Real World Lessons Learned | Ducati XDiavel Review
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- Real World Lessons Learned | Ducati XDiavel Review: Having ridden the mighty Ducati XDiavel for nearly a month in all sorts of weathers and conditions I've become pretty familiar with the pros and cons of the bike. In this video I tell you the lessons I have learned about Ducati's bruising cruiser - both the good and the not so good points....if you're interested in the XDiavel, this video is for you!
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An admirably honest review and conclusion. A very rare thing on CZcams.
Thank you Ewen, I’m no expert it’s just my opinion, and this one wasn’t for me....
@@TheMissendenFlyer As you're a Ducati fan-boy I was surprised by your relatively negative conclusion. I also respect your honesty. I hope Ducati do as well.
Ewen Bruce
@@TheMissendenFlyer I think you're probably more of a expert by now than quite a few 'proper' motoring journalists.
Spot on Ewen well said mate
I’ve owned an xDiavel S since first launched and am still very much in love with the bike. I frequently ride the bike between the UK and Valencia, normally covering the trip across Spain in one hit. I don’t have any issue with forward pegs or a bad back, although my backside gets a tad uncomfortable in the final few hours (normal on any bike). The Termi exhaust system will give you more noise than you’ll know what to do with.
And on a final note, too many people comment here, knowing nothing about this bike or ever owning one!
I’m about to make a 700-800 mile trip from Northern California to Portland Oregon and back and seeing your comment has me reassured I got this!!!! All for the “TERMI!”
@@domburney7 how was the comfort of your trip?
May i ask how reliable is it .. found a 2016 xdiavel s for good price and diavel 1260 2019 i dont know which one to pick
I agree 1000%
@@saituo take the X!!!! I had an Diavel and now I am very happy with x . It is one of a kind. Best sitting postion
Stands beside 18ft high bike - "It's not intimidating"
Did it make you say that?
Blink twice for yes...
Great honest review, exactly what we want to hear, the good and the bad!
Excellent review: comprehensive and above all honest. Thanks TMF 👍
Another excellent review with a nice twist: you sitting on the bike. Since I'm 5'7" with a 30" inseam it gives me a real appreciation for the riding position. It really hits home seeing the feet forward, shoulders slightly forward position rather than if you just said your feet are forward and that causes back pain after a while. Thanks.
Cracking review - very useful observations sir ! Well edited, compelling viewing.
excellent honest review - that's why I watch your channel!
I love the honesty backed up with legitimate feelings and concerns. You’re the man TMF.
Thank you!
Im glad I'm not the only one who thinks this bike is hard to ride after an hour or so, I keep thinking of putting the mid pegs on and an aftermarket seat to get rid of some of the pain. The 2016 rocket 3 roadster is night and day when it comes to touring comfort.
Bang on conclusion and precisely why I backed out of both the Diavel and the new Rocket: once the novelty has worn off, you’re basically left with a very expensive garage ornament.
That description could apply to all the custom cruiser style bikes or even motorcycles in general these days.
Paul, you're missing out ! While I haven't been on the X Diavel I do own a Diavel 1260 . The diavel line has been a homerun for Ducati. And review after review on the Internet indicates that. Everyone loves the power and comfort of these bikes. Lastly I have owned cruisers and sportsbikes and my Diavel is truly my favorite. Go on a demo one of these days
This is the xDiavel which is a totally different beast to the Diavel 1260. Take a look at Jaret Campisi's Diavel 1260s review.
Excellent review I appreciate your honesty and straightforward approach...
Thank you!
Cruiser back! I had a 2006 Wide Glide Harley Davidson for six years, beautiful bike but bad back after a while and in the wind you find yourself pulling forward so aching neck and arms. Back on ordinary normal bikes now, don't feel as cool but can ride all day and enjoy the ride.
Refreshing to hear such detail and honesty from a foundation of knowledge in a bike review. A different review from all others.
Thank you!
Really a quality review Mr Flyer! Cheers and have a great weekend!
Thanks Rutger - you too!
Great review, chap and congratulations on the 150k subscribers!
