Reaction to the Battle for the Factory | Stalingrad (1993)
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- Amateur Historian reacts and analyses [Step By Step] the German assault outside a factory during the battle of STALINGRAD. What did you think of my analysis? Did I miss anything?
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German infantry used a lot of light machine guns, but the troop on that scene wasn't an infantry company, it was a combat engineers one, for that reason they had a los of smgs and demolition equipment
It’s so sad this guy is talking Shit all the time like if he had even seen the whole movie he would know they where sturm pioniere but he didn’t
In the very begin of the movie they mention that the Sturm Pioneers are being drafted into a special company, so they were no longer the "Pioneers". They're supposed to be fit as assault troops, so History Legends is not wrong at all
@@maximilianob8321 Yes, but there are machine guns in the background, they have a bunch of submachine guns, they're just attached to this company but the camera focuses on them and not the rest. There's a lot of people there and the camera can't capture them all together. They are Sturm Pioneers because at the airport one of the officers recognizes Hans as Sturm Pioneer, so he is still and is marked as a pioneer. They are still a pioneer unit that has simply been attached to another unit. They still do what they were trained to do and Sturm Pioneers really had a lot of tasks imposed by OKH, they were not only pioneers but also stormtroopers, units to build fortifications, etc.
In reality they would have actually been issued more Light Machine guns then an Infantry Company.
Correct. In the 1942 Sturmpionierkompanien and its platoons it was actually the case that MPis, 3kg charges, mines and more hand- and riflegrenades took precedence over the LMGs (and also the anti-tank rifle). The individual Sturmtrupp consisted also of 13 instead of 10 soldiers. Of course the company had a heavy weapons section (4 mortars 81mm, 2 heavy machine guns) and a light infanterie gun section (75mm), but this sections logically remained in the background to support the attack. It was of course different with the 3 light flamethrower sections (1 per platoon), which, if necessary, moved together with the assault troops. Freedom of rapid movement and massed striking power at close range was the alpha and omega. And each company also had a motorized section of heavy assault boats, which were actually useful in Stalingrad for ferry operations across the Volga at night.....:)
Another point on the push and pull: my great-grandfather served as a German medic (Sanitäter) in the battle of Stalingrad.
After they had taken a fortified position he, according to his own record, had been in action for 2 days straight and hence just collapsed after attending to the wounded on a couch that had its back turned towards the door of the room. While he was passed out the Russians took the position back and shot all the wounded and medics in a hury, my grandpa wasn't visible from the doorway but since they just sprayed the entire room from it with bullets he got still hit in the leg which never healed until his death at age 94. However he was apparently so exhausted that he didn't get woken up by neither the sound of the gunshots nor by getting hit multiple times but only came back to his senses once the German army had retaken the position some hours later and a Sani was trying to stabilize him and tended to his wounds
Very interesting! This story deserves to be in my Veteran stories book 👀
What a bad ass story. When you mean he never recovered from the wounds in his leg, was it like chronic pain. I'm french and my great grand father lost his left leg at Verdun aged 19. He was left for dead on the no man's land and it's actually the German doctors and medics who saved him and amputated him. He also had sever ghost limb pain all his life. Do much so that he had a chronic stomach ulcer from the stress of the pain. My other great grand father who was younger was a early resistant (1941) he did some crazy things too, my grand mother, his daughter, had to go to school under a fake identity because the gestapo was after them. After the war he always refused to talk about it and said that Germany and France had to let their youth reconnect and trust and befriend each other's. So my respect and sympathy to you German fellows, may our people never get through this again!
If I had a nickel for every "my grandfather was in the Wehrmacht" comment is be richer than Musk.
@@drakashrakenburgproduction5369 the male population was drafted, millions of men, just like my great grand father being wounded in Verdun is nothing extraordinary. All french troops on the western front rotated to be at Verdun, a whole generation fought that battle. I'm glad people share those stories. It keeps their memory alive. Most of them were just young men who just wanted to live a peaceful life.
@@drakashrakenburgproduction5369 Chances were good to be drafted into the German army at some point in the war…
"Stalingrad (1993)" is one of the best WW2 war films ever made.
