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- Skip Bayless, Ric Bucher and Keyshawn Johnson discuss the latest news in the NBA including the Oklahoma City Thunder securing the top spot in the in West, Denver Nuggets finishing second and Shai Gilgeous-Alexander’s MVP bid over Nikola Jokić.
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Thunder finish atop West, Nuggets finish 2nd: Does SGA deserve MVP over Jokić? | NBA | UNDISPUTED
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How bias NBA 76es never been in 1seed since day 1 but NBA ESPN pick embiid mvp before embiid got injured but denver NUGGETS need to be number 1 😂😂😂to get mvp award haha😂😂😂😂
Can you explain why Embiid, even though he didn't get the number one seed in the East in NBA ESPN, was considered the MVP before getting injured? Both the Denver Nuggets and the 76ers were 3rd seeds then. Why does the Denver Nuggets need to be the number 1 seed for Jokic to get the MVP? The voters are really biased, especially people like you. The NBA is really racist.
@user-ug8rr1ep9z I am a die hard nuggets fan and Jokic should have won his 3rd in a row last year. But dude, the way Embiid was playing this year before going down was unreal amd at THAT point in the season he was definitely MVP. Look at his numbers and you will see that Embiid really was playing at a different level. He would have obliterated the NBA record for PER all while leading the league in scoring, averaging 35/11/6. The man was seriously playing at a level I have never seen him play at and that is saying something considering how great of a player he is.
Either way, Jokic ended up deserving it this year after it's all said and done and it really should be 4 in a row now.
@@connorh6183 bias embiid never been in number 1 seed before he got injured end still NBA ESPN you yourself say embiid is the mvp they don't need to be in number seed but denver NUGGETS need to get number 1 seed so jokic can be mvp
“Jokic has never been on the top of my MVP ballot”. Thanks, that’s all I need to hear. You just lost all credibility.
Ric, Rob Parker, and Kendrick Perkins are the worst
It's Ric Bucher. He's a 🤡. Doesn't surprise me
Why he lose all credibility, the man doesn't have to agree with the majority of what people think
Ric Bucher = a tool
He never had Joker on top of his MVP ballot over the last three years? Yea that is a problem.
OKC: finishes atop the west
the media: *does the Lakers have what it takes to make it to the finals??*
*Lakers knocked out in playin*
"Will the NBA implement a best of 3 for the playin tonight?"
Now you know how the nuggets felt with that coverage
🤷🏿I don’t know what to tell you
@@merk_dat_azz6939Believe it or not. A lot of people favoring the Nuggets to repeat. So I don’t get your point sir🤷🏿
@vincente4570 watch the coverage from last year
This is EXACTLY why the national media should NOT have a vote in awards.
Exactly
Do you think the players or the fans should vote? I think it would be best if players, media, and fan votes all counted
💯 saying teams play down to OKC is pathetic
@@trevorlewellin4698 let AI do an algorithm to (partially decide) the rightful winner. That way we remove voter fatigue, narrative, irrelevant historical context, and all the other things that have nothing to do with who was the most valuable that year
@@kimtoncoleman8934how? Lol
Skip has been doing nothing but shitting on Joker for the four last years.
Skip: "I got the Joker burnout."
What I heard: "I slept on Thunder and will continue to do so" 😂
Doesn't even make sense. How you can sleep on a team all season along. Maybe the first half like jazz last year rockets this year at the beginning but the second half of season you can't let a team finish first on a conference like that. So okc deserve it
Doesn't even make sense. How you can sleep on a team all season along. Maybe the first half like jazz last year rockets this year at the beginning but the second half of season you can't let a team finish first on a conference like that. So okc deserve it
It’s easy to sleep on a team who has done nothing in the playoffs. See Memphis for exactly, went from a 2 seed to some bums. When they prove themselves people will start to recognize
Exactly what I heard
everything in this life is earned
It's a 82 game season. There's only so long you can sneak up on people. That's a dumb Argument
Dumbest argument I heard in my life stg especially when OKC the youngest team
agreed
Not really. Regular season in general is far less competitive than post season, and people don't consider OKC as a credible post season threat. Sort of like how Nuggets were treated last year. For the entire season, the narrative was that the road to the finals goes through Denver, not Oklahoma. If OKC goes on a deep post season run, next year it will be much different.
As if the players are stupid and don't pay attention. Terrible argument.
