[CS:GO UPDATE] The Map Pool is a Popularity Contest
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- čas přidán 28. 01. 2019
- Subzero and Austria are removed from the game, replaced by Abbey and Zoo. Vertigo makes an unexpected return as a wingman map. How did Valve decide which maps to get rid of, and is this such a great thing?
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Austria removed from the game
*feels like 1938 all over again*
oh shit i get it
OOF
LOL
Did someone say ANSCHLUSS
@@beelal6407 Ausschluss is da name boi
Aztec as a Danger Zone map template would be so incredibly sexy, and if they literally plopped the actual map down in the middle as like..a temple on top of an island--man that sounds neat.
Office as Danger Zone owo
Yes please, aztec danger zone would be awesome.
That actually makes a ton of sense for level design having seen 3kliksphilip's video on the danger zone map. Basically you need something big in the middle to obstruct your view and tell your game to stop drawing stuff on the other side, because the terrain meshes won't do this.
Yes, that's correct.
Imagine this.... expand italy to include office, and assault. copy pasta that template around a few times, now give everything an overgrown/vine jungle theme as a dangerzone map.
R.I.P. de_cbble
Polski youtuber kurwa
@@saberspeed77 nice
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You know I had to do it to ya!
new cobble is so terribly bad
its not even funny
4 years later and valve added a per map rank system to CS and a premier mode as well. Pretty much everything in this video came true, even cbble was killed off completely.
warowl makes an austria guide
*austria removed from the game*
warowl:
am i a joke to you
"austia"
Pewdiepie: kills memes
WarOwl: kills maps
👏 MAP 👏 REVIEW
its over now you have to leave, your parents should've known better , you should've known better, im sorry krieger but you have to leave
idubbbz: kills youtubers
Niksatar 25 i love kliksphillips but this is true.
Pewdiepie: kills comedy
Eisenhower: kill commies
Poor Cobblestone, Valve turned you into an horrible map, and now you're going to get murdered, what did you do to deserve such horrible things? (You were my favourite map, before the update)
The map vetoing idea sounds great to me
welp.
Did... he Just kill a map?
OMG ITS jason owl
He's the Pewdiepie of CSGO maps
thebass1904 MMMM-Monster kill!!!!
No. It's reverse psychology. He loves Cbble and want's it to live.
Is WarOwl the Shaggy of CS:GO???
4:30 Secretly trying changes in the community before *we* implement them.... uh... I mean *they* implement them...
No use trying to hide it Warowl, we all know your true identity now.
Didin't expect to see you here
He secretly is Don Haci
The PC Security Channel [TPSC] can I get a virus from csgo custom maps?
@Sandeel Sajjad what?
Yes. He is Brent
Old cobble was my favorite map, this cobble is my worst map. Lets kill it!
Same here. It feels so dirty and like a husk of what I loved. I wasn't going to go along with the #CbbleEmbargo until reading your comment. Let what's left of cbble die. Kill it if you have to.
Cobble was good beforr
Cbble remake with 1.6 layouts lul
@@silverzero9524 Lol, Cobble was never a good map. Never will be either, it seems.
Yes it would be best for everyone droper isn't the same as before it is no droper anymore for me because you can get to the top without a boost now which makes the risk equal to zero
he is describing premir 2 years before is release
I miss de_aztec :(
Hrismo same and few other classic 1.6 maps
Same
I miss *de_piranesi* too.
cant even get Steam achievement for playing Atzec anymore
Me too...
Classic WarOwl, always being gamed by Valve updates
Valve: Removes WarOwl's favourite map
WarOwl: Removes Cobblestone
@TheWarOwl I believe you should have a little competition between 3clicksphilips as to who can make the best competitive viable map! it would be great seeing two renown csgo youtubers doing that due to the fact that with both of your fanbases when valve implements it into the game people will surely be playing it thus it will have a greater chance to stay not to mention both of you have a great understanding of competitive play and how a map layout should be.
"Don't queue Cobblestone it deserves to die" WarOwl 2019
The lord has spoken
i would like that new system
me2
Me 2
Nope....don't take away my choice as a player. If I only want to play Mirage, D2, Inferno and Cache, then let me play those maps, get good at them, and then try other maps. If I don't feel like getting rekt by tryhard Train players, then give me the option to not play with Train players
that's where the unranked matchmaking comes in dude
I like it too.
Aww... what did poor cobblestone ever do to you?
It's changed man, it used to be a good map, with good balance. Then came the updates... the dreaded updates that haunted my dreams and thoughts for the rest of eternity, I hope to see this map burned down to the ground!
i used to love cobblestone 😔😔they murdered it themselves..
