The Wagner Family
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- Directed by Tony Palmer for Melvyn Bragg's South Bank Show in 2009, this documentary examines the lives of Richard Wagner's immediate family and descendants. It's a complex tale of lies, deception and political intrigue featuring family members Cosima, Siegfried, Winifred, Wieland, Wolfgang, Gottfried and more. Herr Hitler also makes an appearance from time to time.
This is their culture .I was in Austria for an Octoberfestval while serving in Bosnia in 97. They had a massive bonnfire and all the women were dressed in traditional clothing as were the men. It was pure and good. No BS what so ever. Great food and beer and friendship.
Hard to understand how Gutman was allowed to spread his misconceptions in this film. He is rightly debunked by nearly every Wagner scholar today. His opening sentence - "Parsifal is about racial purity" is pure fiction. Parsifal is about redemption. It is a story for all of us. Innocence, temptation, suffering, enlightenment, redemption.
I don't think that is what he is getting at. I think Parsifal seen through the eyes of Hitler was nothing to do about redemption but everything to do with racial purity. Its the way the Nazis used Wagner's music.
Yes, quite so. I was reacting to Gutman's words, not the Nazis. Gutman's writings say what he has repeated in this film. Wagner's intent was not racial purity, but redemption. In this, I am certain most scholars of Wagner's operas would agree.
Kevin Maher ALL of you racists need to stop projecting your own bigotry on the man's music... ASSHOLES.
Samuel Parker “How dare you not accept my contrived view of history based on extremely circumstantial evidence and selective reasoning? Clearly you must be a Neo-Nazi because you think that there is more to Parsifal than hateful bigotry!”
That’s what you sound like, an obnoxious child who cannot accept that maybe, just maybe, there might be a little more in the art Wagner spent decades working on (which never once actually mentions race in the plot, just for your information) than what you derive with your contrived worldview. Clearly anyone that disagrees with you must be a hateful bigot who wants to see Jews gassed by the millions, or you might just be a sanctimonious ass.
If Wagner had written Hänsel und Gretl, Robert Gutmann would probably claim that the witch was Jewish.
A lot of the ‘proof’ (letters from Wagner) for the Parsifal claims in his Wagner biography has been completely rejected because it doesn’t fit the chronology of events (while he is supposed to be a renowned historian)
Went to see Parsifal when I had just turned 16. Went back a week later. For the past 46 years this opera has never ceased to fascinate me. I own every single performance on record of it. It's now part of my life and I just couldn't imagine not listening to this music. I must confess I am not in favour of over-emphasising the Christian aspects of the opera (remember that Jesus never gets mentioned). Gutman went perhaps too far, but one must remember that Cosima's diaries had recently been published, and they shed light on Wagner's dependance on Gobineau's writings. It cannot be ruled out that the text has many references to blood purity. However... however, the music is something from another world.
Wagner was aiming to provide something Christian-like, but not traditional Christianity. He was under the heavy influence of Schopenhauer's quasi-Buddhistic philosophy.
Wagner was apparently interested in Buddhism but he read Schopenhauer and Nietzsche. Thomas Mann and Bruno Walter liked Wagner but they looked at the art not the politics.
Wagner has some ‘good tunes’, but most of it is boringly long, pagan and suspect.
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Our worship of the famous is, often, inappropriate. The God given gift of art and talent, sadly, is often perverted to evil.
Linda Hedman, what a perceptive comment- it is right on the nose. People assume so many ridiculous things about famous people, as if they NEED for them to be their heroes. Consider how many actors are thought to be perfect as politicians. Fame does NOT mean a person has Brains, but pretentious types are believed if they are well known.
@Rescuepetsrule Yeah but what if the audience really does need the artists work to uplift their spirits from the depths of despair? What if the artist does actually save people? Is that not the very definition of a hero? I agree that blindly worshipping famous people is, as put by Linda, 'often inappropriate'. That said, music in particular does have the power to heal people and save their lives - sometimes by ending wars! - look at Bob Marley or Edwinn Starr, revolts led by Stravinsky, among many others. It can start wars too, argubly as we see here, but, anyway, I just have experienced another side to this, so I had to express it. I hope someone can relate to my opinion.
@Linda Hedman The second half of your statement is a bit pessimistic, but for the most part, I agree with you.
