC's for fun. I am a software engineer. I have a foldable because I love new tech. I am also a 64 year old women. Does that fit your idea.
@@fynkozari9271burned enough yet?
whats the biggest reason for using a fold screen, watchign videos or what, i dont rea dmuch or watch to omany videos just use it for home automation apps and ubereats texting once in a while, is it worth it for me, even browser i barely use because i usually use the pc and find phone borwsers annoying unless im in a cab or something@@lorilatta3996
I've been needing a video like this. I've wanted a folding phone since the fold 3 but I've always stopped myself from pulling the trigger because of the cameras. And after going to a store to check on the camera for the 5 I was right. To me, because I take A LOT of pictures and videos I'd rather stay with the quality of the s22 ultra. But I can't wait to see future devices with better cameras for me to switch
This is exactly what I was thinking. I don't care about cameras but the zoom on it is nice. I want to keep mine until it quits getting supported or dies and hopefully then they have something that is much more durable.
I have the fold 4 and this is exactly what killed my excitement with it. The cameras were such a let down I went straight back to the s22 Ultra.
I've had the Fold4 for over a year and found every positive in this video to be baffling, I have a counter argument for every single one of them. The phone is terrible, and I don't see many people in a position to buy a device like this being sold on the benefits here. Like for example, statistically and in all liklihood how many people in a position to have 2k to drop on a phone will want to play 2 player phone games with their friends...?? Sorry but if you've reached that point in life where you have and can justify 2k on a phone, you're not still playing phone games with your buddies, you've moved on and have a life to deal with. Always exceptions, but as a rule that's going to be the case.
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When I was a kid I always played on my nintendo 2DS and 3DS, that showed me just how useful a folding device can be.
I'm hoping to see foldable phones become more affordable!
I assume your 2DS showed how bulky the console is without being foldable, right? Or did you mean DS?
@@leonro The 2DS XL folds, and being that it was released in 2017, someone who got one brand new when they were 12 would be 18 now...
...my back hurts just saying that.
@@BlooestDamn, we're old, man.
I can't imagine that it's been eight years since I bought Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate for my New3DS...time flies.
Actually emulating ds games on samsung's flip line is an amazing experience! You do have to go through a bit of extra effort to make the screens line up with the two halves of the phone but once you do it feels far more like a ds than emulating it on anything else!
@@Blooest I've never heard anyone refer to the new 2DS XL as just a 2DS, so I didn't consider it
On that note, I feel sorry for anyone who got the new 2DS XL. It's got the worst build quality of all 3DS models, lacks 3D, and looks rather silly with that smartphone-like display.
My wife and I both had fold 3's just about the same age as Linus's, until about a week ago. Thought by version 3 should be pretty "worked out" and LTT had reviewed them. I'm a coder so I don't go out and get dirty, etc., so keep that in mind. My inner screen, out of the blue, just crackled and broke down the fold, nothing in there .. just crrraaccckkk. I do not unfold all the time just when I need more visible space. It worked, but with a big black bar down the middle. Needless to say it was not paid off and I was not happy.
My wife and I agreed, with a case these are kinda heavy and a bit bulky. The outside screen where you spend most your time is rather narrow. Apps don't seem to consistently support the narrow outer or wider inner screens well. I loved the larger screen for the size, my vision isn't great so its nice to have a bit more space for bigger stuff. It was great on planes for movies and such.
In the end we paid off both of them early, traded into Samsung for the cracked and uncracked trade in's and both got S23 Ultra's. I'm thinking the screens are really a risk point still. Something to consider. The weight/size is noticeable. And really did not use the inner screen to justify the risk. I don't code on it and not a content provider like LTT so probably not as useful to me as for him. Its way too much money for the risk. I still have my old S1 candy bar on a charger still running downstairs. Go figure.
