4K Takeaways: Cameron AI Controversy - Aliens - The Abyss - True Lies | Ep. 2
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- čas přidán 7. 06. 2024
- 4K UHD blu-ray reviews (Fuzz-style) of recent catalog releases: Casual reviews from a layman's perspective; nothing too fancy... just me sharing my thoughts!
For this episode, it's James Cameron day! I weigh in on the Cameron AI restoration controversy and offer my take on the 4K releases of Aliens, The Abyss and True Lies.
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Big thanks to our newest Fuzz Club member Rod Shaft @rod_shaft (5:12)
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Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
05:12 New Member Shout-out
05:43 Cameron Controversy
14:45 Aliens 4K
25:41 The Abyss 4K:
34:44 True Lies 4K
40:49 Outro/Summary - Krátké a kreslené filmy
I wish Cameron and Disney would have given us another disc in the set that was faithful to how the film was shot and looked in 1986 as well as his 2024 version.
I can totally respect that... very reasonable. And I would've been down with that too.
I use a product called Un-Du adhesive remover. I use it to get all types of stickers off of slip covers, the disc (center hubs) and even the art insert made of paper. Used it on my 3 Cameron slips and removed the stickers without any damage at all. Took less than 5 minutes each...being patient for the Un-Du to work before peeling is the hardest part. 😁
I got 4ks because of the experience and partly preservation. Mostly the experience . So im happy that the abyss looks great, good experience good blind buy. But i will admit peaople that value preservation should be upset & lack of film grain does slightly take away from the experience & 80s feel of thus movie . 24 year old here. Some of the corny 80s jokes doesnt hit the same without that film grain
Awesome, informative video mate. Thanks so much for your time and effort.
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it... wasn't sure how it would be perceived. But really appreciate you watching!
The reason The Abyss looks the best is because that's actually a 4k scan. Was never on bluray before
Exactly. Scanned from the original negative, which is ideally what UHD should be for: giving the consumer the closest approximation of the theatrical experience. It's debatable whether the color timing on The Abyss 4K is accurate, but whatever. It does look nice.
And Titanic another with a more recent 4K scan. Those two looks the best whereas Aliens and True Lies look the worst.
@@Marvdogger2 Haven't seen Titanic in 4K but Aliens looks phenomenal. If that's a "bad" 4K transfer keep putting out more like that. Although i concur The Abyss did look slightly better than Aliens.
Aliens looks good but could be better. I gave it 8/10. Could be sharper and have abit more detail if was actually a 4k scan and increased film grain slightly. Apparently the source is 2k. Abyss is a proper 4k scan.
True Lies was also sourced from a 4K scan of the OCN (though the OCN was apparently in pretty bad shape, and they had a lot of problems with it). Haven't been able to verify the source with Aliens, but I don't think we know for sure one way or another.
Thank you for your grounded and measured opinions on these discs. It's hard to find practical opinions that aren't hyperbolic clickbait. I appreciate it.
Thank you for that, and thanks for watching! Really appreciate it. EDIT: Also, thanks for becoming a channel member! Very cool. I appreciate the support so much.
Loved The Abyss and True Lies. I've been waiting since Blu-ray was first introduced in 2006 (or 2005 I may be wrong). Terminator's 1&2, Aliens & Titanic all got Blu-ray releases, but The Abyss & True Lies never came to Blu-ray until it was announced in late 2023. I have no idea why it took so long for these 2 movies to come to Blu-ray, but the bottom line is that it's great to see both films finally made the Blu-ray release.
Apparently they had planned to put out True Lies and The Abyss on blu-ray like 10 years ago or something, but then there was some sort of conflict between Fox and Cameron, so it just never happened. They even had HD scans done for these titles, but for whatever reason couldn't get it to blu-ray. But I agree... so glad we finally got them. It's about time!! These were definitely essential films for the format.
Thank you for presenting a reasoned and different perspective on the image transfer of these new 4K titles. FWIW, James at youtube channel In Search of Physical Media ranks this Aliens 4k as maybe the best looking 4k disc he's ever tested.
Yeah James' review was solid. I watch his channel all the time, and I often like to recommend it to others who want a more detailed analysis than I can offer. He does great work over there. Thanks for watching and chiming in!
James Cameron was very busy first chasing shipwrecks, some real deep sea exploration, then making some very big Avatar films, and as such cleaning up The Abyss took a back seat - for years. I just got a 4k HD copy of Aliens and The Abyss today and will be watched tomorrow ! Can not wait.
I read an interview where he was saying that people didn't realize how much time the 4K scans took and said that it required him working every day on one for a week - and my thought was that, man, that's not THAT long, but I guess I'm not as busy as James Cameron. ;)
It seems they did not use 4k scan for Aliens 4k. Used 2k source which was used for recent US bluray release
Yeah I've seen a few people allege that, but I have yet to see it confirmed anywhere for a fact. If you've got a source or link or something, by all means, feel free to share. I'd like to know for sure. Although it wouldn't change my view of this 4K. It looks incredible.
Aliens could look better. It's still good and I give it 8/10.
Alien and Aliens are my favorite movies of all time! I watch these movies several times a year. So I definitely can’t wait to pickup the new release of Aliens. AI will be the new standard for enhancing any movies old and new going forward. And knowing Cameron, he will use the latest technologies to produce his films.
I can't help but feel sad that "AI will be the new standard for enhancing any movies old and new going forward."
My brother - I could not agree with you more! Just watched True Lies last night and lining up Abyss and Aliens soon.
My own two cents here is I want the best clarity and most amount of detail in a 4k. I get the “purist” approach of wanting to keep grain structure and all - but at times 4k to me doesn’t look great with too much grain.
I also watch all my films on my Sony Native 4k Laser Projector and onto a screen. The screen does apply a bit more “grain” appearance as well….its a screen. There is some “structure to it” versus todays modern TV’s.
I’d ask the “true haters and purists out there” if they think all these “original movies” were ever shot for “OLED” televisions or if they were meant to display “on the silver screen in theatres.” (at least the films made decades ago and not modern films shot on digital). I do think with as good as modern televisions are, they show more perhaps than they even should and could be adding to the “waxiness” everyone keeps talking about. It’s plenty full of clarity on my projection screen but I don’t see very much “over-processed look” or “waxy appearance.” So maybe it’s just my set up…
I thought even True Lies looked fantastic “to my eyes and on my equipment.” (Getting that review up soon with the others to come)
Appreciate your input and thoughts as always my man!
Thank so much my friend! Very interesting points you make, about the larger projection screens vs. TV panel. Someday I'm thinking I would love to go the projector route. It's not practical right now for the space we're in, but I've been thinking more and more lately that I wouldn't mind going down the projector road at some point in the future.
I actually just watched True Lies again last night, just to see if I felt any different on second viewing. I definitely noticed a little more of the processing the second time around (more the "smoothing" than anything else). In fact, I'd probably even revise my review score downward half a point. But I still think the film looks the best it's ever looked on physical. It's not perfect, but I'm glad we have it.
