Do Not Lift Your 4Runner ... Overland Build Recommended Geometry Fix - Do Not Lift Without This
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- čas přidán 5. 06. 2024
- Lifting your 4Runner creates a variety of issues. I recommend that you do not lift your 4Runner without first considering each of these. In this video, I discuss a geometry fix that will correct instability and bump steer.
Don't tighten the bushing bolt until you are sitting at ride hight. You will wear the bushing out prematurely twisting it too much. Never tighten bushing bolts until the suspension is sitting at ride hight. I see so many people skipping that step.
would it be bad to do this process with the vehicle sitting on the ground under weight?
@@johnanderson7485 That's the way to do it. Sitting at ride hight.
I Dk the answer BUT ..the devil is in the details.that is a fact ,Jackson!
@@wbwills2 ....say what?
Lol I lifted my 4runner 3 inches, she looks pretty cool! This is fantastic advise on this. I had no idea, thank you for the video
Trying to share what I learn in the school of hard knocks 🙌
Dude! Follow your channel and bought a 4Runner partly because of your praises for it.
I have no plans for lifting my 4runner. That said this is a GREAT video, right to the point, diagrams, slow direct instructions, and light humor. it has it all.
I'm watching it and don't even own an offroad vehicle HA I build cars but I really enjoy the content!
Thank you Aaron
Great video. Ironically it was when building my bagged minitruck suspension that I learned about the importance of long arms and the angles on everything. All the same basic principals no matter if lifting or lowering.
You’re spot on Jake. A lot of shops and lift mfrs don’t tell you about geometry correction, bump stop extensions, or the CRITICAL extended break lines. 🙌
Love the banter between you two brothers. It's always the perfect mix of valuable insight mixed with dry sibling pokes and 'jabbery' at each other. It would be just a compelling to watch you two going back and forth on picking out which socks are best to buy and why. Or better yet, I could see a segment where you two go to the barbershop. You could call it "Haired Down." Thanks for sharing guys.
😂 thank you
That was excellent. I’ve been wondering about this issue ever since I completed my lift.
Drkdss did us all a solid by creating this (No, I’m not sponsored); worth the money
Really nice job explaining the why’s and the how’s of doing that install. I was also impressed with how you can see the numbers on the torque wrench while still wearing your glasses.
If I squint I can just make out the torque wrench numbers 😄. Thx for the kind words. 👍🏻
No plan to life mine, but I stayed to watch the whole video anyway. Well done, and now I know. Thank you!
Thanks for checking it out 🙌
This is very cool of you to do this video!! Thank you, from someone who is looking to eventually lift their 4 runner safely!!
Very happy you enjoyed it Jason 🙌
Perfect instructions ! It took me less than an hour. Thank you. It was super helpful to go through the required tools at the beginning.
Happy it was helpful 🙌
That's an easy way to explain why you see some vehicles distorted to a side or another after the owner lifted up. Tks and cheers from Costa Rica.
Thanks 🙏
Bro, Love the Props and penmanship. Extremely Educational.
Thanks! It’s just me trying to trying to help the off-roading community 🙌
Actually this finally explains why I have some bump steer on my RC crawler. My pan hard rod is almost 45 degree angle. Thanks!.
Glad it helped
Great video. I suspect a lot of folks miss important steps like this when lifting their 4runners.
They sure do!
@@aired-downoverland9239hi there were did you get your correction brackets from
@@aired-downoverland9239 question, I have not done the suspension on my 1992 toyota 4runner, but looking at it, the lift has a drop bracket for the pan hard bar on the right side instead of a bracket raising it up on the left side, would this be incorrectly done then? Also my shocks are behind the springs are these done wrong as well, because I see yours are in front of your springs?
Great call, thanks. Ordered the fix. Installing asap.
It’s a super easy install. Don’t forget to double torque. 👍🏻👍🏻
Great video! There is a very noticeable difference in vehicle stability after doing a panhard correction. I saw a rig with a broken panhard bar once and it was like watching a cartoon car. The caboose of that rig was like a slinky ha ha! The white paint was a good pro tip!