I find it funny that he submerged his phone into his pool 3 weeks after... rip!! Love you Linus
I've been daily driving a "foldable" for the last 3 years. The reason I put that in quotations is because until just a few months ago I was using the lgv60 which is NOT a folding phone but does come with the amazing "dual screen case" unfortunately over the last year i've been experiencing more and more software issues and i couldn't just get a new model lg because lg stopped so i upgraded to the fold 4 and i couldn't be happier. There's obviously a few things that aren't perfect about it but it's a strict upgrade from the v60+dual screen since I no longer have a HUGE black line down the center of my "wide view" apps amongst other things.
give it a year and you'll have that black line again
The conversation starter thing is very true. It feels like my Fold 4 gets comments almost every time I pull it out to pay for something. I'm not sure I particularly want the attention, but in today's world I'm kind of on board for anything that helps break the ice even a little bit. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
If you really don't want the attention you could try not paying with your phone, there's bound to be some technology for that. 🙂
I started with a Z Fold 3 and just upgraded to a Z Flip 5. I love it and as long as they keep improving foldables, I will stick with them.
What about people like me who only buys a new phone every 3 years? 1+5T almost 5 years, 8T 1 year. Regular smartphones just wont die, folding easily die, fragile design.
@@fynkozari9271 This is of course a problem right now. But over time, as the sales of these phones increase, they will improve it further.
I've been using Galaxy Fold 2 (replaced by Fold 3 after a flood at a camping 2 years ago) and I just don't know if I'll ever be able to go back. The extra screen estate is just so good to always have with you for showing pictures of your cats, or reading a book on the Kindle app, or browsing or CZcams... I do miss the camera of the Galaxy S20 Ultra, but that's a small-ish price to pay (unlike the phone itself).
I considered a foldable and got one. 7 months later when the middle screen delaminated and Samsung refused to honor the warranty and I ended up stuck with a $2200cdn front screen I left fold. S23 is now the daily driver.
Which one was it? The fold 3?
That sucks. I got the folding screen replacement covered when the protector started coming off. There were some other issues though and they changed out the whole folding screen.
Sue?
@@christiand2426read the ToS? You sign away your right to.
@@christiand2426 it would probably cost more than you would get back. suing samsung isnt cheap.
I would really love to see a video like this on the flip phones like the Z Flip 5.
I think for very specific people, it can be a really awesome experience 💕
Yeah, I much rather would look at that, than I ever would with a fold.
I got a Z Fold 5 about 3 weeks ago. Spectrum had $1000 off the price. Much better than the S23+ I had before. So easy to text on, pictures look better, and I can use the split screen to comparison shop on one side and have the calculator on the other. Worth it for me.
Someone at LTT is into Oshi No Ko, nice reference at 4:54 having the manga on!
I use dex a ton on my fold 2, amazes me that I can replace a phone and a tablet as well as being able to have a full desktop experience with my phone, desktop web browsing with mobile apps on a monitor, but obviously not much gaming (other than emulation) or any non browser productivity
Would love a foldable phone. Having a bigger screen on-the-go like that is like a dream, but the price and fragility of the device is a major concern for me. Outer screen is also still too narrow for my taste, and it needs to be wider.
I came for the tech, stayed for the old-timey sponsor segues.
Got my Pixel fold about a month ago now. Agree with every single point here, though I do want to say if you get one you will worry about it. I was the dude rocking a naked phone my entire life, never actually worrying about if I'll break it because I know how to hold onto a phone, but I can't help but worry about the folding screen breaking from anything other than being incredibly gentle with the entire device. Probably don't have to but it's $1800 and I want this thing to last at least 18 months
For anyone wondering, the manga shown in 4:53 is Oshi No Ko ‘s first chapter. Banger series and awesome anime btw.
I got my LG G8x ThinQ with the dual screen case back in 2019 and still use it today. I *much* prefer it to a foldable due to it having none of the negatives you mentioned, except thickness. It's basically like running a desktop with two monitors instead of one ultrawide. Running separate apps always works and, if you crack the 2nd screen, replacing it is easy and less than $200. It's age is showing, though, with the speed and camera not keeping up to modern standards.
My daily drive for me is a LG V60 and no way in the near futur i gonna buy a foldable one.
I wish my 2nd screen still worked on my g8x. I stored it in working condition and got it out a couple years later for it to not work anymore.
