THE ELLEN WHITE TREE PLANTING METHOD - Was it a bad idea?
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- Three years ago I planted an Avocado tree in my food forest using the Ellen White Method. It did not survive, nor did the other trees I planted in the same hole.
On this video, the second in a series looking from top to bottom in my permaculture inspired organic vegetable garden, I will try to figure why the fruit trees died, by digging the whole thing up again to look down the hole.
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Hello. As an Arborist in Texas we've learned not to plant a tree too deep. It seems the rootball is always planted way below the top soil. Where the root flares begin (where stem meets root ball), that should be above the top soil for gas exchange to occur.
If you fill the hole w greens, you'll have a result of green material decomposing which releases carbon dioxide. Roots need oxygen to thrive. So if you have CO2 release, it will displace any O2 your plants need to survive.
Hiya, there is an Australian horticulturalist- Angus Stewart, experimenting with 'deep planting'; whereby the tree trunk is planted far deeper than normal. Some of his results after a year or two show far more growth but it is dependent upon tree variety and soil type ie: moisture and probably your oxygen exchange as mentioned. Check it out maybe. Unsure how well itd work on nth american species and/or snow lol✌️
It's a real problem in Yorkshire England! Ellen White planting style. I just can't find a dead wallaby anywhere😂❤
Lol. A couple of badgers would do it 😅
We have wild wallabies in the Isle of Man 😄
The Ellen White Method was invented to be used in very unusable soils that were very gravelly, rocky, and well-drained in arid Colorado, U.S., for a very specific property. You can see where in arid, gravel soils, digging a meter hole and filling it with organic material and compost would be really beneficial. There are probably lots of climate/soil types where it wouldn't be advisable to use this method. For example, where I live, we have clay soils and enough rain in which a hole like this would just become a pond and drown/rot most plants/trees. Where I live, it would probably be better to have the same cubic meter of soil mixes in a mound above the natural ground and plant the plant in it.
This may be the key. I live in North Carolina, US (considered part of our "south"). I have worked for years to turn my yard into a permaculture (trucks of wood chips, leaves, limbs, compost) because when I moved here, it was nothing but red clay. It was hard to grow anything in it. I have a nice top layer (8-12" deep) of beautiful black healthy soil with all kinds of mycelium. It is slowly helping break down the clay underneath as the bugs and worms work in the good soil and blend it with the clay. But if I dig down deep, I hit a "clay pan". I tried to plant a large shrub and it died. I think it is because in rainy season (our winter), the water works its way through the lovely dark soil and just sits in that clay pan underneath. It rots the roots and drowns the plant. I stopped planting larger items and get them smaller - like 1- or 2-year-old trees and shrubs (ex: Paw Paw, persimmon, elderberries) and plant them young, high up on a mound, mixing chopped-up clay with soil and without adding a lot to the soil beneath so I don't overstimulate the root growth until the tree is ready to "break through" the clay. I also mulch a lot because of our long hot dry summers. I think your large rock did not help as it may have interfered with the root growth, and you might test your soil. I tried to grow blueberries and they kept dying and I tested the soil and it was off-the-charts alkaline and blueberries like acid. My blueberries are now in acidic soil in pots and doing well. I even plant on top of the swales. I also plant in hügelkulturs.
@@annharlan8926 I also live in NC and we got 3 acres of red clay just like you. I've covered nearly an acre of area with about 12 inches of woodchips lol. I'm aware it won't be usable for a couple years but, it's now been about 2 years since doing that and I've added about 6 inches of compost to 4 x 8' beds. The problem is that after a rain, I can dig to the bottom of everything and there's like an inch of water just sitting there. I'm afraid all of the roots for everything will die. Any thoughts?
@@cameroneverhart6443 I suppose your best bet is try and garden on a gentle slope, that way the standing water will flow downhill at least
Course sand 50% plus 30% peat moss/coconut fibre… perlite/vermiculite 10%… rock dust, slow release fertilizer… avocados and all trees should be on a mount. Remember Forest humus is a surface phenomenon and mycelium break it down to feed plant roots
Educated, entertained, and inspired. Thank you for the talent that you bring into the arena!