@@TheOriginalFuzz- you ever get down that projector trail you let me know. I love how far they’ve come technology wise. I love the experience with a nice Dolby Atmos set up. I have LOTS of experience with them as I’ve owned different ones for 10+ years now…
I’m watching Aliens now and can tell a difference between True Lies but True Lies is still good IMHO. But Aliens is far better…damn it looks good!
@@ungraduatedmedia Awesome man! Yeah I'll look forward to hearing all your thoughts on Aliens when you're done. I figured you'd probably dig it though.
I haven't had the chance to see any of the three, but they are definitely on my must have list. True Lies is such a fun movie.
Greetings Fuzz! Just found your channel and subscribed. I'm a big fan of 80s horror, sci-fi and action. I've also collected many of the Alien franchise movies and sets over the years. I have the Pinball Brothers Alien LV #335 pinball machine and two 1:1 Alien busts. I've read a lot of the Alien books and have numerous statues and figures from the franchise. I'd say it was a 'tie' between Alien and Halloween as my favorite franchises. I just received my 'Aliens' 4K media from Amazon but still waiting for 'The Abyss' and 'True Lies'. Tonight I'll watch 'Aliens' in my home theater and really looking forward to it. Great review!
Very cool! Thanks so much for watching and subscribing. The Alien franchise is also my personal favorite franchise... the first two films are among my all-time favorites. You're in for a treat with Aliens! The 4K looks awesome (as long as you can handle the lack of film grain). The detail is crazy good. I was impressed!
I've got Aliens 4k and I love it. If you want the movie with all the grain and dirt, get tje 1999 dvd edition, that is a transfer without any restoration applied to it, and maybe more how it looked back in the day in the movie theaters? I guess. People need to whine endlessly.
My copy just arrived and I am testing it tonight
Love the reviews, Fuzz! I completely agree with you on the visuals the the films all three were gorgeous and showed so much detail. It wasn't just the skin and hair, you could perfectly see the textures of all the sets and props. To me, it was almost like watching the movies for the first time because the worlds felt so much more real, like i was right there with the characters.
As far as people critiquing things like lack of film grain, my question would be: why the hell even watch the movies on 4K? Just watch the VHS or DVD versions. High definition grain? I just don't see the point.
My only critique of your reviews is that you left out any mention of the audio tracks. I am much more of a visual guy so sound isn't really my thing but man, these films with my Dolby Atmos surround headphones were all crystal clear with great sound depth. All three were a joy to watch start to finish. It is crazy how long Aliens and The Abyss are but the time absolutely flies!
Yeah they really are a completely new type of viewing experience. I found it to be very exciting! It almost was like experiencing them all over again for the first time on some levels, like you said.
As for film grain and 4K, I may be able to shed some light on that. Because of the higher resolution, we do tend to see more of a film's natural grain structure on 4K than we ever could before on lower resolution formats. And the fact that the natural visible grain has been reduced for these 4K releases is what some collectors are flipping out about. But I completely agree. They were all thoroughly enjoyable to watch.
You have Dolby Atmos surround headphones? I didn't even know such a thing existed. Now I'm gonna have to look into that! That sounds awesome! I know I don't talk about the audio as much, but it's mainly because most of the time I'm watching movies late at night with headphones (I just use my Beats Studio Pros, which sound great... but I'm very curious about the prospect of Atmos cans). So I just feel unqualified to talk about the audio on these releases. plus I don't notice stuff with the audio as much when it comes to movies... unless it's just something really incredible sounding that jumps right out at me. I think I just tend to be a little less focused on it in general.
Thanks for chiming in! Great to see ya! And of course, I appreciate you watching as always.
I used a hairdryer to gently heat up the adhesive on the sticker on my copy of the abyss.
I think the shortage in the states could be down to people selling copies to countries that don't have the releases yet.
I got the abyss on ebay from the states as its not being released in the uk. my copy arrived 2 days after release which I was really happy and surprised by. Although I did pay £20 over retail price for it.
Someone else mentioned that about using a hair dryer as well... I think I'm gonna give that a try. Thanks for the tip! As for the shortage, I've also heard there are limitations on the manufacturing end, that there's only like one plant producing discs for all of North America. It kind of seems like Disney just didn't plan very well for this release. It seems like they didn't realize the demand was going to be as high as it is (bizarrely), so I'm guessing the production runs were just not as large as they needed to be.
A hair dryer on that sticker for about 10-15 seconds then start the peel at the corner ,apply more heat if you need 🎉🎉🎉🎉
Thanks for the tip. I went a tried it on my 3 and all the stickers came off easily with no residue left behind.
Yeah agreed... thanks for the tip! I may just try that out on my Aliens and see how it goes.
Damn, I wish I had thought to try that when I peeled mine off. One of those tricks I know I knew but forgot about in the moment. ;)
Good information I could not find any of these in stores so Zi ordered True Lies after your review from Target. I imagine that the Blu-ray has the same issues assuming they are issues to you as the 4K.?
Yes, the new blu-rays included are sourced from the same new restorations, so they would have a similar appearance, just not as high on the resolution (and no HDR). Some of the digital processing may seem a little less pronounced, but for the most part, yeah it's still there.
@TheOriginalFuzz Just received The Abyss this week, the one I wanted most right away, and waiting for Prime Day for specials on Aliens and True Lies. Like you, I’m thrilled that, after many twists and turns over the past decade or so, these films are available NOW!
The one thing I like about James Cameron, like Chris Nolan, is how much they have learned and continue to learn shows up in the final product. Always driven to make better films, or in the case of Cameron in the Avatar era, better looking ones.
I don’t always agree with you about the movies you like, but your genuine affection for them and the way you share that on your YT videos is infectious and a breath of fresh air. Please keep up the good work!
Thanks! Wayne
PS Have you done videos about your setup? I have an inexpensive Sony 4K player (my second after a PlayStation), and wonder if there’s an affordable upgrade @ or under $400 to your knowledge. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks again! 👍
Thanks Wayne - Appreciate that! Glad to have you here. Very cool you at least got The Abyss first. That was the one I was most excited about, and that was the one I had to wait the longest on lol...
To answer your question, I haven't done any videos on my setup, mainly because my setup is pretty modest. Is your Sony 4K player an X700? If so, I would say your best bet for upgrading would be a Pansonic UB820. Those units have kind of become the industry standard, and you would notice more of an upgrade with the features and image tweakability, etc. The UB820 has this cool HDR Optimizer that really helps you get the best image, particularly on lower-end and mid-range 4K TVs. They're a little pricey (you can usually find them for about $400... around black Friday they had them for like $350 on Amazon, and that was the lowest price I'd ever seen for that unit), but they're great players and very reliable. And everything is a little more "automatic" than on the Sony players (like Dolby Vision, etc. -- you don't have to toggle such things on/off manually).