There’s two sides to every story and somewhere in the middle the truth comes out. But from watching this I now know why recent Bayreuth stagings and productions in recent years have been so incredibly awful.
Ugh I hate when people say that - it’s so uncritical - do you feel Hitler was also misrepresented? Some people just fail as humans
@@Engelhafen But not as bullies.
@@Engelhafen so true, nothing acceptable bout antisemitism
@@Engelhafen even you have prejudices. Must we only remember your bad side?
There are two sides to Nazism?
Wagner after the Dresden uprising, avoiding arrest, and went to Weimar, to Liszt. Liszt forged a fake passport, lent him money and sent him on his way to Switzerland. Wagner was banned in Germany for 12 years. Liszt kept his music alive....conducting all his operas. Liszt finally through the King of Saxony, received a pardon and Wagner was allowed to return to Germany.
Whatever you may think about the interpretation of Parsifal, the family is certainly dysfunctional. It strikes me that the internecine feud is almost a parody of the Ring cycle. Those who grasp the festival must foreswear love. Wolfgang seems like Alberich incarnate: he grabs Wahnfried and the festival, then subjugates the rest of the Nibelungs. Maybe the Ring cycle should be considered in the realm of prophecy.
Fuck all these racist ideology... I enjoy classical music, including Wagner's compositions, I appreciate a persons artistic talent, I don't care to learn about their political preferences and social views. We all have the right to our own opinions.
Erwin Sanchez Do you know why they were expelled? They were expelled from over 100 kingdoms/ Countries for exploiting they people around them(non Jews), and committing many crimes. They committed many atrocities everywhere they went, to there host country, and the people around them. You know nothing! It's obvious in your ignorant statement. Spain? Jews fought against Spain(Castile, Aragon, leon, Asturias), with the Muslims. This crusade went on for 781 years. This was the longest crusade. Before the Muslim invasion in 711, Jews have been problematic with everyone since they arrived with the Romans. Why is it that there were many different groups in the Ibierian peninsula, Celts, Iberians, Goths, Suevi, Vandals, but the ones that were the most problematic for everyone were the Jews.
You have to understand their believes, and you will see why they would do what they do. Come into a society, exploit the people any way they could, and not obey any laws.
You mentioned Spain, and England. They were treated very well in both countries before they were expelled. In Spain, they were given special privileges by many different crowns, but always used them, and betrayed them. The final straw was the taking back of Granada in Jan. 1492. There wasn't one free Christian in the city, just Christian (Spaniards) in chains, slaves. They were freed right away, and the chains were sent to Toledo to be hung from a cathedral as a reminder.This myth of a golden age, where Christians, Muslims, and Jews lived happily together is a lie, thats been debunked by many Scholars.
I've been to Spain, and have seen Fresca's painted at the time in the 1400's, and they show groups of Jews riding with the star of David with Muslims, attacking Christians during battles. I've also seen the chains hanging from the cathedral in Toledo, and it's an eerie sight. 500+ year old rusty chains hanging from a beautiful Cathedral. When the muslims invaded Spain in 711, Jews helped them. They even opend the gates of Cordoba, and other cities, and let them in. This is well documented.
So with the marriage of Queen Isabella, and King Ferdinand, Castile, and Aragon untied(Today what we know as Spain, more or less), and finally taking back their land, they made some changes. You had to convert, or leave. The Jews, and Muslims were enemies of the Kingdom. They have been for centuries. But they were given a chance. The Jews were given a chance. They did this with influence by the Catholic church, for unity. They wanted their kingdom to be united. And there were other reasons. In eastern Europe at this time, they were under constant attack by the the Turks, Muslims.
By the way, look how Spain flourished in just that first century. And in England Jews were also treated very well, given special privileges by the crown. They collected taxs for the crown, and had their usual businesses on the side, money lending, slavery, alcohol, etx. But they again exploited the people any way they could. One big issue was that as they were collecting tax, they were chipping the coins, and smelting them. This effected the economy. They were warned, but still did it again. For this, and many other crimes, they were expelled from England.
See, what you hear is nonsense. Do research on the subject. They have been expelled from over 100 kingdoms for good reason. They play the victim, and claim they nwere discriminated against, but this is complete nonsense. In many kingdoms in Europe they were treated very well, given special privilege, and did very well financially, but still had NO respect for their kingdom, and committed many atrocities against their host country, until finally being expelled.