Thanks OPNW, great rig BTW
@@aired-downoverland9239 I find the lack of brotherly-snark in this comment thread disgusting.
@@TrailTape I AGREE! He’s acting all business like; he’s being a turd blossom. In fact he edited this video and took out all my slams. Did you notice it’s his rig we’re working on 😄
@@TrailTape Best comment ever! I laughed out loud!
My 4Runner never had a panhard. Probably best to leave it of instead of at a weird angle. 😊
II also removed the front stabilizer cause it was falling off.
Drives like always.
Bumpsteer, roll steer and wheel hop are all worse with solid axles compared to independent suspension. These are among the dozens of things that independent suspension helps to correct.
The other thing about that panhard bar not being level is that your axle is moved to the right and will no longer be centered under your vehicle. The panhard rod helps keep it centered but it does move through an arc .
Absolutely. The most unsettling bumpsteer is the one that hits at 75 mph on the freeway 😳. It’s an eye opener.
2 weeks later I got it all installed and WOW! I didn’t even realize it drove so iffy before. It’s a must do in my opinion. Really made the rear end feel tight to the frame of that makes sense.
Great video
Thanks Garcia, I totally agree 🙌
where i can get this kit? what the name?
@juliuscafe it's a panhard correction kit they have bolt on or weld on options. I can't remember where i got mine but I went with weld on
I installed some bigger OME springs in the rear on my '97 4runner and always wondered why my rear end felt wonky. Looking into lifting my 5th gen and wont make the same mistake. Thanks for the insight!
Life is filled with, “I wish I knew that before I…” 😄🙌
2023 TRD ORP with KDSS. Mine handles great, very little off road so far with 1200 miles but a marked improvement over my 2016 SR5 Premium. I'll keep the OEM suspension . Thanks for your overview.
Congrats on the 2023 🙌
I installed this on my lifted GX470 and wow, what a significant difference it makes!
Awesome, love to hear others having the save positive experience I had 🙌
Going to look into this, I have an 02 3rd gen 4runner with a 2.5 lift and my VSC and VSC Trac off light now on. I'll be checking my abs wires and sensors too
I think that’s the right approach, the wires and sensors are small. Hope you find the culprit. 🙌
Bought a 3rd gen 4runner that had been lifted by previous owner.... I noticed the rear shimmy right away, added a Sonoran Steel adjustable panhard and it made a huge difference.
That’s awesome. Keep in mind an adjustable panhard, like yours and mine, will help center the axle but won’t correct the geometry issues caused by a panhard with an angle between the axle and frame. 👍🏻👍🏻
very nice of you to share. I have a 2004 that we bout with a 2" lift already on it. Ill check it out. Thanks for the help. God bless to you and your family my friend.
Great Job Sir!! Thanks For Caring And Sharing!! 🙂🙂🙂
PCKs have been around forever. Most people have no idea this is even an issue and don't do it because you have to weld it in. DRKDSS makes fabulous engineered components. This bolt-in kit is a no brainer.
SPOT ON BBP! 🙌
Just wish we had a bolt on PCK for 3rd gen 4runners. Only one I've found is a weld on and I don't weld (yet).
@@christophersmith9963 Yeah, I hear ya. You should send an email to drkdss.com and see if he’s working on one.
@@christophersmith9963 one day maybe, unfortunately, it's not just a signal unit bolt on design since both ends of the panhard have to be moved.
Where can I find this exact kit?
I can absolutely vouch for this, once I got my PCK it was like night and day difference, all the sudden it handles like it’s on rails again
Thanks for dropping the comment Seattle808, and very happy to hear your experience matches my own. 🙌
Hey, great video! Definitely useful information. Where did you buy the panhard correction bracket? Wasn't able to find that exact on online. Please help 😅
I have a 3rd gen 02 4 runner that's lifted 2.3 inches in front and 2 inches in back. Never looked at this before but haven't had issues. I did however change the front bushings on sway bar/steering rack and man steering is awesome tight and responsive.