Thanks for the advice, Fuzz! 👍
True Lies is my favorite Schwarzenegger movie, and I absolutely loved this 4K. It's, of course, the best this film ever looked. Plus, I'm in it for the love of the movie, so I had little problem with this release. Great episode! Keep up the good work, buddy!
Thanks so much! Yeah I had so much fun re-watching True Lies the other night. It had been quite a few years since I had seen the entire film all the way through, and this new 4K was just so much better of an experience than I'd ever had before with this film (in terms of image quality). Thanks for watching and weighing in!
I see your collection behind you wow that’s awesome amazing work you put in it
I thin slip covers are just waste unless they are different from the cover on the plastic box. I unusually bin them.
yeah they are pointless. Why do they even exist? to protect the plastic or what?
Well, after watching numerous videos over the past week regarding these releases. I must say Fuzz you dropped the mic!!! Great video. I really don't know what else to say. I agree 100% on your thoughts about Cameron. He is a true innovator, perfectionist and fellow Canadian. (Had to throw that part in.) Lol. Thanks for this well researched and informative video. You rock.
Thanks so much Dwayne! I was a little nervous about this video and wasn't sure how it would be received. But it seems people are digging it so far, so that's great news! Appreciate the kind words and encouragement brother!
I’ve been waiting for your full thoughts on these Fuzz! I agree that it’s nice for the most part we can agree to disagree on certain aspects. I didn’t love the two transfers that I have seen. I personally didn’t have to much of an issue with True lies which most people seem to hate the most. I was just thrilled to have an HD version of True Lies. The old DVD was very dated and it needed an upgrade. While I thought it had issues I was still overall happy. Aliens is where I had the most issues and you hit the nail on the head. ai just didn’t vibe with the changes. I thought some close ups looked bad to me. But if you or anyone love that clean look that’s perfectly fine. I wanted to love it but just couldn’t. Also when it comes to James Cameron and people knocking the person. That’s not cool with me. Just like how people feel about George Lucas making changes to his films. I might not love all of the changes but you have to respect it. It’s their films and they can make it look and sound anyway they want too. I still can’t comment on The Abyss because I still don’t have the 4K. I think we can all agree at least that Disney did a bad job with supply management on this one. They had ample time to have enough to fill pre orders. Thanks for the video Fuzz! I appreciate your full analysis on this! Enjoy your day buddy.
Thanks so much John! And I totally agree... we can absolutely respect different preferences for these things. I completely understand people having a different preference for Aliens, because it is a different look. It's not for everyone. I think the problem is, some people are convinced their preferences are objective fact, rather than just an opinion. And I think that's where the intensity of the controversy comes from. Some people are hardcore and get really worked up over this stuff! LMAO! Thanks for watching and weighing in my friend!
Fuzz great reviews on these new releases 4ks I will definitely check out this channel
Your reviews here buddy are excellent. Everything is subjective. You and I have probably seen all of these releases in the theater and can appreciate what they were trying to do. I can remember when the complaint in source material was there’s too much grain lol.
41:03 looks like I'll be waiting for a Black Friday sale on these since I canceled all of mine thank you for actually putting it in perspective for us.
Thanks Nick! That's cool... I totally get it. And at the rate things are going with the availability of these titles, it may be Black Friday before they're widely available again LOL! But yeah, some people may just want hold off for now and save a little money later on.
I use heat from a hairdryer to remove my stickers, works really well when the sticker is really hot.
Have to be very careful with cardboard and barely use any at all but baby oil works to get adhesives off. Make sure there is a gloss coating on it or don’t use it because it will blend the colors and print on the cardboard
04:57 I think Bob Iger deserves credit for publicly supporting physical media when his predecessor was trying to kill it.
we might not have had these at all let alone releases of mandalorian etc on disc.
I totally understand what you're saying, but I personally don't think Iger was ever that invested in physical media. In retrospect, when he made that comment about exploring "legacy" forms of distribution, I think he was probably referring to the deal they just cut with Sony to have Sony distribute all their stuff on physical media (apparently that deal had been in the works for a couple years). Sure, Disney has released a few titles on physical like Mando and Prey, but I don't think they had much planned after the Cameron releases. From what I understand, they got rid of a lot of their good people in their physical media division, and the people there don't really know their own catalogs very well or have the passion for or knowledge of the movies they now own. Hopefully things will get much better though with the new Sony deal. Sony does good work.
Why do they use the digital rescaling process in 35 mm filmic films, is not that the filmic quality is much higher than the 4K resolution, so it would not need an artificial rescaling to enlarge the image, of course the filmic already has the quality to be transferred directly to 4K digital, without rescaling. I would understand if it were a VHS video because the resolution is much lower, but not the filmic, the filmic has very high quality.
When I do get Abyss and Aliens I just leave the sticker alone
People forget that True Lies was actually released on blu ray. It's unofficial spanish version
That's just a bootleg!
The Abyss is the only one I watched so far. I really liked it. I never realized how bad the DVD was until I popped it in afterwards to get screenshots for comparisons. OMG...what a pile of crap! LOL. So glad to have an upgrade.
Great video, Fuzz. The Abyss was gorgeous to look at. Aliens for the most part I was very happy with, and True Lies as you noted was the worst quality transfer, but the film is still so fun to watch... As I mentioned in my video, with Aliens and True Lies the processing/DNR was noticeable on some parts, but it didn't ruin the experience and I'm glad I have all three in my collection.
I still think we as physical media content creators should point out the flaws when we see them, as that's why I come to YT to check other reviews videos, and vice versa, but each person's perspective on their viewing will vary from person-to-person.
Thanks Frank! Appreciate you watching. I totally agree that we should not be afraid to point out flaws when we see them. And while not everyone will agree, personally, I don't think these releases are really all that flawed in any significant way (save for maybe a few scenes/shots on True Lies... but even that is pretty small potatoes for me). Overall, I think they're great releases.
to narrow in on just one section of the whole video, I think I personally prefer the theatrical *ending* of The Abyss, as opposed the longer and more drawn out version in the directors cut. I like that it keeps the water beings a bit more mysterious and ambiguous, but the rest of the extended cut I really enjoyed
That's cool... I can respect that. For me, the darker ending feels a little harder-hitting... and I think it probably appeals to the more cynical side of my personality. Lol! Plus I like the more slow-burn vibe with the longer run time. I love all the extra context added to the character development, etc. Thanks for watching and weighing in!
Great video - I largely agree with your take on these restorations! Abyss was the only one I had not seen, so it was a treat to see it for the first time like this.
Also, maybe I just got lucky - but the stickers on my slipcovers came off without fuss with just a bit of patience! It still is asinine someone made the conscious choice to put them there in the first place anyway.
it has also been fascinating to me to see this whole phenomenon. People are already treating these releases like they are OOP or going to be soon. I saw a copy of The Abyss on Ebay for over 100$ CAD for goodness sake!
