I Answer Your Questions About Shock Value [+ Fox's Response!]
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- čas přidán 3. 08. 2024
- Our CZcams series called Shock Value, where we blind tested 5 sets of off road shocks on a Toyota Tacoma got a lot of people's curiousity piqued. There were hundreds of comments, so we went through and tried to answer as many of the big ones as we could!
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I really want to see you throw stock TRD PRO shocks in the mix
I had them, they were way too soft. I got tons of sag and used my bump stops too much
@@joshuagray5094have you felt the stock TRD off-road blue and yellow Bilstein shocks I also feel like they are far too soft I was bottoming out doing 75 on the freeway hitting bumps Granite I was completely fully loaded still don't think that should be happening
@@yzrippin are you talking about the stock trd off road bilsteins or the 6112’s? I have the 6112’s
@@yzrippin I haven’t. But it def sounds too soft. Bump stops will help, so will stiffer springs or coils for the rear ebd
@@joshuagray5094 toataly stock 2019 trd off road 4x4.
Shock value was a GREAT series and very original. I really would look forward to that for mid-grade packages.
Check these ones: Eibach stage 1, Bilstein 5100, Bilstein 6112/5160, TRD Pro, Dobinsons, OME, Ironman.
Your next series should include Ironman 4x4, Old Man Emu, Dobinsons, and maybe something from Rough Country? Those are the brands I'd like to see. I think you guys were quite harsh on Fox, but fair. Great series. Thank you for all that information.
How could they be "harsh on Fox"? They didn't know what they were testing. They just gave their opinions about whatever mystery shock was on the vehicle
It would be awesome to see the Ironman 4x4 Foam Cell Pro shocks/leaf packs tested. They’re affordable, their design is pretty different to other brands, and I think it would be great to see their performance claims tested.
Love what you guys are doing
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I’ve seen so many Australian Toyota people run Ironman that I think it’s gonna be what I go with next. I have bilsteins currently and they are too rough for daily driving with no added weight
Great video! Ironman Pro Foam Cell
@@jonc7371 I got the foam fell pros with the heaviest front coils and leaf packs for my 3rd gen and don’t run any weight besides tools in the bed. Truck rides awesome. It feels a bit over sprung in the front without any weight there, but honestly it still feels way more comfortable than other buddies’ Fox shocks.
Plus I don’t run the sway bar anymore, and it helps keep the truck more planted with the stiffer spring weight in the front
I also would be curious to see the foam cell pros tested. I ordered them for my fj about 6 weeks ago but they've been on backorder. Hoping to get them soon. The wait is killing me.
The original series was awesome. Would definitely like to see the fox 2.0 vs icon stage 1/2 vs elka 2.0 vs bilstein 6112/5160 vs TRD pro fox. Personally eying the Elka 2.0s for my tacoma 👍
Love to see Dobinsons IMS tested. Love the series great work.
How about the ironman foam cell? I just got a set installed and would love to see if your opinion goes with mine. Great job. Loved the series and waiting to see more.
I have running foam cell shocks from Doetsch Tech for years. Simple affordable and never a blowout or fail. I also tried some Koni Raids on my last truck. Foam cell, rebuildable, and adjustable. Only thing is I had to import from Germany!
Eibach stage 2 pro kit!!!! Is a must
Loved the series, I think the comment translated as "I have an overinflated opinion of myself and disagree with what you said about one of the brands that I like"! 😆
Add that that the commenter was likely completely baked when typing up the comment, and it all then makes sense.
Much respect - stick to your guns. As much as your testing can be panned as anecdotal its the most controlled and scientific comparison I have ever found. Loving it.
Do a collab with @tinkerersadventure for the budget/mid testing! His engineering evaluation on the suspension measurements were really interesting and would only add to your blind-testing.
Bilstein 5100, Bilstein 6112, OME 2-3", Dobinsons, Eibach Pro-Truck Stage 1, Fox 2.0 Performance series.
Cool series keep it up, I have 5.5 years on my foxes with plenty of abuse and no issues. However I’m running 14” 650# and custom valving with an LT set up. Time is the true test of parts
I'd love to see you guys test Dobinsons suspension.
