Is Atheism a belief system

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  • ‪@PointlessThorns‬ is yet another Christian trying to tell us that Atheism is a belief system. Oh dear!
    Pointless, I invite you to a debate - mr-sensible@hotmail.com
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Komentáře • 481

  • @Paladwyn
    @Paladwyn Před 2 lety +76

    "You need to provide evidence that God doesn't exist" That's easy. It stems completely from the fact that no evidence shows that he does. While true that a lack of evidence doesn't necessarily mean that God doesn't exist, but that you can't make the claim that he *does* exist without that evidence. So without that evidence your claim is moot and I no longer need to provide anything further. Hitchens' Razor, plain and simple.

    • @MrSensibleHistoric
      @MrSensibleHistoric  Před 2 lety +23

      Exactly!

    • @patinthechat6452
      @patinthechat6452 Před 2 lety +13

      Hitchens razor for the win!

    • @billdevitt4324
      @billdevitt4324 Před 2 lety +10

      I miss Hitch... 😔

    • @bobblum5973
      @bobblum5973 Před 2 lety +6

      Hitchen's Razor versus Occam's Razor, duel at 20 paces! 😊
      Excellent point, *Greg Pascal!*

    • @billdevitt4324
      @billdevitt4324 Před 2 lety

      @Bob Blum LoL, #Creationism #Apologists are slain by Occam's Razor, Daily, as well! 😆

  • @DoctaOsiris
    @DoctaOsiris Před 2 lety +21

    Is Atheism a belief system?
    Short answer: No!
    Long answer: Nnnnnnnooooooo! 🙃

    • @xenomorphphantom8852
      @xenomorphphantom8852 Před 2 lety +2

      With the Bugs Bunny meme on top please.

    • @DoctaOsiris
      @DoctaOsiris Před 2 lety +1

      @@xenomorphphantom8852 🐰🥕 Nyaaaaaaa... What's up Doc? 🤭

    • @OlivierGabin
      @OlivierGabin Před 2 lety +1

      Dark Vador : "Luke, atheism is a belief system"
      Luke Skywalker : "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !"

  • @pencilpauli9442
    @pencilpauli9442 Před 2 lety +35

    "Christianity is the most reasonable of all religions."
    There's another bold claim that isn't going to be satisfactorily proven.

    • @rembrandt972ify
      @rembrandt972ify Před 2 lety +5

      I dunno, I think Jain's pacifism is much more reasonable than Christianity's burning of witches.

    • @jamesparson
      @jamesparson Před 2 lety +1

      Which sect?

    • @Rosivok
      @Rosivok Před 2 lety +2

      The only one that's actually more reasonable is Buddhism and that's not actually a religion it's a philosophy.

    • @jamesparson
      @jamesparson Před 2 lety

      @@Rosivok Does it have a collection plate? Do people get shunned if they leave?

    • @tonythedwvyer
      @tonythedwvyer Před 2 lety +3

      Yup, Christians have very reasonably done in a great many people over the centuries, in the name of their belief.
      The Cathars of Southern France are just one example. They were wiped out in the 13th century.

  • @clemstevenson
    @clemstevenson Před 2 lety +28

    The meaning of the word 'belief' is not the same as the meaning of the word 'fact'. If you tell a runner that you believe that he can win the race, it does not mean that you are certain that the runner will win the race. Religious people try very hard to present their beliefs as facts, at the same time as claiming that different beliefs are false. They are just different beliefs.

  • @anderskarlsson9881
    @anderskarlsson9881 Před 2 lety +38

    I think that it is really funny to watch people struggle to promote their religious claims.
    I grew up in an environment where religion never existed.
    Of course I knew of the bible and we read it in school, but, to me it was a book of stories that was trying to teach some kind of moral. I always thought that it meant the same to everybody.
    I was in my late thirties when I had a discussion with a young guy that was a creationist. I was completely shocked when I realized that he actually believed every word in the bible.
    Many years later I started to look more into how religion twist peoples minds. It was then I learned that what I always had called "normal people" should be called "atheists".
    It still amazes me that fully functional and grown up people can believe in these fairy tales.

    • @ziploc2000
      @ziploc2000 Před 2 lety

      They're not really fully functional, they lack the ability to think for themselves.

    • @freddan6fly
      @freddan6fly Před 2 lety +5

      Same here. And when I openly questioned the idiotic stories I got slapped by the religious teacher which taught me a learning or two.
      1) Religion is answers that is not correct but can't be questioned
      2) When pointing out inconsistencies you are punished by the "superior moral" of religion.

  • @Wolf-51-50
    @Wolf-51-50 Před 2 lety +13

    "That which can be asserted without evidence (in this case "God"), can be dismissed without evidence". Uncle Hitch again...

  • @Lassisvulgaris
    @Lassisvulgaris Před 2 lety +18

    Calling atheism a belife system, is like calling NOT playing football a sport; or NOT collecting stamps a hobby.....

    • @aprylvanryn5898
      @aprylvanryn5898 Před 2 lety +2

      Idk. I'm a world champion at not playing chess

    • @lidbass
      @lidbass Před 2 lety +1

      @@aprylvanryn5898 Gosh! Can I have your autograph? I've got a green pen here somewhere...

    • @theturtlemoves3014
      @theturtlemoves3014 Před 2 lety +3

      Are you saying that I have spent endless hours over 40-odd years not collecting stamps is not a hobby? Next you're going to tell me that unicorns are not a fruit.