What exact suspenion lift did you get? I have a 2002 Toyota 4runner 2wd that I want to lift. Seems all the lifts are 3inch lift.
Bilstein 5100 both front and back. Front is adjustable height. You could actually go 2.5 adjustable height in front and 2 inch back. I have medium duty springs in the back old man EMU the back never really sags even when loaded.
Learn something new everyday. Thanks for the video
Me too 👍🏻👍🏻
Kept my FJ bone stock. Love it.
It should always come down to what your intended use for your vehicle is. A stick rig won’t get where mine will. A more built rig will get further than mine, etc. I think people should start with a plan in mind of what they’ll be doing with their rig.
Sweet thx! I need to do mine, i can definitely feel a shimmy if i go over a sharp dip in the street. 👍
Ordered
You’ll notice an immediate difference, and I personally love an easy install. 🙌
@@aired-downoverland9239 man you weren’t kidding. I noticed immediately, just installed it. Before the correction kit the steering felt SO light and I noticed that after the 3in lift but didn’t think anything of it until i hit that first dip and the steering went bonkers. This makes it feel factory again for sure. Money well spent.
@@--RSL-- OUTSTANDING! I love hearing that. 🙌
Scared me brother, literally purchased my suspension kit last night before seeing this video 😂 but I’ve got the pan hard correction kit added to the order, thanks for the awesome info!
Just trying to help the awesome off-roading community 🙌
Hi. Thanks for the video. You definitely taught me something new. 👍
Happy it helped 🙌
This was a very informative video…I just bought a 4ROR a few weeks ago and am looking to upgrade suspension and tires and would have overlooked this important step, so thank you!
Glad it helped 🙌
excellent science and data... thank you for sharing ❤️
Happy to share, and love helping small budding businesses that create innovative items like this.
Excellent camera man as well! Where do you find such talent!
@@OverlandPNW so true!
Great video and a very overlooked fix. PCKs should be standard with lift kits in my opinion. I do question if the PCK should have been torqued with the vehicle in the air though. Shouldn’t it be tightened with the vehicle on the ground at normal ride height so the bushing doesn’t get distorted like you would do for control arms?
Torque on the ground, full load, is always best. I do it in the air because I have a lift and it’s way easier to video…and I hate rolling around on the ground to wrench on my rig. Marking the hardware with a paint pen is standard for me, and I don’t think I’ve ever had something I torque loosen up. That said, you’re still spot on, always best done on the ground.
Should be torque on the ground for the main trac bar bolt only if you have oem/ stock style bushing which are designed for oem range of motion as it will deflect. Poly bushings and Heim joints can be torque down any where.
Thank you for the content, love all your videos. Question, who makes this correction kit?
Dr. KDSS makes it.
You can get it at drkdss.com; the quality is exceptional, he includes grade 8 hardware.
Just ordered. Man I’ve needed this for a while now. Can’t wait to get it installed.
Awesome!
Where’d you order the kit from?
What brand did you go with?
Thanks for the informative video!
Happy to help
"I like air impact tools, they sound cool...fun to use..."
This statement alone made me subscribe 😅
Haaa, thx 🙏 🙌
Given you lifted your 4runner a year ago, I am assuming you got tired of bump steer??? ;-) Great to see another video from you!!
Yes, it’s been driving me crazy. I bought the weld in bracket almost a year ago, but didn’t like the idea of it. As for the video delay: laptop died, corrupted video files, torn left meniscus…it’s been a rough year 😉
Great video, great info. Which leads me to a two part question. Do reputable shops that do lifts on 4 Runners perform or recommend this fix? And how does a lift as well as this fix effect a factory warranty? Thank you advance sir
Does not affect warranty at all. Most shops will recommend it if they know what they are doing.
Easy fix. Dr Kdss has a bolt on correction kit. Works great!
Agree! DRKDSS did a great job on the design and fit/finish of this kit. I’ve had the weld in bracket for a while but glad I never installed it.
Where can I find this?
@@EvolBobby drkdss.com
After having installed OME springs and billsteins about 2 years ago, I now find this video 🥲. Great video though. I now know why I always feel like my vehicle feels so weird. Out of the hundreds of videos I watched about aftermarket suspension and coils, I never saw a video talk about this!