Thay frickin ruined my fav map :((
Cobble was a shit and stale map before the update.
And it's still a shit and stale map after the update.
@@batistalift no u
Defusal and hostage maps should be seperate though.
So splitting the playbase even more? There's already a drought of players in hostage as it is.
@@joshspinney Hostage should become a mode like arms race or wingman...cs will always be about planting that c4
@@georgefot6605 thats true but i would like to see hostage on wingman
NO
as i gathered it hostage maps technically should be as playable as defuse, the problem is the map design on nearly every map. The upgrade to Italy was a step in the right direction but the secondary hostage point should be moved even further away, maybe near the market. Typically T's have a very short path between A and B hostages, if the distance was increased some more cs_ should be as playable as de_
Plot twist :
War owl works for valve
Well I never queue for cobblestone so killing off that map would be fine with me
New Cobblestone is so bad.The old version had some fun parts but the new one has managed to kill off all the fun.
did anyone even play cobblestone like, ever?
@@KawasakiKi10 maybe when Halloween happened. Even then only with bots xD
@@KawasakiKi10 I played it like 5 percent of my games, not my favorite map but it was allright
Cobblestone is so fucking trash. T's get all the map control and dominate the map
valve should make a community map pool or something, which is like about 5 workshop maps on a map pool on casual and deathmatch only, which changes every week, and see which maps people like and want added to the game permanently
these modes are cancer, just give us an unranked mode which works like real MM. 5v5, rounds and team damage.
@@TheKnickwitz I get where you're coming from, but why team damage? that's just gonna put a lot of griefers in what's basically a casual mode.
@@hypersniper1540 there's the answer. It's a casual mode. If you see a griefer, just play another match, with no consequences on your rank.
@@UltraAlex2000 I'd rather just get rid of the problem all together instead of having to leave every other game.
Can I get a shoutout at that map *Aztec*
...And we did it. In goes Vertigo.
Great video as always Brent.
Good start to 2019!
@@unid8278 no it isn't idiot
I usually lose on Cobblestone anyway, so it's a win for me :)
I like cobble and I won A lot of matches (on this new one) but still i want them to change it as it was before
What a pun wowsers
*RIP* _COBBLESTONE_
-this is a message from the future-
Sounded like Zapp brannigan in the intro 😂
And the changes you suggested are amazing
Very well said, I have had the same thoughts for the past year and this video sums them up just about perfectly.
All I want is less cheaters, since the Prime update my opponents have gotten 10x better.
yaaaas
thats cuz prime has always had better players. Before the game was f2p you could chose wether to q prime or not right, whenever I q'd non prime, there would only be really bad players.
On a non prime account I was in gold now I am prime and cant get out of silver.I mind you that I wasn't even really challenged in gold with a non prime account. So I agree with your statement.
It really depends on the Rank i guess, on my GN2 Account i got rekt and meet many cheaters, on MG2/MGE i don't have to play serious, because the most Games end up like 16-5 for me
And they wallbang much better than others!
Glad to see you fixed your lighting. Looking good dude!
Love your videos WarOwl! Keep it up. Also like how you offer suggestions rather then just complaining. Good man.
i prefer Austria now i fell bad for playing like 50 games of biome
I'm sad, I was planning on trying Austria but never got to it. Now I feel like I'm the problem
Too bad they ruined Biome in the last update. Austria was fun, and so was SubZero.
@@snebr austria has been on the game for like well over a year and you never played it???
@@dreamcastdazia4753 yes
I really liked Austria, but the time it took for matchmaking was so high I was unable to play the map more than once in competitive.
from the reflection of nostalgia of vertigo in the eyes of the ct's... to getting added again
Couldn't agree more with wanting to kill cobblestone.
brah, de_cbble is a classic, why would you want to kill it tho?
@@killerlion6 The Original map is good not the modified one. (I would be fine if they added OG cobble back.)
Nah this cobble is way better than the old one why even remove it
They will remove it, soon after same people who wanted to remove it will flame valve for killing it and start complaining that they want it back...
That's how Mafia works
White Rabbit ded meme
Damn the matchmaking system you lined out sounds awesome
Aztec themed map for danger zone would be great!
Ah, this is how warowl killed Cobble!
Been thinking same about map vote. Glad you put words on it. Hope Volvo listens.
Great ideas / suggestions Warowl!!
3:45 Warowl pretty much predicts how cs2 will work
I miss de_dust and de_aztec... 😞😢
I used to live in 24/7 D1 servers back in the day. Hands down the best map ever.
dust1 is back on Wingman
Its kinda "Shortdust", but thats not the same vibe.