Yeah it's funny how that works. It's pretty nuts. I'm guessing in a few months, all of this will eventually stabilize and copies will be widely available. But it seems like this was a terrible time for these releases, just in terms of Disney being in the process of shifting their physical media production over to Sony and getting ready to shut down Disney Movie Club, shut down their own physical media division, etc. If these titles had been in Sony's hands to begin with, I doubt we would've had any problems with the rollout of these titles. But scalpers definitely live in the moment LOL!
I don‘t know specifically which social media posts you are referring to around the 17:00 min mark (I am not on social media except YT), but your subsequent dismissal of what can be defined as OBJECTIVE data as ridiculous is problematic.
Very few people get their TV calibrated by a professional or at least get the proper settings for their TV so they can get close. Most watch with factory settings, almost guaranteed to be wrong. An objective analysis cannot be done this way.
There are very good reviewers out there who go to great lengths to give us an objective image analysis using calibrated equipment. Values like peak brightness go along with it. Data analysis is important because it gives us a hint about the technical merits of these releases and if good work has been done here. The 4K disc specifications offer more resolution (pixels), more peak brightness (nits), a wider color gamut, and higher contrast over standard blu ray if the mastering was done correctly. The basis to get the most out of the format is a 4K scan of the original film.
Now, analysis reveals that no new scan was done for Aliens. So we are left with the detail and brightness of a 2K scan. Scrub away the grain and you are left with even less detail. Grain is an organic component of film and there is detail hidden inside it. To remove it and then enhance it with whatever algorithms is certainly JC‘s prerogative. But JC could have made sure that to get at least the proper foundation. He didn’t. His reasons? I can only speculate.
Here is a good review of the 4K disc which should be viewed on a 4K HDR capable display:
czcams.com/video/ltbfjkb76WI/video.htmlsi=lnNFvtaUKXToBld1
It is definitely a problematic release and I can understand anyone who is upset about it.
Well that's where I think we disagree... I don't think it's a problematic release. I think people are reading way too much into it. And the problem with videos like the one you shared is that they're often framed as "objective" and "unbiased" when in reality, they're not objective or unbiased at all. It's still just someone's opinion about what they think is going on or how they think it looks. They're just couched in technical terms and data to make it seem like they've "proven" something when they really haven't. I would submit there is no such thing as objective and unbiased these days. Everyone has a bias, whether they want to admit it or not. And so much of this stuff is subjective.
Re: Aliens on 4K, all I know is what I saw with my own eyes. Detail was most definitely off the charts compared to anything we've ever seen before. More depth too. I've now watched it twice, and I was even more blown away by the level of detail on display on the second viewing than I was on the first. There's absolutely no doubt in my eyes that this is a significant upgrade over the blu ray in terms of detail, but some are talking like they were still using old-school DNR "scrubbing" away the grain, when in reality, the tech they're using now is far more advanced, nuanced and precision-based. From what I understand, the detail wasn't just enhanced... it was preserved to begin with.
My issue is that people get so hung up on technical specs and technical details that they end up missing a lot of good stuff. I don't really care if it's sourced from a 2K scan because I know what I saw with my own eyes. If people want to spin their wheels over the technical specs, that's fine. But I have no interest in that sort of thing. I trust my own eyes, and as far as I'm concerned, the Aliens 4K looked fantastic. If I want to see a grittier look, I can always go back and watch my blu ray. But I suspect the new 4K is the only way I will watch this moving forward.
Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts! I sincerely appreciate it. I realize not everyone is going to like the look of these new releases, and I respect that. But I really do think it just comes down to personal preference.
@@TheOriginalFuzz Thx for your answer.
When dealing with - as you call them - Cameron haters in the comments, you stated you have a problem with their tendency to make sweeping assumptions without having all the information or relevant context.
Well, information can come in many forms. Technical data is one of them and it IS important. In many areas our lives we depend on technical specifications and that they are measured and adhered to. Ever flown on a plane?
While film entertainment certainly isn’t a matter of live and death (though some get pretty emotional about it), a part of it is has always been a technical realm. Once we get past creative intent it just gets technical. And picture data can be measured. Do you deny that? Are there established technical specifications for the 4K disc standard? Sure there are. When they are used correctly to their fullest potential we get better picture quality. Did the data on the Aliens 4K disc come close to full potential? Not in the slightest.
Of course, your right as a consumer is to ignore the technical side and be entertained by what you look at on your TV (on whichever settings you prefer). Most do this. You are also quite evidently not a technical reviewer. But you proclaiming that technical in-depth reviews are not worth their salt because there is no such thing as objectivity „these days“ (whatever that means) remains highly problematic because hard data obtained through precise measuring is the best way to get closer to the bottom of things. Other approaches fail reliably.
In that sense you deny yourself relevant information. Either because you don‘t understand it (you can learn) or you don‘t want to deal with it. Your own words point to the latter. Just be aware that you do the thing that you accuse the Cameron haters to be guilty of.
And just because you don’t see a problem doesn’t mean that there isn’t one.
As for my subjective take after watching the 4K of Aliens: it is watchable but far from a reference release. I can deal with Cameron‘s decision to remove the grain (he always hated it) but those AI enhancements just don‘t feel natural in many places, especially in close-ups. Uncanny valley territory. Why not get the additional real detail from a fresh 4K scan? There would be little need to apply that AI tool. But JC seems to love that tech.
@@Achilles248 Thanks for your thoughtful response. I should clarify something here, because I don't mean to give the impression that I think technical data has no value at all. That's not the case. I don't think technical data should be dismissed outright. I agree that it can be a helpful tool. But I also think that sometimes technical data alone can be deceiving, and it doesn't necessarily tell us the whole story about what's going on with a given release. For example, I've seen incredible reference quality 4K discs that were sourced from 2K scans of the OCN, and I've also seen poor quality 4Ks that were sourced from 4K scans of the OCN (case in point: Terminator 2 was sourced from a 4K scan of the OCN, and we saw what happened with that release and the Studiocanal screw-up. It's widely considered one of the worst 4K releases ever, and rightfully so). The main point I'm making is that not every aspect of a release can be quantified with technical data... because of people's selective perception and other factors as well. I've had 4K releases that didn't necessarily look very good on paper, but then I pop them in, and I'm blown away. So I was just trying to encourage people not to get too hung up on technical data without popping in the disc and judging for themselves. I don't want to see people get scared away from a release just based on the technical data, when they may not even have a problem with the release once they watch it with their own eyes.
Thanks for spending the time with this discussion. I do understand where you're coming from, and again, I appreciate your comments here.
@@TheOriginalFuzz Yes, Terminator 2 was not good at all. Waxy images thanks to DNR and the color grading was off (maybe Cameron’s doing). And apparently they only used one perspective of the two images that had to be created for the 3D release for the 2D 4K (Studiocanal‘s fault).