Thank you for noticing!
Love my Xdiavel S and for me the seating position is perfect. I had much more pain on long rides with my Bmw R1200R.... very individual as you said.
Thank you, as always, for your honest review.
Nice honest review - well done!
Fab review as always thanks again 👀👍
Yep, your review confirms my preconceptions. Not a bike for me. Thanks for the honest review - a valuable resource.
It’s a sunny day bike. You hit the nail on the head TMF 👍
Have just sold my Diavel Carbon White after two years of ownership and I, like you, found that on the throttle in corners the front end was looking to drift wide.
After an hour or so the riding position coupled with the vibration was doing my back in. But I am an old git!
It’s a hefty old price for the X but one like mine you would get for less than half of the twenty grand they’re asking.
Can’t disagree with your review as an honest opinion though.
Glad we concur Ken - and here was me thinking we were going to scrap over this one!
Did wonder if you were going to ride your Diavel on an epic road trip to GC.
Banditmanuk That was an initial plan but decided against it as I’d probably have found myself wrapped around some Armco!
I’m here just now organising for the move in April.
Nice little mid-range bike is ideal for here as you know!!
@@kennethmccurdie5833 Ha ha, back on the CBF then? Hope you are enjoying retirement
Banditmanuk Last day of working is the 27th of next month, but it won’t come too soon.
Very honest and concise review
Another great honest review. Thank you. I would love to hear your thoughts on Ducati's 950 hypermotard.
I've been looking forward to this review for ages, thank you, I agree with everything you say, 100% spot on. But Ducati have a secret room no one knows about and when the bike's built, they wheel it in there and breathe fire into it, I've just bought one and I LOVE it, I'm proud to own it and ride it, I have other bikes too but I think you buy it with your heart and not your head. Ps, mine came with a VERY loud exhaust 😊🙈, cheers.
Glad we concur Jonathan and glad you’re enjoying the bike - I agree and think all bikes should be heart purchases!
One of the downsides with belt drive is the 10-15% (depending on the setup) power los, while a chain only has 1-4%. It's also much more expensive. But a lot less work to maintain.
Belt drives are quieter and that may be the reason for their use. Environmental laws regulate sound and once they quiet the engine the chain can become very noisy at high revs. I hears this is why HD began using belts on some models.
@@anthonyrosa5006 That's interesting. I didn't know that. I never even thought about the noise level of a chain, but it makes sense. An old chain often is stretched unevenly, and will smack the swingarm as it tensioning. At high speeds, that is a lot of times per minute and a lot of energy.
I have owned both the diavel (chain drive) and the X diavel (belt). And really, honestly, in the real world that % loss is just a statistic. I know the bikes engines are set up differently but believe me, you don't miss those %'s
I owned a standard Diavel, back in 2011, just after they came out. Interesting to hear, you've got the same views about the X Diavel that I had with my standard bike. Got rid of it after 18 months and 2000 miles on the clock. While another bike I had did 2000 miles in 4 days!!! Great rounded review as ever, keep up the good work.
Cheers Rob - came looking for you on the Honda stand on Sunday but couldn't see you??
@@TheMissendenFlyer I was running the Rolling road Africa Twin DCT demo all weekend.....When the bike had a cool down I had a quick break from the stand.
Great honest review
I have enjoyed these videos, I must say I own an xdiavel s and as yet have never had back issues when on long rides etc! The feet forward defo took some getting used but for Sunday rides what I do it is soooooo comfortable and great to chill on or blast!
Glad to hear it - I guess we can't all like the same stuff, just not for me this one....
More this type of review Please. This is real truth talk. Appreciate it.
Thanks for an honest review TMF. Mirrored my thoughts after a few test rides. Other thing I noticed was really firm ride so not for me. I went for a Rocket 3 instead. Ticked my boxes but even longer wheelbase need set up bike early for corners. Can’t wait for your review of the Rocket.
Coming soon(ish)!!
Good review, thanks.
Thanks for watching!
