I am most impressed with the simple, clean layout of the SAB helis, especially the Raw models. Very nice! I have yet to purchase a SAB heli, but its definitly in the future once i get back into helis and get the dust knocked of my micros and get some practice time in again
Hey WestHobbiesRC, Thank you very much for this great video. I myself am faced with the choice of buying the RAW 420 or the RS4. My feeling was more with the Raw420 from the start. Thanks to your video, I've now fully decided on the RAW420. Best regards from Germany 1ronm4n :)
oops, how are you? why did you choose RAW 420? I'm Brazilian and I can't understand the video, did you manage to buy yours? which one did you choose? And which site did you buy it from?
Wooohooo! Finally! Man that 420 orange/white looks just as good as my 580! Well said. Get what you like. For me SAB just stands out in every way. Thanks for doing this!
Thank you! Yeah, the orange on the 420 looks fantastic! Very visible in the air and easy to see to I really like yellow on helicopters but the orange looks fantastic! Exactly, you get whatever one you personally like. Just because I like one more than the other does not mean you will.
You are welcome! I figured I would be the first to make the comparison video because they are the two most talked about helicopters on the market right now. And I wanted each and everyone of you to be able to decide on your own on which one fits you the best!
Excellent comparison video, thanks for the time and effort in putting this together. I too am waiting for the OMP M4 to come out, it looks to be a great option. I also want to say that I appreciate your flying style on video. While smack 3D is impressive, it's hard on the eyes to watch on a flat screen and not in person. Makes your videos enjoyable to watch.
Thank you! I’m glad you enjoyed the video. I like smack 3-D and cam fly smack 3-D but I personally enjoy big air flying more I think of something more people can relate to and how most of the models will be flown. I’m very curious to see the M4 and see how it stacks up. Looks very promising!
Nice video as usual, Jeff! I know the trees to the right must be further away than they actually look, but I swear I think you just barely miss them sometimes.
Thank you for this review as I know it required a lot of time and effort on your part. As you said, it is up to each individual to weigh the pluses and minuses before making a decision. I am still on the fence; however, since I am a new flyer learning the basics, I am leaning more toward the RS4 because it is almost the same size physically as the SAB 420 and that is important to my aging eyes. I don't mind the tail servo outside as it seems to be a very beefy servo. ThanK you again.🧙♂
Thank you! Yes it does take a lot of time to film edit and post. But it is a passion of love and some thing I love to do! And bring each and everyone of you quality Content and useful content! You can’t go wrong with the RS four. It is a fantastic value for the money and for a new person or may be a first time helicopter builder the ease of the FBL set up takes the guesswork out! Plus parts are much cheaper.
I get the aging eyes! 🧙♂ I opted for the "Lime Green" which to me looks more like yellow for visibility reasons. I like the white the most but on overcast days I think it would blend in too much and although I'm not adverse to pink 🎠, but no need to provide the helicopter community an easy reason to bust my chops over color. Remember! They coined the term Smack Down when speaking about flying. 😂
@@heeder777 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 My S2 is yellow and love it. Only problem is it gets too small very fast. Geat little heli and I will always keep it but need something larger.
I have had the RAW 420 for over a year and I like it better.. A new heli is coming already the OMP M4 and have already seen it fly. I'm keeping my 420 and will get the OMP M4!!!
@@westhobbiesrc8051 OMP would of had something out sooner. If couple for their designers didn't leave to create Goosky! The fBL unit in the Goosky was in the M2 EVO and some did get sold with it. But not to long later they had to remove them from the M2 EVO.
As good as the GOOSKY RS 4 is, I can't believe that it is a better Heli than the SAB GOBLIN RAW 420!! I'm posting this comment before the video is over, Don't make me change it, Jeff. lol. Great video, Brother! I agree with every point you made. Of course, buying everything separately is at a premium, but like you said, Jeff, you get the ESC, FBL, Battery that you want, and you fly on all your other Heli's, the SAB Goblin 420 mightbefor you. Both are terrific Heli's and if you're getting into the Hobby and have a limited budget, then the GOOSKY RS4 might be the way to get into the Hobby for you! Fantastic Video Jeff, great builds, great flights... Cheers, my friend.
Thank you Larry! I agree, the 420 is definitely my choice but! The simple buy it at one shot as a PNP no need to really set up the FBL unit other than a couple simple steps. So I think for a beginner or first kit build and someone that really doesn’t know much about FBL set up or tuning the RS4 is definitely the way to go! But, if you are a seasoned pilot or somebody that is looking for the next build or to build a model the way you want then 100% the RAW 420.
Great comparison and nice flight as always. Personally I too gravitate towards the Raw 420. But I'm still waiting to see how the m4 stacks up. I guess it will be closer to the raw in terms of build and it obviously doesn't come with a fbl unit so you're fee to choose. Seeing the design is by Jonas Wackershauser it's probably a very well tought out and capable heli.
The 420 is a bit bigger and beefier heli. Seems like it's truly built to be in a class just over the S4 and m4. Carries a bigger battery, main shaft etc. imo, the SAB isn't really competing with the s4 or m4. Even if goosky & omp come out with stretch kits, they will be pseudo 420s. Personal choice tho, as both are good. Raw 420 for me.