If not the best
definitely the best about Stalingrad
RIP Joseph Vilsmaier (Director)
That or downfall 2004 and come and see 1985
@St0rmyrocky Germany Bad!
This is one of my favorite movies.
Excellent movie. So underrated.
But the ending is just so depressing
@@geedbinye6087 That was the war for Germany
@@MrGecko-dm9kh yeah sadly
@Kira just like your brain
I would just like to point out a few things.
1. The use of accents, dialects and differences is tone is an extremely well done detail because it accurately showcases the different regional dialects present in German speaking countries. Few other movies have ever even attempted this let alone pulled it off.
2. The Soldiers wear the correct waffefarbe (Corps colors) for their units which is black to signify that they are in fact a Pionier unit. So many movies just give the German troops a white waffenfarbe where it makes no sense.
3. The German troops are portrayed correctly wearing different pieces of kit such as the correct ammunition pouches for the accommodating weapons. Many movies give every Soldier rifle pouches or worse they give the German troops no equipment on their belts at all. We also see the correct use of helmet covers here which is appreciated as they were heavily employed both shortly before and long after the battle of Stalingrad.
For me personal one of the best parts of the movie is the use of german dialects. Germany has a wide range of dialects and sub languages. Movies often only use standard german and to see an movie actually portrai the germans not as a copy past mass makes it all the better
Exactly! You can easily differentiate the accents and I love it!
Exactly. Same with Das Boot, actually.
as an east frisian i love hearing lower german(plattdeutsch) in both movies
You know American distributers were concerned that the ending was too bleak. They thought that perhaps it should of ended with the last 2 characters to escape encirclement eventually reaching their own lines.
The director gave them a history book detailing the battle and they soon changed their minds.
the ending was the right ending, lots of casualties, starvations, killed in action, frozen to death, executions, hangings, blown up, i mean giving a happy ending to the worst battlefield to have ever existed would be a shame to all those that lost their lives there, the ending we got was the most emotional one and makes you think
@@Burningwhisky96 it was bloody bleak. But it summed up what happened in Stalingrad well.
just gave them A history book lol
Ending is a great symbolism of 6 Army's fate. If this film ended in some way good that would destroy it's meaning and topic.
Classic European/American interaction lmao@@jamesgordon177
One of the best films about the OST Front & Stalingrad, what it did brilliantly was show how an assault company got bogged down by the terrain and house to house fighting.
Being a Brit who’s grandfather won the Military Medal for courage under fire with the Churchill Crocs he entered Europe on Day +3 and fought primarily against the SS and dug in Fortifications.
The Crocs fired early napalm and were specialists close assault tanks , if captured they would be executed.
His worst memory’s were burning alive the Hitler youth & 12th SS .
At 20 he felt he felt his was fighting against kids, a very brave man, but the war fucked him up.
He found it hard to reconcile what his unit did, even though when his tank was nearly knocked in lingen he took over radio command rescued his tank mates with a friend reentered the tank and fired a burst of napalm liquid and took 200 hundred prisoners he also liberated Belson.
Then came back to his family been killed a German bombing raid.
He never hated the Germans was a committed anti facist until his death,
He had the maturity to know the SS were forcing old men & children to fight in 1945.
My grandmother was W.R.A.F. and severed from the Battle of Britain until 1945 he brother was killed in Greece in 194o fighting a rearguard action against an SS unit, it took her 40 years to forgive.
As a German my Grandpa served in the Wehrmacht, and even fought in Stalingrad. He told me about that time, where they couldnt Trust any Civilian .. Even Woman because they had Female Soldiers aswell so called "Flintenweiber"
In the Cold Months they were starving, animals and Humans.. One Story he told me was about a Dead Horse He Found with his Komrades, it was was so Frozen that they had to Blow it up with Grenades to make to turn it later into soup.. So war is Everything but Nice.. i myself stood in his Foodsteps and was in Mali. And Know what he ment with that.
Btw Love your Content. Keep it up!
Krasse Geschichte! Danke fürs Dienes.
My Grandpa was one of the few Stalingrad survivors who returned 1955 from captivity. He never spoke about it to me cause I was too young. But I remember he was always freezing. The cold never left him. He also could barely walk because of severe frostbite in his legs.