Nice honest review 👍
Good point regarding the seating position and putting weight on your lower back and Coccyx. I always thought that position would be comfy but makes sense now you’ve explained. They do look beasts on the road. Only seen one though. Keep up the honest reviews. 👍
Will try my best! Thanks for watching....
I bought a 2021 XDivel Dark, I've just broken it in with 1,600 mi. I wasn't in the market for a bike until I saw a picture of this bike on the internet and fell in love with it. I'm 62 and have had Harley's since 19 my first was a 68 FLH stripped, I've had suicide shift choppers, and a new 1990 Fat Boy... I absolutely love this Ducati and have nothing bad to say about it....
That's great news - enjoy!
Excellent review!!
Thank you....
Bloody hell T shirt time in this cold ol weather! You bloody hero!
It was a rare sunny winters day!
Ha! Was thinking the same thing what a dude.
Have this exact bike and all the comments are spot on. You have however been plagued with terrible weather not suited to the bike so hope you have a chance to review in the dry as it’s a top banana bike in the dry
Yes not a great time of year for this type of bike - agreed!
great honest and personal review tmf. that said it shouldn’t put anyone off buying one.. just make them aware of the little things that reviewers don’t always tell you. motorbikes are very personal things.. each to their own and all that. keep up the good work 👍🏻
Yes I agree - these are only my opinions and I’m no more right than the next person!
Great review
Had a good look at one of these incredible machines in Wheels Honda Leicester yesterday. Unbelievably huge back tyre...bigger than my Peugeot 106 diesel tyre. If I had a larger garage and a bit of money in the bank I would be very interested in one.....
Yet another excellent honest review. The bike will appeal to the cruising fraternity I'm sure but it wouldn't have been for me. I would imagine that standing is either impossible or downright dangerous and that would take away a lot of the pleasure I used to get from more normally pegged machines. Roll on the Rocket 3!!
I've had mine about 6 months and as much as I loved it it killed my back after a few hours! I started having doubts and remorse . However I fitted the rearset controls (right under your hips, not the mid set) and an extra high seat. I cannot overstate how much it has transformed the whole experience, now it's a masterpiece. I think TMF comments are valid but change the set up and it's a completely different machine. I have fallen in love with it again and would definitely recommend but the rear set controls and extra high seat are essential.
Good news k! Would love a go with mid set pegs...
@@TheMissendenFlyer rear set! The mid set are only 40mm back.
I stand corrected!
If you're ever in the new forest your welcome to have a go, we have beautiful routes around here
These long term reviews are really good
Thank you....
Good honest review. Look forward to your thoughts on the new Rocket 3 now you've ridden the XDiavel.
Stay tuned!
As an XDiavel owner it's hard to disagree with most of your points except for what you say about the handling. I have never run wide in corners on mine. Nor had issues with tramlining. This bike will out corner any cruiser on the market including the Rocket 3. It sounds and rides like an absolute beast with the termi exhaust. But without it, it looks like Rambo but sounds like Frodo.
Well I’m not used to riding cruisers so it’s probably just down to me - I know in the right hands they do handle, but as someone used to a more conventional position I struggled a little. Glad we concur on the other points! Thanks for watching....
I'm with you Mike, I have a Diavel 1260 and these bikes handle incredibly well. I still appreciate a good review and this was a good one none the less.
great review, you captured the good and bad spot on. I liken riding my X to surfing a point break, wildly exhilarating! and a little scary all at the same time. I will be installing the mid-mount pegs. Trail breaking right to the apex certainly helps keep a tighter line in the twisties with the rake and longer wheelbase of this bike. I can relate to your but clenching moment. Keep up the great work.
Cheers Peter!
Spot on, the only genuinely accurate review to date. I stated the reasons my mate and I I sold my Diavel and his XDiavel in your initial review so wont repeat, but will say we changed exhausts because they are so tame for such a bike and fitted tail tidies which puts the number plate under the back of the seat so cured (ish) the wet back problem. Word of warning though, illegal sized plates must be used or the indicators / stop lights are obscured! I own several feet forward cruisers, Harleys, Victory, Indian etc and can honestly tell you the only one that is comfortable on long rides is the Yamaha 1700 Warrior. It is fast too, mine has the same size rear wheel as it's a Custom and is as long but handles far better. The brakes are brilliant too (R1 derived front end). Much cheaper than all competitors despite being MUCH better, MT-01 based engine so will last forever so try one before spending a fortune.
