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- čas přidán 27. 03. 2024
- Shannon Sharpe and Gilbert Arenas debate whether Jayson Tatum has most to gain from a successful NBA playoff run and discuss whether Tatum becomes the face of the NBA if the Boston Celtics win a championship.
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It's crazy that Tatum and SGA are the same age, but Tatum has so many playoffs experience already.
Like Tatum didn’t join a great team already stop it
@@HahaHaha-km4sm He didn't
And if you asked fans who shows up when it matters they would tell you Tatum doesn’t do that. Weird huh
@@HahaHaha-km4smjust say u don’t know ball
@@HahaHaha-km4smhe’s been the #1 since Kyrie left it’s not like he’s just on the team winning, he’s one of the main reasons they’ve won
As a Celtics supporter, JT early success has him trending towards 1 of the All Time Great players
Ocho and Shannon played football, yet Gil is the one with CTE…
It’s ridiculous, I can’t stand listening to him .
💀💀💀💀
Dude hooped in ankle socks what did you expect!
😂😂😂
Tf is Gil talking about. I can’t watch this show with him
ANT gains the most with a deep playoff run. Tatum is already on that elite level in the league
yeah but too soft to be the face imo. And what does he do that's really spectacular that everyone "has to watch"?
@@TheForkOnTheLeftistwin
@@ageorgio2020 0 rings
@@TheForkOnTheLeftistjust like any other 25 year old player rn
Tatum got locked by the Heat last year in the playoffs, Ant up next and it ain’t close!
There's a few clippers that could gain a tonne
I agree with Unc, Jokic will most likely gain the most from a great postseason run, he's already headed to a 3rd MVP, a second title and another Finals MVP will put him in a higher level than anyone in his generation and put him somewhere top 15 all time.
Facts! You have to put him with the shaqs, Hakeem, Moses Malone, type centers
Not if Minnesota get all their boys back in time for the playoffs. But if that doesn’t happen. Then I’ll come to your side😎
@@vincente4570 Minnesota hasn’t won a playoff round in years. Reg season wins do not mean playoff success and until they show us something giving them the nod vs Denver is dumb
@@muscleaka12 You’re missing the point NUGGETS FAN. It’s a new season and don’t assume shit until they actually play each other next month in the playoffs. So with that said, y don’t chu just put your life savings on the DENVER NUGGETS to repeat if you are so damn sure den😏
Love your work unc! Been a fan for years!
I think KD. Also most to lose hes gonna get FLAMED if he goes out early
Kd don’t even care no more it’s obvious he’s cool with his 2 rings and he just wanna hoop until he can’t hoop no more kd literally playing for the love of the game now tbh
@@SeddyPooh good point but im just sayin thats what the media and everyone would be saying. He never really cared about anything but hooping which is cool
@@rob.villa33 yeah your comment is 100% right bro
Til i see Tatum show some attitude and fire he'll never be my face if the nba. That even keel shit dont work wit elite players.
That's the only problem I have with Tatum I totally agree with you. He smiles with his opponents too much. Especially with Kobe being your idol. Kobe would never smile with he's opponents before a game, maybe after.
Sure it can. Ask people about Tim Duncan.
Tim Duncan was definitely a good guy off the court but on the court was totally different against his opponents. And that's been documented. And plus all though Tim Duncan will arguably be the best power forward in NBA history, he was never the face of the league@@riffsthatkill2180
@@Wmaig1he isn’t good
If Tatum drops another 50 piece in an elimination game this year and brings home a chip he’ll be the face. Only time will tell.
not if he chokes in the finals and JB carries again
Ant Man is the new face, Tatum ain’t got the killer instinct like Ant.
@@JohnBurgundyfunny you said, go watch what Tatum did the 2nd time they played vs Ant this year when he took the game over
@@tyshaunthorbourne9221 Ant is an unproven and more volatile player. Tatum is a proven bipolar performer at best, choke artist at worst
A 50 piece to win the championship, where have I heard that before? Oh yeah, the real face of the league Giannis Antetokounmpo did it 3 years ago.
Unc tripping Tatum 19😂
Jokes not funny shits over used tell that man win something
The Celtics are the equivalent of the 49ers in my opinion they could get there and be the favorite and I wouldn’t believe in them
Tatum is very good, but to me he's much closer to Paul George than KD.