It is fun and my pleasure Tom 😃
I imagine that the hole went anaerobic. It was a clay bowl that was filled with organic material, and inoculated with compost. even if it did not go fully anaerobic, it was probably hot. the active decomposition would use the organic material and starve out the plant.
as you dug, everything looked nice, and smelled nice. even the animal parts in there are gone. the hole micro-biome has equalized over time, and is probably no longer hostile. there were some roots coming in, but only a few; so plants might be finding the area now, that it has cooled off.
i wonder if you could grow something using only the soil you made at the bottom of the hole. my guess is that it is rich soil now, but was not until recently.
Perhaps the issue was that stacking the hole with lots of nutrients meant that the plant root system did not want to explore out from that small nutrient-rich area which could have stunted the growth of the root system - just a guess. Great vid!
Just plant the WEEDY GARDEN STYLE. Your awesome bro. Keep growing. That spot just might be a bad spot, or what I call a hot spot.
I thoroughly enjoy watching every video you make. Part story, part documentary, part how-to. Keep it going forever.
Been copying your methods for gardening for around 2-3months now I live in Newzealand works perfectly here.🐝 Love that you grow hemp too amazing work 👑
Interesting video, glad you share your failures as well as your success. One possible reason for the failure in that hole is you may of used to much ash making that spot to alkaline for those type of trees. If do again try with just a sprinkling of ash. You can also monitor that spot as its just grass to see how the grass is effect, whether does better or worse than surround bits.
My understanding of planting trees is we feed trees above their roots, not under them. The reason is that the roots won't feel the need to explore beyond the hole with all the nutrients right at its fingertips. This weakens trunk growth since it will have little roots as opposed to long strong roots. It's kinda proof when you redug your fig and mounded it, essentially encouraging the roots to have to find nutrition and swale water. Sidenote* mounding also helps a tree not topple over or get airpockets underneath roots and getting waterlogged.
So it's advised to give the tree a nutritious and generous mulch feed once planted.
Loved that you dug the hole to get an answer. Great videos as always!
I still like the Ellen White method and your initial video on it was amazing and beautiful.
cheers
Haha. I totally sniffed in to smell the soil. Thanks Weedy
Ellen White founded the 7th Day Adventist Church in the mid-1800's. It's interesting that the 7th Day community in Loma Linda CA USA is one of the longest-lived groups in the world. They follow a diet and exercise plan much like Weedy's: whole-food plant-based with lots of exercise. 💚
That's interesting. I did all my trees in Elken White method, and everything is thriving. How ever I didn't have clay. I did add river stones for extra drainage 1m down about 30cm depth, and also when the roots hit it they go out and down for a better root system..
At least I can build a mud brick house here if I want 🤣
Weedie I also like the funji
@TheWeedyGarden
you make good use of your lawn chippings, but if you'd be interested in not having to mow any more, i suggest planting some Dichondra. it takes a while to get established but once it gets going it makes an excellent lawn replacement and only grows 2-3inches high for the most part. it is really nice to walk and sit on, and seems to create a home for a lot of small life.
Mystified why you'd put a big stone in to block the root growth but there you are. Keep experimenting! Thanks David! PS, Fig trees get huge, glad you have the room to accommodate it.
Those roots don't care about a rock. They will grow every direction and around.
Maybe it's too much of a bath tub after wet weather because of the clay.
Isn't there an air pocket to leave in the hole. In the flashback on the Figtree I saw a piece of Agi pipe. In the hole for the hemp plant I missed that. I use upsidedown terracotta pots. I also dig a smaller hole for the tree and a deeper one next to it to drain some of the water. I think people call that a battery. In my clay dirt I also build up above the ground especially for Avocado who don't like wet feet. Last but not least I plant green manure around the tree to feed the soil a bit more.
I cut some redundant olive trees that refused to yield fruit, ground out the stumps, filled up with home made compost comprised of kitchen waste and planted 3 way plum and apple trees.
The 2 holes produced over 50 butternut pumpkins as we were harvesting them still in the soft skin stage and cooked as one would cook zucchini, skin on and seeds in, creating a continuous flowering and fruiting of the plants.