Hi Paul, I too owned a Warrior and do not feel it can compare to a Diavel. If your only looking at price, a Warrior is an awesome bike. But, lets talk about all the technology, the looks and the fact that the Warrior isn't even being made anymore. I rather pay 10k for a used Diavel 1260 than 6k for a used Warrior...No comparison!
Thank you for an honest review. I'm a Ducati fan but comfort and ride-ability come first.
Honestly Xdiavels are mainly for fun, stay away from this bike if you want comfort. But let me just say you'll have the biggest smile on this bike if you just ride short distances.
Great review on the bike. Being an owner of an Xdiavel I do agree with some of the cons you said. All these items you noted can be corrected. You just have to spend money to a new motorcycle. With the weight ratio to a power cruiser from Ducati noting compares.
Great review....do you have one for the Diavel of the non-X type?
Great review Tmf thanks from Danny
I’m taller and older yet I find the X- diavel one of the finest bikes I have every ridden. Yes I had pains in my back when I first started riding one, yet over time the pain has passed away. If you want your feet to be in the middle get the Diavel but I like the feet forward that’s the whole point of the bike, it’s a cruiser not a muscle, café racer or enduro and it does a very good job of being a sport cruiser.
I would be interested to hear your view of the newer diavel 1260 compared to this.
Its refreshing to hear someone actually tell the truth for a change. Congratulations sir you have earned my respect, that is something that can not be purchased. Keep it up sir... I will be watching.... :)
Thank you Jon, I do try and be honest in all my reviews - it is only my opinion though of course and I’m not saying mine is any more valid than anyone else’s.
Why more bikes don't use belt drive is a mystery to me. Mine (BMW F650CS) needs no maintenance at all and as I ride every day through winter it makes a massive difference for little power offset.
I bought my XDiavel back in 2016. I had to fit mid peg controls, Termi exhaust, Nitron R2 rear shock and Rapid Bike evo. I suspect that if you rode my bike you would have loved it. Took it around the Nurburgring and it was great
Yes quite possibly - thanks for watching...
@TheMissendenFlyer - Tyre pressures are vitally important on the Diavel. I run my Diavel at 42 psi R and 40 psi F. If you still have the bike try these pressures and see what a difference it makes to the handling. My Diavel can be flicked around through tight bends (as many riders around here have remarked).
Spot on - if you fall into the mid 30s with the pressure the bike wants to stand back up in turns. Higher pressure lets the bike fall nicely into the corners.
That color is awesome! I love my XDiavel. But this color is 🔥
I'm not sure I;m a fan on this particular bike.....
Great review and you hit the nail on the head re once the novelty had worn off. Still love the look of the bike though!
Me too!
I had the same issue with my back. Good for a short time ride 👍🏻
Glad it wasn't just me!
Thanks Andy.
Very interesting review, thank you for that! I was wondering about something - you emphasized your dislike for the forward controls (we're on the same page in that regard). From that I guess you haven't spent much time on heavy cruisers and when I think of other reviews and opinions on the Diavel's handling I remember them to be quite enthusiastic - especially seasoned "feet forward guys" described the Ducati as a "sportsy" bike like experience for them. Could it be that the "going wide on some corners" roots more in your not being used to this kind of bike or does it really stiffen up in an unnatural way (read: way too much) at higher speeds? Thanks again for all your hard work, Michael
Yes I think you could well be right Michael.
Hi, I like your video and overall rating of the bike. I would like to see your comparison of X diavel and Diavel 1260 (s). That would be interesting :)
There is a reason these things are "rare"....... fair play to you for the honest appraisal
Good color scheme!