Nah he’s just boring as hell
Tatum isn’t very good. SGA and ant and ja are significantly better
@@nonyobussiness3440 SGA maybe, ja hell no. Give me a guy who can shoot and defend over a guy who can't any day. Ja Morant will never be good enough to win a championship cause he doesn't shoot at a high enough level and doesn't defend. It's the same shit that we went through with Allen Iverson. If you're small, you better be able to shoot. Cause your defense has a hard ceiling when you're small. Literally the only guy we've ever seen win consistently as the best player as a small guy is Steph, and he's the best shooter ever. Isiah Thomas had Joe dumars, Mark Aguirre, etc. Steph was the best player. Ja Morant needs to be able to shoot jump shots at a MUCH higher level before I will ever take him seriously. Cause last I checked, Derrick Rose and Russell Westbrook have as many rings as me. Same with John Wall. Small slashers aren't viable to build a team around.
I still don't really know what to make of SGA. He gets to the rim, and he can shoot from the mid-range, but his outside shooting leaves a lot to be desired. His floor feels like Demar DeRozan. Idk, personally I've never really gotten the hype with SGA. The numbers are good, but it just doesn't look right when I watch it.
Anthony Edwards I 1000% understand and agree. We've seen that shit work before. Wade, Kobe, MJ. Two guards who are jump out the gym athletes and can shoot, those guys tend to be pretty good lol. To me, Edwards is absolutely on a superstar trajectory. But I have yet to see anything from SGA that makes me believe he's not DeMar DeRozan yet. Cause remember, this is the first time his team has been any good with him as the leader. His FG% has taken a dip every time he enters the playoffs. We have yet to see him able to get a team there. He's probably going to be better in the playoffs than demar DeRozan, cause it's pretty hard to be worse lol. But don't be surprised if things get a little harder for him and all of a sudden it's tougher for him to get to his spots and get to the line. Remember, bigger, physical teams have kicked okcs ass this year. That's not a coincidence.
In regards to comparison to Tatum, right now I think Tatum and SGA are on the same level. I have Edwards trending to be above them and ja far below them. To me, ja is down there with Trae young and Dame Lillard. It's fun, but they're little and they're not Steph Curry, so if you were building a championship team, I'd hope there was someone better on the team that was leading shit. If you put Tatum and ja on the same team, that'd probably be enough to win a ring along with Jaylen Brown. But if you swapped Tatum for ja on the Celtics, the grizzlies would instantly be better and the Celtics would be a whole lot worse.
KD nor PG has the record for points in a game 7
@@greyklopstock7155 Tatum is inconsistent, low fg%,weak, slow, Un athletic, soft, is a chucker, no post moves, plays out of position and avoids contact and looks for dumb isos, and is a ball hog.
Ja scores at a much higher ts% and a better player. Ja is a leader. Tatum is a loser
We have been saying that for years . His mentality isn’t it .
These playoffs might show JB to be the more dominant and consistent player…
No GM would take JB over JT. There’s a reason JT is the #1 option. Tatum is top 10, probably closer to 6 or 7 currently. Brown is somewhere around T25
No GM would take JB over JT. There’s a reason JT is the #1 option. Tatum is top 10, probably closer to 6 or 7 currently. Brown is somewhere around T25
If they had to make a choice, Celtics fans would rather keep Jaylen than Jason.
@@MrRufusRToyotano we wouldn’t lol
@@MrRufusRToyotanah bro maybe if brown could shoot better from the free throw line 😂
Bro jimmy gains the most more than any other player on this list
“Everybody ain’t gone be like Magic”😂😂😂
CRAZY that he's only 19 year old 😂🤣😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂🤣🤣🤣😂🤣😂😂🤣🤣😂😂😂
“I like KAT but KAT and Rudy Gobert together ain’t Shaq”
Trudat. But from the rebounding standpoint. They can easily own the glass on the nightly basis😎
Nah Dame been to the Western Conference against the Warriors and KD didn’t play a game that series and lost in 4 😂😂😂
warriors still better team even without KD
Without KD that's still a 73-9 team bro😂.
Antman gains the most cause he's the most likeable and suitable face of the nba his brand would sky rocket past the last 3 champions. It be more talk again with Antman and Jordan. U never hear Tatum or anyone else wit Jordan
Shannon starting to become one of these guys that don’t let nobody talk!