    • @Lassisvulgaris
      @Lassisvulgaris Před 2 lety +1

      @@theturtlemoves3014 Unicorns are not a fruit....

    • @Lassisvulgaris
      @Lassisvulgaris Před 2 lety

      @@aprylvanryn5898 Then, let me be the first to not congrautlate on your achievement.....

  • @davonuk1
    @davonuk1 Před 2 lety +15

    He spends the entire video strawmanning atheism, then asserts that he was once an atheist.
    How would he know? He shows understanding of what the word 'atheist' means.

  • @cygnustsp
    @cygnustsp Před 2 lety +23

    I grew up Jehovah's Witness, became an atheist 25 years ago. I dunno if it's better. I dunno if I should even post this. In reality I miss the warmth of faith and fellowship. But I can't dismiss the truth, which is no god exists.

    • @MaryAnnNytowl
      @MaryAnnNytowl Před 2 lety +8

      Nothing wrong with telling the truth of how you feel.

    • @UncleKennysPlace
      @UncleKennysPlace Před 2 lety +6

      You miss JW's? It was hell just living next door to them.

    • @PaulJonesy
      @PaulJonesy Před 2 lety +3

      Sounds reasonable. I’ve heard a number of atheists say they wish they could have the comfort and certainty of religion, but you can’t choose facts.

    • @fepeerreview3150
      @fepeerreview3150 Před 2 lety +5

      Have you seen the channel "The Truth Hurts"? It's by a very eloquent young man who was born into the JWs and left it as well.

    • @cygnustsp
      @cygnustsp Před 2 lety +2

      @@fepeerreview3150 yes, he's amazing, thank you for recognizing him, I could be a great friend with Harrison.

  • @criskity
    @criskity Před 2 lety +8

    "I'm not going to allow you to be intellectually dishonest," he says, all the while being intellectually dishonest.

    • @bobblum5973
      @bobblum5973 Před 2 lety +1

      I think he was basically "calling dibs" on being intellectually dishonest. Not to mention confused and perhaps a bit egotistical.

    • @John.0z
      @John.0z Před 2 lety +1

      @@bobblum5973 "perhaps"??? I would incline toward "utterly egotistical".

    • @bobblum5973
      @bobblum5973 Před 2 lety +1

      @@John.0z Well, I was raised to be polite, so I was trying to be nice. But that doesn't mean I should lie, either, so I will say you're definitely more on target.

  • @tussk.
    @tussk. Před 2 lety +11

    Athiesm is a belief system in the same way that bald is a hair colour.

    • @dogwalker666
      @dogwalker666 Před 2 lety +2

      🤣

    • @mrxmry3264
      @mrxmry3264 Před 2 lety +2

      now why does that remind me of something hanging in the air the same way that bricks don't?

    • @dogwalker666
      @dogwalker666 Před 2 lety

      @@mrxmry3264 indeed HHGttG

    • @jimmythebold589
      @jimmythebold589 Před 2 lety

      Joe Rogaine would approve

    • @mrxmry3264
      @mrxmry3264 Před 2 lety

      @@jimmythebold589
      who the hell is Joe Rogaine?

  • @stevenh8770
    @stevenh8770 Před 2 lety +7

    I don't like where this discussion is going about belief...
    Are you telling me Santa Claus doesn't exist because I never saw him?

    • @homerj.simpson7562
      @homerj.simpson7562 Před 2 lety +1

      I never saw my liver. This must mean that I don't have one. Poor me.

  • @Angel-nl1hp
    @Angel-nl1hp Před 2 lety +16

    This YT preacher chose his name well, that whole sermon was pretty pointless alright. 😀

    • @TanjoGalbi
      @TanjoGalbi Před 2 lety +1

      Correction, he's a TikTok preacher! Which is worse!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @BigTwitchy
    @BigTwitchy Před 2 lety +8

    The arrogance of this dude throwing around words convinced he understands just grinds my gears.

  • @toastgown
    @toastgown Před 2 lety +9

    "Well, I can think of one big difference between your pen and god..."
    Your delivery there cracked me up.
    Edit: That troll at the end! x-D

  • @colinritchie1757
    @colinritchie1757 Před 2 lety +12

    Unapologetically stolen from Reddit "You're a great conversation topic. Not when you're here but when you leave." - Mr S congrats for finding another silly Dweeb

  • @nicholasbutner3039
    @nicholasbutner3039 Před 2 lety +14

    What's truly sad about this is that this guy is honestly just about the best Christian apologetics have to offer. If it sounds like a bunch of toddler level stabs at logic and reason, that's because it is. Theists never seem to understand the burden of proof, the fact that atheism is not a worldview, and that saying "I don't believe" is not the same as making a claim. Haven't any of these idiots heard of the gumball analogy?

    • @TheTruthHz
      @TheTruthHz Před 2 lety +1

      I disagree and I'm not religious myself. Believing is every bit as much faith based as not believing. If you don't believe in a God or gods then it's because you have belief that they don't exist. That is not proof, anymore than theists belief in their chosen deity is proof.
      Personally I feel there's every possibility there's something beyond my comprehension. Is it responsible for giving people hope? I don't know but I certainly don't knock it, or their belief if it does (be it real or not) the effect is real and that's all that matters.