I have the Fox performance elites front and back on my Tacoma and they’ve been phenomenal. Being able to find tune them with the DSC’s on the fly is great. I got them from Accutune off-road and they do their own tuning on the shocks when you buy them based on your driving style and added weight.
I had a bilstein 6112/5160 setup before the Fox performance elites. I probably would say that the Foxs aren’t worth the extra ~5 grand but the performance is definitely massively better. Better compression and I bottom out about 90% less. I wish there was some rebound control as they can top out kind of hard, but not as bad as the bilsteins.
Awesome series. Definitely would like to see it done on some stuff that 95% of weekend warriors use. Like 6112/5160, Eibach 2.0’s, Dobinsons IMS just to name a few. These all seem very close in the price range. Thanks!
Yes agree
Ironman4x4 foam cell! Been on this for 20k miles and they've been much better than stock and have not had issues. Would love to see how they compete.
Great series guys! I love my 6112s and look forward to the mid budget test.
I'd love to see you guys include 4600s, 5100s, and 6112s.
So basically Fox's response amounts to: You tested our cheaper shocks. If you want better performance/ride, pay more for the top-of-the-line models.
I had those 2.5 Foxs waste of money. Fox customer service wanted to up sell me instead of re-tuning the ones I had.
Love what you guys are doing! It’s so good for the consumer to watch this before purchasing shocks.
If you guys could review the Iron Man Foam Cell Pro shocks that would be great! It would be interesting to see how they stack up
Loved the shock series. Looking forward to the next series😊
Just found your channel and man lots of good stuff here. Can't wait to see where you guys go next and test out future suspension systems
Would love to see you guys include Dobinsons in your next test. They make a great product in that mid range price point.
Lmao the last comment is a gem 🤣 keep up the good work! Next year bring stickers to KOH!
Please add the Dobinsons MRR & Ironman Foam Cell Pro to that list of shocks to test.
Please do the Dobinsons IMS!
love the straight, no BS, content of your channel ! So, in your opinion, when do you really believe that shocks should be replaced on vehicles that love to have fun, but aren't abused (not towing anything wicked heavy, rock crawling etc). Some of your reviewed product/upgrades are north of $2K.... I prefer to ware out my current equipment before just replacing stuff (I have a wife and she controls the checkbook if you get my drift). Keep up the great work....
Great info!! Looking forward to the next test!
So glad you guys did this. I would love to see the same test for the next gen Tacoma and Land Cruiser
Oh mannn.. I can’t wait. I have the 6112s on mine and would love to hear how it can be improved if it can. Awesome job at being so honest, that’s something really hard to come by now a days. Keep up the great work Overlandoutfitters!!!
Here to comment to help the channel, we need more shock series letssss gooooo
Dobinsons MRR and IMS! One is high end, one is mid. Throw 'em both in the next test.
The good thing about all of those shocks is that you can revalve them however you want them to ride
Would love to see some Dobinson IMS setups!
You guys are putting out excellent content - fun, informative, and entertaining. I've been saying for a while now, I much prefer side by side comparisons to help combat the bro science and old biases. The key whether it is tire pressure, type/size, suspension... and so on is to control for the variables so that the one thing you are trying to understand is isolated. It doesn't need to be painfully rigorous, just enough to show what a run at 10 psi vs. 15 vs. 20 or whatever does. I drive a full-size and jeep or taco guys will say I have to do X or Y or must never do Z... but they aren't accounting for the different load/vehicle or whatever.
For the budget suspension test, it’s probably mostly for folks who want suspension on their off road vehicle which is also their daily driver (like myself). So 95-98% on road but wanting good (not necessarily the best) performance off road when we go. I think that’d be good to keep in mind for the test. I like the options several comments already stated. Well done and looking forward to the next test!
coming soon!!!
Thanks for this series! Would love to see - 6112 vs icon stage 1!
I’d love for you to try out the Ironman Foam Cell Pro setup. It uses a non-pressurized shock, and downstream of that a lot of other differences, so I’m curious what the differences are.
I just bumped into your channel and you have great content! Easy choice to subscribe.
Great opinion piece and follow up. Looking forward to a budget review and maybe we could see something on the 4r/GX/FJs? May not be too different then a taco, but with the coil spring I'm sure there's something there.