Dang, I feel your pain; sorry man. Check out their website drkdss.com and get yourself set up. 👍🏻👍🏻
Lifted my 97 6" 3bdy 3 supsn. Never knew this. I know it definitely was all over the place!
Yeah, they tend to get squirrelly when you lift them. Too bad few of the lift mfrs provide the needed parts to keep geometry and road manners in check.
Great video... Slight question though, since that panhard rod has a rotation due to suspension drop and lift is that something that needs to be torqued when on the ground in its neutral position?
Re-torque in the neutral position is always best practice; same goes for suspension, etc.
I love the admission: "I like the air impact wrenches. They sound cool and they're fun to use." TRUE! haha
RIGHT?! I’ve always loved them and think I always will, even though modern battery tools kick butt 🙌
Good info I dint think they offer a bolt on option 👌🏼
I hope the info is helpful; thanks for watching.
Thank you for the information. Where does one acquire this bolt-on modification? Would the Toyota dealership use this piece in their suspension kit if getting a 3" lift?
You can get it from drkdss.com, they’re the only ones that manufacture it.
Thanks a lot for this great advice!
Where can I find the hardware for the Pan Hard Correction Kit?
I have a 1.5 lift on the rear.
Thank you,
Bob.
Bob, you can find it on drkdss.com
Good explanation and install guide. It's not every day we get an upload from Aired-Down Overland! ;P
Surprised there wasn't an "I told you so" at 8:20.
Lots of I told you so’s 😉. Video production was the result of a dead laptop that corrupted hours of footage, a torn meniscus in my left knee, and a new job. Hoping to stay on track now.
Oh, there was an "I told you so," it was just off camera ha ha!
@@OverlandPNW Clever brother 😏
"That's what she said.".... so many times. Great video!
😂 right! 🙌
Thanks for the informative video!
I just got a 5th Gen 4Runner and want to get a 2-2.5in leveling kit put on it. In doing this would it create this issue or is this an occurrence when one does a suspension lift?
Thanks again!
You’ll be fine without it since you’re going with a leveling kit. 👍🏻👍🏻
Going on 2 weeks with this installed immediately noticed the difference on turns
That’s awesome! I immediately felt the difference; zero regrets 🙌
Interesting vid. Thank you.
Thanks for watching 🙌
My GX470 has been raised just slightly (2" in the front, 1" in the back) - not sure if that's enough of a difference to be a major culprit in my bump steer issue, but I definitely have it, but this is the first time I've heard anyone make a correlation between the symptom and the panhard bar - very interested in seeing if an angle correction bracket will help. Had thought it was more of an issue in front end suspension geometry (somewhat corrected by more camber in the alignment), but if this helps, I'm in! LOL! Thanks for the video!
The easiest way to check is to check your panhard while on level ground. If it sits at an angle, it’s a possible culprit. Based on the comments, this has helped a lot of people get rid of the rear end bump wiggle. 🙌
@@aired-downoverland9239 - Thanks! I’d actually done that a while back when I found Dr. KDSS’s solution & it’s not enough of an angle to need his standard bracket - the stubby one should do the trick for me based on his measurement suggestions, but it still may be enough to help. But I don’t have as much rear end wriggle as I do steering wheel wriggling/jostling over bumps.
Would you recommend this pan hard/track bar lift with a 1.25 inch rear lift? Pre-load Wescott. Thanks for you video. Very enlightening. I have not experienced any of the issues in turns or dips etc.
If you’re not feeling any bump or rear steer, then no. With a 1.25” lift, my guess would be your track bar is fairly flat.
@@aired-downoverland9239 Thanks for the response.
Great info! Is there a height requirement to add this? Like they recommend over 2.5 lift to upgrade the UCA’s.
I’f you were doing a minimal lift (1-1.5”) would this be beneficial also?
I think it would, but you’d use drkdss smaller bracket, or, use the lower mounting hole on the taller bracket.