I feel the same way, it’s hard to compete with SAB. Goosky did a great job with the build and a first belt driven tail Heli. But the RAW 420 is my choice.
It makes it very simple and easy! I just packaged up three 420 needs to go back to the customers and it took all of two seconds to pull the booms off. On the RS4 you will have to pull the main shaft.
that raw looks like an unique italian racing car. Now when i see them side by side i realize that the raw looks way better and professional. So i am going for sure for raw.
I wish You could test it once again but using mini Ikon2 in the goodsky RS4 as you did with the 420. As I understand I can buy the rs4 without the FBL and ESC.
Yes they were! The venom is awesome! Really like mine. That’s a hard one because they both fly so good. The venom definitely has a better power to weight ratio as it’s lighter.
Hi Jeff, I was re-watching your SAB 420 series and wanted to ask what the difference is between threadlock and retaining compound as you use both. I know threadlock is for screws into metal. Could it be used instead of retaining compound where you used that instead?
Sorry for the delay in response, I just seen this comment. Retaining compound is used for stuff like bearings or any metal to metal surface you don’t want to come apart. Technically speaking you can use heat and get it apart but it is a stronger compound than blue Loctite. But used for bearing and pinions (like press fit) blue loctite is used in 99% of your build on all models.
Thanks man!! This is my 7th kit of there’s I’m building.. in my manuel, it shows SAB towards the servos.. one of very few grey areas in all of the builds I’ve done… Was your pin on your swash kind of tight in the anti rotation guide compared to others?
I don’t know anything more then what was posted, I think it’s a great design in the video and pictures I’ve seen. It looks like a simple layout. Great servo geometry, looks locked in flight. Very excited to see one/fly one in person!
@@philipbrits2984 the RS4 venom is a lot better then the regular RS4. I could make a video on the two. Didn’t know if there would be enough interest in it.
RS4 parts will definitely be cheaper than the 420 parts. They are very close to wing servers but they are a tad smaller and you can’t use just any servo because you can’t adjust/reprogram frequency of the Servo in the FBL unit.
Hey bud!! Really like and appreciate your videos! On this video and the one of you building your RAW 420… looks like you have you anti rotation bracket backwards
Thank you, I appreciate it. It’s not backwards, that’s how it’s shown in the SAB manual and if you look at the way the bracket is facing it should go back but it’s not going to matter as it will do the same thing both ways.
I wonder if these types of things are what people think may be ufos.... They certainly move as described albeit this one is loud and small but just imagine what tech the military has had already for 20 years!
They could be, believe it or not. The RC community and companies are what design and help the military. If it was not for models the military and full scale would not have the technology they have now. Pretty crazy!
Great job. Very cool comparison 👍maybe for Goosky will be fit some plane aleiron servos. Have the same mountings. For me, however, goosky wins because of the weight. The goblin, as usual, is heavy.
Thank you, so you can’t just use regular plane wings servos. Main reason is because you cannot set frequency and Hertz in the FBL and most planes servos are slower then Heli servos. They are also a tad bit bigger (I tried a few wing severs I have laying around)
@@westhobbiesrc8051 Well, yes, I didn't think about frequency. I hope that similar to s2, Servos will not be expensive. For now, I am waiting for the possibility of ordering a model and the availability of spare parts.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 Yes, that's a fact. Initially, I thought about the PNP version, but after your experience with FBL I'd rather use Brain and my own esc
So then it’s probably better for you to get the kit version. I’ll be putting a iKon in it leaving the stock ESC. I want to see if the stock ESC gives out telemetry because it does show battery voltage on the app.
The only problem I have with the Goblin is that there really isn't a place for a full-size receiver. Seems like everything these days is for a Spectrum or Vbar receivers.
The main reason is because there is no need for a full-size receiver. Satellites now are full range receivers like the SRXL2 and very small. But depending on what radio you are flying you can always put the receiver on the right side on the inside of the frame by the tail servo as others have put it there.
Thank you! I’m in Tennessee, I do builds, repairs, setups, anything you want. I don’t have a hobby shop but you can email me at westhobbiesrc@hotmail.com and we can discuss build repairs anything you need. You ship me the model I build it tune it and ship it back to you.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 Cool! Thanks man. I have a Goblin 380 I need some help on. I need to learn this stuff myself. Is it possible if I can buy consulting time...by the hour?
@@travisdopler289 I have a goblin 380 on the way! Always wanted one and got a great deal on one. Yes for sure. I can definitely help you. Send me a email and we will go over everything.
Goosky RS4 is about 285 grams lighter when both helis are without their batteries. That's about 28% lighter. It's a huge amount. Obviously Goosky did not clone the Raw 420.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 a clone would mean it has interchangeable parts. It's not even the same size. Has different servo layout both on the head and tail. No way it could be considered a clone. If anything it was inspired by the raw 420 but that's it.
So I'm still super new to the hobby, do you typically set up your throttle curves to be consistent and only control the collective pitch or do your throttle curves typically vary at all?