The real reason he and others will vote for Jokic is because they messed up last year giving it to Embiid instead of him. This is a makeup for that. They robbed Jokic, now they will rob SGA
@@sarmatiannsSo you’re saying professional NBA coaches and players only play hard against the best teams, or at least, only the teams they think will be in the playoffs?
The level of disrespect in that mindset is unreal. Denver was getting everyone’s best shot but no one tried to beat the Thunder. And THAT’S the only reason they ended up in first place.
Keyshawn saying Jokics game is bland... shows he knows absolutely nothing about basketball
I think you're assuming he doesn't know anything about basketball simply because you didn't like what he said 🤷 lol. Keyshawn is right his style of scoring is bland. It's not flashy, super aggressive or athletic....It's just very efficient and more boring than entertaining.... Nobody is downplaying fundamentals lol...
@@1bengalsfan817 but nun about his passing is bland… he’s like the best passer in basketball rn…. joker gets oooohs and ahhhhs every night for that..
@@1bengalsfan817the shots and dimes that Jokic makes are flashy
Keyshawn haircut is trash 🗑
@@jerrywilliams3373 he's rich
Slept on the thunder but yet continues to ignore the meaning of "Most Valuable Player" umm am I missing something? This is the reason why the media should never have a say when it comes to voting. The goal post gets shifted, and narratives always change just to fit their version of MVP.
national media hosts consistently show they have no idea what they're talkin about 😂😂😂 OKC is back
WEEEE BACK
@@Wanteyt WEEE WANT ALL THE SMOKE
Back to what 🤔 you've never made it to a title game much less win 1 😂
@@cjm9099WTF. Yes they have. 😂
@@crimson8673 don't reply to trolls 🤣 ain't worth it
And Key, you gotta go bro, you don't make sense 🤦🏾♂️
I fast forward whenever he talks. He's absolutely clueless and brings no value to the show.
He’s made zero good takes. Does he have a history with basketball analysts? Doesn’t he come from football?
I swear this man is high he literally said this is the first year Jokic has proved himself to be the best dominant big man in the nba. I swear he must of only started watching the nba this year…
Cuz jokic was the 5th seed when he won
Jokic was the 3rd seed and 6th seed with euroleague players when he won. Jokic never had allstar teammate or superstar teammate, unlike luka, kd, lebron, steph and many many others. Jokic will win 7 mvp's
I don’t care if you vote Jokic over SGA but to say that the Thunder didn’t get everybody’s best shot is a bs take. They were at the top of the west standing all year. How do you sneak up on people at the top of the standings?
He's saying it so he can vote for Jokic. He wants to give it to Jokic and needs a reason so he made up one. All I study is belief systems and the subconscious. I'm telling you he had his mind up already. If Denver had the 3rd seed he would still vote for Jokic.
@@AnonymousUser-ss2qr There are legitimate reasons to genuinely consider voting for Jokic over SGA (e.g. Jokic leads the league in total winshares - a measure of how much a player contributes to a win - as well as winshares per 48mins, offensive, defensive and overall Box plus/minus _as well as_ efficiency), but this clown went for some absolutely baseless nonsense instead. *They should be embarrassed.*
@@henryviiifake8244 you guys really think nba teams don't play harder when they go against the defending champs?? Why is this such a hot take for you guys lmfao cope harder
The other thing about SGA is he become a superb defender this year.
It’s not just the 1st place finish, they beat Denver 3 out of 4 games this season and SGA hit the game winner with a second left IN DENVER!
Horrible explanation for SGA not to get the vote
Ok here's a simple explanation for you: Jokic is a better player than SGA, and he's more valuable to the Nuggets than SGA is to OKC. Was that better?
The disrespect to nuggets and jokic lmao
What?! The disrespect to OKC! OKC won and they still won't give SGA his credit. As far as the Nuggets, Jokic is good but I still say their most important player is Jamal Murray.
@@dariusthegreat3097Jokic is most important by a mile that’s why he has won multiple mvps and finals MVP…However, Murray is robin to jokic’s batman and needs him to win the chip so Murray is a very important piece!!
Nobody had disrespected the nuggets all year. Stop it.
They’re sitting here downplaying OKC
@@macman2141 Who is SGA's Pippen? I will wait. You take him off this team and they don't make the playoffs. For Denver, without Murray they are barely .500. Take him off the team and they will make the playoffs but be an early exist like they were a couple of seasons ago.
Nikola Jokic is great but hella overrated the white media are hyping him up to be the next white hope he is not the face of the nba nor the best that titles belongs to Giannis or either Anthony Edwards JA Morant and upcoming superstar in Wembemyana
SGA is a great player. Jokic is a transcendent player.