On the workshop there's a version of de_dust (slightly edited) in the style of the new dust2 textures - it's pretty cool, and a great throwback
I hate dust. Every fight happens the same place from what i saw. Bad map. May have been fun, but objectively bad. Not saying its no a nixe map to play, but the design was very flawed
I do think many of ur viewers are just like me, not playing anymore but just enjoying the content and keeping up to date.
that map veto thing you mentioned is a really good idea!!
congrats you did it
cobble has been removed from the map pool
fl0w rip
:(
Classic war owl, this is where he kills cobblestone. However it should be noted that the cobblestone killed here was a far cry from the real good cobblestone from before
I really like that idea for the map selections
Hey Owly, keep up the same content we all love. Even when times are tough right now and youtube are slowly trying to kill off channels like yours; we all in the community will support as you have supported us. You got me into cs and helped get away from my troubles and i think you need a comment like this to understand how much of a differece you can make. Thanks for all and i hope the future is bright for you :)
Just add competitive where you vote for maps like faceit and others!!!
Yes good idea
that would be so much fun
Problem is, who will vote? If all team members vote, you might end up on fucking dust2 every single game :/:/:/:/:/:/:/:/:/:/:/
It ends up on mirage 90% of the time
Thats not a problem just put like 5 maps randomly from list each time
atleaste do something,otherwise it will be like warowl said ppl will get ran over by players that only play 1 map
Small problem with your System, WarOwl: It won't change anything.
If you allow people to Veto out one or two maps - they'll veto out the new maps and just play on the old maps anyway. Because this is the Counter-Strike Community. "Change" is not in their vocabulary at all, and "New" is the same as "THE DEVIL HIMSELF!". Meaning they won't touch new maps unless there is no alternative.
The only real way to get people to play the new maps is to FORCE to play them. It worked with Overpass, where Valve just said "Look, you gonna play this map" and people now like it, because they're familiar with it due being forced to familiarise themselves with it.
Either Valve goes out and just calls these maps "Rotating Community Maps" and tells people outright that they're not staying permanently - or gives people no choice but to play them.
So introduce 3 new maps and you can only veto 2. So they have to at least queue for 1 new map. Also some people really dislike some old maps, and would be vetoing them
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Actually, isn't seeing pros and our favorite youtubers play maps a lot more influential? I always feel like playing after watching a bunnyhopping or fragtage =)
just add 3 new maps and allow for 2 vetos... they are forced into at least 1.
Perfect suggestions
Your idea is real good
3:24 Oh all oldschool german CS1.6 player know "Gott hilf uns", they played de_chateau all day long and were pretty good ranked in ESL. They also had over 1500 games so yeah... try to beat them. xD
WarOwl just predicted the broken fang premiere mode!
I love how you shamelessly, no-joke went for kill cobble
100% agree last bit. My friends and I queue with all maps on. Cobble was my favorite next to Overpass, but after that Holloween Patch, that map is taken off of our queue permanently until they do something about it. I don't know why they felt like they had to drop such drastic changes to it.
Another idea for ranked is that games are only ranked if you queue for at least 4 maps. This would mean you don't have to veto maps or any of that, and you can still queue for only the maps you like, as long as you like at least 4.
de_tuscan and de_season please!
Speaking as a relatively new player: firstly, a big thank-you for all your awesome content, and I have dedicated several of my frags to you ("WarOwl taught me that!"). But mainly, I would be scared off by your proposed change to competitive play, and would basically never get ranked. I'm now ranked Silver 2, and can attempt to improve that rank by playing Dust II, or maybe one or two other maps. If I had to queue for "whichever map the RNG happens to pick", I would be forever playing on maps where I don't know the meeting points, don't know the sneaky spots people hide in, don't know the rotate paths, and don't know where that shot came from that just killed me. Please, let me continue to choose to play a map that I am actually familiar with, and let me try to earn a rank that way.
Warowl- I agree so hard with you suggested changes to matchmaking. That 2 veto random map model would be great.
War Owl ... im good at mapping, but scared to publish on Workshop as of all the trolling. Can i share my Comp map with you for some ideas.... then i will publish for you and the community to use.
Also working on 2 Danger zone maps.... Mall which is great and i was doing a temple that you've convinced me it should be a homage of Aztec.
McKerrow 13
How do you know you are good at mapping if nobody has had the opportunity to play your maps competetively? To figure out flaws etc?
Are you sure about being good? Or is ot just an assumption
Go publish them and ask "slickshotgames" channel to review your map.
EricMichaelLP I think he means good at detailing
What type of trolling is there on the workshop?