‘Political preferences and social views’ are what makes up a person’s thinking, so it cannot be just separated from a composers output. Everybody has the right to their own view of Wagner, but for myself, his operas are too long, pagan and boring. Much of his other music is just all blast and bombast, I am not surprised that Hitler loved it!
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Strange isn’t it that a ‘moron’ like me enjoys many other operas and has a vast collection of other classical music and goes to symphonic concerts etc. I really must polish up my ‘moronicness’ and do more!
Anyone else confused?
And what does ANY of this, have to do with the music?
[I am glad, having read the comments below, that there are clear minded people who transcend such disgusting gossip-mongering]
It’s not a documentary about Richard or his music, but about his descendants. The first 10 minutes (absurd claims about the meaning of Parsifal and Wagner’s vision) should be cut from the documentary.
It is sad to behold Gottfried's self-flagellation.
+JP VOGEL Knitting yourself a hair-shirt made of historical lies seems to be the national hobby in Germany. It's undoubtedly also very good for your career. You're right, it's sad, and kind of off-putting tbh.
And what about Nathaniel Hawthorne? I think Mr. Vogel protests too much.
Germans are such a loving people
they have loved so many to death
@@francismotherway2090 you Americans too
we are. but not to people like you, who generalize and judge a whole nation for the past. ever read the book of joshua? iam sure you think about jews the same way. however, karma will get you for the way you are...
@@francismotherway2090 please . Do not generalize . And do not blame a nation for the actions of a few mad men . Those men live among every nation .
German best
They will be forgiven if they stop the awful regitheater .I wont go even if I get a free ticket.
Tony Palmer had a bizarre love/hate relationship with Wagner, as witness his huge mini-series biography film starring Richard Burton which said virtually nothing about the composer’s unapologetic anti-Semitism. There’s the clearest evidence, however, this grotesque twaddle about Parsifal is utter nonsense. If Wagner had intended it as any such thing, he wouldn’t have been shy about shouting that to the roof tops, exactly as he wasn’t shy about reissuing his infamous Judaism in Music essay. But he never said a word about any such thing, and this program’s hysterical gymnastics are purely irrational. Yes, anti-Semitism is repulsive, and yes Wagner was guilty of it in his personal views. But it never infected his art. Never. Any attempt to say otherwise is pure agitprop.
@Sam Houston People who claim there's the least hint of anti-Semitism in Wagner's music dramas. I've never yet seen a credible argument for it.
Anti-Semitism IS agitation and propaganda in motion with the brake lines cut, but then so is all racism.
Surely by now, after all this time, very educated people have been able to closely study the libretto and the inferences in Parsifal so as to show definitively one way or the other whether this particular " stage consecrated festival drama " can accurately be described as anti-semitic .
@@zandor5657 They have. And it cannot. Simple as that. But I guess that doesn't get tv ratings...
The Wagner family appears to be Germany''s House of Atreus. All that was good in Richard Wagner went into his music dramas which are central to the whole of European culture. All that was evil went into the rest of his life and the life of his family up to the present day. And it goes on , like the curse of Allberich.
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Wagner _had_ no good in him. I know this from what he wrote and what he did. And anything flowing from the mind of a vile megalomaniac is inherently vile….read everything he wrote about Jewish people and see for yourself what he was. But you won’t. Wagner’s worshippers will never, EVER investigate the monster, and will always defend him and avert their eyes from his clearly defined antisocial and hugely narcissistic personality….they are blinded perhaps by their own issues, and their need to believe what they hear and refuse to look at that horrible behavior. Just remember that love and hate are verbs, *action words,* and that mentally stable people ignore the words of people when those words do not correspond to _what they do and say._ it is what people _DO and SAY and WRITE_ which reveals their true inner selves, _not anything they create, including their image._
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I visited Wahnfried some years ago. I heard his gravestone is somewhere out in the back garden area. It's a large spacious park actually. I walked and walked around but could not find it. I finally returned to the villa, I was standing out back on a stone platform, and I looked down, and right there below my feet was his grave.
It starts out as an interesting look at the Wagners connection to the Nazis, then turns into a tabloid like family gossip fest. So how is the absurd plot of Parsifal about racial purity?
Wow...idk how to feel about this.....
Fascinating!
It is untrue that Wagner intended Parsifal to promote Aryan "racial purity". In fact he argued all night with the racist Gobineau against this very claim, stating that it was about Christian redemption. The argument was diarised by Cosima the next day.