Exactly haha
No one is arguing that Jokic is not a transcendent player. The debate is who is the NBA MVP for the 2023-2024 season, that’s it!
I agree with u but he is on a way better team SGA is the MVP they would not even be in the playoffs without SGA. Nobody is saying he is better then the Joker but give the man his props. MJ didn't win it every year but he was clearly the best player
It reminds me of kobe vs wade in 2009....and lebron vs kobe in 2008
@@Pgprince86 So you dont know that transcendet player IS the mvp player!? Ideemooo Jokaraaaa, tucii paceree! RS RS RS
ain’t no way man said thunder snuck up on people
That was just one of the dumb things he said. He’s full of dumb one-liners.
@@ErroneousMonk1 that's the narrative the media does to give the mvp to people. It doesn't matter what u do, the script already chose someone
How is Luka not being brought up
Have to wait to the playoffs start, then the sports media are forced to talk about him
Because that’s in a different segment
Ric Bucher will do the votes for FS1. You could check the tracker on internet Luka is in the convo. He is even projected to finish at second behind Jokic
they hated his greatness
@@DonGivanihe should be first.
Jokic in, Jokic out...largest point swing by far of any player. Just stop with the dumb arguments.
Skip for the basketball segments kick Keyshawn off and bring in Ric, Rachel and Paul!
On god !
Facts
He has been HORRIBLE since his show with jay and max.
Agreed 💯
Kick Ric and bring in Legler
Funny thing is that Jamal murray has never been an All-Star. So Skip saying that is just crazy!
Still All-Star worthy
Sga averaging 30. First in the west. Lead the league in steals. National media says OKC snuck up on people, but they're the same group that predicted us to only get 40 wins. So if we're supposed to be a trash team from the beginning then someone has to get the credit for taking us to the 1st. SGA is the MVP
34/9/10 (SGA - 30/5/6)
21 triple doubles (SGA - 0)
50 30pt games in 70 (SGA - 51 in 75)
I'm not even going to talk about 35pt, 40pt, 50pt, 60pt and 70pt game.
I don't think I need to tell you who I'm talking about, and I think this ends the discussion right there.
@@PedroJr17WTF are you talking about
@@LloydAlmighty not what, but who. The real mvp - Luka Dončić.
@@PedroJr17 and no defense.
@@PedroJr17 Oh I thought you were talkin about Luka for a Sec 😂
Jokic might be the most under appreciated basketball player in history. With that said, this is going to be a difficult vote. Just imagine if Embid qualified for MVP this year.
He was before he got injured. He was cooking
He is certainly underappreciated, but doncic is more underappreciated than him, he didn‘t even won 1 mvp and voters are tired of him. And I am half serbian and half greek so no bias
He's only underappreciated by the bobblehead idiots on ESPN
U callin him under appreciated but he was mvp as a 6th seed.u callin embid and he was the better player this year before the injuries.u jus biased
@@festusaniemeka3350 I really feel bad for the Philly fans, they have expend so much energy defending the worst MVP in NBA history, while also swallowing the fact that the "Process" has been a complete failure..
"Nobody was expecting them to be vying for #1"
That's exactly why SGA is deserving. Everyone including myself probably thought they'd be a lower playoff seeded team or a Play-In team again at best, yet they are #1 in a tough Western conference. If they were in the East, they'd probably have the best record in the NBA by far since they'd be playing more Eastern teams. They have a 70% win percentage against the East & a 69% win percentage against the West. Take SGA off OKC, they'd be a lottery team, they're way too young, but SGA's leadership & skills is what takes them to the top of the standings. OKC would be a far worse team witthout SGA, than the Nuggets would be without Jokic. You can't penalize SGA because "this is his first time, so teams didn't play hard against them." Lol
Over rated ...
Jaylen williams is not far from him as far as talent and will be allstar in the close years , chet is great for his impact at the rim and they have elite shooters surrounded and great bench , sga is a bucket we know but he cant impact the game like jokic or luka or even brunson , and it will show up playoff time , they are first round exit mark my words.