Jokic wins MVP and a ring again he's higher than KD
He already is imo
Already is. More mVPs, better stats, and he led his team to a chip. KD never did that.
@@SuperDunk1000MVP is irrelevant until they decide on a criteria for it
@@TheForkOnTheLeftistMVP is about making your teammates better while dominating
@@user-lt1fx2he5s no it isn't. James harden won without doing that. So did Giannis twice. And let's not begin with LeBron lol the media says he makes players better but the numbers disagree
It joker wins another chip he’s in the convo for top 5 centers of all time
Dame is about to be 34 and went to the Bucks to win a ring. Did everyone just forget this? Why does he not have some of the most to gain? These ppl were picking the bucks to win the East and finals, but for whatever reason Dame doesn't stand to gain more from a ring than Jokic? Than Tatum? If we're talking about windows closing with Tatum at 26 (which is ridiculous), then I guess Dame's window is already closed at 33/34?
Bernard King deserved one of Bird's MVPs (83-84). The NBA players voted Bernard King the MVP for the 83-84 season.
I'm a Celtics fan, but until he stops hiding from the spotlight in the biggest moments, it's hard to take him seriously when it matters.
It’s between ja, luka and ant
I don't see anyone beating Jokic anytime soon; so I think the only ones to gain this year are going to be the young ones that make a deep playoff run.
Getting to the finals isn’t as easy as so many make it seem.
Oh yea? Do tell us how
@@Ausnapify All he said was it isn’t as easy making it to the finals which it isn’t.
@@saucegodnas7318 Tell that to the thousands of NBA players who havent cracked the semifinals
My unc Shannon clean
Damn they really don’t want Jokic to be the face of the league 😂
He can’t be. He’s the best player in the world but he’s not relatable.
Because he's boring and can't be marketed duh
Can't be the face of the league when you're on a red eye to serbia as soon as the season ends.
It’s inevitable.
@@captaincaveman2400 one of the most uninspired chip celebrations I've ever seen. No wonder they rig the league lol
Harden & Embiid are top 5 to gain for sure. Lillard would be in there as well. Ant and Shai are in the same bout. By winning a title so early they become Elite level and we will start talking can they win multiple.
Is Embiid gonna even play? He’s hurt still
Definitely Embiid and Harden for sure. Embiid is starting to look like we’ll never fully get to see him at his absolute best because of injury. Harden was also an MVP and has played with some stacked teams only to literally choke away series in the playoffs
“And the likelihood of you getting with Kobe at that age who else is going to a team that has somebody that’s as dominant as Shaq was”
Why isn't book on that list
It’s because no one has dominated the “weak east” but Tatum to get to the finals u get through Tatum . He’s 1-3 seed his whole career and 1/5 in conference finals. No one is doing that in the west . Last team to do that in the west was kd in golden state
Tatum is weak
We’ve seen the best of Jayson Tatum
Zion definitely this has been his best injury free season he was called the next Bron I hope him and the pelicans have a good run you can almost feel the next gen coming up they got Next as for Tatum he's proven him self now is time to get that chip same thing for playoff P
Tatum, Luka, Kd, Jokic, and Embid.
I tell you what this year is 1 of most toughest ever with the parody in the league . Who ever wins should really get big big time respect because of how many great teams. If it's KD super for him ....If Steph or Lebron wins ring # 5 now that's just extra icing on top of icing on the cake for them . If 1 of the young guys Tatum Brown Edwards SGA Luka than now they next up .. if guys like Harden Damian Embid Westbrook PG CP it will be that 1 thing they never had and finally get they're 1st ring . If Jokic or Giannis win #2 ring now they entering guaranteed top 20.
Kawhi if he wins ring # 3 proves that healthy Kawhi is easily top 20 all time .
I think it would be Luka. Currently the media is beating on him saying he’ll never win with his style. Completely ignoring him getting to the west finals by himself losing to the champions.
Luka is very well liked
lol why is Evan Mobley and Tobias Harris on here
Disagree with shay. Kd and Tatum have the most to lose not gain . They only gain in one scenario- winning. Other players gain just by advancing beyond round 1
“buss or chip” is crazy gil ngl
Giannis has a DPOY, 2 MVPs, FMVP, Championship, MIP. Tatum himself says Giannis is the best, what are we doing here? Giannis has been the face of the league since 2021, yall wouldnt even be questioning it if he was on the Lakers.