@@trevorgray3681 you can still buy a replacement for it
It's why I absolutely loved my Surface Duo 2. Sadly, Microsoft's gonna Microsoft and the support for it started falling off. Ended up switching to a Pixel Fold, though I kept the Duo as a backup in case something broke. I pick up the Duo 2 every so often and it's still a joy to use.
I just got the Z Flip 5 yesterday and wow I am really impressed.. The folding screen is so good and that 3 and a half inch flex window screen is a game changer
Mine's in the mail! Super excited!!!
I wanted the Z flip but they just won't add Samsung Dex. I use it daily and it's a shame.
@@Kirby5588 TF is Dex?
I've never touched that pre installed bloatware.
@@tswan137 not bloatware it has a good use. For travel it's a smart tv, for home it's a desktop to go alongside my Xbox.
@@Kirby5588 I'll look into it. I've always just used Google remote desktop
I got my gen 3 fold a day before release. I've been loving it. No issues at all, other than when I charge with a cord and want to text text, it'll get wonky and type random stuff at times. No biggie. Other than the screen protector peeling again, it's perfect
I had the Z fold 4 for a few months right after it came out. I found that I used the outer screen more often than the inner one. The big screen was nice, but because of its odd shape, I actualy have more screen for media like movies or youtube videos on my galaxy s23 ultra. I found that the foldable screen was more of a novelty than functional. A few months after I got it I sold it and got a galaxy s23 ultra. I've been much happier with it.
I don't have hands on experience with any foldable phones, but this is what I have been thinking. I think the flip style options make more sense to me. Get the same form factor but in an even smaller package, rather than a bigger but potentially less useful form factor in the same package.
@@MicahS70T5M I agree, you will use the coverscreen a lot more overall, but thats more because its a phone. using it you'll usually find use cases or realize you don't really have any desire for said use cases. Took me a while to realize reading on it was the way to go for me.
@@MicahS70T5M I don't think anyone but some women have issues with current phone sizes. And thus, shrinking the phone even further AND introducing a failure point that is the flexible screen sounds like a useless action to me. And "less useful", what are you on? Big foldables allow you to multitask at somewhat acceptable level at least, how's that not useful? And going back, how's shrinking a pocketable device useful?
Just as you love the bigger screen, I actually fell in love with the smaller screen of the Flip 5, it's so easy to look at google maps while walking, sending a message, looking at pictures, making a selfie with the dedicated camera, flipping trough the specially made widgets. I really hope developers and Samsung itself come with much more creative ways to use the smaller screen! And I also hope Phone manufactures find a sweet spot for flip and foldable phones that has the perfect image ratio.
Hear me out, what if that sweet spot is a double fold. It starts out as a little cube, flips out to the dimensions of a Fold, and then folds out again to the tablet size.
0:48 I love that sponsor transition, I never expected that kind lol
Fold 5 User Here: let's not forget how well built these phones are. I dropped my fold 3 folded without a case multiple times onto tile and scuffed it, but there was no damage to the glass. The only problem I had with mine, as you mentioned, was the micro cracks in the crease of the folding screen, and I used that 20% of the time. Luckily, Samsung let me trade it in for $800, even with the screen cracked. Let's hope the newer generation folding screens hold up to daily use without cracking after a year of use.
What country are you from?
I wishi my country also had Samsung stores to get things done easily.
Why would you get another fold if your screen cracked with only 20% use after only a year? You're participating in generating unnecessary e-waste intentionally. My oneplus 6 from 2018 still runs any app I ask it to, works with modern bluetooth devices, and still has good battery life. These things cost more than a beater used car did. Stop participating in this madness.
Linus: You can't fit a tablet in your pocket
Women: Wait you guys get pockets?
@@GH0STST4RSCR34M hmm I hadn't noticed all my bf's friends seem to carry around their lives with them. To be fair we get cute bags that can hold more but when it's hot I don't wanna carry around a bag!
@@GH0STST4RSCR34M that is so cursed! #endfakepockets! I want a bag of holding like in the LTT backpack but for my jeans. Okay not quite that big but you get the idea
I'd feel too much anxiety going from a glass screen to a plastic one I could scratch with my nails. A screen I might damage when applying a plastic protector on.