@@underworldeu1626 "will be allstar in the close years"
But is Jaylen there yet? No. Chet is great for a rookie, but without SGA would he have been capable of leading OKC to the Playoffs? No. They are 2-5 without SGA this season, while the Nuggets are 2-1 without Jokic. "they are a first round exit" has nothing to do with MVP talk, as what happens during the playoffs doesn't account for who wins MVP. He can't impact the game like Jokic, Luka, or Brunson? Well some of those guys can't impact the defensive end like SGA. Lmao
SGA is the most Valuable player this year. He is the clear MVP. He has given the most value to his team. The stats have never dictated overall value to the franchise and fan base and contention growth. No one compares to SGA in this category!! He’s the true MVP this year!!! 💯💯💯
Jokic is the best and will make anyone or any team a championship team. He make each of his teammates better.
Shai and OKC get disrespected and left out of the conversation for absolutely no reason 😂 people just be making up narratives.
I heard about 6 different narratives, crazy
That's a very lazy way to say you choosing jokic they snuck up on ppl literally everyone said okc was coming this was no surprise
It's made even worse by the fact that Jokic leads the league in a number of key metrics like efficiency, winshares (basically scaling a players impact on team success) and winshares per 48 mins and this absolute bozo ignores all of that.
SGA, Luka, Jokic all deserving but for me it came down to number 1 seed in the West. Shai as the sole all star on his team should edge it out, leading a young squad to the top counts. Denver got the better of team, Mavs got Kyrie.
But they will make up whatever narrative to give it to Jokic. And it'll happen in 2025 too.
"yes, murray was in and out, and he's an all star..." translation:
murray missed most of the season (restricted minutes, DNPS, etc) and he is NOT an all-star (but I'm saying it to make SGA argument...
Skip is irredeemable.
Man SGA should be the MVP nobody saw them being the # 1 seed in the west
He absolutely should be, but I don’t think they’re gonna give it to him
Its double edged sword, talking about expectations=yes they over performed and hes best player on the team, BUT between SGA,Jokic,Luka if they take all 3 of the rosters OKC would be best team out of 3. If we look individually in a vacuum Jokic and Luka are just better than him
"Man SGA should be the MVP because he's black and Jokic is white"
Just translating your BS comment to what you really meant.
Nuggets are the champs. They have by far more experience in winning games than OKC, who have the youngest rosters in the NBA. However, OKC is number 1 with SGA leading them.
Its definitely SGA Skip you got it right.
I can’t believe we let this guy vote 🤦♂️. OKC not getting everybody’s best shot? They have been top 3 in the west the entire year? Casual.
That’s what I’m saying!! Have they been paying any attention this year?😭
The Nuggets have been getting everybody’s best shot because they are the Champions.
@@lucasgarzajr.6549 Haha, yes, Oklahoma Thunder is such a strong team that they have no chance to win the league, just like Boston :D We will see their strength when the playoffs start, mark my words!
Jokic doesn’t care about regular season MVP. He’s been winning them without even trying. He’d be happy if Luka won it.
Agree
The fact that the name Luka Doncic didn't come up in the conversation is crazy. He might not be the clear favorite, but he's clearly in the conversation
2:03 they need to get an actual NBA analyst on here because who says Jokic game is bland?
I agree lol I never heard this take before 😆
People who aren't high flying dunkers are called bland by casuals like Key... those same casuals said the same thing about Duncan.
Yes duncan was boring and jokic is worse and wether you're a casual or a expert that's the reality
@@caponedadon4046 i disagree. Jokic makes some of the sickest plays you can imagine. Obvoisouly you watch basketball from a skew point of view
The problem is not whether Jokic has a "bland" playstyle or not, it's the fact that it's even being _brought up_ in a conversation about MVP. Its just ridiculous.
They always say “best player on the best team during the regular season” when talking about MVP.
So Tatum is the MVP.
@@Jasmoo25 Also, have to consider how good the "others" are. Tatum has the most help for a 1st option player. Jrue was a 2nd option last year with the Bucks, yet this year he is the 5th option, that alone shows how much help Tatum has.
@@lazzi2462 We agree to disagree on that one. I think Denver is stacked as a team. Jokic has the most help and it ain't even close.
@@dariusthegreat3097 Jokic has more help than the media likes to give them credit for, but the Celtics are by far the most talented team, so Tatum has the most help.
Like I stated, you literally have Jrue, who was an Allstar & 2nd option last year as your 5th option player. That's just crazy, the 2nd best player from one team becoming your 5th option. Tatum has two other teammates who are averaging 20+ ppg, Joker only has one in Murray. Tatum's starting lineup not including himself averages 70.8ppg, Joker's starting mates average 61.9ppg. Tatum by far has the most help.