I think dame in Miami was the better move but I still like the bucks .
Heat in 5! Lol yea he definitely should have came to Miami but I still rock with Dame!
wasn’t in his control. He got traded
I feel like it’s ANT no one expects them to win
Tatum is an excellent player but colorism is the reason his jersey sells more than Lebron's.
It’s not colorism Tatum is just super boring
@@Earl_TheSquirrel How does Tatum being boring explain why his jersey sells more frequently than Lebron's?
Tatum too soft, he light skin, he doesn’t have what it takes. 💯
Is it just me or does Giannis seem kinda watered down this season? Not numbers wise. It just seems like there’s a lack of fire/passion that we’re used to seeing from him. Could it be Doc…
I don’t think it’s Doc, he was like you are saying well before Doc came. He hated Griffin and that might be it, and it might also be Lillard arriving and he’s having a hard time slightly adjusting his role
@@schuylersavage276 You could be right but I saw fire earlier this season. Just ask Haliburton and the Pacers.😂
Kd. He’s been catching a lot of strays since the warriors run
It's SGA or Ant that's the future
I don’t think Gil understood the question
Dame definitely got the most to gain.
got the most to lose also
@@Jscrizleyup if they don't make the finals at least he's gonna lose credit
That’s where he is in his career he’s gonna be 27 next playoff run niggas gotta relax at 29 30 then we could say Ight bro win or nothing
Tobias Harris though
Kawhi and PG need it
Milwaukee is dangerous! I think the defense isn’t where it should be.
Bucks will win the Championship.
How about the entire clippers roster
Jokic would gain more from an already great playoff run.
Shannon is correct hahaha tobias Harris❓❓❓🤔they should have added Sacramento's Sabonis that would have worked 🤔👍
James Harden.. age is a factor for a guy whose reputation is shrinking in the postseason
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Wait so jokic could easily slide in the top 10 but people fight tooth and nail for curry respect and I’m not talking about just “ the greatest shooter”
Tatum is in a different point in his career where I agree he has the talent to be the face of the league, multi finals winner & MVP, but the Celtics will not win on pure talent. Their coaching is a serious detriment to their development.
Their coaching staff has improved dramatically this year. Or are you just talking about Mazzula? Even he has improved a lot this year. And has the respect of the team. He's got them focused enough to have only lost 15 games. That's pretty damn good.
Tatum can’t be the face of the league because he’s boring
I disagree because if that’s the case. They wouldn’t be whooping ass every month. They have the best record for a reason. So tell me this BATMAN🤔. What’s your definition of coaching sir?
Tatum too inconsistent and unclutch I like ant
Dude’s unproven in the playoffs. Tatum is a killer in the playoffs.
@@SuperDunk1000choker*
@@SuperDunk1000 like I said he’s inconsistent and not clutch in those moments
Tatum has had successful teammates all nba , dpoy, 6moty , nobody in the west as young faces has that or had that
Bro brogdon got injured and was washed in the playoffs and Marcus was not a true point guard consistent or efficient
Unc maybe it was a mistake but please never put Tatum in the same conversation as Steph KD and Bron. Lol that boy accomplished a lot but please he don’t even got an MVP yet
He said they all playing win or bust
Zion gains a lot
A great hooper, can't see him as the face of the NBA. Doesn't have that it factor. Dr. J Magic Jordan AI Kobe... Tatum doesn't have that. Jus sayin
When are people going to accept Tatum ain’t that guy
Where's Ocho?
Ocho is there for mostly football topics. Gil is there for basketball
getting ready to dance at beyonce's album release party
Saying nobody cares bout Luka winning a championship is crazy
team not good enough , dont be delusional
This will sound silly but it’s true he’s not exciting to watch, MJ Kobe Bron Steph are highlight reel every time they played, Tatum is pretty “boring” for the Majority of casuals fans who are the bulk of the fanbases, and he doesn’t have the crazy stats lines like Luka or the Euro Bigs, and his personality overall he’s bland, nothing wrong with it that’s him but he needs more to be the face of the league
I disagree. Tatum can score anywhere on the court and he has posterized almost every star in the league. His fadeaway is so nice looking too.