There is not a single word mentioned in any of Wagner's music drama about racial purity. Sensationalist demonize the great master by linking him to Adolf Hitler.
Yes. Parsifal is Christian-like, without being traditionally Christian, as Nietzsche said.
Correct! Thank you.
THE RICH WRITE HISTORY! ........SAD HOWEVER TRUE!
Richard Wagner was never rich, always deep in depts and dependant from patrons like Ludwig II
The crown of lies... Wagner's work and his legacy is much worse than it sounds.
The "Family Monster"!
The most beautiful music in the world.
R. Wagner ich liebe dich! For ever. Lass die Leute schwätze was se wolle
Miguel J. Ledesma Fuck That Nazi fuck
@@Revoluxhumanista19 this year is a yu
In seinen Schriften und Denken war er ein ganz schlimmer Judenhasser (Cosima noch mehr). Aber in seinen Opern ist davon nichts zu spüren.
Wagner was right in is essay. What began with Meyerbeer ended in Cardi B🤡
What on earth? Absolute insanity.
@@TVDandTrueBlood the insanity is what now passes for ‘music’.
If Parsifal's Music doesn't move you, nothing will. This said. I read long ago (college days), Nietzsche didn't think as highly of Parsifal as he did about The Ring or Tristan.
Nietzsche didn't go to see Parsifal as he had a falling out with Wagner due to Wagner talking with Nietzsches physician behind his back and (presumably) making some insinuations on Nietzsche's sexuality. However Nietzsche did hear the overture and felt very touched by it. I read that he did send his sister to see it though and had her tell him all about it.
unforgivable? Ask 1 with a strangulating mortgage!
I always was under the impression that Wagner was a musician when Beethoven was alive???
+Joshua Lifetree He was. Beethoven died when Wagner was about 15 I think.
Wagner was born in 1813. Beethoven died in 1827.
Gottfried looks just like Richard.
❤ Richard Wagner Masterful 🎶 Music
Dr. Robert Greenberg did an interesting program on Wagner on DVD.
If Wagner had stuck to writing only music rather than pamphlets also, he would at least still have the presence of Caesar Frank, who shared his odious views but did not make a big issue of it in written words ...
Given Wagner's political extremism and the place of his music within his ideology -well the music is beautiful but at the same time ugly - does that make any sense? Can something be beautiful and ugly at the same time - in this case I think so. If we could wipe away the political - what would we have ? - apart from an angry artist who's music has beautiful moments - but a bit bombastic and lacking humanity . I have taken Anna Russell's advice and just attended the last of the ring cycle - they repeat the whole story line.
@@francismotherway2090 There is so much bullshit in your comment
Such ignorance about the true meaning of Parsifal. Sounds like today''s PC maniacs.
Well said!. Debussy, anti -wagnerian, wrote about Parsifal: "One of the most beautiful edifices on sound ever raised to the glory of music"
Parsifal is a masterpiece.
As an Israeli Wagnerian, I can say that even though "Parsifal" has racial and anti-Semitic undertones, to say that it "has nothing to do with Christianity" is one of the most bluffed lies I've ever heard of. I truly hope that Robert Gutman truly love Wagner's music and that he simply didn't express that, because otherwise I don't understand why he became a Wagner scholar
@@michaweinst3774 Well Wagner was a well-known anti-semite....but it should not diminish the quality of the work. The overture is truly phenomenal....
@@Truthseeker1515 Trust me, I know quite a lot of Parsifal. In fact I'm listening to it right now, and yes, the music is wonderful. Can't believe the prelude takes such a long time, it doesn't really feel like that.
Franz Liszt would have been appalled by all this. Cosima was quite a challenge and a handful for Franz.
He died at the Bayreuth Festival in 1886 and his final days were awful. They wanted to prevent it from overshadowing the Festival.
But wasn't Parsifal denounced by the Nazis?
Tony Palmer is full of hate
Weiland was the genius. Wolfgang was a "plodder".
It’s weird that none of the kids became a musician.🤷♀️
Never let CZcams subtitle ure video plz
Hitler knew who his kin was which is why the lotus project, yes they was related.
There were never any geniuses in Wagner family after the great man, but two talented figures ( Siegfried and Wieland ). Since then unworthy people have been running the festival. Worse now than before.