If you do this expect a great area to be covered by the constant meandering vines and you need to find the fruit before it gets mature, triggering the plant’s fruit/seed maturity demise.
Oh BTW the seeds were self germinating from butternut kitchen scraps… 🤣🤣🤣😎
In our garden we had clay and used gypsum (a sprinkling over the bottom) to help break down the clay… this mainly helped the plants not drown… with a look.
I see others have mentioned it above.
Also very keen on the ‘hemp’ experiment… what to do with it and what the process of being allowed to grow it, is…
Love your channel!
im doing permaculture on barren limestone rock with barely any topsoil, i'll be making large holes for almost all of my trees, Full of new diverse nutrient dense materials.
I love that I always learn something while watching fabulous cinematography.
This is a helpful video for the community. See, i believe two things. First, the EWM doesn't actually resemble nature. The fact alone that you have to dig a meter down and by doing that you destroy microorganisms that live there tells you alot. Second, this method might suit trees that are "pot easy" and by that i mean that if you can grow citrus in a pot, most likely you'll succeed with this method as it is a huge "earth pot"..... That being said, avocados like yours were meant to die from such a clay pool of water you just created. When in clay you want to always mound up... a meter high if it's posible. Now an additional thing.... if you look at soil, what you see on the 10-15cm (top soil) is the rich part of it... below it's just minerals... so although there are many methods to plant... nature says amendments, compost, mulch should always be on top... and the bottom is not to be disturbed.
Back in the 1800’s there would of been an extra metre of top soil minus the toxic chemicals and full of good micro biom. I imagine back then her method would of been far easier to achieve positive results from. Also in that part of the States I imagine there would of been glacial activity creating far better quality soils. For Aussie standards your living on some of our absolute best, yet our majority inc us are jack hammering or using the backhoe to penetrate drought hardened clay.
I’m LOVING at his new series and feel privileged to see your whole garden. I am missing the promised “SOIL production CONSTRUCTION VIDEO” making your composting beds. I still need to do mine and curious to see how you did yours.🙏🇦🇺
It is too simple for a full video. Metal posts and tin! Easy…oh and some screws and wire
there are some trees that can break up the clay layer
also the fat daikons are used as to bore a hole in the soil as they grow and then you let them rot further enriching the soil
you can always use a nurse tree and then plant what ever fruit tree you want under it and when the fruit tree is old enough you cut the nurse
since you dug the hole might as well experiment with it
Thanks Weedy, I enjoy all of your videos. I stumbled on the EW "Blueprint Planting Method" elsewhere then started researching as I want to plant more fruit trees. We are on essentially level ground with hard clay below very thin topsoil. We've been here 20 years and there are trees in the orchard that never got any larger since we arrived. Classic is a mandarin that looked like it just came out of a pot and only had four leaves until ecently I spread decomposing remains of a hay bale around it and regularly sprinkle cat litter (with poo removed) around it. It started growing a flush of leaves, had flowers and set fruit, though thrashing wind knocked them off. I am convinced that the EW method is not appropriate here in the clay and mounding up is the way to achieve drainage.
Incidentally, I am working on a driveway crossover reconstruction across a 1.5m deep channel. Had to use a jackhammer ti dig foundation trenches in the clay. I discovered that the fig tree in the orchard has roots that go under the channel and run alongside the road about 8m from the tree, fig does better than jackhammer at breaking through the clay!
G'day, Ive been doing the Ellen White method for many years except i had no idea there was a name for it... Ive always used "browns" when placing in organic matter and have had great success especially with my "Tomatoes" which are going gangbusters, i put it down to the decomposition process with helpful bacteria/fungi and natures release of nutes but at the same time providing good aeration for the roots to breath. Ive had random trees die for no reason that i could find and just put it down to nature, maybe it had a disease or parasite or just wasnt the pick of the litter so to speak. Keep the awesome vids coming 👍
nice to know. gotta take that “random” into account 😃
I think soil/ dirt content such as lots of rocks may be the key.. 🎉
Hi Weedy's I hv always planted my tree babies in a way like this I don't use rocks unless I find some smaller ones in the hole while digging I might add them back Never heard of Ellen white method till your videos on it I would not put in larger rocks because it creates to much heat and stops the roots freely moving to a place to get good root stability for the plant I have grown up with two generations of gardeners + I studied Horticulture, Agriculture and Nursery trade I do put a big effort into planning a tree it helps heaps Do NOT do a square hole either ! I get into the clay dig it out and back fill with top soil , laying the clay back in as well +add good organic matter + paper and Animal manure ect ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
❤ ENJOY YOUR LIVES 🥰💞💋🧡
Black wattle wood improves soil health I will add The witching grubs love it
The amazing thing about hemp is, it can grow 15 or 20 feet in less than 1 year. Perennials take 15 years typically to do that. So hemp need lots of readily available nutrients and complete nutrition(because law of minimum).