A lot can go right or wrong during the entire workflow that brings the images from the original camera negative to our TVs. And great UHD Discs from 2K video sources have been made, you are right. The wider color gamut and high dynamic range alone can beat standard blu ray. Coupled with a good upscale and good encoding you don’t necessarily miss the information from a true 4K source.
One always hopes that the people involved know their stuff and are doing their best work within the constraints imposed by budget, time and technology. Or big egos (Hi James!).
Cameron’s tinkering with his releases goes back to the days of laserdisc. Already back then he tried to alter the images and get rid of grain. He also brought his own TV to the studio responsible for the mastering of the Aliens Special Edition laserdiscs and demanded that the image had to be tweaked so that it looks good on his TV and not on the mastering monitors, the supposed logic being that audiences at home don‘t have a mastering monitor TV. Yeah, but that‘s not how it works and it surely drove the people at the studio crazy (who certainly knew better).
It still was great to have that Collector‘s Edition and back then I couldn’t see that this particular release was botched up. Small CRT TV and it surely was better than VHS.
But that AI thing and letting us wait ages for this releases is totally James Cameron. He is a control freak and by now is totally in love with the digital video look.
BTW, information from Bill Hunt / The Digital Bits:
“True Lies, Titanic, and The Abyss were all mastered from 4K scans. Aliens was mastered from the 2K scan used for the previous Blu-ray release.
Titanic was scanned in 2012. True Lies and The Abyss were done more
recently.
That's all per Geoff Burdick at Lightstorm.
Of these remasters (done by Lightstorm with Park Road Post -- their AI
process, whatever they call it), True Lies was the first completed. Then
Aliens, The Abyss, and finally Titanic. I'm told that each time, they
learned a lot and got better at it. So True Lies is the one that's most
"aggressive" is the word I would use. And Titanic and The Abyss are the best looking of them. But as you know, they all have the "modern" look that Cameron seems to favor now.”
So, what the technical analysis found has been confirmed.
@@Achilles248 Oh awesome - thanks for the update from Bill Hunt! I must've missed that somewhere. But it's good to know for sure now... that was kind of driving me nuts, not knowing which scan they used LOL! I still think Aliens looks awesome though and is a significant upgrade over my blu. But we can agree to disagree on that. It's all good. I don't mind the more modern look myself. That said, I can admit that it does kind of look like that's the order they did the films in lol! You can see they got better at it between True Lies and The Abyss Lol!
Hi. I must commend your review for sticking to your own opinion and not being influenced by others’ reviews.
Your reviews of each Cameron movie seem like the first ones not to be a cut-and-paste reviews.
I am a huge Cameron and Schwarzenegger fan, I've been collecting movies for over 2 decades and I've recently bought my first 4k display and have had a few 4k Blu-Ray Disc that I've collected up to now and I'm awaiting my copies of the three Cameron movies from amazon, as I live in South Africa, they haven't arrived and The Abyss is delayed or out of stock.
Keep up the good work and stay true.
Thanks so much - I really appreciate that. Sorry to hear you're still stuck waiting for the titles to arrive. Yeah The Abyss has definitely been a hot item. I'm sure in a few months it will be a lot easier to find. But for now, it sure seems Disney screwed up in not planning for enough stock to fill demand. Thanks for watching and weighing in!
I’m still waiting on The Abyss, cancelled Amazon order and it’s sold out everywhere, so I just went with DMC.
I agree about the stickers… freaking morons. For that reason I will wait for these titles to drop in price before I purchase.
I got mine off the Aliens slipcover and it took forever, especially to get all the glue off, and although you probably wouldn't notice anything on a casual look, you can definitely see some scuffing if you look closely. I would suggest to people that they just leave it. Sucks having the sticker on there, but at least it won't look damaged.
I'm going to be that guy that says I actually like those stickers on the front of the 4KUHD releases! But seriously, I do like them quite a bit and have always kept them on my slip covers.....I dunno, I guess I see them as permanently marking on the movie that will always stay with my releases
Zippo fluid will take sticker and residue off of slipcover
Hi Fuzz. I just got the Abyss and think it’s excellent. The best it’s ever looked in my opinion. Beats my old DVD copy hands down! I’m looking forward to the new T1 and T2 (re-do) 4k release. Hopefully the rumours prove true 👍
Very cool! That's great to hear you're digging The Abyss. Of course, I couldn't agree more. As for T1 and T2 re-do, I've also seen/heard from several different places that they are coming. We just don't know exactly when yet. I'm sure T1 at least will come out this year, with the 40th anniversary and all and Warner Bros releasing it. I'd love to see a T1-T2 4K box set! But I don't know how likely that is with the rights and everything lol. Thanks for commenting!
Always like your take on films. Some channels analyse things to oblivion. Things you couldn't even see with your own eyes. Not only that, if you don't agree with them, you're not a real film fan or lack appreciation of the product. 😂 Oh boy
Thanks for that! Really appreciate you watching.
Thanks for the time you spent putting this together.
A.I. software. Figures. Any software pushing A.I., is all the range right now. Mostly with hobbyists upscaling old movies with it.
Not so sure Cameron had much to do with this, past spot-checking and approving the transfers. He's still busy with his ongoing Avatar serial.
Still say the 'botched rollout' of these releases feels very suspicious. I don't know where Amazon are getting their current stock of True Lies and Aliens from (possibly cancelled orders due to the controversy surrounding those transfers) but I maintain a belief that all three releases were pulled, last minute. (With around 50% of all preorders being an exception.) And once retailers sell what they've got, you won't see these releases back in stock anytime soon. And yes, I realize sources with Disney/Fox are likely still telling you they simply underestimated product demand -- and perhaps an announcement is coming very soon that clears the air. But I don't think that announcement is going to be what anyone is expecting. This feels different than the typical supply & demand issue. I'm hoping I'm wrong, and by the end of May, all three releases will be available and plentiful. But when was the last time home video divisions within the sowing circle of corporations that make up the Hollywood system, were proactively open and honest about anything? Like, never. Cause that's never happened. Information simply leaks out months or years later.
With you all the best. Great channel.
Talk about conspiracy theories. This is simply a case of underestimating demand and/or ignoring it because that’s such a Disney thing to do these days as they clearly are not interested in physical as they transition to letting Sony handle things going forward.
@@By_His_Strypes Hope you're right. I trust in your perspective.
@@JimAllder11 Yeah I tend to think Disney really just doesn't care that much about physical media (they've been focused on Disney+), and they don't have any good people left in their physical media division who know anything about their own catalogs. I think that's part of why they made the deal to have Sony handle all of their physical media distribution. And my guess is that, with the botched rollout of these Cameron releases, we're seeing the last remnants of a dysfunctional physical media division in action... a department that is probably close to being shut down entirely.
Many mainline studios just don’t get physical media as demonstrated by Disney not expecting demand for these films and whacking on ugly stickers that are tough to remove. If you want to remove them use a hairdryer on low to slowly soften the adhesive. It’s always worked for me.