Of course, people should not blame Wagner for the fact that the Nazis appropriated his music [as opposed to his writing in words] and so made his reputation either worse or better according to political taste ...
I suspect post 1945 Wagnerites.
GB Shaw may be forgiven because he admired the music, but not the pamphlets ...
Wagner's music and texts have many interpretations, starting with the man himself.
... I have been watching the BBC decline over the past 5 - 10 years...
This is ITV not BBC
Rufino not more than Your nazi Germany ;)
@@MsCValentiner
Same shit.
Haha so true, so true. It really has bit the dust. You cant please everybody.
Go to hell- or make your own documentaries. Losers. 🌬🎬
Greatest composer of the 19th century? Really?
A little presumptuous, pace Beethoven, Brahms, Schubert, Chopin, Schumann, Verdi.
are ou serious? realy? its a matter of taste, not of arguing.
Nobody loves Schubert's and Schumann's music more than I. But as composers, they were not Wagner's equals. Nor were Brahms, Chopin and Verdi. Beethoven, yes, probably.
Kriegsmarine and Royal Air Forces
Schnellboot-100/38 Torpedo Boat Crewman and Sailor,Hawker Hurricane Pilot has my friendship
They are all Wagner Mania
Wow, what a mess
Victors write history.
Hey Guys, think Wagner was obsessed by the German Myth of Nibelungen in Tradition. He was very important to the German king Ludwig II. , called The fairy tale king, past the romantic periode of culture. Hitler either loved Caspar David Friedrich. For Hitler an recurse to the ideom they present for national.
Cosima Wagner was heiress of the great Wagner family. They toubled in times in the beginning 20. century, and were sponsored by the Nazi ideology.
So tell what ever, Richard Wagner was somehow far out the scene he served. He lost the reign of German tradition of poet and thinker to some other. Thats the very point of the critics to that piece of culture represention. That's even the Nazi ideology, which refer to Epic Relation, thats doesnt hold to the reality.
His Majesty, King Ludwig, put Bavaria on the map PERMANENTLY, having had much help with the task, compliments of R.W.
Criminal energy seems to run in the family ...
Quiet interesting documentary, thank you for sharing 🙏
Extremely nuanced and emphatic translations here, why?
Oh yeah, Dick Wagner, I knew him.
LOL! Me too, but I hate to brag... :)
Me too!
He was a closeup magician at the Hollywood
Magic Castle and, a boyhood friend! He's good!
I'd like to examine Katharina's arpeggios in my room.
It's all true. But that doesn't mean that Wagner's music dramas are diminished at all. He wasn't a nice person, nor his offsprings. Bt listen to Tristan, or Lohengrin, or Meistersinger and the music says it all. The black mass in Parsifal? I hope so! LOL
LOL
I KNOW THAT FAMILY SHES A FRIEND OF MY MOM HE DIED THIS YEAR IN 2022 BUT HIS OTHER FAMILY STILL LIVES IN BOSTON SOMEWERE IDK
This superb documentary is about Bayreuth and the Wagner family,,,not about Guimans view of Parsifal, I too disagree wuth Gutmans interpretation,,,but its not the central issue,Thomas Mann wrote about ,,,the fetid stench of Bayreuth, Bayreuth should be demolished and the site plowed, Wagner can be performed elsewhere
Mann hated the personality cult and barely-concealed family dysfunction.
Like many families all around the World…
Wagner, for his greatness and great flaws, belongs to the ages. I am indeed interested in Wagner the man because that man created some of the most important artistic masterpieces in human history. I am not particularly interested in the crackpot theories of one prodigal great grandson. If I were related to Wagner I would be proud of that connection. Friedelind Wagner asserted that her grandfather would not have sided with Hitler. Perhaps she was correct. The truth is that Hitler came to power 50 years after Wagner's death and we will never really know one way or the other. The antisemitism of Wagner, Cosima, Liszt, and many other 19th century Europeans seems hideous to us now, but was quite commonplace then. Was Richard Wagner capable of sending millions of innocent people to their deaths in concentration camps? I doubt it. That seems inconsistent with the man whose letters, autobiography, and essays I have read many times. I am quite comfortable with my love of Wagner's music and my interest in the man himself.
Liszt wasn't antisemitic. Like Nietzsche, he found Wagner's weird obsessions, well, weird. He recognized Wagner's musical and artistic genius.
Wagner would have supported Hitler because Hitler suppported Wagner.