As for Ellen White holes, giggety, another factor may be when you dig up the hole you're cutting off from the mycorryzal wood wide web, this shouldn't be enough to kill it, but perennials are typically more reliant on these things than annuals especially during that 1st year of establishing itself.
So good 😊
hope your taking good care of that girl. most valuable plant in the garden.
I never used Ellen White's method, but...
1. I have terrible clay soil, right fromnthe surface and about 1.2m deep. Then it's a layer of soft rock, reaching down to more than 2m (because 2m is the deepest hole I ever made.)
2. I always dig a hole at leaste 1m x 1m x 1m. Then I mix lots of compost with the soil I remobed from the hole, fill it back up, and lastly the tree.
3. Some of my trees thrive, whiles others died as well. My fig trees and the pecan nuts do just fine in these holes. As do some indigenous, non fruit trees. Yet, all the aloes that I planted in these holes died. And my assumption was also that the holes got waterloged and the aloes drowned.
Yet, I now have another hole prepared and I want to plant and avo tree the Elen White method. So, Im quite curious as to how that will work out.
Interesting video
Fun video & thanks for sharing the experiment. Nice soil but too much work for me. I feed a family of 4 & use an easy method of planting lots & not worrying about perfection. I use a post hole digger for the tap root which takes 30 seconds but don't worry about adding too much to the soil as most roots are near the surface. Instead i focus on slash & drop mulch to make healthy trees. I plant bananas, papaw, QLD arrowroot, tumeric etc to slash & drop in rows.
You look like you're having fun experimenting which is great.
When you did the original Ellen White video, I thought it was interesting and to give it a go. Though once I started digging and dug a bit deeper into my clay level, (which is VERY close to the surface) the hole simply started filling with water draining out of the surrounding clay! So as per another commenter, I think it really depends on the ground in your local area as to whether this is a worthwhile method of tree planting. For my area, which can get waterlogged, it's much better to mound up. Though I do dig down slightly, and when on a couple of occasions nature provided firstly a kangaroo and then a fox to bury, I've dug deeper to get them under the tree!
The fig tree you planted, if water is not getting away try digging a French drain running down the hill 6 ft long 1 foot wide a foot deep blue stone 15mm diameter. might help.
I’ve gotten about 400 fruit trees into the ground via the Hellen white method, in soil with 55% clay, and only lost 6 trees. Maybe being on sloped terrain helps? Great video, thanks!
Is your clay deep…like more than half the hole? Well done 👍
Not sure about the other two trees/plants but avocados from my experience put down a long dead straight tap root and perhaps once that hits the stone it stops growing. I no longer have to deal with clay soils but here in the Liverpool plains we do get water logging so I plant in shallow pits and mound soil up. So far so good. I just need to adapt to extended frosts.
fyi part of the reason having stones in the soil is good is because the root system will send out tiny feeder roots that will penetrate the stones slightly and extract all the little extra nutrients that can cause efficiencies when missing. It prevents you having to do all those leaf diagnostics and buy things to feed the tree.
Do you ever have your soil tested... without any results, I would guess you could either use lime or gypsum. I live on a clay hill in the US and use a lot of organic matter (hundreds of woodchip truck loads)... gypsum fixes most of my problems. Ash (which I know you use) fixes 'lime' problems so I would guess that isn't your issue. One additional problem you could be running into is high 'salt' - the holes you are digging allow for leachate salts to settle in one spot (instead of 'rinsing' off and running off the property). For example, wood ash and woodchips result in more salt than you think.