@@EricMichaelLP hmm very good question, Id go Assumption and based the comp tests so far its flows well. Also my detailing / models is cool but that can be bias right :P
Think i just need to get it published... maybe you can let me know if its trash.
They should recreate/readd the Italy
the ranked comp-mode veto-suggestion gets my updoot
Your idea for competitive / casual game mode change is excellent
I miss the old Inferno...
no and no
I miss dust :(
You made a good idea there Mr.Owl. i hope they might see and consider it
that seems like a great idea man, would be so much fun
Idk why thay don’t put old maps in practice with bots or something
you can download old maps from the workshop
"The Map Pool is a Popularity Contest"
Next thing you know CSGO's map pool is gonna be made of "FREE KNIVES" thumbnails.
O hell yeah, I love your suggestion for matchmaking. I've wanted a non-ranked MM option for sooo long but I seriously would love to have a veto system for ranked and not be able to select a map to play in. You know, like the pro's :P
I've got a feeling that Gabe sits with a pen and a pad and takes notes every time Warowl drops a new video.
Congrats war owl valve removed cobble
*diabeetus*
Your version of new competitive matchmaking genuinely seems absolutely fucking fantastic
Your idea of a new competitive system sounds cool!
I never played cobblestone in competitive...
Oh yeah yeah
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keep on brother!
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that closer killed me hahaha
I really like Abbey. It just needs a way for the T’s to access mid from the A side. The map has a ton of potential for sure.
DIE COBBLESTONE DIEEE
Warowl where r them solo queues 2 global
That's the only question he ever gets, and he is kind of sick of it by now.
@@alices.7968 Well until he finishes the series or declares it dead he should expect to have people continuing to ask him. It's a popular series, and I'm sure a decent chunk of his subs are from people follwing it.
Soloq sucks
@@shashanksetty8110 Exactly. Which is why SoloQ to Global is the Best series. It stems from the idea of severely troubling your favourite CZcams personality to do Dangerous, and Awful things.
That's a great ideea, with the semi-random map, or something lime in MOBAs with the draft pick(you get 3 random maps, and vote for one, or vote for 3 and get one random from those)
Yes please, I hope they implement your suggestion NOW!
4:48 Spoiler alert! Don't queue for Cobblestone!
You should make a map. It's not that hard and you know more about map design than most mappers
Would he call his map
"Owl City" nononono i got another one
"War-schau"
The Hammer map editor is old and archaic, I honestly don't know how people make nice looking maps with it. Or any maps, for that matter.
old cbble was such a gold, miss the good ol'days when i just queued cbble in entire mm mappool..
Honestly, your idea of map vetoes is actually quite smart. It would help broaden people's map pool (obviously) as well as make people ALOT less dominate in certain maps. You mentioned the vertiglobals. It would prevent people like that. Then if valve wanted to remove maps, they could just do the 1 or 2 maps that were vetoed most often. All in all, I like that idea.
we did it cbble removed :D
Producenta no :o why!
Good thing I hate Cobble. I'm doing my part, are you? #CobbleEmbargo
do u hate bc mine craft has scarred u with cobble stone
@@tyleralan1470 what are you on about you nutjob
@@Pajdas610 i do love my nuts
No
The amount of coffins in cobblestone sort of foreshadows its future existence or lack thereof. Only map firmly crossed out of my lists or vetoed in 2019.
Also love that veto selection idea! I feel like having a selectable unranked and ranked modes would improve the game greatly along with improving trust factor results for better play, however I am a bit iffy with all the different game modes as some nights seems like deathmatch are 99% bots and it takes an hour+ to find one Danger Zone game on west coast NA. My fingers are crossed knowing how much csgo loves to change lots all at once that we get these ideas all in one package.
I played Austria a lot, got good at it, then it was removed, I am now back at cache again.
siege has has a map pool system you queue for and each new map is added into ranked and given 2 seasons (6 months) for people to play, this lets the player base see if it's competativly viable and if it isn't then it's removed from ranked. we need this in csgo
@@Klodhvig I loved tower btw, but if you don't force people to play and learn new maps then we will keep getting the same 4 or 5 maps over and over, which I'm OK with cus I'm fairly new but for most players want variety. Austria could have been the new dust 2 but no one played it, so its being exiled
4:30 Freudian slip......
We got em.
Thank you WarOwl, you truly are wise in all ways of war.
OMG, yes, the system you came up with is genius, I'd love it if they used your idea!
this aged well
The competitive change sounds like a good idea, but I want the old cobble back as well as 128 tick servers.
Yes!!!! Ofc!!!!! Your map change idea is golden!!!!!!!
I feel like we would be good friends if we met in another life. Your humor is spot on. I know that has nothing to do with the video but it needed to be said.