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What do you make of this quote then??
@@michaelharrington7656 Ah, but Wagner was an avid socialist and would have been right in line with Weimar Republic economic policies.
Would Hitler have supported Wagner the revolutionary and socialist if they had lived at the same time?
I assert that Hitler exploited Wagner because he was a dead icon, not a live problem.
@@bostonseeker Not true.
From Franz Liszt:
“The day will come when all nations amidst which the Jews are dwelling will have to raise the question of their wholesale expulsion, a question which will be one of life or death, good health or chronic disease, peaceful existence or perpetual social fever.”
The most glorious music, borne out of the Devil's spawn.
The antisemitism is so clearly defined in this music.
The Devil is disingenuous and deceptive, and tragically owns this, the most glorious music of all time.
I new about vogner but this documentary was very interesting
strauss music is superior gentle no violent sounding motifs easy on the soul
This is anachronistic. Wagner died 6 years before the Chaplin lookalike was born .If you're looking for influences follow the english : Winnie and Chamberlain.
BEM, ESCREVO EM PORTUGUES O ASSINTO É IMPORTANTE! É ABSURDO LIGAR WAGNER E HITLER POES ENTRE ELES HA DUZENTOS ANOS! NAO CONHEÇO TODA A MUSICA, MAS CONHEÇO O ASSUNTO MARAVILHOSO DE SUA OBRA:ÉO LINDISSIMO FOLKLORE DOS POVOS DO NORTE,DINAMARCA, ALEMANHA, ETODOS OS OUTROS, QUE DERAM ORIGEM AOS.....CONTOS DE FADAS, QUE EMBALARAM TANTOS SONHOS DE CRIANÇAS EM TODO MUNDO!!! SI,M, HA ANOES GIGANTES, MESTRES, JOIAS, OURO NINFAS, WALKIRIAS APAIXONADAS POR HUMANOS, FILHOS E FILHAS DOS DEUSES.......QUE ISTO TEM A VER COM OS HORRORES DO NAZISMO, QUE ATE O MILENAR SIMBOLO DA CRUZINDIANA E TIBETANA ROUBARAM, INCAPAZES QUE FORAM DE CRIAR MAS SÓ MATARAM E ROUBARAM TUDO E TODOS!!!!!!1
Some people come alone
The Wagner family clearly learned nothing from Wagner's operas
What were they supposed to learn? The Ring is not a "message". It is a legend about the old Germans. They had no reason to dislike the man. He was their biggest fan.
#Family...
@@ziblot1235 If you think the Ring does not contain a message, then you clearly have no idea of it
I can see some clear parallels with the Ring Cycle for sure. You have this family of gods, for example, the Wagner's. Or perhaps you have Fafnir and Fasolt, and the old dragon guarding the Wagnerian hoard after the death of his brother. You might have Götterdämmerung in the destruction of Germany and Europe, the death of Hitler and the Reich. Or you could have any number of characters in this saga renouncing love in their own way to wield the power of Bayreuth. Then we have have others immolating themselves in the name of redemption from a cruel and racist legacy. And of course there are many other analogies we could draw, but at the center of all this stands the (complex) dwarf, Richard Wagner himself.
Wolfgang was a real evil man among the many of the Wagners. I felt sorry for those who tried to fight the tyrannical reach of the Nazis part of the family.
Wiegand was the genius and the jealousy of Wolfgang sick.
Dancing with the devil.
I wanna hear her
God bless you ah 🙏🏻
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No Richard Wagner?
lol
Vorrei tanto capire ma non so l'inglese😥
In Parcival Hitler Saw the Holy Grail as a Symbol of Blood Purity the Grail Contains Sacred Blood to Hitler this Was Pure Nordic Aryan Blood
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Richard Wagner, how great as an artist; how flawed as a man.
Flawed? How? What do we really know about him. Didnt Jesus speak out agaisnt the Jews too? Those "whited sepulchres" Wagner didnt invent anti Semetism.
@@ziblot1235 Jesus WAS a jew. He spoke out against some jews, but not based on their race.
@@karlheven8328 Jesus was half Jewish, half angelic star seed. Fully man, fully divine. The Jews and Gentiles he spoke out against alike indeed, and only according to their unholy behaviors. He was an ascended Jew - literally sent to liberate His people. They so largely denied this, that they crucified Him. He ressurected on the third day, ascended into heaven, and is seated at the right hand of the Father. His mother, Mary, also ascended into heaven. They will both return soon, according to the book of Revelation. We must prepare ourselves and become conscious of the truth.