    • @isidoreaerys8745
      @isidoreaerys8745 Před 2 lety

      It’s because they view everything through the warped world view that life itself is a test of whether any given human will cling to the indefensible belief in a christian god and succeed. Or reject the christian god and fail.
      To them, neglecting to prostrate yourself to that particular god of their particular culture is an active rejection of the demands they have been brainwashed to believe are woven into the fabric of existence.
      They cannot conceive of a pragmatic, take things as they come, don’t assume things before you have reason to believe they are real approach.

  • @Hunt8rJob
    @Hunt8rJob Před 2 lety +7

    wow this young fella is straight outta church camp. he hasn't even lived in the real world. I'd challenge him to step outside of his comfort bubble and see if he comes back with a different world view

  • @Bad-Uncle-Bob
    @Bad-Uncle-Bob Před 2 lety +6

    I’d love to see that debate Mr S 👌 hope he responds

  • @casperhansen826
    @casperhansen826 Před 2 lety +13

    nothing is as evil as someone forcing you to believe something specific no matter how illogic it is.

    • @Richard-ox6zk
      @Richard-ox6zk Před 2 lety +1

      Like schools do?

    • @DaheyDraco
      @DaheyDraco Před 2 lety +1

      @@Richard-ox6zk umm, no... not really
      but if you believe that then I guess you missed some value lessons on the way

    • @freddan6fly
      @freddan6fly Před 2 lety

      @@Richard-ox6zk You never went to school?

  • @doranku
    @doranku Před 2 lety +10

    Christianity is one of the most unreasonable believes, a caring god that has many mutualy exclusive versions of beliefs in it. Yet doesn't care to tell us what the correct version is. The result is that the majority of people are doomed, DOOOMED, to not spend their afterlife without being in the presence of their god. Does that sound like a god that cares?

    • @cedriceric9730
      @cedriceric9730 Před 2 lety

      Heaven is free, and yet some people still want to be their own god despite being created beings , God is just enforcing thier own will upon them!

  • @ziploc2000
    @ziploc2000 Před 2 lety +8

    Recently I've been watching the Harmonic Atheist channel, where Tim Miller interviews people who have de-converted from Christianity after years of belief.
    I've never believed in a god but these people did, and then through honest introspection and study, realized they were fooling themselves, and found great relief in leaving their religion behind.
    I feel maybe Mr. Pointless Thoughts might be better employ his time talking to ex-Christians so they can explain to him how to escape his stifling fantasy.

  • @stevewebber707
    @stevewebber707 Před 2 lety +4

    Interesting that so many apologists want to change atheism into something that's easier for them to argue against. It's almost like looking for good evidence or arguments for their position, is coming up short.
    He really shouldn't have used the phrase intellectual honesty. It makes his lack of self awareness too obvious.

  • @CNCmachiningisfun
    @CNCmachiningisfun Před 2 lety +4

    Clueless Thorns states: "I am not going to allow you to be intellectually dishonest".
    Shortly thereafter, he proceeds to do just that, himself.
    I would like to ask him what it is like to go through life with a *broken hypocrisy meter!*

    • @Kualinar
      @Kualinar Před 2 lety

      His hypocrisy meter is not broken, it's scale is just inverted.

  • @dogwalker666
    @dogwalker666 Před 2 lety +9

    OK he has convinced me "The Great God Om" is the one and only true God.

    • @idahogie
      @idahogie Před 2 lety +1

      The Great God Om is the most reasonable of all beliefs.

    • @notamoron2246
      @notamoron2246 Před 2 lety +2

      You're forgetting about the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

    • @bobblum5973
      @bobblum5973 Před 2 lety +1

      So that's where the saying "Om, my God" came from!

    • @xenomorphphantom8852
      @xenomorphphantom8852 Před 2 lety

      Heretics all!
      The only GOD is the Great Emperor of Mankind!!!!
      .
      .
      .
      ...also Gork and Mork too....just because....

    • @gowdsake7103
      @gowdsake7103 Před 2 lety +1

      Nah Blind Io is a far greater god

  • @markwaghorn
    @markwaghorn Před 2 lety +4

    What part of i do not believe in God gets so complicated for theists to understand

  • @Foolish188
    @Foolish188 Před 2 lety +9

    If you debate him, ask him how God knows he is God? How does God know that there isn't a bigger God that created God? And how does that bigger God know he is the Real God and that there isn't a bigger God? And so on.

    • @TanjoGalbi
      @TanjoGalbi Před 2 lety +1

      That's the same as "Elephants all the way down" 😏

    • @markdoldon8852
      @markdoldon8852 Před 2 lety +2

      That sort of logic doesn't work for theists, who simply use special pleading to assert that all their OTHER unevidenced assertions don't apply to God because...reasons?

  • @nicksykes4575
    @nicksykes4575 Před 2 lety +2

    "I'm not going to allow you to be intellectually dishonest". Meanwhile I'm going to be so intellectually dishonest it hurts!!!

  • @fepeerreview3150
    @fepeerreview3150 Před 2 lety +8

    6:07 Nope. I don't believe that pen is green. I KNOW it is green because I have seen very strong evidence indicating it is green. I've seen the pen and the color of it is green.
    Strength of the evidence as the basis for moving from "believing" to "knowing" is something apologists don't ever seem to talk about.

    • @Syrph.
      @Syrph. Před 2 lety +2

      I'm colorblind so I'll stick with "not red" unless it is clearly labeled. =P Granted, I can't say for sure it isn't red...fine, "not blue."

