Entire Sanctification | What It Is | What It Means For Christians.
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Thanks for video. I love Wesleyan theology and listening to Dr. Ben and Dr. Collins at Asbury. I think you have captured their theology very well. I have all Dr. Collins books because he knows Wesley.
Thank you for the encouragement! Glad to have another Wesleyan here!
Well done, this is a very good understanding of Christian Perfection.
The key to this his JW's understanding of love which is far superior to many. To John Wesley love is all. One cannot have grace without love. Early Friends and Mennonites understood this and so did the very Early Church Fathers. Above all it it is entirely scriptural.
I'm a Torah-observant Christian, so my understanding of entire sanctification is different from the Wesleyan view. In my view, sin isn't some sort of vague state of evil that exists in or around mankind. Instead, sin specifically is transgression of the Law. When we disobey the Law, whether voluntarily or involuntarily, we sin against God. Our sin grieves God and kindles His anger toward us, but we avert our justly-due punishment because of the blood sacrifice of the Savior. In this sense, I do believe it is possible in theory for a Spirit-filled believer to gradually reach a state of sinlessness _(i.e.,_ not violating any the commandments of the Law), but it's practically impossible due to our fallen nature. I don't think there is a single person (other than Jesus Christ) on this planet who has permanently stopped transgressing the Law even after being saved, but this doesn't mean that it isn't in principle possible.
Under the New Testament, it appears that only intentional sins are considered sins, as the law is now written in our hearts. Also, in entire sanctification, the sinful nature is removed, which makes it easier to never commit willful sin.
Thanks for explaining this so well. If I may ask, which denominational group are you with? Great video!
It is clear in the NT that God can complete sanctify a believer before death. So Methodist/Wesleyans, Catholics, Anabaptists, Orthodox, Quakers are right regarding Holiness.
John also in several places talks about a perfect love (1 John 2:5, 4:12, 4:17, 4:18).
Why does he say the “involuntary sins” are not called sins? When Paul says it is when “it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwelleth in me” is it because Wesley believes Paul is not speaking about his own person but A person under the law upon a realized condition of his sin before Christ?
It is sin, but not in the same sense as an individual is committing it. In the Old Testament, God did distinguish between intentional sins and unintentional sins. Compare to Lev 4 and Num 15.
What is the best and strongest argument against this idea? Without straw manning other schools of thought, I'm curious about why they reject this idea.
That’s a good question. I’m genuinely not aware of a Biblical case against this. I know the knee-jerk reactions to this but never heard a exegetical reason this can’t be the case.
@@methodministries I imagine they'd start with the last half of Romans 7. How do proponents of entire sanctification handle that passage?
@@joshuas1834 It varies, but Wesley held it was pre-christian.
Watchman nee answers Roman's 7 best from what I've read .
@@methodministrieswhere did Wesley teach Rom. 7 was pre Christian I’d like to read it. Do you believe the same?