So both ways. I run Flat throttle curves. But you have Idle up mode “Stunt” mode. In those modes it holds your throttle at a flat line percentage whatever you send it to and gives you a linear collective movement so when you are doing 3-D your motor stays at a consistent RPM and you just move the collective up and down for positive and negative.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 that's what I was kind of figuring, is there any instances where I would want a linear throttle curve? That's how I kind of set up my M2 Evo but I might consider changing it to a more flat line throttle curve and just keep it at a more consistent RPM. Unless it's in normal mode so I can control when the blades start up using the throttle stick. If you get a chance can you make a video about your set up on your simulator as well. I read through your comments and I noticed that you use the simulator to really refine your skills and I would personally be interested in seeing your setup on it. Thanks again for all your help and your great videos!
@@Lance57H you don’t want a linear throttle curve, the main reason is because you will be consistently changing the head speed which consistently affects the keto. So as you go up and down from 0 to 100 the head speed raises and drops as you move your throttle/collective stick. So in normal mode I set a 0-50-50-50-50 then Idle 1 70-70-70-70-70 and Idle 2 100-100-100-100-100. If you watch my M2 EVO set up video I explain my radio settings. Having a zero on normal mode allows you to still use your throttle to control the motor off and on when you’re at zero but it gives you a consistent head speed throughout the cyclic range so it’s not raising and dropping. Yes, I still practice with a simulator as much as I can. I don’t think you can ever be too good for the simulator. Anytime I want to practice something new or put some kind of flying routine together I get on the simulator and try. I tried to aim for about 30 minutes of simulator time a day. But it doesn’t always work that way LOL I can try and do a video on simulators set up and what I do. Thank you! I’m glad you enjoy the videos and I hope you continue to learn from them!
Very helpful, thank you. For a relative beginner, would you suggest the 420 or the RS4? The simplicity and less parts of the RAW attracts me-but so does the price of the RS4! :P
I'm in exactly the same thought process as you! Very difficult. As a first time heli builder myself, hearing Geoff say that the SAB was easier was interesting.
I decided to buy the 420. I have only been flying since November. Destroyed several learning the process of set up to TX and crashing. Also, getting a taste of quality matters. Which led me to purchase a goosky S2, and it's an amazing, literally ready out of the box heli. Hrs and hrs of flying fun. 7min 30 sec flights with 850 packs. I have watched alot of Goblin videos and chose the 420
So the RAW 420 is definitely a less part count and easier to build model. But! The FBL setup on the RS4 is super simple. The no soldering is also very nice on the RS4 and simple plug everything in and go. Parts will be cheaper on the RS4 vs the RAW 420. Luckily you have a step-by-step build videos from me to help you along the way of your build on which ever model you choose. The RS four has auto level right out of the box. I know you can set it on most FBLs on the market but the set up is so much easier for a newer person. So with that, I would recommend the RS4.
@WestHobbiesRC Thanks for that in depth answer comparing the two. Not having to solder or try to work out how to set up the fbl unit is an advantage for someone like me. Decisions decisions!
So I really like the yellow. But! The orange looks amazing in the air stands out and has great visit ability. The orange might be a little easier to see.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 Thanks for that good info. I still hesitate !!! Why do you have two Raw 420? Backup, rekit? You don’t seem to have motor bogging or rpm drop with RAW 420 like some other seems/complain to have. About Hobbywing store gov mode did you have better results after initial flights on the yellow? It seems that standardization setup process without app works well with that motor, no need to specify 42 poles anywhere. Cheers.
The orange RAW 420s are not mine. I built them for a buddy. Mine is the yellow one from the build series. I didn’t bring mine the day I did the flight comparison and they are identical to mine as far as set up only difference is color. I don’t notice any motor bogging unless I run a low head speed and get hard on the collective. But because I am so used to flying nitro helicopters collective management is very easy for me. I also run 13 1/2° of pitch positive and negative. 3200 RPM is unstoppable on this model. Crazy power! I would not hesitate buying a 420! You will not be disappointed! I don’t run the governor on my personal 420 just flat curves and still don’t have any bogging.
I'm extremely surprised by the massive weight difference. With both helis without their batteries, the Raw 420 is about 285 grams heavier than the RS4. About 28% heavier. Good job Goosky!!
In all honesty I was extremely surprised as well! I had no idea it was that much on the way different. But the 420 fly is very light in the air and you would never feel the difference flying both of them.
420 vs 380 blades though too so that extra weight is not 100% comparable. That extra 30mm * 2 length (22% more surface area) with the blades likely offsets that extra weight to some extent.
I don’t own a Blade fusion 480 (yet) but they are two different class models. The 420 (420mm blade) is smaller by a bit then the Fusion 480 (480mm blade but really a 550 class model) both are great models and I think the fusion 480 is incredible value. But I love my 420!
YOu didn't mention some of the key components. Frame carbon thickness. Carbon layers, how many. What weave is the carbon. Stiffness of the carbon. The shafts, you did mention, but how about the berings? Aluminium parts, what grade are they at? Main blade quality, how balanced are the blades? Are they balanced as a set? Stiffness of a complete frame. How available is the spare parts. (also in europe) And i belive, it should have been compared to the Goblin 380. There are a lot of reasons, why the SAB is more expensive, especially as a 420 and not the 380. Just my thoughts. And i have been importing heli's from china, and i know where, they 'cut corners'. What would the RS4 cost, with MKS servos, top of the line motor and ESC, Icon 2, same battery setup & blades as the SAB.