Thanks for this video. Now I can fix my Pan hard bar… what kit did you use and where can I order them. Thanks.
I got mine direct from drkdss.com
Great video! Looking into lifting my 4runner this helps a lot. Where did you get the kit for this job ?
I bought it direct from Ironman 4x4
Great video. Thx. How much angle is too much? I have a slight angle in the panhard bar. Not nearly as significant as the drawing. Thoughts?
If it’s minimal with the vehicle on the ground, and you never feel the rear and move (bump steer), I’d leave it as is. How much lift do you have in the rear?
On a level surface with vehicle on the ground on its own weight. Measure from the ground up to the center of the bolt on the frame side. Then do it on the driver-side. If the difference is 1.5-2.5 I would do the shorty. If it’s taller then that then do for the regular height.
Under 1.75 you don’t really “ need” it but it’s more like you should want it knowing the axle is alittle pulled over to the passenger side and the geometry is a little off. Some one sitting taller at say 3” or more will really feel the difference vs some one under 1.75”
Thanks for the informative video! Is this 4R the KDSS version?
Non kdss
i sit at 8 inches in the rear on my 2000 and she rides like a dream #hawaiibuilt🔥
good video. just a little fyi, any bushing that has teeth in the sleeve or the sleeve does not rotate freely, that bolt needs to be tightenend down, when the vehical is at rideheight. if not, a certain amount of pre load is applied to the bushing, which can lead to premature tearing of the sleeve from the bushing.
Absolutely correct Zachary
Hi, excellent video, I have a question, what would be the difference between using the bracket to level the panhard versus using an adjustable panhard? Is there any advantage/disadvantage with the adjustable panhard? Somewhere I read that for every inch increase in suspension height, you should increase the length of the panhard 1/16 of an inch. Greetings from Quito - Ecuador.
An adjustable panhard can help keep your axle centered as you lift a vehicle, but it will not correct the geometry of the panhard as you lift the rear end. If you have a correction bracket, you shouldn’t need an adjustable panhard because the axle should be sitting in the stock location.
Excellent !
Thank you 🙌
Just bought a used 4runner sr5 with a lift and fox suspension kit. suggest taking it to toyota mechanic to check if it was all done correctly and if im in good shape or any mechanic would be able to inspect?
Never a bad idea on a vehicle you haven’t built yourself David. The piece of mind is likely worth the cost.
Recommendations for if youre doing a weld on kit? Like order of the steps when removing bar?
I have a weld on bracket but never installed it, so I don’t have real worries experience. In would only disconnect the axle side of the panhard, weld in short sections to avoid heat build up, ensure the ABS line is out of the way, protect other areas by using a welding blanket. 👍🏻
Is there a certain amount of tolerance? As in anything 3+ inch lift would be highly recommended? I have a 1.75 inch front strut setting 1.5 springs and 1.5 shocks rear.
A 2” in the rear is where people typically start feeling things move unnaturally, but it also depends on the weight you’re carrying in the rear. Just take a look at your panhard when the vehicle is sitting on a flat surface to see how flat, or not flat, your panhard is sitting.
I work at a custom shop and do a lot of alignments on lifted and lowered vehicles. It’s amazing how bad some companies products are in terms of geometry and alignment.
Many are out for ax quick sale/buck, and they do it by cutting corners 🙌
Hi, just want to ask your opinion about levelling kit for the 4runner, can this affect the performance of the truck? TIA.
I’ve never researched them, so I can’t really speak to how they effect a 4Runner, sorry
So concerned about torque specs when they are really useless in the end but will still pinch the bushing not at ride height. Interesting
Thanks for the video, good to know that need to be adjusted as well. Where did you buy the parts? Can you put a link? Thanks
The manufacturers site is drkdss.com 👍🏻
I haven't seen the bolt on style kits for the panhard bar extention only ones I have seen are the weld ons but might be different for the 4th gens which are usually the same as the 5th gens hmm might have to see if I can find this kit for mine
Check drkdss.com to see if they have it. 🙌
@@aired-downoverland9239 appreciate the link very much the website actually says it will work for my 4th gen v8 so going to order one up that helps a ton
@@AntonioClaudioMichael Glad it worked out!