@@lazzi2462 You know what, you're right. Tatum does have a lot of help. I think what I was saying is that Jokic has a lot of help as well but didn't' even think about Boston's depth. I don't know it's just something about Boston I just don't trust. I can see them coming out of the East cause it's weak but I can actually see a team like Indiana or Miami beating them again.
SGA Deserve The MVP ! The Thunder Not Even Suppose To Be Here ! They Suppose to Be In ReBuild TBH ! The 2nd Youngest Team In The NBA .. The Youngest Team EvER To Finish 1st ! Averaging 30 With no other star on the team ! Put Some Respect On His Name ‼️‼️
I feel you, they change the narrative every year to fit whoever they want to be MVP. I guarantee if Luka or Jokic lead a team of 23 year olds to 1st place and were elite on both sides of the floor they’d be runaway MVP
@@dez_chi_boi They Need To Pay Attention To This Narrative Because They Still Got 15 1st Round Picks Over 6 Years 🔥 And They Picking The Right Guys
Anybody who thinks Jokić game is bland, doesn’t really understand brilliant individual basketball. The difference is Jokić individual play results in winning/competing for CHAMPIONSHIPS and making everybody else around him better. Anybody who loves to watch basketball played the right way, loves watching a guy like Jokić.
Y’all are upset about the Thunder not getting enough attention but hey, the reason why they’re not giving them credit is because they’re exceeding expectations which wasn’t high from the start. Be happy they’re sleeping on yall, snd show up big.
To me that’s a compliment for so many teams not taking the thunder seriously. But that’s just me, stay strong OKC nation I’m rooting for yall and I’m definitely not a OKC fan.
Keyshawn needs to fire his barber immediately !
I have a hard time believing jokic was never on the top of ur ballot,but all of a sudden u got him this year I call bs
instead of being a lazy hater, look up the published results
For those who think SGA is MVP and dominated NBA consider this. All or most Stars stats in the league start to regress a bit after All Star game since is the 2nd half of the season and defenses start playing harder, but…. These are he’s stats (Avg/Game) as the season progressed:
PTS / FG% / 3P% / REB / AST / STL
Pre-All Star: 31.1/55.0/39.4/5.5/6.5/2.2
Post-All Star: 27.5/50.6/27.5/5.5/5.4/1.6
Since March: 26.2/48.7/26.0/5.4/5.2/1.6
Last 10 Gms: 24.0/47.5/25.3/5.2/4.9/1.5
I respect the stat breakdown, but did you consider SGA played with an injury or missed games bc of an injury after the all star break?
he was injured post all star and tried to play thru it. Ruined his stats. Thats why he was missing games to end the season. He realized that he couldn't play through it since he was limping on court.
He got injured
Thank you for giving my man Jamal Murray his just due, dude is a legit star, check his run out, not saying he is better than Jokic just saying the man needs to be mentioned more when it comes to the success of the Denver Nuggets
The SGA disrespect is crazy, he’s leading a team of 23 year olds to 1st place in the tougher conference while being elite on both sides of the floor. Great stats and a winning team that’s an MVP
They're constantly changing the standard for this mvp award.
SGA is working with less than joker. And got his team the #1 seed.
SGA scored 15 points and OKC beat dallas by 50
@@garebear77 Kyrie and Luka didn’t play… I guess you don’t watch lol
I'm not convinced he has less, but he does have one less win than Jokic this season
Yeah it's not really even a conversation they kiss Jokers feet he's not the MVP this year IDC what anyone says 😂
@@garebear77the last game of the season…wtf are you talking about
And this is why I hate media bruh, you complain the league is soft, that no one plays defense, but you reward the people who don’t play defense, respectfully Luka and Joker are cones, and SGA is a two way player with the most 30 point games and leads the league in steals🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
#1 Seed in the West too 🤦🏽♂️
SGA should def get mvp
I honestly don’t know how Rick still has a job,, same with rob parker
Skip has looked really good as of late in his analysis ...Probably bc he's seating next to Keyshawn
SGA easily should be MVP. 10 seed to number 1. And they have been in the top 3-4 ALL SEASON
I've had Sga Luka TATUM and Ant Edward's as my top 4! Shai deserves so much more attention they own the #1 spot and Tatum does too like wtf they the Most Valuable Players on they're team
Give SGA his due man
Thunder leads the series against Denver 3-1
SGA- MVP
Luka Doncié this season:
• 34/9/10
• 1st in points
• 2nd in assists
• 73 point game (4th highest ever)
• First 33/9/9 season in NBA history
• Most 30-PT TD's since MVP Russ
• 1st in 25-point games
• 1st in 35-point games
• 1st in 40-point games
• 1st in 45-point games
• 2nd in 3's made
• Top 10 in steals
• 61.7% TS
• Highest scoring season in Mavs history
• Most PPG + RPG + APG since the merger.