You are right, I did not. You should purchase both models out of pocket and do a full on review with all of that that you mentioned. It will make a great video!
@@glenn4452 at least a two hour video and have to tear both helicopters completely apart back to the kits. I just personally don’t think anything stated above is useful to the every day person.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 Jeff, don't ever waste your time testing the items listed. Testing it with the Goblin 380 makes absolutely no sense whatsoever since it's not a direct drive. Testing carbon fiber weave is just unbeweeevable!
@@victorlugardo3703 trust me I would not lol Carbon weave means nothing to 99% of people. The goblin 380 is a great heli (I have one lol) but like you said it’s not a DD. It’s a whole different heli!
Those are two s*xy helicopters. (not in that way, I just mean they're both really epic and good looking helis.) But just one question, do the motors run cool or do they run hot? Also I must say that I like the servo configuration on the goosky better. The servos on the goblin are kinda hanging out a little bit, I feel like they'd be easier to shear off in a crash. The goosky has them tucked closer to its center and has them kinda protected and shielded by that carbon fiber armor.
Yes they are! No, the motors don’t run hot at all. Even after back to back flights. They stay cool. I think you mean the RAW 420 with the tail servo. The RAW 420 has the servo on the inside of the main frame. It is very protected!
@@westhobbiesrc8051 That's true, but the main servos on the Goosky are better protected than the main servos on the Raw 420. It only sucks that goosky decided to have the tail servo hanging out. Not a fatal flaw but a design flaw none the less. But I would still take the goosky over the raw 420 because even though the tail servo isn't as well protected as the raw 420, the main servos are much better protected than the raw 420. This is just my nitpick though, these helis both fly great and I would not mind having either one.
Tl;dw- the Goblin is superior in every quantifiable way, but costs 40% more. You can buy a Goosky and tell yourself lies about it, or you can spend the extra money for the vastly superior machine and avoid the mental gymnastics
@@westhobbiesrc8051 I recently picked up a Goosky S1 and it's a fantastic helicopter, But the name is still stupid. I'd still get the raw 420 but I will no longer count out Goosky, they make a good product.
The channel is growing up. Congratulations, Jeff.
You are making a great videos about our hobby.
Thank you! It’s growing pretty quick and I’m thankful for all of you!
I am most impressed with the simple, clean layout of the SAB helis, especially the Raw models. Very nice! I have yet to purchase a SAB heli, but its definitly in the future once i get back into helis and get the dust knocked of my micros and get some practice time in again
Hey WestHobbiesRC,
Thank you very much for this great video. I myself am faced with the choice of buying the RAW 420 or the RS4. My feeling was more with the Raw420 from the start. Thanks to your video, I've now fully decided on the RAW420.
Best regards from Germany
1ronm4n :)
Hello! Awesome! The RAW 420 is a fantastic model! I love mine. You won’t be disappointed! Thank you for watching!
oops, how are you? why did you choose RAW 420? I'm Brazilian and I can't understand the video, did you manage to buy yours? which one did you choose? And which site did you buy it from?
Thanks Jeff, it was good to see both helis side by side. It convinced me. 👍👍
You’re welcome! I hope the video was helpful and allow you to see both models and make your own decision on which one you would purchase.
Will be interesting to see the OMP M4 as well soon, they did some neat stuff with it as well.
Yes it will! Can’t wait to see that one!
Wooohooo! Finally! Man that 420 orange/white looks just as good as my 580!
Well said. Get what you like. For me SAB just stands out in every way.
Thanks for doing this!
Thank you! Yeah, the orange on the 420 looks fantastic! Very visible in the air and easy to see to I really like yellow on helicopters but the orange looks fantastic! Exactly, you get whatever one you personally like. Just because I like one more than the other does not mean you will.
Thanks for making this video. I was hoping someone would. I’m thinking of upgrading my M2 evo and getting a 400 size heli . Thank you!!!
You are welcome! I figured I would be the first to make the comparison video because they are the two most talked about helicopters on the market right now. And I wanted each and everyone of you to be able to decide on your own on which one fits you the best!
Excellent comparison video, thanks for the time and effort in putting this together. I too am waiting for the OMP M4 to come out, it looks to be a great option. I also want to say that I appreciate your flying style on video. While smack 3D is impressive, it's hard on the eyes to watch on a flat screen and not in person. Makes your videos enjoyable to watch.
Thank you! I’m glad you enjoyed the video. I like smack 3-D and cam fly smack 3-D but I personally enjoy big air flying more I think of something more people can relate to and how most of the models will be flown. I’m very curious to see the M4 and see how it stacks up. Looks very promising!
Nice video as usual, Jeff! I know the trees to the right must be further away than they actually look, but I swear I think you just barely miss them sometimes.
Thank you! Yes, the trees on the right side are far back. The powerline is closer than they are. But I have definitely gotten close a few times lol
Thank you for this review as I know it required a lot of time and effort on your part. As you said, it is up to each individual to weigh the pluses and minuses before making a decision. I am still on the fence; however, since I am a new flyer learning the basics, I am leaning more toward the RS4 because it is almost the same size physically as the SAB 420 and that is important to my aging eyes. I don't mind the tail servo outside as it seems to be a very beefy servo. ThanK you again.🧙♂
Thank you! Yes it does take a lot of time to film edit and post. But it is a passion of love and some thing I love to do! And bring each and everyone of you quality Content and useful content! You can’t go wrong with the RS four. It is a fantastic value for the money and for a new person or may be a first time helicopter builder the ease of the FBL set up takes the guesswork out! Plus parts are much cheaper.