@@YenLoWangx Yeah my Grandpa didnt talk either about this, He was also at the eastern Front, He was somewhere near moscow
The MOST underrated movie in existence.. before saving private Ryan was even thought of
much better than saving privet lien
I would be interested to know what you think of some battle scenes in Generation War or Downfall.
The man comes around
We tend to forget just how dangerous and effective the German Wehrmacht as an adversary truly was. This movie dose justice to what happened and how the Germans actually fought.
"We tend to forget"
I wonder how?? They bloody took over all of Europe and were uncontested masters until 1941!
This movie and Das Boot are actually two of the best movie out there, definetely in the top 5. Germans really know how to make war, real or not!😅
Really wish there were more german War Movies and the struggle they went through. This movie I watched when I was about 8 years old, really grim, but so good. Made me to the insane War Movie watcher I am today :’D
Tanks were pretty much useless in the streets of Stalingrad, because they got stuck in the debris and became easy target.
This is my all time favorite war movie. It's a masterpiece.
There aren’t enough WW2 films from the German or soviet perspective. Specifically the Soviet perspective, and I think this is because character development for Soviet soldiers would be difficult. This is a result of the unbelievable casualty figures of the red army. It would be worth a try though, and they should get all Russian actors that can speak Russian throughout.
There are a lot of WW2 movies from the Soviet prespective. However I don't know how many of them were translated.
There are a lot of them. My favorite is "the white Tiger". There is an English subbed version. I am no big fan of this Stalingrad movie. Bad story telling as in many German movies. The only really good German war movie stilll is "Das Boot".
@@u.z.9383 Downfall ??? Generation war ???
This Stalingrad movie is 100 times better than the Russian one
@@Der-Stahlhelm the russian one is just pure propaganda this one is a real masterpieces
Russia produces WWII films every month and has tv series glorifying the Soviet victory. Sadly most of these films are BS propaganda pieces that never mention the genocide that Stalin and his communist henchmen committed against their own people.
The field telephone line is a nice detail. We used very similar equipment when I was in the army in 1986-87. Back in WW2, radios had poor range and where prone to damage, so field telephones were the best way of communication with units in the rear.
Well I hope your channel will grow in the future like others history channel
Btw great reviews 👍
I hope so too! Means a lot thank you :)
history legends: well done... perfect
Joseph Vilsmaier: took you long enough to appreciate...
Probably one of the most brilliant reactions I ever seen. This Chanel got one of the fastest subscribes imaginable from me
Another good scene from this movie is the fight in winter against russian tanks in open field. Nonetheless, it's amazing and kind of lucky that they got so much right considering the budget they had. They got right the scale and most of equipment (the only equipment that is wrong are the smoke grenades (the most common smoke grenades looked like normal Stielhandgranate but with a white stripe to tell it apart from normal grenade) and possibly flamethrower (I don't remember how exactly it looked, but I would assume that WWII german flamethrowers are hard to come by for such a movie)). As far as the vehicles go, they got kind of lucky becuase they had cooperated with czechs on this movie (it's obvious even from the many actors being czech, for example the commander is played by czech). And czechs could easily provide T34s as well as OT-810, which is a czechoslovakian halftrack that's almost identical to german WWII halftrack, because they had an abundance of them as army surplus.
The smoke grenade isn't wrong, it is (or is supposed to represent) the Nebelkerze 39 or the Nebelhandgranate 41, which had a more traditional form than the "potato masher" Nebelhandgranate 39.
The flamethrower looks pretty decent, it might well be a very good replica of the Flammenwerfer 35.
And yes, they were very fortunate to get all that Czech equipment, with the small exception that the tanks are T34/85s, which only entered service after Stalingrad.
@@agp11001 I mean, it's at least T-34 (and possibly even T34 which actually saw some action in WWII, but that chance is slim). Meanwhile the OT-810 has a distinctly larger front and is clearly afterwar vehicle.
Amazing and always pleasant to listen
Means a lot!
Battle scenes in Cross of Iron are worthy of analysis
Love your channel. I must have watched this movie 10 or more times. One of the best.