Does this anxiety go away when you've owned a foldable for a while?
Do you just lower your standards, and accept it will be full of scratches?
Thanks for telling us about Games For Two! It's so fun
The "its a stand" one is very nice
We had someone with a foldable in my last holidays (group tour) and it was very nice for group pictures
Basically 80% of all pros you mention here also go for a tablet that might cost 2-3 times less than a fold. I go around with a backpack anyway and my fingers are huge enough for thumbtyping on a 10-inch tablet, so yeah. Tablet might just be a better option in many cases, especially since it doesn't have the notoriously unreliable folding mechanism.
Well my tab s8+ was $1500 cad lol
Does tablet tablet do all of that better for cheaper? Yes. But the fact I would have to reach for my backpack instead of just pulling phone out of my pocket basicaly negates it.
There's something about a folding smartphone. Maybe it's the convenience. Maybe it's the portability. Maybe it's the gimmick, but when you daily drive such a powerful device that for the most retains a "minimal" profile, there is something that lives up to the hype
I've literally done what Plouffe is doing in the intro before. Went somewhere where I didn't have a bag for some reason and needed to go through a security checkpoint and stuck a tablet into my JNCO's. Security was surprised and impressed I was able to stick it and all my normal pocket stuff like keys and wallet in there.
I want a fold for basically all the reasons you mentioned and also gaming on my GamerSir. its been great with my pixel 6 pro but my friend has a fold and having that massive screen with a controller clamp is amazing.
4:18 Disney Plus and Netflix have these problems with the Simsons and One Piece respectively, FIX THEM and keep the 4:3+letterbox. Zooming isn't 16:9.
Obviously, they need to make a foldable that has more longevity for the folding screen. Perhaps easy snap-on-screen replacements is the thought I'd had!
Ha.
Maybe when Framework starts making phones, not before then.
Snap-on components make it very hard to make the phone water resistant. Maybe that's not a dealbreaker for many, but I haven't bought a foldable for two reasons: bad reliability and lack of IP68 on them. They have some resistance, but if it's not an IP68 (like I have on my current phone), then I would hesitate risking the $1500 device by taking it to a humid environment.
Not anymore...
LOOL
I'm driving LG G8X Dual screen for 4 or 5 years, since its release.
It has all the benefits of dual screen without any downsides of it: You can pop off the phone from the DS frame and have normal sized device when the need arises.
I love it.
Yes, it has giant divide at the center, but without the second screen and productivity it gives I feel limited.
I replaced the inner screen twice on my fold 3 (lasted about 8 months each). Not a deal breaker for me since it was under warranty both times. Hoping for better reliability on the fold 5.
Ive been on the Fold 3 since it came out and I absolutely love it. For me, the biggest downside was the screen protector for the tablet. Just like how Linus described it bubbling up, mine did as well. Took it off (including the one on my front screen as well) and havent had any issues. Plus, the screen protector isn't that great anyways that is pre-installed. If we could have a flexible gorilla glass (i know wishful thinking) would be better than the flimsy piece of plastic they used as the screen protector. Plus, after taking it off, the images are much more clearer than they were before.
Replaced my screen 3 times because of the screen protector making the screen crack :(
I have only had this happen on my galaxy zfolds, on my Google fold this has not been the case.
Wow, the many things that a foldable phone can do is super cool. I never owned one myself, but I am blown away by how much potential it has for something so innovative as this. I'm excited to see more of what these foldable phones can do in the future, I bet it can do so much more.
I'd hardly call these things innovative.
@@X22GJP Oh? Do you have something to share for a tech curious person like me? I see this as innovative because I have never seen a foldable phone before. Personally, I think it's a good thing that we can see the many possibilities it brings because it seems to be better than a regular cell phone. I am aware that there might be some flaws, but I feel better knowing that he showed its positives. Technology is always evolving, and I believe that this will evolve into something better in the future.