I get the aging eyes! 🧙♂ I opted for the "Lime Green" which to me looks more like yellow for visibility reasons. I like the white the most but on overcast days I think it would blend in too much and although I'm not adverse to pink 🎠, but no need to provide the helicopter community an easy reason to bust my chops over color. Remember! They coined the term Smack Down when speaking about flying. 😂
@@heeder777 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 My S2 is yellow and love it. Only problem is it gets too small very fast. Geat little heli and I will always keep it but need something larger.
I have had the RAW 420 for over a year and I like it better.. A new heli is coming already the OMP M4 and have already seen it fly. I'm keeping my 420 and will get the OMP M4!!!
The RAW 420 is amazing! Great Heli! The M4 looks good, I’m glad to see them finally bringing it out! Goosky definitely pushed them on that lol.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 OMP would of had something out sooner. If couple for their designers didn't leave to create Goosky! The fBL unit in the Goosky was in the M2 EVO and some did get sold with it. But not to long later they had to remove them from the M2 EVO.
These are so good and fly great. I love them both.
They really do, I like both of them! Love the 420 more.
As good as the GOOSKY RS 4 is, I can't believe that it is a better Heli than the SAB GOBLIN RAW 420!!
I'm posting this comment before the video is over, Don't make me change it, Jeff. lol. Great video, Brother!
I agree with every point you made.
Of course, buying everything separately is at a premium, but like you said, Jeff, you get the ESC, FBL, Battery that you want, and you fly on all your other Heli's, the SAB Goblin 420 mightbefor you. Both are terrific Heli's and if you're getting into the Hobby and have a limited budget, then the GOOSKY RS4 might be the way to get into the Hobby for you!
Fantastic Video Jeff, great builds, great flights... Cheers, my friend.
Thank you Larry! I agree, the 420 is definitely my choice but! The simple buy it at one shot as a PNP no need to really set up the FBL unit other than a couple simple steps. So I think for a beginner or first kit build and someone that really doesn’t know much about FBL set up or tuning the RS4 is definitely the way to go! But, if you are a seasoned pilot or somebody that is looking for the next build or to build a model the way you want then 100% the RAW 420.
Great comparison and nice flight as always. Personally I too gravitate towards the Raw 420. But I'm still waiting to see how the m4 stacks up. I guess it will be closer to the raw in terms of build and it obviously doesn't come with a fbl unit so you're fee to choose. Seeing the design is by Jonas Wackershauser it's probably a very well tought out and capable heli.
Thank you! I’m very curious to see the new M2! It looks very good and a well thought out and designed model!
Ahh the sound 😮
5:25 it looks beautiful! I like it 😊
It definitely is!
Nice vid and comparison. SAB all the way for me.
Thank you! You can’t beat SAB!
BRO! your slamming those sticks!
Thank you! I appreciate that.
Thanks for the information this was my ? A way back
You’re welcome, hope it answered your questions.
Another Awesome video amigo! THANKS!!
Thank you! I’m glad you enjoyed the video!
SAB discontinued the motor guard. A sign of something? Keep up the awesome videos!!!
The 420 is a bit bigger and beefier heli. Seems like it's truly built to be in a class just over the S4 and m4. Carries a bigger battery, main shaft etc. imo, the SAB isn't really competing with the s4 or m4. Even if goosky & omp come out with stretch kits, they will be pseudo 420s. Personal choice tho, as both are good. Raw 420 for me.
I feel the same way, it’s hard to compete with SAB. Goosky did a great job with the build and a first belt driven tail Heli. But the RAW 420 is my choice.
Interesting comparison and well done!
Thank you! I appreciate it!
Excellent machines and excellent flying! Looks like you've practiced this a bit.
Thank you! Both models are great!
Great review
Thank you!
1:25 that should help a lot having the belt at the bottom of the pulley, it should much easer to disassemble
It makes it very simple and easy! I just packaged up three 420 needs to go back to the customers and it took all of two seconds to pull the booms off. On the RS4 you will have to pull the main shaft.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 yes true. I will get me one of those Helis I haven’t decided yet but I am leaning towards to 420.
Great video! Hopefully someday I’ll have one of these to my collection!
Thank you! You definitely need to add these to your collection!
Thank you for the high quality content video 👍
You’re welcome! Thank you for watching!
that raw looks like an unique italian racing car. Now when i see them side by side i realize that the raw looks way better and professional. So i am going for sure for raw.
Awesome! You will be very happy with that choice. It is a incredible model and you can’t go wrong.
Sab is Italian, so that comparison checks out
Very helpful, thanks! 😎🤙
Good I’m glad! Thank you for watching!
I wish You could test it once again but using mini Ikon2 in the goodsky RS4 as you did with the 420. As I understand I can buy the rs4 without the FBL and ESC.
I will soon! I’m going to try a different set of blades on the RS4 soon then a iKon FBL!