• Most consecutive 25 point triple-doubles ever
• Most consecutive 30 point triple-doubles ever
• Lifted Mavs from 11 seed to 5 seed
• Most games missed by teammates among all playoff teams
• Mavs 50+ wins
• Mavs 1st in clutch win%
• 6th best record in entire NBA
- One of the greatest seasons of all time. He is the MVP.
SGA deserve MVP Jokic has a superstar with him Jamal. SGA is doing this on his own some good players.
Jokic is modern day Tim Duncan.
Luka had the better season than both and it's not close. I just don't get what the media is looking at. They all had great seasons but the eye test and stats actually lined up this year.
Scoring wise sure but compared to joker thats all luka has over him, jokic is a better passer than luka they are both great obv jokic is a better rebounder thats it for the trsditional stats. Advanced stats all favor Jokic over Luka, overall plus/minus defensive rating etc
Because Luka's number are very similar or even better than Lebron and LeMedia can't have him being brought up this early. Once Lebron retires, you will see the media hype up Luka more.
Luka has field goal attempts and 3 point percentage on him that’s literally all he has 🤦♂️
@@user-uv9oy1qp5m Luka is averaging 33.9 points, 9.8 assists and 9.2 rebounds.........who has better number than him this year? I will wait....
Nice to almost hear a show talk about 1 of the other 29 teams without mentioning the Lakers.
lakers cowboys yankees are the biggest teams in sports....it is what it is
The journalist in the middle at one point pronounced Jokis name correct, accentuating the name on the first syllable, as it is correct, and then he immediately "corrected" himself and said Nik-OLA, as Americans usually pronounce - its wrong, as a Serb who is 30 years old, in Serbia Nikola is one of the most common names, I've never heard any Serbian pronounce the name Nikola like that, so it's not NikOLA, but NIkola - the accent is on the first syllable, when we in Serbia hear how you pronounce his name we die of laughter! :D
5 MVP Candidates should be
1. SGA
2. Luka
3. Jokic
4. Tatum
5. Brunson
I like 4 and 5. Giannis barely slides to 6. The top 3 could go in any order, My bias says Luka 1
That's completely not true what Ric said about this was the 'first year' where Jokic imposed is will - he's done that his whole career in games where it's needed. If this is the first year Ric is voting for Jokic I don't trust him to tell me what day of the week it is
SGA is the mvp. Youngest team in the league. Nobody is sneaking up on you after 82 games. Joker is deserving but SGA is more deserving
Degree of difficulty?? Skip is insane. Joker plays everywhere and completely controls the offense. He is also swarmed in the paint and still makes the right play.
Lol the Nuggets just did not want that 1st seed to avoid the Mavs in the second round. Mvp should be just Jokic and Luka
SGA is the number 1 seed, with a weaker supporter cast and less expirenced coach. He's the MVP. Luka is really not even in the conversation. He's a 5th seed and he has Kyrie on his team. He'll be 3rd though. Jokic number 2... again.
@@user-dn3fn3bg4l SGA's team is better than Jokic's team. People really downplay the rest of the Thunder for the sake of narrative, but the entire squad is solid. Also, Chet's emergence has been HUGE for OKC. Remember what seed they were last year without Chet? Even when Jokic was playing with Uber drivers as his starting backcourt, they were still the 6th seed and in the playoffs.
Luka is #1 for points, #3 for assists, #2 for 3 pointers, #3 for triple doubles, whilst being the most doubled player in the league, and he does it all with great flair and style. And if we're going to apply context don't forget the Mavericks have been one of the most injury ravaged teams and have been hit extremely hard with injuries for most of the season. Luka has clearly had the best season and Jokic and Luka are the two best players and two most deserving.
Jokic is an amazing scorer, passer, playmaker, is crazy consistent and efficient, and is like a conductor conducting an orchestra. He's definite;y the best player in the world and his scoring stats are suppressed by having the refs trying to sabotage him. SGA and Luka get sent to the FT like a lot more
SGA is just not on the same talent level as Jokic and Luka and much of the push we're seeing for his case is please don't give it to someone who looks like Jokic and Luka. SMFH
Facts
@@strontium2955The Mavericks have been ravaged by injuries? Like the last game against the Thunder???