Hey MissendenFlyer. It's kids, hope you're well
I watch your review and decided that your negatives were not a problem for me so I went and put down a deposit on one today. I have always loved big heavy bikes and am the proud owner of an 04 Rocket 111, which I have had for just over 6 years now. Spent way too much money on her and we will never be parted, K&N air filters, full Maxton suspension front and rear, Dave Platt outlaw exhaust and more little things than I can even remember.
I was looking for something just for me that was a bit more manageable, if I want to go two up I will use the Rocket. This bike was a steal at £14,999 brand new from Riders out of Bridgewater. Could not help myself, didn't even need a test ride as I tested a Diavel last year and loved the engine and sitting on this I new it was perfect for me. I am 6 foot 3 and big with it:) Can't wait for my first ride on her, just hope my Rocket doesn't get too jealous!
Thanks Andy, yes you summed that up perfectly and confirmed everything I was thinking. A nice looking bike but not for me either.
Agree. Options are limited considering the cost etc.
Great review TMF matches what everyone I’ve met that has one says too. Seems like a good idea at first and then 3 hours from home you’re ass reminds you this bike ain’t built for day long rides.
Great looking machine. What a pearler.
I want and need this with every fibre of my being 😂
But why ? Did you not just watch the review ? Are your eyes painted on ??
william smith because he likes the bike.. just because tmf isn’t blown away by it, that doesn’t mean everyone won’t be. tmf gave an honest opinion on what he thought were negatives... an opinion is a personal thing.. it doesn’t make him right. if we were all to ride what we’re told on youtube, you’d probably only see a handful of different bikes on the road.
@@andyjackson5 Hi Andy. I think we are exploring here the madness of love. William thinks he loves the bike. Sounds like he may not have actually ridden it, perhaps he will tell us?
Glad to see Andy can't be bought, even after a months loan of a top of the range Ducati. Refreshing.
I prefer it to the rocket ! Looks so cool.i bet she goes like a beast !!
Any chance at a similar video for the new Triumph Rocket 3?
Coming soon! Stay tuned....
Thanks for the honest review TMF............War of Worlds "Tripod" looking to attack you! (Low sun & shadow)
great review.. but in all honesty I don't like the see the LED switch gear on all bikes.. it just adds another thing to the bikes to increase the price tags
On the basis of this very thorough review I can conclude I ride far too much to ever want one of these...
I have already bought one without driving it it will be dilvert in November I hope it will be fit
Having owned one for 3 years I agree on some points.
Pot holes transmit major shock to ones back.
Riding in the rain destroys the confidence inspiring handling, I put this down to the riding position and part worn rear tyre.
You do get a different rear seat and sissy bar for pillion use which you failed to mention.
I’ve never run wide into fast corners but do find small roundabouts interesting as the wide bars go so far away!
Cleaning not the easiest bike, especially Matt black.
Worn tyres make big difference to ease at which the bike tips in. Fresh rubber on mine transformed it.
I find exhaust plenty loud enough when winding on power above 6k rpm, variable valves must come into play!
Good review tho TMF think you should have got the use of one in the summer though as better weather is where it really performs.
Keep up good work.
Thank you Andy!
Thanks. You just talked me out of buying the xdiavel haha. Its not a bad thing, atleast I am aware that it will not work for my needs before I buy it.
Great, honest review as usual. That bike looks great and I'm sure it is a performer, but it isn't for me either. That riding position is one thing that would kill it for me. It's too expensive for just a short ride now and then.
Ducatis actually always been my favorite
Gotta love Ducati's!
Interesting colour...almost the same i have on my Vespa 300😊. I always had a soft spot for Ducatis...but this bike is not my cup of tea. Nevertheless keep up the good work.
Best regards from Germany
By the way...try to make a review of a Vespa 300. Nothing better in urban areas!
Nice vid. As you say a real beast & very cool. Although I agree & would go for the standard over the X due to the foot peg position & cruiser ergos. Those rear plate hangers are rubbish, look ok but make spray etc worse. Katana's the same.
How many horsepower does this one have?
Is there a difference between xdiavel S and this one?