After watching a couple os videos, it feels like you are ma buddy. You have cool communication skills and charisma! :) keep the good work while I binge-watch here :D I hope your channel grows exponentially.
Another fun little detail - one of the germans carries a soviet PPSH submachinegun. They used captured weapons quite a lot, especially SVT, semiauto rifle (germans lacked mass produced semiauto rifles of their own) and PPSH which they valued for high firerate and large capacity magazine. Saw photos of both from the time. And some soviets were armed with lend lease Thompsons, imagine a firefight like that.
Lots of minute observations worth contemplating. Enlightening points to remember.
Been following you for a good while now , congrats ,
in case You haven't done it already , the massively accurate serie on Stalingrad ..... TIK Battlestorm Stalingrad ,that's the definite history of the battle
( twenty 40 minutes videos before getting to the city assault proper , thirty three for the battle to the surrender )
That series is insane!
apparently one factory had over 20,000 soldiers killed in total in the efforts to take it
There were 400 trying to take the factory. Iirc one of the characters rollo said 60 only survived
If this would be an audio only video I would of imagined he was commenting on a piece of art 😂
hehehe
Wonderful work as always. So interesting!
Thank you! Appreciate it :)
Wonderful analysis
I'm glad this movie was such a pleasant and realistic experience! You should do some Vietnam War movies next! I suggest platoon and full metal jacket! Apocalypse now is another awesome option but I don't know if I'd call that one a war movie, it still counts as one though!
Sometimes works of fiction portray war better than actual historical war movies.
@@historylegends True
@@historylegends Please also do a video about the movie Hamburger Hill
Siege of fire base Gloria
one of the best war films ever created!!!
Also like to point out the scene here the guy freaks out and the other takes half of his dog tags. Well if you look at his left sleeve (the guy who takes the tags) he has 2 chevrons and a stud. This means he’s actually he administrative corporal of the unit (the company mother, as they where usually called) their job was (amongst many other things) to keep track on the units casualties. So if there was one person who would take the guys dog tags it would be him.
Another little thing you probably didn’t notice.
love your content
Good job,nice breakdown.
It's a great movie. But the Russians make the best. "Come and See", an absolute pearl (available here on YT); Rzhev, an in-your-face, up close portrayal of war's brutality. Pantilov's 28, are all fantastic. There are many more. A personal favorite is Zvezhda (also on YT), which is apparently a true story. In any event, watch Come and See, probable one of my top 5 / top 3 war movies ever. Beware, though, it's a tough watch.
One of the best movies I’ve ever seen!
you deserve way more subs my man
maybe it was just a lucky throw, but Daniel Ken Inouye's grenade throw at a german bunker after prying the grenade out of his dismembered arm made my jaw drop
ooooooo what that
Great Show, and a great Movie, too. Peaceful greetings from Germany
This movie will definitely go onto my to watch list.
im watching it right now and wondering how the hell did i not watch this years ago?? im 27 btw and love german ww2 movies.
i love your book history legends just finished reading it
I love this movie. As always very good reaction.
I see this moovie two time in the same week in 1993 such it was a really new in his way to saw this battle, a really new experience and so realistic
Just watched this last night, really didn't even plan to dit through it. Now its scarred forever into my mind. The best film ive ever seen.
Very good movy. You could have noted that we see some T-34/85 which would only be fielded in spring of 44 but still a great movy!
It's a forgivable error though, they're probably aren't many working 1941/1942 T-34 variants around, even in the early '90s. Ditto Stugs.
Something to point out in the movie is that it is based off of Pionier Battallion 336 1st Kompanie.
Facts about the unit.
1st Kompanie was lead by Oberleutnant Karl-Hienz Hullen. In the movie it is lead by Hauptmann Musk who was already prior in Stalingrad and put in charge of a new company because the prior company commander was wounded. This never happened to Pi. Btl 336.
Pi. Btl 336 was never stationed in North Africa like in the movie. All of the 8 engineer battalions that where sent to Stalingrad where pulled from infantry and panzer divisions that where already fighting since the beginning of operation fall blau.
Finally Pi. Btl 336 never fought in a factory. They where stationed east of the Barrikady Gun Factory to secure the housing settlement 8 days after the factory was cleared.