Coucou
Formidable vidéo bravo 👍
A bientôt
I saw your very first video of Ellen White method and realized in that moment that my grandparents back in the Middle East planted all their trees using that method, soil around that area is barren and hardly anything grows, trees planted by my grandparents were the most fruitful and lasted the longest, I don't know why it didn't work for you but I know that the method does indeed work, I'm currently in the process of collecting all the materials to plant a tree with that method, I only need rock phosphorate now.
"soil around that area is barren and hardly anything grows" ... Maybe, just maybe that has something to do with it. Where he is in the Northern Rivers is far more fertile area, with much greater annual rainfall.
I can feel the love through the content. Cheers from Turtle Island brother.
LOVE the hat!!!
we have to plant our fruit/nut trees up on a mound . avocados need be up about a meter.
Your Swale mounds are working fine
The methane produced during the rotting process could be what was killing the plants above the hole. Might be a better idea to plant adjacent to the hole.
My observation from my own personal gardening experience and from watching your videos on this method and from reading a lot of these comments are that in your area, in your climate and with your soils, the EW method is not very practical. I believe it best suited for Rocky, sandy, free draining and low in nutrients type soils. Somewhere like the Rocky’s/colorado or the Middle East for example.
Your northern rivers, subtropical clay soils probably aren’t the best for this method. Mounds on the sloping side of swales is probably a lot more congenial and harmonious where you are.
As to why the soil didn’t smell anaerobic, was the stone too much of a barrier, why the fig tree is loving it? Your guess is as good as mine weedy 😊
Thanks for the video.
I would guess the rock is the issue, figs like restricted roots which may be why you see the difference
It seems to me to be a type of hugelkultur. The problem might be that the non composted material was absorbing too might nitrogen.
WEEDY! Can we please get the soil recipe you have for your hemp plants 🌱
Coming soon!
Love all things organic hemp!! Peace Brothers!!
from my experience in clay soil anny time i have organic matter inside of the hole where my tree goes every thing starts to rot. It is not actually that the decomposition of the organic matter kills the tree, but the micro organisms that will form in an anaerobic enviroment. Basicaly if you have sandy soil where a lot of air can get to the organic matter under the soil the anaerobic micro organisms will not have a chanse to form. But if you repeat the same experiment with clay soil the outcome will be different, since this soil can stay wet for a long time and air can not easaly pass throug, you will have a breeding ground for anaerobic micro organisms wich will then kill your tree. Of course this is dumed dow a lot. You can repeat this experiment by putting good smelling and looking compost in a glass of water and let it sit for a week, one of the first things you will notice is the smell wich will remind you of suer gases or some chemical, and now imagen your tree being in there. This is the most laekly reason why your trees died. Because your trees cannot atract and feed the micro organisms that they need in an anairobic soil enviroment.
check the PH and temperatures in the hole
It would have been interesting to see what the ph of the soil was in that area in comparison to other areas that are thriving?
2:00 Nope... In my experience Banana's don't like to sit in water at all! They get root rot very easily.
Couple of notes. E.W. Method in her own words is meant for fruit trees, banana is a grass and canabis is a plant so not for them. That rock you used is too large in my opinion and I don't see any of the gravel or small rocks at the bottom of the hole which is an important step. What you should do is do a drainage test of your hole and mound up over it if the drainage is slow. All the fruit trees on my moms property were planted this way 25 years ago and the orchard is more of a forest canopy now. I planted a lemon tree from seed this way last year and it is absolutely exploding with growth this year.
i have clay soil and have to mound all my trees ,plus they have a mote around them.to collect rain..All my fruit trees struggled until i started making the LAB you showed us..especially the potasium brew,However i think i gave too much to one of the bean plants as its turned brown and dying..
Also remember some seedlings arent as healthy as others??.There is 1 space in my garden that every plant has died..so yes maybe composite of soil and the water collection there are factors?