Great review as usual. I am an older guy Who has only started riding 12 months ago. I am currently riding a new learner legal Ducati Monster here in Australia and am looking to move to something more powerful. The Xdiavel has always appealed but maybe is too much bike for a newby (but sensible) rider. The alternative is a Multistrada 950s although I have no interest in off road adventure riding. I do most riding around town and short trips but am planning some longer touring type rides all on bitumen. Thoughts?
Touring not good in this position IMO - short rides fine
As a fairly recent "standard" Diavel "Dark" owner, I agree totally with your conclusion, with the "X" version sharing many of the negatives of the standard one that I had. I would add another negative, which is the non-existent front mudguard - I mean.......what is the point of that!?
With hindsight I bought mine with my heart rather than my head and was rather seduced by the Diavel's stunning (in my opinion) looks. However, after the honeymoon period reality and doubts soon crept in.
I found the seat uncomfortable after about 45 minutes, with no room to move around when your rear-end goes numb, the engine vibes were very noticeable and obtrusive. Also, like you, I could never find neutral gear when the bike was stationary and I spent all my time going up-down up-down between 1st and 2nd....that very soon became a real pain. I thought it would get better as the mileage increased, but it didn't. For me, handling was also an issue, with that big back tyre deciding where it was taking you rather than vice-versa. I mentioned the lack of front mudguard - it would throw all the road crud straight at the front of the engine and in through the radiator grilles, where it is impossible to clean without taking things apart. All in all, a fantastic looking bike.......BUT!!
After 6 months I sold the Diavel and got a Yamaha FJR1300AE, which was the opposite to the Diavel (i.e. better) in almost every respect.
Great and honest review. I’m put off now.
Do not be put off by his opinion form one yourself by riding the bike. Had mine since 2016 and do not suffer the issues that he speak of
Very detailed and right on the money. Great bike... but I'll take the straight-up Diavel over the XDiavel any day.
Very pretty bike, but I have no use for a “bar hopper/pub crawler”. If I am going to be uncomfortable after an hour I would prefer it to be on a track. On public roads my old bones prefer a bit of comfort. Great review TMF!
Peace!
All well and good but when are we going to see your Rocket 3 review? Took the R out last week and it has a very naughty engine! GT next week but would love to hear your opinions of it.
I’m working on it! Stay tuned!
This bike is for cruising down the Tiber and peeling off to the Piazza Navona for an Espresso, not down Snake Pass for a pint; at which it would be excellent.........IN RED! My mate does just that on his......loves it......so definitely ‘horses for courses’. Good honest review!
100% - For expert riders I’m sure it’s great, just not for me....
TheMissendenFlyer me neither, and I’ve been riding since I was 13 (47 years).
I know I’ve mentioned it before and I don’t want to bang on to much but you really need to try some of the little 250 2 strokes. I had an RGV 250 and it was the most fun I’ve ever had on any bike. Utter 250 stroker on the twisty’s heaven. Big bikes just don’t compare. Very light 2 stroke power band fun. Please review some of those bikes. I think you’d have an absolute blast.
It’s probably not too easy for you to get hold of these bikes so whatever. But reviewing some old classics might boost the channel?
I dunno.
Love your stuff anyways 👍🏻
This was high on my wish-list. Your comments make a lot of sense and I'm moving on. Maybe a Streetfighter? -;) Definitely would prefer a belt, however.
It depends on what you want: the xdiavel is a power cruiser, while the streetfighter is a naked superbike with more relaxed ergos. I just got a streetfighter 1098 and I love it!
Would the standard diavel (not the X) actually be better in this case?
Possibly....
Honest review as usual, what a beast. I think i could live with it.
Diavel looks cool, I do quite like it. To me the Rocket 3 looks cooler .
All of these types of bike, it's the manual handling weight I find intimidating.
I find pushing around my ( 215 Kg wet) Speed Twin enough of a slog, I quite like the lightness of my ( 187 kg wet ) Street Triple 660cc . I miss pushing around my 126 Kg CB125R ! That was easy.
However I've got to get me a test ride on at least a Rocket 3 ...