When they talk about the face of the league, they actually mean the Black American face of the league? Who is the best black American player under 28?
Wolves be done by first or second round
We don’t need a cry baby fir the face of the NBA
LBJ got away with it
Ngl, Tatum cried a lot to the refs a few years ago. He’s gotten muuuuuuch better at not doing that.
Jordan and LBJ did well doing it
Tf Evan Mobley on this list for?
Biggest jump would be Zion.
I say the clippers as whole
Butler
Idk man, if Steph won a championship this year, he'd probably be top 5 all time. That's not a small amount to gain.
too bad it wont happen
Tatum too inconsistent i just don’t see it 🤷🏽♂️
It’s Chip or nun for the Celtics. They have the best team and they can’t afford to blow it up.
Ant got a better chance being the face then Tatum, should be Luka but ofc that won’t happen so is what it is
He ain’t never gonna be the face of the league when with 24 seconds on the last possession of the game he takes an awful contested step back three that always misses
Nah Tatum ain’t
except he show up in big moments if his life depended on it he is the sole reason celtics didn’t win it all when they went to the finals
I’m ok with Jokic winning mvp this year but this better be that last year cuz it’s players more deserving like yall so biased when it come to Jokic
Do u watch Jokic??
@@fyilando854 yes but I been watching the nba for a long time I have seen better players trust me
no u dont. The guy is the only guy in nba history to lead the nba playoffs in points,rebounds and assist.@@chrisayo8687
Gil's not good at this. He should talk about business
Carmelo Anthony never lead his team to a single finals appearance by the way… The Tatum criticism is unreal.
he also never had a team half as well built as the Celtics so what's your point?
@@TheForkOnTheLeftistJR Tyson Stoudmire a young iman I mean what’s the excuse u Tatum haters are so weird I never seen this type hate for a young star since lebron
@@ghosting6723 why would you assume I hate Tatum when I simply defended Melo? Just ignorant. And stop the cap Amar'e was hurt the whole time and you'd have to get to the bench before you'd take any of those players over the Celtics. It's a superior team lol why even argue?
@@TheForkOnTheLeftist Tatum lead the Kyrie and Hayward-less Celtics to the ECF his rookie year. Carmelo has 1 ECF appearance for his entire career.
@@nikobellic2515 didn't he get the broom? What's the point of all of these runs in the Leastern conference if you get steamrolled by the first good team you play? I'd say the same about LeBron
Who gains the most ? Lebron. Imagine if Bron was to win this chip ? Bron is the answer.
KD saved the warriors the years he was there
Funny to see Shannon talk about Bird and Jokic with Gil. It's obvious Shannon's never seen Gil dump on all the euros and white players, and Shannon's giving them max praise and Gil's downgrading them instantly. "Where's Jokic...behind Duncan", Bird's MVPs in the 80s...it's hard to find people to agree he's top 10". Gil is the definition of a player hater, can't bring himself to say nothing good about them!
Those the kind of jokers that you can’t talk sports with. Especially if you’re talking to a Skip Bayless type🤷🏿
Tatum won't be the face of the league, even if he wins a championship. Gil should know this given what he was saying before about Jokic and Giannis not being Superstars.
You don't need a championship to be the face of the league and there are plenty with a chip and the basketball credentials to be the face who aren't and won't ever be the face. He already demonstrated this in claiming what Anthony Edward's would gain with just some/much less playoff success!
too much hype on Tatums potential while the celtics keep choking
Tatum has played on great teams since he got drafted. They still choke every year that boy can’t get it done I don’t know why we keep talking about him being the face of the league
I'm a Suns fan and we ant winning it this year
Who the hell gave Gilber Arenas so much clout. He threw his own career away and is still as lost now as ever.
Larry Bird better not ever get taken out of the top 10. That man saved the whole league.
Larry is top 5 easy. Without even thinking that hard about it
lol stop .
Get it right. MAGIC VS BIRD rivalry made the NBA relevant Jabroni, while in the process Michael Jordan was the third wheel in the 80s. So know the facts before you speak your bias BS👎🏿
@@vincente4570 😂 why so serious
@@mattwatts33 No comment JEFF FOXWORTHY 😂😂😂😂😂😂🫵🏿(sarcasm laugh)
Zion had the most to gain