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You should read one of her books. I recommend "The Great Controversy"
Dude ! The critical mound method worked :) I think that’s worth mentioning near the end, I thought it may just be the fig tree being willing but I can tell the mound was important. I’m curious if the mound sunk down at all into the hole?
no sinking 👍
Absolutely love your content! Really interesting & informative. Have you used a soil blocker before? ❤🌿
No I haven’t
@@TheWeedyGarden Well I really suggest doing some research on it! One of the best ways to start your seeds! 🌿🌱
Avocados need extremely good drainage, best planted on a hill or mound.
Sir, I planted an avocado seed on a gallon container and i seldom water it. i just place it near the kitchen where our gray water runs and its still alive. One on big container and one in smaller one and they both are thriving almost 3 years i guess.my theory Sir, your avocado did not get enough water hehe.
Lol. That is not the case. We had 100 year flooding two years ago 😳
@@TheWeedyGarden okay sir hehehe.
Good morning weedy. A classic example of observing and interacting with your environment. Can’t remember from memory but could you let me know how long the wallaby was in the ground for? I found that extremely interesting.
About three years since I planted
@@TheWeedyGarden thx mate
Evolution ❤
Maybe you should plant another fig!
Any issues with your Mimosa tree (Albizia julibrissin)? I'm hoping that it works well as one of my primary N fixers
Could it be allelopathy from the other roots you found in that hole?
Any idea how deep the clay layer is?
No idea how thick it is, but it starts about 8 inches under the topsoil
Honestly I’ve found best success with HIGH permeability. Exceptional drainage and permeability to allow the roots to breathe
That big stone under the hemp could have been 3 smaller stones collectively the size of that stone. This gives way for the roots to grow around them and downwards easier. I've always planted my trees like that on different continents and in different soils and they all have grown big and strong! 1x1x1 hole is not exactly necessary! Meter deep (at least) and then the rest depends on the type of tree really, but at least 0.5x0.5m. DO NOT BURY the poor bugger too deep! In fact a bit shallow is what is needed (and some childhood "stick" support). Why the 1m depth then...purely for faster growth....give those roots some storage of food and microbial life in the soil beneath them. Make a mount AROUND it if you wish....that helps with retaining the rain water and filling said hole.
I think you missed the air can in that method. I think that was a primary component of the method.
perhaps 👍
can't do the Ellen White method here in Virginia we have clay soil
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A soil analysis from a lab would be insightful. Let us know the results if you do that.
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I wonder; if you planted your tree mounded up a foot or two or more above the existing ground level, over the Ellen White Hole, would the tree have survived?
yes for sure
@@TheWeedyGarden Thank you for the response. Boosted mi confidence to give it a go.
How is the hemp plant doing? You never uploaded the progress of the growth of the hemp plant.
Coming
This just seems like a very unnatural method to my mind. I live in a semi arid area with clay subsoil and I find gypsum mixed in with the subsoil in the hole bottom and then the plant planted and back filled with soil, a little of the gypsum mixed with mushroom compost and manure; and then covered with wood chips, manure, compost etc... works best for me.
Would you Consider Planting Pineapples, Plantain, Oranges, Lemons,
Have them and lots of 😉
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zootechnics.A remarkable masterpiece of its time, written within the framework of scientific and ethical values and tested by real agricultural experts.I am also working on a very different organic agricultural production model, I hope I can start this year. İ love you grandpa
peace....
what will you do with the hemp?
Make a bunch of CBD oil for the shelf on www.theweedygarden.com/hemp and make a new salad bowl
PH test the soil
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It's no wonder the banana died (@2:00) if you planted it in a clay hole....they like lots of water but need good drainage. You would have drowned it.
What you do is very good. It is truly a pleasure to live close to nature. And in fact, everyone starts from nature and will return to the soil in the cycle of life. The agriculture that you do is against the trend of the capitalists who use agriculture with pesticides, which destroys the food in the soil. And it takes a long time to restore the soil. Sadly, my country is controlled by a capitalist group that does not care for the environment. It causes farmers who truly lack basic knowledge. and use a lot of chemicals and in the end, it inevitably results back to consumers. Many consumers die from cancer, which is sad but true. Unfortunately, this is destroying water resources and soil fertility. The weather and environment have been destroyed and it is difficult for nature to return to normal. Plus, the original plants are gone, but GMO plants have sadly replaced them.