Subscribed to both channels. Looking forward to the mid-range series! I have a stock f-150 FX4 and I’m debating between 6112-5160 and Fox 2.0s. I would sacrifice handling, to ensure it’s not too harsh.
Test Factory OEM Shocks, then slap on TRD Pro Shocks, next Bilstein 5100's, then Bilstein 6112's & 5160's, then Old Man EMU (soft valve), Eibach series, and lastly Rancho's or Pro Comps....please
I'm excited to see more testing!
Would love to see a video on the Rough Country. I have the Vertex set on my Tundra that I offroad with and as much as people trash them, I've had nothing but a solid experience. In a way I'm doing my own test as there is little information on them.
Really excited for these future vids
This was a great idea for a series. OME, and Eibach would fit well with the Bilstein 5100 and 6112
Great entertaining content! Please add the stock OEM trd pro shocks in the line up. Not sure if those shocks qualify as low or mid budget since OEM parts are always expensive. 🤷♂️ Can’t wait for the adjuster series as well.
I wanna see eibach stage 2r! It’s supposed to be the best 2.0 system you can buy for the taco right now!
That was a great review of those suspension setups. I would definitely be interested in seeing the same review done on the more entry level suspension products out there. I just bought a 23' TRD Sport and would like to know how something like the Elka 2.0/2.5 IFP's would differ from stock(Being Canadian myself, would like to stick with Canadian made if it's a quality product). I know you guys really focus more on the offroading/overlanding environments but I'm really looking for something that's more for on-road daily driver setup which your previous series did have some coverage. Keep up the good work! Cheers!
Please test the Ironman foam cell pros!
Bilstein, Old man Emu, Ironman 4x4 Foam cell, All dogs offroad Koni 82, Dobinson
ADS, RADFLO, SWAY AWAY shocks would be interesting to add
The Dobinson IMS would be great to see.
The DRYEST video on youtube. Dryer than the desert in their video.
I kept falling asleep!!
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Thank you for sharing.
Please test OME Nitro and Ironman 4x4 Nitro kits. I. Interested to see how the 6112s do.
Love the series. Would be interesting to see the new foxes, on another note you guys should really try out radflo and ads racing if and when you do a video on shocks with adjusters. Great series!
mid budget classic OME 2” with OME springs. loved the first series!
Excellent series! Hope to see the same with 5100's and type. 👍👍
Lake Havasu 🌞 Az
Solid series, another for the 6112!
Eibach pro stage 2 should be on the list.
Great series guys. I saw the previous video and it would be nice know which shocks perform well with car actually loaded weights. Most of us upgrade or lift the car so we can go places with heavy load of accessories.
Test the Terraflex Falcons as a budget set 👍🏻
TOYTEC! I’d love to see a test on their coilovers
I appreciate that the truck was stock level performance, but I really wish we would be more specific when we call something stock. Wheels and tires can have a huge impact of the performance of a vehicle. If you want to test stock, it's pretty critical that the wheels and tires represent that. It's fair to say that most customers will change those things before suspension, I totally agree, but that's just not stock anymore.
This was such a great series!!
Really need a similar one for the $1000 stuff (Fox 2.0, icon exp, 6112, eibach, dobinson, Ironman etc)!!!
Such good stuff!!
Also - FWIW, i ran fox factory series RR on a 5g 4Runner but revalved for much lower slow speed compression and was much happier. But TBH i thought my buddy's ICON 2.5s were better. I've been pretty open about it. My only wish is to see ICON soften up a bit and go progressive piston.i like it better on road with sway bars intact.
Can we see Eibach Pro truck coilovers with the rear bypass shocks for the mid level test?
I know a few front bypass coil overs, ADS, FOX, etc use Eibach springs.
Thank you so much of your honesty review, I learned so much and help me to make the good decision in the future, sorry Fox,Lol
Can't wait to see the mid level shock review. do the - 6112, IMS, Foam Cell, Toytec or Elka, MT-64, Icon's. Anthing bigger diameter with no Res.
Also like to see on the higher end or even mid level ADZ, Locked Offroad, Radflow, Apache, and maybe other lesser know shocks that offer similar entry to 2.5” shocks.