Very nice video. 😊
Thank you 🙏
Unless you go overboard, it's OK to lift it. I have two - 2004 with 302,000 mi and 2018 with 35,000 mi. Both were lifted 2.5" at birth. The older one had eventually (@250K) UCA's replaced to correct caster but even before that, it handled perfectly, tires did not wear faster than they should've... The other one (stock except lift) has had no issues either.
Did you actually watch the video? Mine is lifted too, the video is about correcting your your geometry after lifting.
Lmfao.. its about the rod
@@aired-downoverland9239 Did you read my post? The point is: it's not necessary to correct anything unless the lift is over 2.5".
I have a lifted Sequoia and I have to continuously steer left & right every time I got on the freeway. Steering rack was recently replaced so I don't think it is the steering rack but rather the panhard rod since mine is at an angle rather than horizontal.
Well I hope this gives some ideas on a fix. 👍🏻
Maybe you have a wheel under the fender on one side and maybe it's sticking out on the other side?
So for a city drive and from time to time towing, do you recommend this correction? Stock suspension.
If your 4Runner has no lift in the rear, it would not be needed.
They are currently out of stock. What a bummer! Hope they’re available soon!
That does suck; I hope you don’t have a long wait.
@@aired-downoverland9239 wow! They just responded to email saying maybe mid-week! That’s impressive response time!
@@jontrotter2331 That’s unexpectedly great service; you don’t see that often these days
Where can I get a non-weld panhard correction kit like you just installed?
You had me at "Do Not Lift Your 4Runner". I don't see the point of it for normal people. A stock 4Runner is probably more capable off road than most drivers. I've recently bought a one owner 2018 4Runner Limited and I'm adding some safety equipment to it - rock sliders to replace the running boards it came with, and a set of 3 skid plates to protect the engine, transfer case and transmission - for when I'm driving it off road. The original owner never took it off road. I can't find a compelling reason to spend a bunch of money on a lift to replace a suspension system that isn't broken and to replace perfectly good rims and tires with ones that are slightly bigger. If my X-Reas suspension system develops a leak, as they're prone to do, I'll delete it and replace it with conventional shocks, but I still need to see a good reason to lift the vehicle when I change the suspension. The vehicle is already top heavy enough without lifting it higher in hopes of gaining a tiny bit of ground clearance and bringing all kinds of other potential issues into play. I'm more interested in having a vehicle that's reliable and functional than cool looking. I bought the 4Runner because I want to be able to get to more places that require high clearance 4WD, but the reality is it is still going to be driven on pavement 90% of the time. If there are compromises to be made, I'll make them off road with the 10%.
Does this go for the gx470 also? Great and very informative video.
It goes for any vehicle with a panhard where the rear has been lifted enough to throw off the stick geometry. 🙌
Just did mine! Got a shiny red one! I have 2" of rear lift and went with the shorty version. You still want a little bit of angle for when you load up your rig with gear so your track bar's not in the negative.
Anything over 2" you'll want the regular height version.
I have a feeling Dom @DR KDSS will be working overtime trying to keep up with new orders for this awesome product!
Yup, all true. I’m just over 2” most of the time; I’m typically level when fully loaded. Also agree DRKDSS will be working late nights 😄
Where can I find this bolt on modification for the 3rd gen? I’ve only found the weld on types
Would I also need to do this when installing a westcott designs trd pro lift? It claims to not affect the geometry of the suspension but I just want to make sure
I’m not familiar with their lift, so I can’t say for sure. If it pushes the axle away from the frame, you’re changing geometry.
Great video.
Please link to purchase the part please?
I am lifting my 4runner in two weeks.
I am getting some parts and tools.
Thanks
You can purchase direct from drkdss.com. Hope your build goes well.
Thank you 😎
You bet 🙌 Adventure on!
Hello sorry I might’ve missed it but what kit did you buy or what brand is it? Thank you!