Yo creo que ese aguacate murio por mucha humedad en las raices
I don't come here often, so excuse me , but are you familiar with Ernest Göetch's method?
No I am not but now I will look
The avocado wouldn't have survived there however you'd planted it because they're canopy trees and can't cope with much direct sunlight for the first few years. (That's how I killed my first one and haven't killed my second.)
Not so really. I have nine others which are doing well
Do yuo have Feijoa in your Weedy Garden? :D
no I don’t have Feijoa
I didn't see any worms.
Maybe the rock was too big???
Simple clear specific detailed knowledge is inevitably contextualised and local. For your region, geology, climate, soil, and what you tried to grow, it doesn’t seem like the Ellen White method works universally well.
I grew up in your region, and found it to be generally good for most things. Figs certainly thrived😆
I’d be focussed on the profile of your soil. Good red top soil, and curse/blessing clay underneath. I think that is why this method failed.
Ellen White is insanity. With the effort it takes for a single tree, just do syntropic instead and plant 10.
What.... Ellen White method is a 1 time job compared to slashing and mulching multiple times a year every year. Syntropic sounds fun when you have a group of people involved in managing it, if your by yourself it only takes 1 season of being burnt out, injured, or traveling to make you regret your decision and cull everything. My lemon tree planted the Ellen White method took me about an hour and a half to complete and everything used was harvested on property so it was completely free, I haven't much of anything for it since planting other than water during droughts and fertilized twice with epsoma citrus food. The tree is 1 year and 1 month old now and has been exploding with growth for a few months now and will continue into the spring. I've planted plenty of tree's in conventional methods and sure they grow but if you want real explosive growth you gotta put in a little more effort in the planting stage.
@@ziggybender9125 So you get to do all that insane work for planting just 1 tree, and then come back and fertilize twice and water several times (and the tree is just 1 year old, so it could still just die), and I can't prune my trees alone "because travel"? What
@@tomatito3824 Could still just die? The thing is 3 and half ft tall with 11 total branches, every branch having new leaves forming, I don't think it's dying anytime soon. You could of course prune tree's alone.. but your question leads me to believe you don't understand the concept of syntropic planting in the same way as I do. How is it insane work? I dug a hole which is easy for average person. I used homemade compost which isn't very hard for the average person. I used leaf litter from past planted fruit trees, I'll admit I'm lucky for this as well as all the organic matter from fallen fruits for the compost. Collect a few rocks from around the property and mix in some citrus fertilizer. It's important to remember Ellen White was using what was readily available to her and can be modified to what you have available and still take advantage of a few of the concepts that the average person (you) don't seem to understand.
@@ziggybender9125 In lots of places digging 1mt3 hole isn't even doable, let alone doing it for each tree.
And yes, plants sometimes simply die (it's even in the video! did you watch it?), so be careful and don't get too cocky. It's much easier to let nature pick the winners, we aren't god.
@@tomatito3824 Hey did you read my comments? I already pointed out that the method is meant for fruit trees, I don't care if plants grow or not in the method. Bye.
I wonder about this Hungarian guy, while I am one i don't know his name, and he also worked around Ellen's time. So, he could move and replant middle aged large trees. They called him around the world. He must know stuff. I think i will look after if he left any knowledge behind. If not, we stay with dead kangaroos.
this is one "rabbit hole" that didn't lead anywhere... I'm a bit saddened to see people aiming to find alchemist-type solutions, all while completely ruining soil horizons, and killing most, if not all, living microscopic organisms that cannot survive at other depths. It almost doesn't even matter what happens with the substrates, thought that can also add to the problems, but a soil where a lot of stuff was turned on its head, isn't anything to recommend.
... just let the mother trees plant with the assistance of the birds and insects. You'll find you have what you need when you and the land connect. Hopefully the next generation will sing rather than toil on the land, toil courses, toil books and be distracted by "foreign".... lemon myrtle will work in your dugout
I’m backpacking with my misses until end of March. Then coming back to NSW- I need a job Weedy!! Fancy hiring a 6’5 English lad with PR in Oz? Part time comedian and full time permaculture enthusiast!