    • @TanjoGalbi
      @TanjoGalbi Před 2 lety +1

      @@Syrph. I was going to say "What about people who are colourblind. Is it still green then?" lol

    • @markdoldon8852
      @markdoldon8852 Před 2 lety +1

      Actually, I don't KNOW that it's a pen at all, (it might simply be a 3D print that has no functional purpose, for example). Nor do I KNOW that it's green (it might have been color corrected in editing). But, I am willing to accept (believe) both those points as being perfectly normal aspects of reality. Now if only risen Jesus and Nessie could meet that same criteria.

    • @fepeerreview3150
      @fepeerreview3150 Před 2 lety

      @@TanjoGalbi Good point. However I was speaking for myself and I'm not colorblind. If I was colorblind and I knew someone who was not, who had a consistent history of being truthful, and if that person told me it was green I'd have nearly the same level of certainty.

    • @fepeerreview3150
      @fepeerreview3150 Před 2 lety

      @@markdoldon8852 Yes, that is why I said "very strong" rather than some word such as "absolute" or "irrefutable". We don't need 100% certainty to move from believing to knowing. We just need a lot. It helps if there is no other explanation that is nearly as plausible. Two very possible but differing answers would open up uncertainty again. I've always liked the idea of "preponderance of the evidence". At a certain point we are prepared to make very, very big decisions (lengthy prison sentences, even the death penalty) in our judicial system even though we don't have "absolute" proof.

  • @Desertphile
    @Desertphile Před 2 lety +5

    I was born an atheist like everyone else; I cannot see how is in any way a "religion."

    • @bdf2718
      @bdf2718 Před 2 lety +1

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    • @MrSensibleHistoric
      @MrSensibleHistoric  Před 2 lety +3

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    • @Desertphile
      @Desertphile Před 2 lety +2

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    • @Desertphile
      @Desertphile Před 2 lety +2

      @@MrSensibleHistoric ; Fick yes; and gravity has been getting stronger as I age.

    • @bdf2718
      @bdf2718 Před 2 lety

      @@Desertphile You've been a fan since I told you about MAGE. You should check out _Q Branch_ (the guy who helped him with MAGE).

  • @timnicholas5398
    @timnicholas5398 Před 2 lety +6

    I'm a Christian. Athiesm isn't a belief system. To suggest it is is ignorant! What a load of nonsense, and arrogance. Embarrassing.

    • @RichWoods23
      @RichWoods23 Před 2 lety

      Unfortunately this is where any excessive immersion in any ideology can take someone. Normal everyday standards of thought fly out of the window and are replaced by blind adherence to whatever the victim conceives is The One Unassailable Truth. Combine it with some sort of conspiracy theory (eg Christians are being persecuted for their beliefs) and it's only a matter of time before some poor deluded bastard reaches for a gun.

    • @gowdsake7103
      @gowdsake7103 Před 2 lety

      Ty for that
      I am afraid I still reject your god until you can provide evidence. I suspect your honest enough to realise you dont have any

    • @timnicholas5398
      @timnicholas5398 Před 2 lety +2

      @@gowdsake7103 That's why it's called faith.

    • @gowdsake7103
      @gowdsake7103 Před 2 lety

      @@timnicholas5398 And THATS why I reject it !
      Name one single thing good or bad you couldn't accept JUST using faith !
      Just using faith you could be a slave owning racist mass murderer who hates women. Oh right thats what your book tells you to be, shame about that. Faith makes you immoral self cantered and unable to work out what is right or wrong

  • @nexpro6985
    @nexpro6985 Před 2 lety +7

    I believe in the existence of cheese. I have more evidence for cheese than I have for the existence of any gods.

    • @dogwalker666
      @dogwalker666 Před 2 lety +1

      But cheese is the food of the Gods so Gods proven.

    • @nexpro6985
      @nexpro6985 Před 2 lety +2

      @@dogwalker666 damn!

    • @dogwalker666
      @dogwalker666 Před 2 lety +1

      @@nexpro6985 🤣🧀🧀🧀

    • @AB-ku4my
      @AB-ku4my Před 2 lety

      @@dogwalker666 Cheese is God and should be worshipped as such.

    • @dogwalker666
      @dogwalker666 Před 2 lety

      @@AB-ku4my all bow down to wensleydale mmm.

  • @cantamusquerbeat
    @cantamusquerbeat Před 2 lety +6

    Well, I believe that beliefs are believing beliefs being believabley believed. So there. And yes, I am not not an unbeliever. Believeit or not.

  • @normgreen8058
    @normgreen8058 Před 2 lety +9

    Atheism is a belief like not collecting stamps is a hobby. @PointlessThorns

  • @pandora8610
    @pandora8610 Před 2 lety +4

    Speaking of intellectual dishonesty...
    "Atheism does not make claims" is indeed a claim. But it's not a claim made *by* atheism, it's a claim made *about* atheism.
    Of course, since he clearly failed Philosophy 101, I'm not expecting him to acknowledge the difference.

  • @MaryAnnNytowl
    @MaryAnnNytowl Před 2 lety +5

    Oh, lovely. Someone else telling me what I do or do not believe. 🙄

    • @heatshield
      @heatshield Před 2 lety +1

      yeah, that's irritating. Just a couple days ago (night before Easter, I think), Wybenga came to MCToons live-chat to tell everyone there what MCToon thought of us atheists. The things he was saying were very insulting to Toon and simply not true, in my opinion.
      It was difficult to not respond, but very satisfying that almost nobody did respond to him. His hateful attempt at winding up the audience went mostly ignored.
      It's a desperate, manipulative move, twisting words and ones own beliefs and injecting them into someone else's character.