As for these releases, they’re not my cup of tea. If a film was made in 80s or 90s I want it to look like it was. I get that it’s subjective but I also believe that films should not be archived in this manner. Whether you are fully on board with this approach, ask yourself this question, do you prefer the presentation of Alien or Aliens? Different films entirely but also two movies shot on film restored using completely different but modern methods.
As for True lies, I prefer the Spanish Blu-ray. It’s far from perfect but it is what it is, warts and all.
I think the best way of summing up these releases is what is written on the Criterion forum, and I quote, “artificial smoothening of facial textures making actors look unnatural, grain reduction and other changes to make the film look less like a product of its time”. Perfectly put, and I’m certainly not a Cameron hater but a film lover.
Cameron is an innovator and does his best to make his movies as modern as possible. I own several of his movies. Hate to say it, but have not seen The Abyss. I will give that one a try. I did not know that he used some of his techniques from The Abyss on Terminator 2. That’s interesting and will check it out. His movies are always entertaining to me and enjoy it. I own Aliens on blu ray and is great (IMO). Is it worth getting on 4K? Is there extras?
I think Aliens is definitely worth getting on 4K, but it does have a cleaner, more modern look now on 4K than on the old blu ray. It does have plenty of extras, including a new 30 minute retrospective and the older 3-hour "Superior Firepower: The Making of Aliens" documentary that originally appeared on the old Alien Quadrilogy DVD set. Feel free to skip to the chapter on Aliens here to learn more. Also, yeah you should definitely check out The Abyss... truly an amazing film! Thanks for watching.
Stickers or labels should be affixed to the plastic or nylon wrapping, not to the slip cover.
Great video Fuzz! 100% agree! Keep dropping the truth bombs brother! Take care.
Thanks for watching and dropping a comment! Appreciate it man!
After doing some investigating it seems the problem is the HDR. Especially on True Lies. Strongly recommend turning off HDR on true lies. Looks a lot better after testing and less waxy
My fix was keeping the HDR on but turning down the brightness extensively. I also turned the saturation up a bit and shifted the white balance to yellow. With those modifications the movie looked like itself (and mostly like shot on film) again. Even the grain got more pronounced.
Ok. I am not prepared to mess about with settings that much. What brightness did you put it down to? I just watched it all with HDR off and looked pretty good. My dad said it looked very good. He is average consumer though
@@ps5andstuffhere Yeah, I wrote the settings down so I could repeat to the defaults afterwards. Here's what I did on my LG CX:
Brightness 50 --> 35
Saturation 65 --> 70
White Balance 0 --> W25
No matter what anyone says, I can't wait to buy these movies on 4K
I actually love the stickers
That's cool... if you don't mind them, more power to you. Thanks for watching!
I totally agree with your take on the controversy. I thought your fingers were likely to start cramping from all the air quotes you were using while giving your thoughts on the matter. Great video!
Lol - yeah I admit I could've dialed back the air quotes a bit. I didn't realize how often I did that until I was watching the playback LMAO! Thanks for watching man. Appreciate the comment.
People have been complaining for over 15 years as to why James Cameron haven't released True Lies and The Abyss on Blu-ray. Now they're finally here (even in 4K) and people are still complaining. Damn if they do, damn it if they don't. It's ridiculous!
I ordered all 3 from Disney Movie club back in January. I got them week after release. Slips were beat all to hell. So they are supposed to send replacements I know I really don't care about slips...but just the point of it.
Wow that's pretty ridiculous that DMC couldn't even ship slipcovers to you without damage. That tells me they just don't care or even understand collectors, and they're probably just getting everything ready to shut down for good. Definitely a sign of a dying physical media division. While not every collector cares about the slipcover, some definitely do and expect them to arrive without damage. Especially if someone's gone to the trouble of actually being a member of the DMC. From the stories I've been hearing, almost seems like DMC members are getting hosed the most! It seems pretty clear to me the distribution problems have come from Disney.
I watched all of Cameron's films theatrically, and have either owned or own the 3 films being discussed over the years. That said, when it comes to viewing older films that come with both the 1080p and 4K versions on disc or on digital, I find myself viewing the 1080p version, at times, because I despise viewing the fucking, annoying, enhanced film grain in 4K. So now I'm definitely going to have to pick these 3 discs up, knowing that Cameron was able to remove/reduce the grain, yet keep all the detail. Thanks for the info!
Yeah if you're not a fan of a lot of grain, you will probably appreciate these releases quite a bit. They are very clean looking. Super clear. You'll hardly notice any grain at all. Thanks for watching!
Sorry I skipped the true lies review as it's the only one I haven't watched fully. I watched the first 20-30 minutes to check out the transfer. I agree it looks good! And a lot better than the DVD. I remember the opening credits and the snow sections not being that great on the DVD (now you can really tell that it's not Arnold 😂).
I do have a question about the picture juddering. I believe it was a panning of a cityscape when Arnold is returning home. Did you experience the same? Does it happen throughout the movie?
Note: I've never had the problem with my TV or 4k player. However, the disc was loose in the case when it arrived. But I didn't know any scratches.
You know, I think I did notice some brief judder in one spot, but I can't remember what scene, and I wasn't sure what was causing it. But it wasn't something that happened throughout the entire film.
@@TheOriginalFuzz It was right after the opening action scene but before Arnold and Tom's characters are in the car reviewing Arnold's cover and he forgets his ring. Regardless, I'm glad it doesn't happen throughout the movie! Abyss was fantastic! I 100% agree that the special edition is the best way to watch it!
Leave all stickers on you copies. These will be the collectible screwed up versions in the end that collectors will want.
Amazon just notified me that mine have been now been shipped. Given all the controversy and varied opinions I'm near curious to see these for myself. I recall a similar controversy when the LoTR trilogy came out on 4k and whilst I had some minor gripes with some snall elements of those transfers compared to the Blu rays overall I thought they looked excellent and quite enjoyed them so I expect a similar situation here with perhaps True Lies giving me the most to think about given the reviews I've seen. But I only have the old DVD so I'm sure the new 4k will be a much better experience overall despite some of the "over processing" comments people have made for some of the scenes.
Yeah I'm guessing you'll probably notice some smoothing on people's faces in True Lies in some shots, but aside from that it really does look so much better than that old DVD. I had a blast with it regardless. Great to hear they finally shipped for you!
@@TheOriginalFuzz the only thing I will add is that personally, aesthetically I prefer the organic filmic look and I'm also a bit of a history nerd... So I'm not the biggest fan of revisionist tinkering to remove film grain and try and make something look "modern" unless there are inherent source material issues where this is necessary. However I'm not going to cry and scream about it like some people online seem to or spew vitriolic hate. Would I have preferred a more faithful organic transfer ? Sure...but we get what we get and as long as it's not T2 4k level bad or like that old Predator waxy Blu ray, then I'm sure I'll be happy enough with these discs especially given for 2 of them we still only have very very old DVDs.