Awesome as usual 👍🏻
Thank you!
Most of your concerns with the RS4 were taken care of with the new Venom version. Which would you pick now between the Venom and the Raw 420?
Yes they were! The venom is awesome! Really like mine. That’s a hard one because they both fly so good. The venom definitely has a better power to weight ratio as it’s lighter.
Hi Jeff, I was re-watching your SAB 420 series and wanted to ask what the difference is between threadlock and retaining compound as you use both. I know threadlock is for screws into metal. Could it be used instead of retaining compound where you used that instead?
Sorry for the delay in response, I just seen this comment. Retaining compound is used for stuff like bearings or any metal to metal surface you don’t want to come apart. Technically speaking you can use heat and get it apart but it is a stronger compound than blue Loctite. But used for bearing and pinions (like press fit) blue loctite is used in 99% of your build on all models.
How's the visibility of the orange Raw 420 compared to the original yellow color scheme? Thanks for the great videos, always look forward to them!
The orange scheme is very visible! I think it might be better visibility then the yellow in very bright sunlight. Thank you for watching!
Thanks man!! This is my 7th kit of there’s I’m building.. in my manuel, it shows SAB towards the servos.. one of very few grey areas in all of the builds I’ve done…
Was your pin on your swash kind of tight in the anti rotation guide compared to others?
Just a little bit tight towards the top but freeze up after a while. I’ve built 12 420s and they are all that way.
I wind up for a curve ball aka Alzrc r42…. Smoke this, guys 😎😎😎
Jeff whats your early take on the Goosky RS7 that was recently announced? I cant wait to see how they engineered it.
I don’t know anything more then what was posted, I think it’s a great design in the video and pictures I’ve seen. It looks like a simple layout. Great servo geometry, looks locked in flight. Very excited to see one/fly one in person!
Goblin 420 hands down. I both and flew them back to back.The 420 feels way more connected than the Rs4. Maybe an ESC up grade would help the Rs4.
The Goblin 420 definitely flys better. It’s a few things but servo geometry is the biggest reason.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 Hi man, What about thr RS4 venom compared to the 420?
@@philipbrits2984 the RS4 venom is a lot better then the regular RS4. I could make a video on the two. Didn’t know if there would be enough interest in it.
@westhobbiesrc8051 please! This will help me allot. I am currently looking at either a Raw 420c or a rs4 venom combo. 🤔
Watching. You're so amazing sir. You have a lot of helis
Thank you! It’s definitely growing! Lol
@@westhobbiesrc8051 yeah. Damn. You will have a heli Musium soon
@@coldfirebeat4903 that is my goal LOL
@@westhobbiesrc8051 cool
One other thing. Cost of parts are expensive on RAW 420. I bet you can find servo for the Goosky. Look like wing servos to me.
RS4 parts will definitely be cheaper than the 420 parts. They are very close to wing servers but they are a tad smaller and you can’t use just any servo because you can’t adjust/reprogram frequency of the Servo in the FBL unit.
Hey bud!! Really like and appreciate your videos!
On this video and the one of you building your RAW 420… looks like you have you anti rotation bracket backwards
Thank you, I appreciate it. It’s not backwards, that’s how it’s shown in the SAB manual and if you look at the way the bracket is facing it should go back but it’s not going to matter as it will do the same thing both ways.
Next the omp M4 :)
I hope so!
Hi, does the goosky rs4 main motor run cool like its venom counterpart?
Yes sir! And more power!
I wonder if these types of things are what people think may be ufos.... They certainly move as described albeit this one is loud and small but just imagine what tech the military has had already for 20 years!
They could be, believe it or not. The RC community and companies are what design and help the military. If it was not for models the military and full scale would not have the technology they have now. Pretty crazy!
@@westhobbiesrc8051 yeah that's actually really good point that I didn't even consider.
Great job. Very cool comparison 👍maybe for Goosky will be fit some plane aleiron servos. Have the same mountings. For me, however, goosky wins because of the weight. The goblin, as usual, is heavy.
Thank you, so you can’t just use regular plane wings servos. Main reason is because you cannot set frequency and Hertz in the FBL and most planes servos are slower then Heli servos. They are also a tad bit bigger (I tried a few wing severs I have laying around)
@@westhobbiesrc8051 Well, yes, I didn't think about frequency. I hope that similar to s2, Servos will not be expensive. For now, I am waiting for the possibility of ordering a model and the availability of spare parts.
The good thing is, no matter which version you buy kit or PNP both come with servos. So you don’t need to buy them unless one quits or gets damaged.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 Yes, that's a fact. Initially, I thought about the PNP version, but after your experience with FBL I'd rather use Brain and my own esc
So then it’s probably better for you to get the kit version. I’ll be putting a iKon in it leaving the stock ESC. I want to see if the stock ESC gives out telemetry because it does show battery voltage on the app.
I like the 420 bc .... 420
Lol a lot of people do!
The only problem I have with the Goblin is that there really isn't a place for a full-size receiver. Seems like everything these days is for a Spectrum or Vbar receivers.
The main reason is because there is no need for a full-size receiver. Satellites now are full range receivers like the SRXL2 and very small. But depending on what radio you are flying you can always put the receiver on the right side on the inside of the frame by the tail servo as others have put it there.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 Good to know that. I fly Jeti radio.