@@ziblot1235 Of course Wagner did not "invent" anti-semitism, but he was a prominent champion of it...He was one of the greatest composers though.
titis
2:15 "Lies and falsifications.... all for Power! No" Cry-baby cry! lol 😂🤣
I don't care what any one says Wagner reigns supreme both musically and philosophically.
Ok Nazi.
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Cozyma is a name?
How about creating everlasting masterpieces oneself? Stop shattin on ppl back in the days w/o taking into account the historic context
Darned GOOD advice!
I'll take it!
So much nonsense in this documentary...
Can’t understand what is being said because of the accent, sorry
Damb YT subtitles jibbirish not cool and over the german 2 english subtitles and CZcams subtitles over again
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Wagner was an anti-semite , but was capable of collaborating and befriending Jews throughout his life. He was a complex figure who could not abide any cruelty. There is no way he would have approved of Nazis as we now fully know them. He definitely contributed to the path that ultimately led to the Holocaust. Yet I am totally convinced, had he know what would happen in the future, he would never have written the same essays and articles that he wrote. It would be unfair to fully associate him with Nazism, but he definitely contributed to the intellectual atmosphere that made this monstrous movement possible. Some of his family , none of whom were geniuses, were a different matter. Even Cosima was more unambiguous in her antisemitism than Richard, who had a tumultuous life and needed a scapegoat for his troubles.
It s Haard to be intellectual
There were millions of Germans in Hitler’s reich who ‘could not abide any cruelty’, yet they all supported him and carried out his wishes!
@@monikam9069 Oh Monika! You are aiming right for the bull's eye here! 👍
"scapegoat for his troubles", the irony is immeasurable
The Holy Grail is Said to Contain Sacred Blood it's Clear that in Richard Wagners Parcival the Sacred Blood is Pure Aryan Blood Sonnenmenschen
meh not big deal but it is kinda famouse how hitler is pissed of over it
It is odd to think that entertainment would have such power in society, but it needs to be resisted for higher morales and good of humanity.
they earned their money and kept it..... whatz wrong with that????
It's always seemed odd to me (and I was born in 1942) that the Wagner family have managed to hang on to the Bayreuth theater complex. Why are they still in private ownership of this place that was built with taxpayers' money more than a century ago? Especially after their record of abetting the Nazi regime in order to keep their wealth and social position? Is this a case of social elites looking out for each other no matter what disasters are going on? I wish some German politician would bring this up in the media.
Tony who ?
Gudrendammerung.
Nazis oder nicht - Wagner war einfach nur ein überragender Komponist!
Better not be Jew hatred posted
Ich hasse keinen Menschen - ich liebe die Kunst, das Leben, uns alle, heute und in der Vergangenheit. Sollen wir uns im 21. Jh. noch mit "Altlasten" abgeben - sind wir nicht eine Generation des Verzeihens?
The Wagner Bubble revealed!!
Thank you very much for upload this interesting documentary!!!
I only listen to Wagner´s music. The rest is not important enough to think or talk about it.
Jonathan Froger ......Wagner never believed in the “Superman”, that was Friedrich Nietzsche. Wagner was a Christian and a Romantic. Nor did Nietzsche die in a slum with a prostitute, he died at home with his sister taking care of him. Get your facts straight
Jonathan Froger The great conductor Sir Georg Solti, a Jew, is on the record to say that if Hitler liked Wagner‘s music that wasn’t Wagner’s fault. If I can recall correctly Wagner was dead before Hitler was even born.
What is the purpose of this film? Wagner’s music was great. I spent six years in Bayreuth where are my father starred in many roles from 1965, until 1971. Wagner had died before Hitler was even born. I personally knew Winifred, Wieland, Wolfgang, Gottfried and all of the singers that starred at the Festspielhaus during that period. Having a speaker like this with a bad German-English accent, doesn’t make the film any more impressive. It just looks like an attempt to drag Wagner’s name through the mud. Have you done anything in your lives that was as important as what Wagner did? I really doubt it.
Wagner was a musical genius, but he was a hideous, racist, small minded man. This is an obvious truth the music world have to accept.... Truth is often difficult, but it always leads to freedom.
What is a "black mass?"