Luka is the MvP
Plz stop 😂
And its not even close Luka is the true MVP, the real ones all know, and the clowns will be exposed.
@sikkouvol.1996 fluke is not mvp over joker so stop !!
@@sikkouvol.1996it’s so easy to see who hasn’t been watching Luka play consistently this year and these 3 clowns talking perfectly demonstrate it.
Not a Mavs fan but Luka should win
The NBA should have a MVP award for the West and East
in the 4gms the Warriors played Thunder 2 went to OT and all happened before Jan when Warriors seeemed to have found themselves...now i say all that to say they still have an uphill battle but if they do make it i wouldnt be suprised if they pull that series upset
Remember that the Mavs rested all of their starters for the finals games..... OKC literally got a free win lol
Also OKC's OFF rating goes from 119 to like 117 without SGA
The Mavs go from like 116 to 108 without Luka
This idea that OKC are scrubs without SGA is hilarious
We were still competing for the number 1 seed lmao. The starters only played like 15 min.
Yep and wemby rested against them. 2 mavericks games down the stretch luka didn’t play.
The other team is still in the NBA wtf u talking about. They still could have won
And the Spurs beat the Nuggets. One of the worst teams in the NBA
Go Thunder! Fck what y'all talking! 👊🏾😑
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Jokić was the only player in the league that averaged at least 25 points, 10 rebounds, and 9 assists. He's the sixth player to ever put up these numbers.
Nikola was second in total at-rim assists and total two-point assists.
He was first in total steals by a center.
Jokić was fifth in total deflections in the NBA.
He was second in the NBA in non-restricted painted area field goal percentage at 61.7 percent (minimum 100 attempts). This is typically where players take floaters and hook shots from.
He finished second in total points in the painted area.
Jokić was first in post-up points and assists.
He also led the league in total points and total assists from the elbows.
Jokić recorded the second-most double-doubles in the league with 68 and the second-most triple-doubles with 25.
Nikola had 21 games of 25-point triple-doubles, which led the league.
The consensus thinking for the past few years has been that NO ONE plays hard during the regular season so why is OKC/SGA the only entity being penalized for it? Same could be said for Denver and Boston. Who’s to say teams were giving their all against them on a nightly basis as well.
SGA officially arrived as a superstar this season. I'm sure he's going to be the MVP at some point, maybe multiple times. Just not now. Luka should get it, but Joker has the narrative surrounding him. That's how it goes.
He arrived last year, this year he affirmed and proved it wasn't a fluke
Naw no next year bro he is the MVP this year @@MickeyEntertains
@@MickeyEntertains true
@@Mansjushereinnit He wasn't the #1 seed last season or projected as possible MVP. This was his breakout season. This was the type of season Deaaron Fox should have had.
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His team broke out this year not the player....
You can't tell me he didn't breakout last year when he got his 1st All Star, All NBA 1st Team and Averaged 31.4 PTS, 4.8 Reb, 5.5 AST, 1 BLK and 1.6 STL on 51 - 34.5 - 90.5 Splits
Let's stop playing around, Last Year was his big break man....if we being honest his realbreak was probably 2021/22 because if Paolo got his breakout season this year shai got his back then because Paolo this year as an all star averaged what Shai got that year🤷🏾♂️
Jokić MVP
Shai does not have the stats to compare to Jokic
10th in ppg (5th in total)
4th in RPG (3rd in total)
3rd APG (2nd in total)
2nd field goals made
8th in steals
58.3 field goal %
65% true shooting
9th in minutes played
1st in PER
1st in win shares
1st box plus/minus
1st in VORP
1st in PIE
1st in Raptor
2nd in triple doubles
On floor +11.6
Off floor -8.4
On/off = +20.0
SGA finished the year off super inconsistent. He had his worst games to finish the year
6 games missed
Against the bucks - 23/7/3 33%shooting
Against the knicks- 19/2/3 4 turnovers
Against the bucks again - 12/3/2 4 turnovers
Against Toronto - 23/7/8 with 6 turnovers
MVP is about the impact on team. That's why, SGA should get it. Jokic clearly has the better team.
@@upfulsoul826 Shai’s on/off court numbers say otherwise. They have a really solid team actually.