I would have preferred he keep the grain, its part of why I will upgrade older movies from Blu-ray to 4k. I only purchased the Abyss, which I last watched only on vhs before, and I didn't find anything egregious, though I have seen some stills from True Lies that did look waxy.
Yeah True Lies is definitely the most digitally-processed looking in places, but it's not constant. Kind of just depends on the scene. But I did notice some smoothing. Apparently, True Lies was the first one they started working on with this new technology, and they got "better at it" with each successive film. So that's part of why it doesn't look as good as the other restorations that were done after True Lies. The Abyss was definitely the stand-out for me.
I saw a very technical credible video on Aliens that pretty much proves it's the same master as the blu ray, not native 4k but an upscale from a decade old 2k master. Not that it matters as it's still better than ever before.
Yeah I just found out it was indeed sourced from an existing 2K scan of the original camera negative, but it was a new restoration, and then they created a new 4K digital intermediate from that.
you sold!!!
I love terminator movies Alines probably be perfect in my 4k collection
I just leave the stickers on.
I don't mind hype stickers on slipcovers if they have info on the movie or special features, like Scream Factory did. But having a generic "New to 4K" digital copy sticker on the cover is lame.
You nailed this rant
Thanks so much! Appreciate you watching!
Outstanding job Fuzz! It was passionate and to the point. These are some of the same points I’ve been making in various places. Another funny sentiment going around is “I’m sticking with the BD”. Hey, that’s fine and dandy, but at the same time don’t tell me the 4K looks bad. The 4K is the only way to watch in my view. 👍🏻
I somehow managed to peel the sticker off the Abyss, but I worry I might not have the same luck w/ Aliens as it seems like it wants to fight me. I guess the sticker is in the Cameron sucks camp… 😂
Thank you so much! Yeah there's definitely no shortage of passion here LMAO! The one that gets me is when people say (in the case of The Abyss and True Lies) that they're just gonna stick with their old DVDs.🤣😉 And I'm just like "Um ok dude... whatever floats your boat. Enjoy your stunning 480p."😆 Because at that point, it becomes almost clownish.
Re: the stickers... Apparently the hair dryer works good in getting them off (numerous people have commented here on that). So I think I'm gonna give that a try on my Aliens and see how it goes.
Thanks for watching and chiming in!
I’m ok with the video taking a slight backseat in its presentation. I’m here for the atmos track.
I’m a fan of James Cameron
Thanks Fuzz, I've already pre-ordered "The Abyss" (delivery estimated for 17th April) and I'm sure I'll be more than happy with that one given I only own a non-anamorphic DVD which frankly is the worst looking DVD I own and upscales terribly ! I'm not sure about "Aliens", some of the things you and other reviewers have said indicate the movie looks quite a bit different to the Blu-ray I have in terms of the overall way it looks and I'm not sure I'm going to like that...I may well be fine with it but I'd rather see what it looks like for myself before making a purchase. "True Lies" is my least favourite of the three, it's a good movie for sure and I have an "anamorphic DVD" of that one which is at least watchable on an upscale (unlike "The Abyss") but again, I think I'll try and get a look at it for myself before I make a purchase. Thanks for the reviews 👍
Aliens definitely looks a little different... but it's just really clear and very clean-looking -- although the grain hasn't been completely eliminated. You can still see it in certain shots (like the shot where Ripley is first waking up from cryo-sleep on the Sulaco). It's just been greatly reduced, so it's not as gritty looking on 4K. But I don't think it looks too processed... just more modern because of the diminished grain. But there's some crazy good detail in Aliens... almost bordering on jaw-dropping in spots.
As for The Abyss, you're definitely gonna dig that one over the old DVD. It really looks phenomenal. Thanks for watching and commenting!
It’s a 2K upscale
I’m a collector I have slip selves covers
I pre-ordered Aliens from Amazon a month and a half ago. Now they’re telling me it may not arrive until May!
Wow that's just nuts! Damn they really screwed the pooch on this one.
Should have ordered from Walmart. I did the same thing, preordered on Amazon, and then three days after the movie released was still seeing the "we'll notify you when there is an estimated shipping date" jazz, which made it obvious that they had sold more preorders than they knew they would be able to fill, so I canceled the order and bought two copies from Walmart - got them three days later.
Reminds me about a situation years ago when I ordered a limited edition steelbooks of a few films I wanted to collect. They all came with these highly obnoxious stickers that were nearly impossible to remove. In the case of steelbooks, the actual packaging IS the product, so why ruin it with some terrible sticker? Absolute boneheads.
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These are the best that they are ever going to look. These movies were shot using low quality lenses, combined with soft focus shots, makes it a very hard thing to upgrade. These films were never treated or stored with the greatest of care!
Looks like they did not do a 4k scan for Aliens so does not look as good as The Abyss. Could have been amazing.
@@ps5andstuffhere you sound like a troll, and your opinion doesn’t matter to me!
Nonsense. I've seen a fan funded 4K scan of Aliens and it blows Cameron's blu ray and UHD shtick out the water. But keep trollollolling.
@@deckofcards87 sounds like you’re a troll that can’t accept someone else’s opinion
No trolling. Aliens looks good and I give it 8/10 but it could look better if remaster was done by Shout Factory or Arrow
Cameron used to be my favourite director but he consistently lets me down with his tinkering. Aliens is missing the sound effect of the dropship ramp closing with Spunkmeier on the Atmos. Titanic is missing 3 lines of dialogue as well.
Those stickers are a damn nuisance
They used to put stickers on the plastic wrap, used to be 😂😂
I changed the 4K of Titanic for the 2012 blu-ray edition, which looks much better and feels like a movie, not the T-1000 version of a movie.
I was lucky to catch Aliens at the cinema in 1986.
The problem I have with this new transfer is what's known as DNR filtering with the image. In places it looks way too sharp. Too many people will say.... this looks like an improvement over what went before. For me personally, this is pushing the image to the extreme. It looks artifical and synthetic.
There's barely any grain visible. I'm not one for heavy grain, but this is pushing it a little to far. A.I. application certainly is noticable, and Cameron goes for a look that makes the film feel less filmic and more synthetic in look and texture. It's unsual and unnatural.
Some sequences look lighter rather than darker in places. Remembering the 'film' look of Aliens in 1986 gave the film the cinematic feel that this new technology that's been applied has lost.
People want near total perfection with image today, and Cameron delivers an alternative take of Aliens through modern technology that feels cold and a little harsh on the eyes. If this is a taste of things to come, then I must withdraw from the A.I. spring board that Cameron and Hollywood have in store. Sad times indeed.
Yeah I get where you're coming from. I don't have a problem with Aliens personally, but I appreciate you sharing your thoughts here.
@@TheOriginalFuzz Cheers.