  • @Bob-vc6ug
    @Bob-vc6ug Před 2 lety +5

    This guy sits in a park everyday, yelling "jesus saves" at everyone that goes by and he wears a sign around his neck that says "god is the answer", and he uses the exact same words and explanations with everyone that wants to debate him. Its funny how he keeps checking to make sure that you can see his hands in the shot too, because he thinks that a bunch of hand movement is going to talk you into believing what he believes in.

    • @xenomorphphantom8852
      @xenomorphphantom8852 Před 2 lety +1

      Well,he's got it almost right...but the phrase should be "GOLD is the answer"...
      And the other should be "save at jeebus's" and it ends being a sandwich joint.

  • @mattheweagles5123
    @mattheweagles5123 Před 2 lety +6

    I do like the idea that the world is split in Nessists and Anessists.

    • @deadNightwatchman
      @deadNightwatchman Před 2 lety +1

      What about the agnesstics?

    • @RichWoods23
      @RichWoods23 Před 2 lety +1

      @@deadNightwatchman Splitters!

    • @mattheweagles5123
      @mattheweagles5123 Před 2 lety +1

      @@deadNightwatchman they obviously haven't heard the good the good news of our lord and saviour Nessie!

    • @RichWoods23
      @RichWoods23 Před 2 lety +1

      @@mattheweagles5123 ...may She swim us to the wondrous depths of the Heavenly Loch. Halle-glug-glug-glug!

  • @doranku
    @doranku Před 2 lety +8

    Pointless Thorns, can you please define belief for us? My definition is that a believe is anything I think is true. If I hold a believe to be true but lack good evidence, that is what I call faith. A believe that has evidence for being true is what I call knowledge. Can something that what I call knowledge be false, yes. For example I know that my electric grid is 230V, 50Hz based on all information I have gathered from the specification of my electrical devices, but plugging a multimeter into a socket results in 231 +/- 0.4 V and 50 - 0.02 Hz. The nice thing about faith is that you can believe ANYTHING to be true on faith.
    But is your god claim a knowledge or faith based claim? I see no good evidence for any claims for your god so far presented. So that points to faith instead of knowledge. But is there even a truth to be found with faith? I see a lot of conflicts in the god you believe in. There are many version that all claim to be the one and only true version, these version have slightly different version of a holy book, slightly different versions due to translations, slightly different versions due to interpretation (what is literal and what is an allegory?). It is a mess, how can I have any faith in such a mess?
    But it gets worse, even all these different versions have some things in common, things that are internally contradictive, things that are proven to be wrong, things that are evidently wrong. These things make me believe christianity is false. This is in contrast to for example Hinduism or Shinto where I merely any evidence to make a rational choice to believe it or not. But guess what: you will have good reasons to tell me I'm wrong, apologetic reasons.

    • @fepeerreview3150
      @fepeerreview3150 Před 2 lety +3

      Yes, it's always a good idea to establish clear definitions. We don't necessarily need to agree on each other's definitions. But so long as we know what the other people mean when they use specific words, we'll at least have a better chance of understanding each other, even if we continue to disagree.
      I've even heard 2 people have an argument over something about which they actually agreed, because they misunderstood each other's definitions and were misinterpreting each other's words.

    • @bobblum5973
      @bobblum5973 Před 2 lety +1

      *Dora Nku:* 👏👏👏👏👏 Very well stated! I totally agree with your points.
      *FE Peer Review:* Also very good points!

  • @fepeerreview3150
    @fepeerreview3150 Před 2 lety +4

    9:00 That was a brilliant summary at the end. Thanks for this!

  • @MichaelPiz
    @MichaelPiz Před 2 lety +4

    I'm a big Beatles fan. His presentation (I won't say "argument") makes about as much logical sense as Revolution #9.

    • @Kualinar
      @Kualinar Před 2 lety +1

      You are wrong. Revolution #9 makes MUCH more sense and is WAY more logical than anything that he said in his presentation.

  • @badouplus1304
    @badouplus1304 Před 2 lety +5

    I had a friend last month who had a stillbirth. The baby's heart stopped beating two weeks before he was due. After that, I should not be allowed to question God's existence. The one they call the merciful God, the almighty God or the good God. Sorry, even though it is not scientifically possible to prove the non-existence of something, that event is still good enough for me.

    • @ziploc2000
      @ziploc2000 Před 2 lety +2

      I have a cousin who had a stillbirth; the baby died during delivery. My wife and I had 3 miscarriages (all in the first trimester, and happily we now have 2 healthy happy kids), but a stillbirth is thousands of times more heartbreaking.

    • @TanjoGalbi
      @TanjoGalbi Před 2 lety +2

      That happened to my mother in the mid 80's for my only sister, right up to the last check-up she was perfectly fine then when the birth came she was not alive. My mother always wanted a daughter but alas it was never to be. So, if a god exists and that god is all loving like Christians claim, why did my sister and your friend's son have to die so close to leaving their mother's womb and beginning their lives proper? While such events are not proof a god does not exist, they are proof that if one (or more) does then they are not all loving and merciful as claimed by believers. They can not convince me there is a god based on their words alone. Show me solid proof a god exists and let me speak to that god and tell them what a true asshole they are!

    • @markdoldon8852
      @markdoldon8852 Před 2 lety +2

      Indeed, events like that don't necessarily disprove a god, but it does absolutely disprove the self contradictory christian God, since nothing "omnibenevolent" would put family or baby in that situation. No argument can convince me otherwise.