Overall still a good movie even for its inaccuracy’s and recommend to watch it.
This is one of my favorite movies after "Kelly's Heroes" (1970) of course!
My friend Alfred Habsburg was in the factory. He was on the right side (German).
Later in the movie they show a battle with infantry vs like 10-12 tanks so I think they had the budget to show STUGs but wanted to emphasize that the infantry platoons at Stalingrad were often left without adequate support or their requests were denied because the armor was needed elsewhere or was in repair/not battle ready.
Reminder that this is just one battle in Stalingrad. Crazy.
Stalingrad is a really good movie. Probably one of my favorite movies. And definitely one of the best movies from the German perspective. (Das boot does take the cake for me though) the amount of detail in this movie is insane
Great movie. Did you see Sam Peckinpah's 1977 WW2 classic "Cross of Iron"?
One of the best warmovies ever made.
Hello, I really like your analyzes and they are very interesting, so I would like to know if you plan to do analyzes of the battles in the movie "1944".
This was a so good portrayal
It probably helped that ever actor in the movie had at least one year of military training under his belt.
thx for being the video that I watched while I ate dinner. Much appreciated.
German tanks couldnt make it through all the rubble on the streets in stalingrad, so infantry eventually had to go in on thier own. So it was accurate
I also loved that the one guy is speaking in Hessian accent. One of my favorite movies.
Ofc they recreated this realisticaly how it was in stalingrad and everywhere in ww2. They wrote directly the movie from first hand sources and soliders who were there around Stalingrad or on eastern front. Most of these soldiers in the movie are germans who had father or grandfathe actively fighting on eastern front during the war.
Albert Kahn Associates learned from the partnership as well. “They wouldn’t have gone to the Soviet Union and brought nothing back from an undertaking of such unprecedented speed and size,” Zimmerman says. “They learned about that from working with the Soviets.”
This experience foreshadowed and prepared the firm for the glut of work they would undertake for the U.S. military during World War II.
Is it too bold to claim that without Albert Kahn, the Allies wouldn’t have won World War II? Yes. But his contributions, cultivated through his work with the USSR, were critical in helping both countries achieve unprecedented military-industrial capacities.
Could you go over the winter tank t34 battle from this video? Really like your analysis
A neat detail/mistake (sort of) spotted at 1:44- you can see the blank fire adapter in the barrel of his MP40. These are used to close the barrel, forcing the weapon to cycle as if it were firing live ammunition.
One of my favorite movies of all time
I love your analysis of the battle. Seems very realistic until the German with the grenade was killed. I thought that more suppressive fire should have been going on while he advanced. He knew it was a suicide mission, but I found myself rooting for his survival anyway.
For me it is a point. You see it seems like a heroic scene, but this is opposite of it and I personaly love it. It laughs in front of these Hollywood productions like Fury and others.
Love this movie
J’aime beaucoup tes analyses. Beau travail. En passant, tu parles allemand? Toute les qualité 😁
Vielleicht ;)
Very pleasant to hear 👍 from France 🇨🇵🐸🇲🇫
I have this movie on DVD, it gives me a good and realistic picture of how they were fighting back then.
My favourite movie of all time.
What do you think about the whole movie?
Example the fight inside the factory, or the anti-tank battle, or the general development of characters and their moral decay?
I would be very interested about your reaction.
Will cover the fight inside the factory and the winter battle scene for sure. As for the character analysis I will see.
Great video with excellent analysis. Are you ex military yourself?
The depicted Unit is not a Line Rifle Company but a "Sturmpionier" Company (combat engineers) wich were not as well equipped with AT Guns and Squag MGs, AT Rifles and 8cm Mortars etc but in exchange for that they had alot more flamethrowers, mines, satchelcharges etc, to breach enemy positions on close range.
The Sturmpionier Companies were just formed for the combat in stalingrad at that point in time.
They should have had support of 1 1/2 Batteries of Assault Guns, but they got stuck in the rubble of the city.
Also the Germans used them more of assault infantrymen, not the traditional combat engineer, keep note of that. They also were given river crossing vessels.
