Interview with former members of "Team Billy Mitchell" (Steve Kleisath, Carlos Pineiro, David Race)
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- Interview with former members of "Team Billy" - Steve Kleisath, Carlos Pineiro, and David Race. We talk Donkey Kong, how they met Billy Mitchell, how they got involved in the score dispute, their attempts to examine the dispute evidence in his defense, and their inevitable discovery of the truth.
(Apologies to David for cutting him off mid-goodbye.)
Interview conducted November 14, 2020.
For more on this topic, check out my one-on-one written interview with Steve Kleisath over at Donkey Kong Forum: donkeykongforum.net/index.php?...
Correction: In this interview, David recalls entertaining the notion that Billy was employing gaslighting techniques on him as early as August 2018. However, after this was published, David reviewed his notes and found that he had actually started pondering the question even earlier in May 2018, less than one month after the conclusion of the TG dispute.
I'm one of those people that went down the Twin Galaxies corruption rabbit hole and can't stop looking into it. It's made all the more interesting by Billy Mitchell finally getting his comeuppance.
Billy never cheated. He just started the game in second gear
@@screwedupmystic2597 Preach it sister. People trying to argument with games code are overlooking the obvious. Todd Rodgers and Billy Mitchell are the saviours who broke the Matrix we are living in. They are not limited by games codes.
@@javabytes3204 this is why y'all young bucks just don't get the purity of the score from stock arcade hardware
I just ran after the rabbit with the pocketwatch last night, I'm in deep.
Not even interested in Esports that much and even less so retro arcade but this shit is fascinating.
Not sure why this doesn't have more views! I found it very interesting, and not surprising at all. THANK YOU GUYS for taking the time to share this video with the arcade loving world.
The whole thing about the recorded phone call is so weirdly ironic and fitting given Billy went and sued for that.
Billy Mitchell is nothing if not a hypocrite.
@@ersatz_cats Facts.
This needs more views.
This guy needs more subs! How are tens of thousands watching these Billy vids and not subscribing for more?
Thanks for posting this. I cannot get enough of this saga. I usually see these right away but better late then never.
Great interview. These guys wanted to help Billy (to give him the benefit of the doubt) at each step but ultimately came to the same conclusion as everyone else that's seen the technical evidence = Billy cheated (PERIOD).
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This was great. It took me too long to get to it. Thanks EC!
gotta love everyones camera angle
Charming angles.
Mame jump out of a tree and came at Billy with a chainsaw. He had every right to defend himself 👍
48:43 Small correction about laptop output capabilities. Laptops of late 1990s and sometime until 2005 or so had S-video output (besides VGA). These were quite common on Pentium II, III, IV and Pentium M with IBM ThinkPad and Dell Latitude and Inspiron series. Many other brands probably had it too (I've seen it on Acer as well). Latitude and ThinkPad were business laptops, so probably had it for in-office presentation purposes. Google some images of laptops such as Dell CPi, CPx, C600, C640, D600, D800; IBM ThinkPad T30, etc.
I did plenty of work with all these laptops over the years... and I still have some of them here somewhere lol.
Technically, with S-Video you can record to VHS, but only more expensive VCRs had S-Video in/out. Even if you can do this, I don't see how a digital signal changed to analog would change the transitions to match MAME ones (assuming the initial signal came from a cabinet).
The fact that Robert didn't know that you could use S-Video out from a laptop to VCR tells that he did not use a laptop to output anything (or someone did this later). It's a simple thing to remember, if you know this in the first place.
Very good point Omega Mark.
You are a nerd bro
Now that was a kill screen. Bravo.
One thing I don't think I've heard (so far, at least) is WHY the finger girder exists. I might be able to shed some light on that. I believe it's an incorrect amount of memory being emulated by MAME. Basically, the way they would draw the screen is they would create a screen buffer where they draw a bunch of tiles into memory - then when the memory is full, they'll dump all of that to the screen, free up the memory, and start drawing again. This happens once a frame until the screen is completely drawn. So they must have programmed DK to where it reads and fills up the available RAM instead of assuming a certain amount is available. If MAME is off by a single byte, you might get more or less of the screen drawn at once. I don't know for certain that this is why we get the finger girder, but it's one possibility.
mame has a setting that allows you to overclock or underclock your pc. the finger is a result of mame loading things a bit faster because of this setting.