    • @badouplus1304
      @badouplus1304 Před 2 lety

      ​@@TanjoGalbi I took a recent event to explain my point of view, but it happened to my mother as well.... 9 years before my own birth. She also had two miscarriages. Life is weird and cruel sometimes, even though I can't imagine all the emotions and sadness my mother had to go through, if those events had not occurred, I would most likely not be existing today. Don't get me wrong, I would still rather that no mothers, mine included, have to go through such horrible events.

  • @PhDTony_original
    @PhDTony_original Před 2 lety +3

    Here is a dissection of the pen example.
    1) I know from previous experience that pens exist.
    2) I know from previous experience that some pens are green.
    3) I know from previous experience that if I see what appears to be a green pen then most likely I am looking at a green pen - but other possibilities exist.
    4) The likelihood of the pen existing and actually being a pen is increased if other people can also see the same pen and interact with it physically.
    a) I do not know that any Gods exist.
    b) I do not know that the Christian God exists.
    c) I know that the existence of the Christian God is inconsistent with several aspects of observed reality. Thus, I have reason to conclude the Christian God does not exist.
    d) I know that multiple people who claim to experience and be in personal communication with the Christian God can provide no evidence that this is in fact the case AND fail to agree with one another on what God communicates.

  • @Thomas_Schwarzenbacher
    @Thomas_Schwarzenbacher Před 2 lety +5

    Playing word games because you don't have any arguments and then claim victory... great job, Christian ;=)

  • @celticlightning9703
    @celticlightning9703 Před 2 lety +2

    If I had a nickel for every theist that says they were once an atheist I'd be a rich man.

    • @PifflePrattle
      @PifflePrattle Před 2 lety

      I'm sure he's right though. At some point in our lives no one believes in gods.
      Nearest thing in most of our lives is maw and paw, though we usually realise the error by the age of 5.

  • @ShMokou
    @ShMokou Před 2 lety +4

    ... Mr S... you mean... Loch Ness Monster... Loch Ness Monster doesn't exist...?

  • @nagranoth_
    @nagranoth_ Před 2 lety +1

    It's always sad when theists say they won't allow you to be intellectually dishonest....

  • @Atlas6355_
    @Atlas6355_ Před 2 lety +2

    So basically I have to believe in magic, otherwise I’m intellectually dishonest! Hmmm, go it! 🤦‍♂️

  • @jamesparson
    @jamesparson Před 2 lety +2

    I have a sincerely held belief in not collecting stamps

  • @rustisamust9079
    @rustisamust9079 Před 2 lety +4

    These clowns are almost always evangelical Yanks. They drive me mad with their pious superiority. Would Pointless (yes he is!) agree with Professor Dawkins? _"We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further."_

  • @ziploc2000
    @ziploc2000 Před 2 lety +4

    Wheeee! I've seen enough of Christ He's Self-Righteous recently, time for Mr. Pointless Thoughts.

  • @johnrap7203
    @johnrap7203 Před 2 lety +5

    Veracities 1:2 And on the 36,500,000th day, man created god, and he said that is was good, and profitable.

    • @mrxmry3264
      @mrxmry3264 Před 2 lety +3

      "man created god"
      you don't know how right you are. although that day number is many orders of magnitude too small.

  • @nobby66
    @nobby66 Před 2 lety +1

    Nessie doesn't exist? Well that's ruined Scotland for me, I'll never visit again 😢

  • @Morriepl
    @Morriepl Před 2 lety +1

    "If, praise God, there is no God, then thanks God. But if, God forbids, there is a God, then God save us..."

  • @annaschofield
    @annaschofield Před 2 lety +1

    He starts off wrong- I’m not convinced of anything- what I am as an atheist is NOT convinced a god exists

  • @normaldave4440
    @normaldave4440 Před 2 lety +4

    I don't think that God's big book says 'thou shalt be an irritating git'... does it?

  • @bbgbear
    @bbgbear Před 2 lety +4

    Atheism makes a up small percentage of my world view, unlike guys like him where religion makes up there entire world view.

    • @MrOttopants
      @MrOttopants Před 2 lety +2

      This is how I feel. I'm not a believer, so why would I even think about a deity when coming to my conclusions about the world?
      But for the guy in the video, he has to think about it all the time. He has to run everything he does past his deity's standards department.

  • @willroberts336
    @willroberts336 Před 2 lety +1

    Someone needs to explain to this kid that if you want to convince an individual of the truth of your position, it’s really beneficial to not insult them first.

  • @tomgeorge3726
    @tomgeorge3726 Před 2 lety +1

    In my opinion ignorance is not lack of knowledge, it is the act of not wanting to know the knowledge.

    • @kellylundy5115
      @kellylundy5115 Před 2 lety

      "ig·no·rance
      /ˈiɡnərəns/
      Learn to pronounce
      noun
      noun: ignorance
      lack of knowledge or information."
      "Origin
      Middle English: via Old French from Latin ignorantia, from ignorant- ‘not knowing’ (see ignorant)."
      From Oxford Languages

  • @charlottehardy822
    @charlottehardy822 Před 2 lety +2

    Hang on, There’s a family of Nessies at the Loch, you just need a thistle whistle 🤣

    • @DickHolman
      @DickHolman Před 2 lety

      A simple thistle-whistle or a twiselled thistle-whistle?