I have seen many great 4K restorations which look better than the Abyss. I have many ordinary Blu Rays which look better. I am forced to put up with The Abyss 4K purely because the DVD release wasn’t anamorphically enhanced. If it had been then I would be sticking to DVD and selling on the 4K. Thank goodness I didn’t buy any other other titles. It’s so bad I would prefer a good DVD to this.
Love your review and as an avid physical movie collector myself, I watched all of these movies, honestly I’m just happy to see a physical release of great movies. I get people’s complaints however for myself the grain isn’t a break or make for me, I know I’m in the minority with that. In the end I have these movies and no company can come in and take them away from me unlike streaming services. Again love your videos, it’s awesome to see people who are passionate about physical media
I feel the same way. I'm just happy we finally have these releases after how long we waited for these films to get a decent treatment. I think some people are getting WAY too hung up on the grain factor and being too rigid about these things... to the point where they're missing all the good stuff in these releases. The grain reduction isn't really a problem for me either. I could understand if we were losing a lot of great detail in the process... but that's not happening.
What gets me is that you would think more people would just be grateful to finally have these releases. I mean, it's certainly not like these look "bad." They're just a little different. We waited years for these titles, and then when they finally come out... some people are still bitching and moaning. SMH
Thanks for watching and weighing in!
The stickers are seriously easy to take off. Even works on address labels on magazines.
DO NOT USE BABY OIL! If you really care about those dumb slipcovers.
Not easy. Some got lucky. I had to use hair dryer
I'm gonna try the hair dryer trick and see how it goes.
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I love your freakin T shirt.
Thank you! I found it on eBay and just had to have it LMAO!
Thank you my friend.
I am waiting for the steelbook of this film why i haven't bought it yet.
That's cool. I think steelbooks for these titles may or may not happen at some point. These latest Cameron films are kind of a unique situation, so I don't think steelbook releases are necessarily guaranteed -- especially considering the screwy physical media situation at Disney and the fact that they're transitioning their disc distribution over to Sony. Disney had a hard enough time even getting standard slipcovered editions out to people in a timely manner and meeting the demand. Maybe once everything is transferred over to Sony, they'll entertain the idea of a steelbook re-release for these titles (after all, Sony is known for putting out great steelbooks -- so hopefully we'll get nice steelbook releases at some point down the line). But I'm not sure if that's going to happen anytime soon. Could be another year or more. I'm just speculating of course. That said, if we do get steelbooks, I'll probably buy those too (at least for Aliens and the Abyss). Those films would be worth the double dip for me. Thanks for watching!
@@TheOriginalFuzz well i have just made a bid for the 4k film on ebay just because it comes with the slip cover as some of them don't because there is a only a limit amount that comes with it. I think your right about a steelbook not coming out soon that's another reason i went out to get Aliens 4k standard version lets hope the steelbook will be worth the wait with a nice looking art work this time round .
@@bioshock6935 Yeah with as popular and sought after as these releases have been, I wouldn't be surprised if many of the retailers run out of slipcovered units soon (if they haven't already). The demand for these have been through the roof... and Disney botching the rollout of these 4Ks and failing to anticipate/meet that demand certainly didn't help matters, I'm sure.
Use hair dryer for stickers
If you want "grain" go back to the Blu Ray. That fuzziness is just a substitute for detail. Personally, these 4k rips are super clear and look amazing.
It's not that people want grain. It's just they want high quality remasters that Arrow, Shout Factory and others do. Watch Silver Bullet 4K which is absolutely amazing. Cameron needs to go and watch that. The issue is I think the source material for these Cameron films are not actually the best. 2k source used for Aliens for example
@@ps5andstuffhere I have a pretty large collection, a big chunk of it being 4k boutique, and I'm not gonna cry about how those labels should rescan certain titles. I've seen these 4k's and I can see that we are crying about a 97 like that 3 is all that matters. They look stunning in a good way.
The stickers were a nuisance but I got mine off very easily with a little heat and some isopropyl alcohol ro wipe the residue. Not a huge deal.
I did the same thing and it worked great. Luckily i am a nurse so i always have alcohol wipes with me😅 Goodbye, stupid stickers! Luckily, my copy of The Abyss' sticker was barely placed on so i got that one gone easily.
what controversy?! I got the the three of them (and Titanic and T2) and I enjoyed watching them at home...fantastic week of movie watching! All Cameron...all week...but...the best looking one is Titanic...simple. Absolutely breathtaking...then the Abyss...the CGI is not the best after 30 years...but I love the way it looks.Aliens is a bit gritty yep...but a lot better than my bluray. True Lies is not the best...some parts are just like wax! But first time on bluray/4k...will not repurchase in the future...T2 was well...an impulsive buy. I'm a big fan...we are suckers sometimes for buying crappy transfers...no wonder 4k will be the last physical media. And bad transfers don't help attract more buyers. I will collect a few more 4k but will try to control myself! I enjoyed the whole week watching my recent 4K purchases!
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Aliens 4K is easily one of the Top Ten 4K upgrades I've ever seen. Looking forward to my Abyss 4K pre-order.
Oh right on! Yeah if you loved the way Aliens turned out, then my guess is you'll definitely love The Abyss. It's awesome!
Im not that butt hurt about the picture its good to finally have em on 4k
The Abyss fits my taste, but Aliens is too clean. The whole look is destroyed, so my eyes and brain are judging 🙂
The stickers are deliberate it’s all gaslighting
It appears Hollywood is abandoning the more expensive process of 4K or 8K scanning and restoration of the old movies and instead going to the cheaper software up-converting of the 2K and just cleaning and sharpening it with various software filters they call AI. Ugh. These 4K purchases will be a bargain basement price drop for me because an up-converted cartoonish looking artificially sharpened video will never be worth more than $10. I’ll just keep the bluray.
I will disagree with anyone who claims the detail isn't preserved in Aliens and The Abyss. The restoration removed all the grain but still left all the detail. It definitely was not a lazy restoration. I actually prefer some film grain, so it could have been better but I still thought it looked great. I saw The Abyss for the first time all the way through and I really liked it a lot. It was the best looking of the two. I haven't seen True Lies on 4k yet. I have seen Aliens several times before and thought it looked very good but would have liked a small amount of grain present. Both were awesome but Aliens is a close second, for picture quality.
Exactly! I would have more of a problem with the grain reduction if we were losing detail in the process. But that's not what happened with these releases. And to clarify, I like film grain too. I like that filmic look, and I can completely understand people preferring to retain that. I'm just flexible in that regard.
But there are also a lot of people out there making all kinds of assumptions without really knowing what they're talking about or what all was involved with the process, etc. I certainly would never claim someone did a "lazy" restoration without knowing anything about the process other than "AI" was involved. It's almost as if people actually believe there's just some magic AI button that gets pressed, and bam!, instant restoration! LMAO!😆😉 Sometimes, we just don't know what we don't know... but not everyone is always willing to admit or recognize that (especially if powerful emotions are pulling one in a different direction).
Thanks for watching and chiming in!