I'd add to your list some ToyTech's. No One is testing those out, can't find one recent video... maybe there's some kind of legal thing there but, it's curious... and I'm curious how they stack up...
Thanks for the awesome videos! Quality content!
I have the Fox 2.5 elite series dsc (adjustable). They are great for street and trail riding (NY). We don't have desert here. The company I bought them from shop that does a tune based on your usage. Adventure, Dual Sport, or Trail tune. Excellent so far.
Would like to see the entry level comparison as well, the usual 5100, 6112, OME, Dobinson, etc.
Trail boss for the win 🤘🏼 Know idea about that gentleman’s, comments so odd 😂😂
I can’t even translate that.
Keep doing what your doing it rocks. Love the no BS style of these vids
I enjoyed the series. Please test Falcon sport shocks and Eibach pro-truck stage 2r
6112s ride awesome (when they are fresh) I just replaced mine but had to buy an entire new kit $820 bc Bilstein DOES NOT SELL JUST the shocks... you gotta buy the collars and springs all over again when tbey blow out(they dont last a lifetime)
BC I had to vuy another kit I opted for the HD 6112 lart# for 4 runner w 650lb springs. They will give you 3" lift out of the box.. 600lb kit is 2.5-2.6" lift. 650s make no swaybar life easier to stomach also! Do the HD kit and dont look back.
Iron man 4x4 suspension
So many people hate on Rough Country shocks but I have a feeling most have never used them. I'd love to see some of them blind tested. Also, thinking about the OME medium duty kit so I'd like to see that one too. Maybe even add a cheap $150 spacer lift to the mix to see how bad or not bad it might be?
On the less expensive test I'd like to see Old Man Emu. I had Bilstein 5100s on my 1998 4Runner and didn't like them. Switched to OME and I'm satisfied. I'd love to see if there is an even better option at this price point.
Definitely need to test ToyTec Aluma Series 2.5 shocks as part of the next round!
Toyota TRD Pro with Westcott Designs Lift and Eibach 1.30" springs and Deaver rear springs!
Looking forward to watching the results of the Fox Performance Elite.
Please include the BP 51 OME for your next suspension related video. Keep up the good content. Hopefully next time I visit BC I can visit the shop
I would love to see the BP-51 by OME reviewed. Even if thrown in a more budget Roundup. You would hope they are by far the best.
"Budget" is subjective, what is considered budget? $800? 1500? Testing the Bilstein 6112 is the logical choice but the budget Bilstein shock would be 5100 series. For me I would be interested in Bilstein 6112, Icon stage 1, OME 90021/2888, Toytec Aluma, and being being well known in the classic car world I would like to see how Eibach stacks up. I agree with some of the other commenters; seeing how some of these "budget" setups compares to the factory TRD Pro Fox suspension. Thanks, this was a fun series!
I’m running the mid tier Rough Country M1 Monotubes, they are a MASSIVE upgrade over stock, and very affordable. I’d love to see you guys bring some light on a notoriously misjudged brand!
Could you guys test Ironman 4x4 cell foam pro?
Please consider including the Eibach Pro Truck 2.0 and the Ironman Pro Foam Cells
Gotta get some Dobinsons mid budget
Sounds like you should test the Fox 2.5 Pros to see the difference.
Damn I need that kind of expertise for the setup I want to achieve on my truck .
Yo Braeden,
I have the fox's and I do agree with what they said.
Imo, you don't see sxs's with kings or icons. You see them with fox for a reason. Hopefully, that applies to my tacoma.
Better than Bil 6112s.
i want to see the MRR DOBINSONS!
Toyota's Pro Fox shocks, Radflo and ADS
You should definitely try the old man emu bp51s. I think they’d be a huge competitor
You should use an impact recorder which will provide data to compare. Also the iPhone has an accelerometer that an app may provide you a tool to use to measure gforces.
About the comment on the finale. You guys failed the highest request considered. I’m upset at the magnitude replenishment of the shock factor and value. I submerged in your channel but previously disappointed and discouraged by the lack of discovery. Love you guys!!
Would love to see the Eibach stage 2/Stage 2R kit
Please do the shocks with adjusters video