To me, I think if Billy is supposedly a top tier player, he needs to come out and play live over and over to prove to everyone he IS the best of the best. Why didn’t come out and crush Steve Weibe live in Donkey Kong when Steve challenged him? Steve Weibe is a true champion.
What Billy Mitchell needs to do is play live "HEADE TO HEAD" against the player he disenfranchised. That challenge has been turned down multiple times by Mitchell. Mitchell calls himself "gamer of the century" but refuses to back it up in a head to head match, Same goes for that other faker Steve Wiebe.
@@Dylan-pt1iv Why didnt billy do these scores in public 10+ years ago when it would have mattered.? Just because he may have done these scores after the fact, after 10 years of practice means nothing to the original argument/dispute.
@@Dylan-pt1ivSo, If I were to falsely claim in a documentary marketed as fact that I did the first live public perfect PACMAN before Billy and get paid for it as a result ( unjustly discrediting Billy in the process) but was latter found out to have staged the event and didnt even play. After the deception is exposed as a sham to begin with, I play a perfect game "TEN YEARS AFTER THE FACT" to "prove" I was able to do it back at a time I was geting paid for the same but did not play legimately. This would be "proof" I played for real 10 YEARS PRIOR when I could not? By your own logic you would have to agree.
@@Dylan-pt1ivWhat would you consider 100% proof? Want to see some proof Steve NEVER beat Billys 1982 arcade record and Billy was NOT the record holder at the time Steves movie people bribed TG? Please say yes.
Thanks for the video guys 👍👍
As a non nerd I find all these gaming conversations intriguing
You’re a nerd if care even the slightest bit about this stuff. Don’t run away. Face it.
hopefully we will get rid of the "best player of the century" (LOL) thanks to all you guys and thank to new TG
I like how he faked the awards, created his own plaques
This is pretty interesting, but also really high-context. I don't know the background details they're referring to a lot of the time, so it's easy to get lost. I only know the basics of the DK cheating scandal from a handful of videos and articles. Clearly there are layers upon layers upon layers.
It is indeed a very deep story, which is part of what drew me to it in the first place. I hope to do a video giving an overview of the case and the key points of contention later this year, before the trial (which is currently scheduled for October).
@@ersatz_cats Thanks for the reply. About a year ago, I read your amazing Nine Dots series on the whole Pac-Man thing, which is incredibly in-depth. I've read less of your work on the Donkey Kong saga, and I imagine it's similarly in-depth.
Basically, Billy cheats, gets caught, covers lies with more lies until there is an onion layered conspiracy in which he sues all involved.
Like Jabba the Hutt these three are immune to the Jedi Mind Trick used by Billy.
except they all three supported him until the evidence was hanging right in front of their faces and could not be ignored any longer
Does anyone know what happened to Roy Shildt? Haven't heard anything from him in many many years. I'm guessing he passed away a while back and no one knows of it, or he's in a bad shape and doesn't have access to or can't get on the internet. I remember years ago hearing he had health problems.
No word on Roy's whereabouts, sorry.
@@ersatz_cats Probably banging hookers and driving his Thunder Bird.
there would have been some ways to output to composite from a computer at the time, but the output would usually have been crap and you would definitely remember what you did to make it look good, like to make the computer output something not something scaled down by the video card so you'd get a good output. one such way would've been a dxr2 card(a dvd decoder card that does composite/svideo output as well as overlaying on a vga signal with a patch cable going to it) with some community software that let you output any video file that was available at the time. it would look pretty good that way, good enough that it would look like you played off a dvd with a dvd player. you could excellent image quality to a vhs of whatever .avi or mpeg files if you played off an original modded xbox too.
of course there was professional equipment to do the same that was used in the av industry making it a non issue from a file.
to play a mame out to make it look as close to arcade on vhs you could do that from dos days even by with a similar 2 bit converter and a vga card that would play ball to be set to the right output hz from dos or linux to do rgb from. the kind of people used for running mame in an arcade cabinet back in the day with the arcade monitors. you wouldn't just do it by accident and it would be pretty obvious there was a computer in the cabinet.