Hey great video! Where are you located? You mentioned availability for builds and repairs. Are you a hobby store where I can buy these machines?
Thank you! I’m in Tennessee, I do builds, repairs, setups, anything you want. I don’t have a hobby shop but you can email me at westhobbiesrc@hotmail.com and we can discuss build repairs anything you need. You ship me the model I build it tune it and ship it back to you.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 Cool! Thanks man. I have a Goblin 380 I need some help on. I need to learn this stuff myself. Is it possible if I can buy consulting time...by the hour?
@@travisdopler289 I have a goblin 380 on the way! Always wanted one and got a great deal on one. Yes for sure. I can definitely help you. Send me a email and we will go over everything.
Finally someone got the balls to show the Original and the Clone! Nice video! And thanks...now it's up to the user to choose! They both are awesome!
Obviously Not a clone.
Goosky RS4 is about 285 grams lighter when both helis are without their batteries. That's about 28% lighter. It's a huge amount. Obviously Goosky did not clone the Raw 420.
So I definitely wouldn’t say it is a clone but it is very close. I’m sure the idea was taken from the RAW 420. Both are great models!
@@westhobbiesrc8051 a clone would mean it has interchangeable parts. It's not even the same size. Has different servo layout both on the head and tail. No way it could be considered a clone. If anything it was inspired by the raw 420 but that's it.
@@gmodesike that’s why I said it was not a clone LOL it is definitely inspired by the 420.
So I'm still super new to the hobby, do you typically set up your throttle curves to be consistent and only control the collective pitch or do your throttle curves typically vary at all?
So both ways. I run Flat throttle curves. But you have Idle up mode “Stunt” mode. In those modes it holds your throttle at a flat line percentage whatever you send it to and gives you a linear collective movement so when you are doing 3-D your motor stays at a consistent RPM and you just move the collective up and down for positive and negative.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 that's what I was kind of figuring, is there any instances where I would want a linear throttle curve? That's how I kind of set up my M2 Evo but I might consider changing it to a more flat line throttle curve and just keep it at a more consistent RPM. Unless it's in normal mode so I can control when the blades start up using the throttle stick. If you get a chance can you make a video about your set up on your simulator as well. I read through your comments and I noticed that you use the simulator to really refine your skills and I would personally be interested in seeing your setup on it. Thanks again for all your help and your great videos!
@@Lance57H you don’t want a linear throttle curve, the main reason is because you will be consistently changing the head speed which consistently affects the keto. So as you go up and down from 0 to 100 the head speed raises and drops as you move your throttle/collective stick. So in normal mode I set a 0-50-50-50-50 then Idle 1 70-70-70-70-70 and Idle 2 100-100-100-100-100. If you watch my M2 EVO set up video I explain my radio settings. Having a zero on normal mode allows you to still use your throttle to control the motor off and on when you’re at zero but it gives you a consistent head speed throughout the cyclic range so it’s not raising and dropping. Yes, I still practice with a simulator as much as I can. I don’t think you can ever be too good for the simulator. Anytime I want to practice something new or put some kind of flying routine together I get on the simulator and try. I tried to aim for about 30 minutes of simulator time a day. But it doesn’t always work that way LOL I can try and do a video on simulators set up and what I do. Thank you! I’m glad you enjoy the videos and I hope you continue to learn from them!
Goosky RS4 motor protector on Thingiverse
I seen that! I’ve got the Aluminum ones now on mine.
Do you have flight time comparison ? Would RS4 fit 26000mAh battery? Thx.
I flew both models at a four-ish minute timer. You could definitely fit a 2400 in the goosky not sure about the 2600. I can try!
Very helpful, thank you. For a relative beginner, would you suggest the 420 or the RS4? The simplicity and less parts of the RAW attracts me-but so does the price of the RS4! :P
I'm in exactly the same thought process as you! Very difficult. As a first time heli builder myself, hearing Geoff say that the SAB was easier was interesting.
I decided to buy the 420. I have only been flying since November. Destroyed several learning the process of set up to TX and crashing. Also, getting a taste of quality matters. Which led me to purchase a goosky S2, and it's an amazing, literally ready out of the box heli. Hrs and hrs of flying fun. 7min 30 sec flights with 850 packs. I have watched alot of Goblin videos and chose the 420
@@jbenz63 AccuRC sim has been a huge help for me. I also have the S2, it's a nice one! Leaning towards 420 if I can get a deal.
So the RAW 420 is definitely a less part count and easier to build model. But! The FBL setup on the RS4 is super simple. The no soldering is also very nice on the RS4 and simple plug everything in and go. Parts will be cheaper on the RS4 vs the RAW 420. Luckily you have a step-by-step build videos from me to help you along the way of your build on which ever model you choose. The RS four has auto level right out of the box. I know you can set it on most FBLs on the market but the set up is so much easier for a newer person. So with that, I would recommend the RS4.
@WestHobbiesRC Thanks for that in depth answer comparing the two. Not having to solder or try to work out how to set up the fbl unit is an advantage for someone like me. Decisions decisions!
I'm so jealous I've been trying so hard to operate one of them just keep crashing
Lots and lots of practice. I’ve been flying for a long time.