  • @rembrandt972ify
    @rembrandt972ify Před 2 lety +2

    Atheism does make one clear claim, "I don't believe it!"

  • @notamoron2246
    @notamoron2246 Před 2 lety +1

    I find it amusing that these fools cannot conceive that there are people who don't think the way religion has taught them to think.
    They just assume that, because they can't think for themselves (Or they're not allowed to), nobody else can either.

  • @doranku
    @doranku Před 2 lety +1

    If some stranger asks you for treefiddy, it might be Nessie in disguise.

  • @dogwalker666
    @dogwalker666 Před 2 lety +1

    Got an advert for cheese at the beginning mmm cheese.

  • @chrispitchforth621
    @chrispitchforth621 Před 2 lety +2

    He claims that Christianity is reasonable to believe.
    But to believe it, I have to believe many of the miracles.
    I would need to be convinced that someone would be capable of walking on not just water, but rolling waves in a storm.
    That a man can turn a staff into a snake.
    It's not reasonable to believe that stuff without evidence.

    • @ScottLahteine
      @ScottLahteine Před 2 lety +1

      I have heard rumors of Christians who recognize that a lot of those stories are metaphorical, but I have never met any of them.

  • @nineoclockhero
    @nineoclockhero Před 2 lety +4

    God is within us all. his name is oi. don't believe me? stand in a crowd and shout OI! see what happens.

    • @mrxmry3264
      @mrxmry3264 Před 2 lety

      the magical sky fairy only exists in the heads of those who believe in him in pretty much the same way that i don't.

    • @nineoclockhero
      @nineoclockhero Před 2 lety

      @@mrxmry3264 well at least someone got the joke

  • @gepisar
    @gepisar Před 2 lety

    good to see the sensible is still present.

  • @bobblum5973
    @bobblum5973 Před 2 lety +2

    I believe he doesn't have a good understanding of the word "believe".
    😁

  • @glenhughes8013
    @glenhughes8013 Před 2 lety +2

    "I don't believe X is true" does not equate to "I believe X is false" This guy's dripping with either stupidity or intellectual dishonesty... maybe a bit of both.

  • @norwegianguy9480
    @norwegianguy9480 Před 2 lety

    Excellent video!

  • @fepeerreview3150
    @fepeerreview3150 Před 2 lety +1

    0:30 Good evening, Mr. Sensible! I'm looking forward to this. By the way, any plans for a livestream any time soon?

  • @gowdsake7103
    @gowdsake7103 Před 2 lety +1

    Because he lies to himself he thinks everyone else does

  • @promiscuous5761
    @promiscuous5761 Před 2 lety

    Thank you.

  • @ErikHare
    @ErikHare Před 2 lety +3

    Technically, Buddhism is an atheistic religion. I would argue that their worldview is considerably different from most atheists I know. So it might be reasonable to say that atheism describes a set of possible worldviews, plural, but certainly not one.

    • @ErikHare
      @ErikHare Před 2 lety +2

      Also, he's just plain obnoxious. He could have a point here, but I lost interest in it because of his desire to insult something that he makes it clear is not his own identity. His motivation seems to be a deep need for a "win," but what on earth would he be "winning?" Based on the attitude, I'd say it's all about his personal superiority. If that's not what he wants to convey, well, he failed.

    • @gowdsake7103
      @gowdsake7103 Před 2 lety

      I would suggest it is and can never be a world view. It is merely a stance on one position that a god has never been demonstrated

    • @gowdsake7103
      @gowdsake7103 Před 2 lety

      @@dennispickard7743 No because without special pleading it cannot be demonstrated. However the bible describes god as a physical entity that looks like every human ( figure that one out ) Not only that its male, what a surprise

    • @gowdsake7103
      @gowdsake7103 Před 2 lety

      @@dennispickard7743 I agree totally about the bible being JUST a book
      As for atheism its a simple fact that just says one thing and that is god has never been proved !
      Its not woke its not new age its a simple fact and it is NOT a fad thats a plain dumb thing to say . Indeed it is a fact that 200 years ago would get you killed sometimes in horrible ways
      As for atheists replying to religious BS, if the theists kept their crap to their own cult it would never happen

  • @TriggeredLimey
    @TriggeredLimey Před 2 lety

    Great video, sir! 😁🧀

  • @tnbourne
    @tnbourne Před 2 lety +1

    I think in the end, those videos really just serve as pep rallies for people who already believe that nonsense.
    He does have the smooth, condescending swagger of a con man however so he might manage to convince a few that are on the fence. He's been trained well

  • @AB-ku4my
    @AB-ku4my Před 2 lety +1

    0:24 Ha! I knew that Mr Sensible was a nom-de-plume. You're really Oolon Colluphid, aren't you?

  • @richardlewin9282
    @richardlewin9282 Před 2 lety +1

    If he does exist why would you need faith?

  • @mandylifeboats286
    @mandylifeboats286 Před 2 lety

    I'd love to see that chap getting a good bit of Oakley parenting.

  • @freddan6fly
    @freddan6fly Před 2 lety +2

    Gotta lie to be an apologetic, it is in fact much like being a flat earther.

    • @jimmythebold589
      @jimmythebold589 Před 2 lety +1

      right? if the fabulous truth of the bible was so apparent, it wouldn't require apologetics. derp.