It sounds like the start of the video already starts off in the middle of a conversation. Is there a part missing that's supposed to be at the start of the video? Or is this a part 2 or something?
Howdy! No, this is everything. There were some light technical difficulties getting set up (hence it starts at 5 minutes after the hour). Carlos started filling the time by talking prior to introductions, and it was good, so I left it in.
@Targhan I believe Karl's seen it. I'm sure he wants to keep Billy coverage vids to major occasions, or it would overwhelm his channel. Tipster was covering Billy stuff heavily during the 2018 score dispute, but these days only occasionally does update vids. It's a shame, because I think this was a fantastic interview that deserves views, but with it being my interview on my channel, I can only do so much promotion myself without people tuning me out.
@@ersatz_cats A lot of people are intimidated by long videos, they come to this site mostly for info/entertainment they can consume quickly before moving on to something else. I would suggest splitting this full interview into multiple 5-15 minute clips that you can post over a few weeks. Give them tasteful but CZcams friendly titles (ie. clickbait, but not so unsubtle that people are put off), like "Three of Billy Mitchell's biggest defenders realized he was LYING the whole time." There is still a lot of interest in this case, and it will ramp up as more evidence from discovery comes to light, and especially as the trial approaches, so you could still get some mileage out of this.
Not a gamer, but got hip to Billy Mitchell from the doc and the Dragster guy from a few videos. I know way too much about this stuff now.
As we saw with GamerGate back in 2014, the real issue was corruption and nepotism more than the games themselves.
I bet the one thumbs down is billy
The second one is Walter Day.
Billy devotees turn on their false prophet
‘Tis the destiny of all false prophets.
this is a phenomenal video. would love more content from this group. you could make a documentary, just saying.
Most interesting video on CZcams with 13k
Typo in the vid title. He's commonly known as 'Silly Bitchell' lol
What paper is he talking about signing at the beginning
Written deposition, billy has been alleged to have faked them
Great work. Hopefully that’s a Marshawn Lynch jersey. Kudos.
i have a question. what version of mame did billy played on? does anyone know? because the oldest mame that shows the finger is .116, which was released on 2007. june 2007. and the movie is from 2005.
please dont say "older versions can do that too" give me a number, so i can check it. maybe billy is a cheater, but he is not a time traveler. (although that would be awesome)
Who cares, it's definitely not the transition screen from an arcade board, thus Billy cheated, and that's about the end of the story.
@@jimmysp4des229 Billy has evidence of a finger from an arcade board, it is however in a different spot. It is not that simple to say the transition is different, there are a lot of other factors to take into account.
@sydtopia1 no, it is that simple, unless the arcade board was damaged or altered, there is no way the game loads with fingers like mame.
And if the board is damaged or altered, then Billy's score is no longer valid thus making his lawsuit null and void.
@@jimmysp4des229 I don't think you understand how court works. You have a dumb jury that you need to convince this stuff. You have Billy's tape way the girder finger is not on every transition, you have him show evidence of an arcade machine doing something similar on some crap copy where it is arguable where it came from. It is not quite that similar, there are way to many variables. If you don't believe me, look at the OJ case.
@kevinkerr7379 Well that is a big leap there. You assumed a lot and made some big conclusions. The girder finger can be achieved in Mane by changing the refresh rate or CPU rate. There is a dispute if the tapes were Billy's or not. I don't think anyone who understands what is going to say that Billy used Mame. Only that based on the evidence it appears an emulator was used rather than real hardware would be a much safer conclusions. There are other emulators.
Who is the Walter on the call?
That's me (guy in the Seahawks jersey). I don't own a webcam, so I participated on my tablet while also recording on my PC. Names were incongruent, but everything was working, so I went with it.
Did I say something wrong? I saw you replied but when I come here to read your reply I cant find my comment.
Huh, wasn't me. Not unless I hit something by accident on my tablet. Both your comment and my reply are gone now.
I still see it in my inbox.
Probably CZcams moderation. It's been cracking down lately without even telling people.
Its quite simple......he made score as a kid....lost the touch....others got better......invented a world record persona......adopted a bullshit artist alias.......hence what we have now.......he decieted all and sundry......simple as that.
Great video ersatz
Billy Mitchell is such a scammer.
These guys are great, so don't take this the wrong way...but...dat neckbeard camera angle tho.