This reads like an AI generated comment
@@Eagle3302PL Then I guess I'm more real than you. Sorry you can't see past your rage-tinted glasses, but I like his style of commentary. He always makes his presentations entertaining and informative for those who like technology.
That LTT backpack you guys sell would fit a tablet pretty well. Speaking of which, I wish more people would use backpacks. I use one when biking to work or around town. Fits my lunch, the stuff I need for work, and devices I want for entertainment. Never leave the house without it. Can't fit a Steam Deck in your pocket lol.
This is why I miss my LG phone with the dual-screen case. It came in so handy. Like you said, it's nice for people that have big hands, which I have. Using the second screen for a keyboard was very handy.
As someone who owns a Z Fold 3 and is extremely annoyed at the fact I'll be spending double on phones from now on because of how much I love foldables. I hear ya.
Want that Pixel Fold so bad lol
I think the ZF3 is still better than Pizel Fold
I know what you mean. Just upgraded from a Z Flip 3 5G to a Flip 5.
@@PayMeToThrow might be! Either way I'm not upgrading for a couple of years. I'll see what the landscape looks like then.
the pixel fold doesnt seem that great tbh
My thoughts exactly, I'm really hoping one of the cheaper flagships brands makes a foldable that seems good by the time I next need to upgrade.
I always loved the idea of the LG Wing, similar to a foldable, but no easy scratches. Of course there will be less screen real estate and other problems.
with winter approaching you should do a video on using a gaming pc as a heater and debunk if a 600w heater is the same as a 600w pc
What's actually fun is that, instead of having a huge phone, I ended up choosing to buy a smaller phone instead :The Unihertz Jelly 2.
The reason I chose this phone is because I also felt like my phone was cutting me appart from the people around me. Advantage #3 doesn't work for me on huge phones because instead, I have tiny hands. So I kind of prefer having a small smartphone.
On that tiny smartphone (credit card sized), I can theorically perform any action a big smartphone can do, but I just end up not wanting to spend time doing it, because it's so small. So when you said having a big phone made you spend more time reading, I believe you, because on the contrary, I tend to read less... but to compensate, I use my Samsung tablet a looot when I can settle down. Which really makes sense about having a foldable phone... but as a woman with women's pants, these huge phones are just so uneasy to fit in my pockets.... And, I really like to be able to choose the time I want to do productivity things, and not just feel like I have to be doing 12 things at the time all day long because i CAN with that owerpowered phone I carry in my pocket.
Funny thing, one of the things I really enjoy about my Unihertz Jelly 2 is the same as the last point of your video : it's so nice to see some original phones ! so rare nowadays ! It always makes people start conversation with me and I just love it. I feel a lot more connected now that I have this phone. :)
That said, I would still consider having a folding phone in a future... If a find an easy way to carry it around. I just love new and different things. Please, phone making firms, stop just making boring huge phones ! And thank you linus for that video ^^
All I want is a phone that is a phone, that can still be updated... Yet all phones become bigger, more expensive or can no longer be updated.
and then LTT advertises for the shrunken LTT screwdriver... that does exactly what I need of a phone.
If like me you hate having even a normal candy bar in your pocket but want a nice big phone screen, the flip style phones are great for many of the same reasons. That said, one thing he didn't touch on too much is the fragility of the screen itself. It's basically plastic so it's not very scratch resistant and can be punctured with enough pressure. JerryRigEverything has great videos about their durability
I've never liked using pop sockets before getting the zfold 5, but it helps so much with the extra weight and size
4:13 now with quad black bars where it has been uploaded in 16:9 with black bars built in
Pixel fold. Best phone I've had. And I've had alot. Love it
Enjoyed my fold 3, but switched back to an s22 ultra because working at a major cellular corporation, I see every day how they have a LONG way to go as far as longevity.
yup they all crack eventually. Back on a S23 ultra here from a Fold 3
As someone who daily-drives a iPhone 13 Mini and loves small phones I even agree with Linus here, foldables are great in theory if they weren't so expensive and once the kinks get fully worked out but I wish we would get foldables that are
Can you do a remote desktop access video? Like comparing Moonlight (mostly gaming), Google Remote Desktop, Wake-on-Lan, windows remote desktop, etc.