The manufacturer’s site is drkdss.com 👍🏻
I did add springs that gave me a mild lift in the rear (3rd gen model). I also swapped to 17" rims on & bigger tires. Do I also need to make this correction? Do you have a link to the correction kit you used?
Jay, the easiest way to tell is just look under the rear while your rig is on flat ground, you want that panhard as close to flat (stock geometry) as possible. Bracket is from drkdss.com 👍🏻
Yup I got everything set on my 3rd gen and I will never lift it due to too much issues itsngood enough to get u thru places
I have a 2018 SR5 4Runner. I didn’t install a lift kit on it but did install off-road tires with same size according to sidewall, but the new tires are actually a larger diameter than the all season tires I took off. I also installed Bilstein 5100 shocks. Even though I didn’t install a lift kit, would I still require the pan hard rod adjustment?
Nope, you should be good to go with your current set-up
@@aired-downoverland9239 That’s good news, I also just read that if the hard rod is 5 degrees or less, no need to make changes and i’m under 5 degrees, thank you for the feedback confirming that i’m okay “as is”.
Is there a specific lift height inorder to install this fix and does this only apply to KDSS fitted trucks or anytime you lift the 4Runner? Where do we buy the kit from. Thanks.
You can get all the details on the mfr’s site: drkdss.com 👍🏻
Did you do this on the 4unner that had the ironman 4x4 foam cell pro video you did couple years ago with the new panhard bar?
Yes, same vehicle
Is that toytec bumstop 2 or 3 inch?Will it hit the frame when off roading or flexing?
I think it’s 2” but I’d check their website. The stock rubber bumpstop mount to the Toytec extension, so only rubber is hitting the axle, nothing harsh.
I didn't know this. Thank you! Also, does that bracket come in different lengths proportional to how high you lift the vehicle? Are there set increments in heights?
Yes, go to drkdss.com and you’ll see the urgent sizes. 🙌
@@aired-downoverland9239 Thanks so much!
Is this needed with any lift size? I’m considering a 2jn to 2.5in lift just curious if I’ll need to do this.
It made a major difference for me and I have a 2” rear lift. If you look through the comments you’ll find others had a similar positive experience. BTW, I am not sponsored by drkdss nor do I get any kickbacks, I’m just sharing my experience.
Great video! Where can I buy this for my 99 4runner. It will have a 2.5 lift and KO 2 tires on it. Thx
Thank you Kevin. Check out drkdss.com for these brackets. I’m not sponsored, just sharing his great design. Enjoy the build process, it’s half the fun 🙌
@@aired-downoverland9239 thanks for your time sir.
Great vid... where can we find this bracket ?
Thx! You can buy direct from the mfr at drkdss.com 🙌
Bump steers occur when the drag link from the steering box (to the tie rod) and pan hard rod or AKA track bar are not parallel in the front of the vehicle. Typically applies to straight axle vehicle that steering knuckles are tied together via tie rods.
Bump "steer" is not of rear suspension geometry as it has little to do with steering components.
Panhard rod is to keep the axle centered under the frame as the suspension cycles. These adapters help restore the arc of the suspension cycle post lift.
Came here to say this.
It’s ok, some people prefer to call it “Rear steer” though the outcome is exactly the same, you flex by hitting a “bump” and it causes the rear to steer. Fact is I’m just trying to share something that worked for me.
@@aired-downoverland9239 I don't know about that. Big the bigger issue is roll center rising as a result of the track bar not being straight. That will have an effect on cornering at speed. And that's going to be noticeable. I personally never felt bump steer in my lifted 4 runner on or off road.
If you prefer the words “rear steer”, no worries. The end result is similar, a bump (compression) causing the front or rear to steer. All good 👍🏻
@@AllTerrainFamily I’m all for differing opinions, everyone has to make up their own mind in the end. The fact is this, for me and many others, we are feeling rear steer, and have eliminated it with a panhard correction. If you’re not feeling it, awesome, that’s one less modification you need to invest in. 👍🏻
Do you need an alignment afterwards or anything? And could this just be done on jack stands?
No alignment needed. Yes, but anytime you’re under a vehicle, use extra caution.