  • @chrisdurhammusicchannel
    @chrisdurhammusicchannel Před 2 lety +2

    You want evidence that God doesn't exist??? Look around you. Can you see God? No? There's my evidence! If he's omnipresent, we should all be able to see him at all times! Oh, he's invisible?? Well, that's certainly convenient! But he's all powerful and can't show himself???? This really doesn't add up...

  • @gezzarandom
    @gezzarandom Před 2 lety +1

    Well said Mr Sensible, Stephen Fry said it best when he was on Irish television. Give it a watch if you can, fascinating.

    • @mrxmry3264
      @mrxmry3264 Před 2 lety

      what did he say?

    • @georgeprout42
      @georgeprout42 Před 2 lety +1

      The one with Gay Byrne - "The Meaning of Life"? Not as funny as the Monty Python version, but still a brilliant watch. I don't think I can post a link, but it's here on YT and the last bit of the URL is /watch?v=-suvkwNYSQo

    • @gezzarandom
      @gezzarandom Před 2 lety

      @@georgeprout42 That’s it, just type Stephen Fry on God and you’ll find it that way.

  • @DelBoy573
    @DelBoy573 Před 2 lety +1

    If these Christian’s are so convinced God exits then why do they say you need faith? Faith, which means to believe without proof. If it was so obvious then faith wouldn’t be apart of their equation.

  • @disgracetologic
    @disgracetologic Před 2 lety +1

    Thank you so much for caring for my honesty... its time you will take care of yours!

    • @fepeerreview3150
      @fepeerreview3150 Před 2 lety +1

      I'm confused by this. Is someone being dishonest?

    • @disgracetologic
      @disgracetologic Před 2 lety +1

      @@fepeerreview3150
      Well this YEC thinks I am...and pretty sure he thinks the same of you.

    • @fepeerreview3150
      @fepeerreview3150 Před 2 lety +1

      @@disgracetologic Got it!

  • @annaschofield
    @annaschofield Před 2 lety

    I love reminding him I just don’t believe in 1 more god than you- you are so close to being right

  • @erics2133
    @erics2133 Před 2 lety

    My web browser's color picker says that pen cap is in fact a rather desaturated green. So while not proof (as wonderfully demonstrated by Mr Sensible), it is an indication that the pen color is in fact green. Now, my web browser doesn't have a deity picker, so this guy will have to provide his own evidence for that one.

  • @A15degreeperhourdrift
    @A15degreeperhourdrift Před 2 lety +2

    God botherers are 99.9% atheist, of all the available gods, they only believe in 1.
    That's 1 more than me.

    • @FlattardiansSuck
      @FlattardiansSuck Před 2 lety +1

      OMNEG (Oh my non existent god). That is an excellent point. Well done.

  • @Richard-ox6zk
    @Richard-ox6zk Před 2 lety +1

    Atheism is a religion like baldness is a haircolor.

  • @Kualinar
    @Kualinar Před 2 lety +1

    Atheism is as much a belief as not collecting stamps is a hobby, or sitting on a chair a sport, or not playing a game is playing another game.
    I don't believe that he showed a green pen, I know that he showed a green pen because he actually showed an actual green pen.
    An atheist only believe in one god less than him. That's one less out of the several millions of gods that we find in Human History. Hinduism, all by itself, have over 6000000 gods. The Egyptian pantheon may have even more. After all, according to ancient Egyptian theology, everybody become at least a lesser god after death. Then, the ancient Chinese had the Celestial bureaucracy with innumerable gods and godly servants. That makes him at least 1/20000000 less atheist than I am.

  • @marcosmith6613
    @marcosmith6613 Před 2 lety

    Pretty straight forward explanation of the lack of evidence for any deity existing. Surely conflating this to presume a common atheist world view is simply a projection from the religious side?

  • @toastgown
    @toastgown Před 2 lety +2

    That person's ramblings are giving me a headache.

  • @alanmtbuk
    @alanmtbuk Před 2 lety

    It's a small off duty Czechsolvakian traffic warden

  • @dagobertkrikelin1587
    @dagobertkrikelin1587 Před 2 lety

    I've seen a grainy photograph of "Nessie" but never of any god...

  • @Ruddigore
    @Ruddigore Před 2 lety +1

    I think the very first thing this chap needs to do is re-examine his social skills, which he most admirably demonstrates are non existent.

  • @BrianMelancon
    @BrianMelancon Před 2 lety

    @3:50 I would not go so far as to say ignorance is a good thing. It's not a bad thing either. It's just your state of being when you don't know something, neither good nor bad. You can, however, handle that ignorance in a good or bad way. The good way would be to strive to replace that ignorance with knowledge. The bad way would be to pretend you're not ignorant and proudly proclaim you already have all the answers.

  • @bobblum5973
    @bobblum5973 Před 2 lety +1

    So, is it "Pointless Thorns", "Pointless Thoughts", or "Thoughtless Points"?

  • @mr.b415
    @mr.b415 Před 2 lety +1

    How dare he not believe in Nessie, quite rude if you ask me.

  • @belgiumball2308
    @belgiumball2308 Před 2 lety +1

    No.

  • @monsterguyx6322
    @monsterguyx6322 Před 2 lety +1

    Yeaaaah... um...
    No.

  • @joewhip9303
    @joewhip9303 Před 2 lety +1

    There is a difference in thinking that there may be a God as in the creator of the universe vs. the personal God that the religious believe in as in Christianity. I do not know if the prior god exists. Maybe, maybe not. But the God of the Bible that forms the basis of Judaism and Christianity? I see no proof of that god at all. None. In fact, that god makes no sense at all.