I was showing friends a picture on my Pixel Fold while on a shuttle last week and it caught everyone's attention. At least 5 people asked what phone it was and an old lady beside me said she felt like she was in a commercial 😂
A few weeks ago, I saw a promotion that Samsung was doing with trade ins. It was pretty generous, they offered far more for my old phone with a dying battery than I ever would have gotten anywhere else, so I finally bit the bullet and got a new phone after seven years. I went with the Z Fold 5 and while I haven't had it very long, I agree with pretty much everything in this video. The extra screen real estate is just so nice. Once you get used to it, you really can't go back, at least for certain tasks. Others, are just fine on the front screen. Though, at least on the Samsung, the front screen really is cramped. The height is fine, but it really needs to be about a half inch wider. I also, can't argue that the thickness and the weight is an issue. It really does feel like you're carrying around two phones in your pocket. The worst part though, I'd like it to be even thicker, just so they can get the cameras absorbed into the body of the phone, that camera bump is massive.
Biggest issue that I have with it, is actually opening the thing. The hinge has fair amount of force behind it, so you really can't open the thing accidentally. That's good. The bad is that the sides are just so smooth, it can be hard to get a decent grip on the thing to pull it open. I'd like to see some ridges along the side to really be able to grab on to it to open. You can buy cases that do this, but due to the nature of the phone, you have to basically glue them on, and I really don't want to do that.
I know it sounds like I'm complaining, but honestly, if you watched the video, you already know all of the good things about the phone, so no real reason to repeat them. If you're thinking about moving to a foldable, and have the money, or can find a good trade in deal, they are honestly fantastic devices.
I have the fold 2 and i already forgot about the camera bump because im using the Samsung leather case since i got the phone and it not only makes the back flush it also makes it easier to unfold.
My biggest flaws are the Camera and Instagram is buggy
I have a fold 4 and i agree with most of what you said. Except the wider outer screen thing. The inner screen is already almost a square, widening the outer screen by just a small amount makes the inner display more squarish. Unless, of course, they go the pixel route and introduce big bezels on two of the sides, in which case it might he fine.
Take Vivo x fold 2 for example, it has a wider fromt screen than gakaxy fold, but the inner display is almost a square. Its a problem for media consumption, everything else works fine.
Personally, i more interested in rolling screens in phone. It has the potential to give us almost aspect ratio we want on the unrolled screen. And when its rolled, the screen can be a standard aspect ratio unlike Samsung's super tall one.
But, i understand that with the material science we have developed so far, the durability of that rolling screen will be a big question, just like the outer folding phones of huawei
I just took the warranty replacement protector off my z fold 3 and have been raw dogging it for the week. Do you think the crack on yours might have been because there wasn't a screen protector? I've been assuming that using 3rd party protectors was a risky proposition since the difference in thickness/bend might cause screen damage.
Strange indeed you didn't update this content to include the Honor fold (that you're talking about somewhere else) which addresses (and solves) two of the drawbacks you mentioned at the end: price and weight+thickness..
Having not bought my own, but spoken to people who have, I mostly share Linus' view on foldables, the dealbreaker for me is the screen being so easy to damage, but once that gets fixed I expect I will become a foldable owner myself
I am a working man and I sweat a lot at the gym. This phone would be fair for many occupations and hobbies, but the folding screen and hinge designs are still years away for someone who likes and does grimy and gritty work. From a friend who has a gfold gen 2, his lasted a month with our sort of lifestyle. I cannot live happily without doing caveman things and this phone isn't compatible with that lifestyle. Maybe one day.
Same boat. I would love one but I'm an electrician and the amount of metal shavings would unfortunately destroy it with those magnets in them.
Hopefully the engineers can make a harder (scale) glass someday.
My friend. I'm an Amazon delivery driver and sweat 10 hours a day. I have fold 3 and have experienced no issues in the 8 months ive had it. Buy with confidence.
I mean the hinge isn't really the problem. It's the plastic screen. You can literally dent it with your fingernail
@@huttonberries768 my screen is still pristine with over 8+ months of use. Unless you have long nails, you will not accidentally scratch the internal screen.