@@upfulsoul826nuggets fan here their roster isn’t very good last him and Murray. When jokic sits they kinda suck
@user-uv9oy1qp5m you're crazy MPJ and Gordon have actually won them games and I'm a huge Nuggets fan. Murray isn't the only player that helps. You might want to get DIRECTV so you can actually watch all the games.
@@lawrencealexander3737 Ikr lol. KCP is very good too.
Jokić was fifth in total points, third in total rebounds, second in total assists, and eighth in total steals. He’s the only player in NBA history to be top-10 in all four categories in a single season.
Nikola was the only player in the NBA that was top-15 in average points (twelfth), assists (fourth), and rebounds (fourth) this season.
Jokić led the entire league in on/off offensive efficiency with plus-18.9 points per 100 possessions.
He was first in total plus-minus at plus-682.
Jokić was first in VORP (Value Over Replacement Player), PER (Player Efficiency Rating), Win Shares, Offensive Win Shares, Box Plus/Minus, Offensive Box Plus/Minus, and Defensive Box Plus/Minus.
Every single Nuggets starter had a higher effective field goal percentage with Jokić on the floor compared to him off it.
Jokić was the only player in the league that averaged at least 25 points, 10 rebounds, and 9 assists. He's the sixth player to ever put up these numbers.
Nikola was second in total at-rim assists and total two-point assists.
He was first in total steals by a center.
Jokić was fifth in total deflections in the NBA.
He was second in the NBA in non-restricted painted area field goal percentage at 61.7 percent (minimum 100 attempts). This is typically where players take floaters and hook shots from.
He finished second in total points in the painted area.
SGA FOR MVP 🏆
Two words: DENVER NUGGETS 💪🏽
Idemooo Jokaraaaaa, kiiiidaj, cela Srbija je ponosno uz tebe!
Petition to get keyshawn off the show
One year it's best team best record. Best player. Next year it's Jokic is the best. One year it's triple doubles. Man is second in scoring 1st in steals in the west but naw
They all very deserving , cant go wrong with either of them. But I'd give it to SGA for leading the young Okc to the top in the West.
Isn’t that the reason why shai should be MVP? No one expected him to be this good and lead his team to the nunber 1 seed in the west, everyone expects jokic to do this. You can argue that Luka should be MVP also.
Luka should be MVP! 1st in scoring and 3rd in assists . With the Mavs winning 50games.
Defense exists, and Jokic is a league above him in that regard
He is second in the latest poll
SGA deserves MVP!!!
I can’t believe sga has taken a group of rookies to the top seed😮😮
I mean I get it's hard to choose between them I get it but there sounds like some media bias towards Jokic to get it, dude was using any and every excuse for Shai not to win it
The Mavs are going to run through OKC in round 2. Then that will settle the debate about Luka or SGA
Paul Pierce Issa Kool addition
Is not OKC fault that everyone slept on them, SGA is my MVP!
Luka deserves the MVP, why are yall talking about SGA and Jokic??
Skip: Jamal is an all star.
Jamal: I am? When did i become that?
Bukvalno lazu ko psi
Wow.... Keyshawn actually praising Jokic?? Never thought I'd see the day lol
Luka better than both
If that's the case don't worry Luka will get the finals MVP
Y'all talking smack. SGA literally carried his team to a place no one imagined averaging 30 a game with less personnel than Denver. The MVP title has lost credibility
No! He doesn’t. There is a process to this. Most players have to have the kind of season SGA is having followed by a solid playoff run AND THEN they are officially in the convo the next season when everybody expects you to play at that level. This would be a year early for SGA.
SGA been cooking. This year he just got his team the Ws
Shai is mvp it’s not even debatable
People think that just because you score/average 30+ppg for 50+ games in a season that makes you the MVP, but it’s also about making your teammates better/elevating them.
Just shut up you saying exactly what SGA did with the 30+ ppg lol just stop talking basketball you bot
They were 10th seed last year. Won the season series against the champs. Y’all so biased, it’s embarrassing.
@christopherdavis6918 you didn't listen to him or don't know how to read. He said it's about elevating the other players. Mvp isn't about beating a certain team or being first in the west with the same record as the number two seed. Mvp is about making your whole team better. Jokic absolutely does that. He involves everyone. He doesn't need to score 50 a game. That's how great he is.
@@sickfix2107 you don’t comprehend. A team doesn’t go from 10th seed to 1st seed without players being elevated. But not only did he elevate the entire teams play, he elevated them above Jokic in 3 out of 4 matchups. Don’t be willfully asinine.