@@msbhicks8358 the river crossing and bridging equipment was with the regular engineers/Pioniere
@@zhufortheimpaler4041 no all engineers did the same thing
All German engineer squads had an mg it’s just there was 15 men in a engineer squad.
@@theprodigy6713 no matter the unit (unless if it’s Volksgrenadiers), there was at least one MG per squad
One of my favorite movies
This movie is so accurate, it' s frightening
Un des meilleurs films de guerre ever. Je l'ai réécouté sur les champignons magiques, c'était tout un expérience! Surtout la scène dans les égouts. C'était comme s'ils étaient dans les entrailles de l'enfer. L'atmosphère dans ce film est juste au top de son genre. Et la fin! 10/10 ce film.
Great explanation, were you planning on covering some more scenes from this movie? There is a bit more fighting right after you ended and then is the night-time fighting.
Nice video
This film is absolute nightmare material. One of the very best in its genre in my opinion. A small point of critique would be that there is a little too much emphasis on the suffering of the regular German troops at the hands of their higher ranking officers. In reality German commanders were mostly trying to care for their men as best as possible. I found the part with the evil logistics officer who kept a whole warehouse of food and drink for himself while the men were starving a bit over the top, but those are minor flaws in an otherwise excellent film.
Great movie. Amazing.
pretty good book called Island of Fire about Stalingrad.
Sorry if i might ask, but why do you speak german so well? did you learn it in school or did you learn it by yourself? good video btw. keep on the good work! :)
The books about Stalingrad from Germans veterans are amazing
The books published by THE LEAPING HORSEMEN on Stalingrad are absolutely in-depth and a must if Stalingrad is your thing.
The MP40s depicted were either props or .22lr versions, their 9mm muzzles are tiny and smaller than the 7.62 ones of the PPSh :-)
I dont know if you were completly right about the weapon part. This film follows an assault pioneer battalion if you search on Wikipedia for "Unternehmen Hubertus" you can see that they were used as specilists in close combat fight and urban warfare since the germans failed to wipe out the last resistance of the russians in Stalingrad. And Wikipedia says "Die Bewaffnung bestand in der Regel aus Flammenwerfern, Maschinenpistolen und Sprengladungen." Which translates to " The armament usually consisted of flamethrowers, submachine guns and explosive charges." Just as a quick info for you :)
Their were used to move quickly from building to building wiping out enemy positions. So i dont know about mortas, but you might be right about the light machine gun part.
1 MG34/42 per squad, 1 Flamethrower per squad, 2 SMG, 5 rifles, multiple satchel charges etc.
no AT gun, Mortar or AT Rifle sections in the company. heavy fire support is provided by assault gun batteries (wich got stuck in traffic/rubble)
The movie portrays pioneer battalion 336 which was never stationed in Italy or North Africa like the movie portrays so they didn’t get that right in the movie. Still good though. Also they never fought in a factory.
@@zhufortheimpaler4041 that’s not how they where structured in when it came to flamethrowers and mortars and anti tank rifles where platoon based not company
I like that it makes the germans look like humans and not careless child eating monsters like everyone loves to portrait them
One of the best war films
Man , I bought this at a wargame convention in like ‘96 only belle and blade had it
Generation war would be a good thing to review
I wanted to do the battle for the factory
The german unit in the movie was the Sturmpioniere.
please react to unkown soldier it is such a good and accurate movie
I remember watching this movie around 20 years ago. The feel was very different than American style Hollywood movies. It felt more like reconciliation between the 2 belligerents after they brutalised each other, rather than hatred, after a war that should never have taken place.
One small thing about your video is that the company portrayed in this movie is a combat engineer company. (And they behave like one too in this scene, which is brilliant) Were they usually equipped with machine guns??
My big beef- like virtually every war movie out there, people getting shot do this spasmodic jerking thing. Not real. People seriously hit just fall down! Of course that isn’t as dramatic, but reality is really much more chilling. Check out some documentary footage and you’ll see what I mean
Yes very true 👀
Was watching a WW2 documentary that showed an MG42 team open fire on some Soviet soldiers in Berlin I think it was. The range was probably about 20 metres. The Soviet soldier hit fell over right through a window.