@huttonberries768 completely agree, should've specified I meant the screen. I really would love one, but it wouldn't survive unless I babied it
I own a S23 Ultra. I looked at the folding phones but, not sold on them yet. I agree a larger screen on the road would be nice without bringing an extra flat panel with me. The problems at the end if the video, screens cracking, screen protector issues, they were really bad on the first and second gen phones but, getting less of an issue now but, they still have the problem. They are very expensive and can be prone to problems STILL. Neat tech but, I think in 5 more years, I might get one when you never hear about cracked screens besides when someone drops a phone, I might grab one. The biggest thing with my phone, I turn it on and works as it should. Too critical to take a chance where I might have a problem.
There's a reason why Riley makes ads for LTT since the whole drama, he's the most likable person on the stuff so it makes sense to put him on the spot cause no one will get angry about the ads spots
I just want a foldable with no outside screen, like the surface duo.
The Surface Duo isn't even a foldable display, it's two separate displays.
@@indigomizumi thats not the point
Really good video, but you missed some important points. Not all foldables are about expension. Some are simply about reducing the pocket size. I just upgraded from a Z Flip 3 5G to a Flip 5. I love the fact, that I have a full candy bar in my hand and it still takes away so few space in my pocket. Also, I never had any problems with the screen. The screen protector needed replacing every few month. But I went to the next Samsung store and it was done in 15 minutes for 20 €. A glas screen protector on a candy bar is not cheaper.
To be fair, the battery is smaller and I payed 1000 € for a 500 € phone, just for the fact that it folds. Still, as I mentioned, I just upgraded.
And you also forgot to mention, that the flip is much cheaper than the fold...
The battery is technically 2 batteries on the folds
Paid, not "payed"
After this video was a motorbike video sponsored bei quad lock and that got me thanking about the durability and how you use it with your motorbike.
You didn't cover deterioration of the foldable display where it pivots, is that perfect now?
I pretty much agree with everything you said here. I have had a fold three for just on 2 years now and my experience seems to be close to yours. The folding screencover started to lift so I removed it. and now the screen itself is getting very small find cracks in the center. I have not yet drowned it :P
When it fails I will get another because even with the downsides the screen size is just such a big deal for me.
pocket sand: allow me to introduce myself
I found out that Samsung provides a complementary screen replacement on the Fold 4 within a year of the initial purchase. Subsequent replacements are only $20.
Dropped the phone off at the Samsung Experience store, grabbed lunch to kill some time, and the phone was ready shortly after.
I have all the camera features on my ZenFone 6 with a flip since 2019. Plus, I don't have any weird dot on the screen or that weird feel on the middle of the big screen. Plus again, huge battery. Plus, headphone jack.
Foldable phones really have come a long way, but I can't wai to see what they're gonna look like in just a few more years.
Yeahh I really want o get one now, but I'm holding myself until they are less flawed.
I have always thought fold phones were silly gimmicks, but now i understand the appeal. definitely on my radar if they still exist when the time comes for my next phone
Another Pixel Fold issue almost no one else seems to mention except an Android Police review: the inner oled doesn't actually get full black, especially at low brightness. I RMAed my first thinking it was a dud but the replacement does it too and when I asked on Reddit, turns out everyone with a Pixel Fold has the same problem. To be fair it's subtle in normal lighting; you have to go into a pitch black room and let your eyes adjust to really see the effect. But at any brightness less than around 40%, the side of the folding screen with the panel on the back just refuses to go to black, bottoming out at a dark gray. You get this white haze over all your content too, almost like pixels are stuck on white.
I love my fold3 dearly and it was well worth it, but I did have screen protector peel and now also micro cracks by the fold - appeared exactly a year after getting it. Its not an issue but it is unnerving. Hopefully fixed by when I upgrade. I really like the thinner Honor and Xiaomi folds
I bought a foldable based on the things you said on the WAN show and I instantly converted, never buying a standard phone again. Also my screen protector went off and I'm now running it bare, it feels so much better.