Wow that's awesome guess I need to stop buying of brands and get a name brand
@@rodr686 What helicopter are you trying to fly now?
Well of brand HK 450 class with fly bar can't get it to bet staple
As you have flown both, do you prefer Raw 420 yellow or orange sheme? Especially in flight of course, for visibility.
So I really like the yellow. But! The orange looks amazing in the air stands out and has great visit ability. The orange might be a little easier to see.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 Thanks for that good info. I still hesitate !!! Why do you have two Raw 420? Backup, rekit? You don’t seem to have motor bogging or rpm drop with RAW 420 like some other seems/complain to have. About Hobbywing store gov mode did you have better results after initial flights on the yellow? It seems that standardization setup process without app works well with that motor, no need to specify 42 poles anywhere. Cheers.
The orange RAW 420s are not mine. I built them for a buddy. Mine is the yellow one from the build series. I didn’t bring mine the day I did the flight comparison and they are identical to mine as far as set up only difference is color. I don’t notice any motor bogging unless I run a low head speed and get hard on the collective. But because I am so used to flying nitro helicopters collective management is very easy for me. I also run 13 1/2° of pitch positive and negative. 3200 RPM is unstoppable on this model. Crazy power! I would not hesitate buying a 420! You will not be disappointed! I don’t run the governor on my personal 420 just flat curves and still don’t have any bogging.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 Thanks for detailed feedback, very useful!!
Can we swap the landing gear? I wanna try to reduce the weight on raw 420
Not sure, might be able to. You won’t be saving much weight and you don’t notice the weight difference in the air at all.
How did you get your tail wag out of the 420?
Only had a slight tail wag very slight and after about 20 flights it went away.
I'm extremely surprised by the massive weight difference. With both helis without their batteries, the Raw 420 is about 285 grams heavier than the RS4. About 28% heavier. Good job Goosky!!
In all honesty I was extremely surprised as well! I had no idea it was that much on the way different. But the 420 fly is very light in the air and you would never feel the difference flying both of them.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 😀A Rolls-Royce always weighs a little more but drives so light and softly!
@@carlhaentjens3548 definitely can’t feel the weight difference on both models in the air. They fly identical in terms of feel.
420 vs 380 blades though too so that extra weight is not 100% comparable. That extra 30mm * 2 length (22% more surface area) with the blades likely offsets that extra weight to some extent.
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what are your thoughts on the 420 vs a blade 480?
I don’t own a Blade fusion 480 (yet) but they are two different class models. The 420 (420mm blade) is smaller by a bit then the Fusion 480 (480mm blade but really a 550 class model) both are great models and I think the fusion 480 is incredible value. But I love my 420!
@@westhobbiesrc8051 Thanks, i think i'll be chasing after a 420 in the future. Your videos really help
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4:35 Feathering shaft should be 5mm
It’s 4mm, measured it with a caliper.
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Technically shouldn’t the 470L and RS4 should be a closer comparison
Never really interestet in RC Helicockters. Only XT60 conectors? I THAUGHT XT90 or something Larger in youse
YOu didn't mention some of the key components.
Frame carbon thickness.
Carbon layers, how many.
What weave is the carbon.
Stiffness of the carbon.
The shafts, you did mention, but how about the berings?
Aluminium parts, what grade are they at?
Main blade quality, how balanced are the blades?
Are they balanced as a set?
Stiffness of a complete frame.
How available is the spare parts. (also in europe)
And i belive, it should have been compared to the Goblin 380.
There are a lot of reasons, why the SAB is more expensive, especially as a 420 and not the 380.
Just my thoughts.
And i have been importing heli's from china, and i know where, they 'cut corners'.
What would the RS4 cost, with MKS servos, top of the line motor and ESC, Icon 2, same battery setup & blades as the SAB.
You are right, I did not. You should purchase both models out of pocket and do a full on review with all of that that you mentioned. It will make a great video!
@@westhobbiesrc8051 if you did all of that you would have a 2 hour video,lol
@@glenn4452 at least a two hour video and have to tear both helicopters completely apart back to the kits. I just personally don’t think anything stated above is useful to the every day person.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 Jeff, don't ever waste your time testing the items listed. Testing it with the Goblin 380 makes absolutely no sense whatsoever since it's not a direct drive. Testing carbon fiber weave is just unbeweeevable!
@@victorlugardo3703 trust me I would not lol Carbon weave means nothing to 99% of people. The goblin 380 is a great heli (I have one lol) but like you said it’s not a DD. It’s a whole different heli!
Those are two s*xy helicopters. (not in that way, I just mean they're both really epic and good looking helis.) But just one question, do the motors run cool or do they run hot? Also I must say that I like the servo configuration on the goosky better. The servos on the goblin are kinda hanging out a little bit, I feel like they'd be easier to shear off in a crash. The goosky has them tucked closer to its center and has them kinda protected and shielded by that carbon fiber armor.
Yes they are! No, the motors don’t run hot at all. Even after back to back flights. They stay cool. I think you mean the RAW 420 with the tail servo. The RAW 420 has the servo on the inside of the main frame. It is very protected!
@@westhobbiesrc8051 That's true, but the main servos on the Goosky are better protected than the main servos on the Raw 420. It only sucks that goosky decided to have the tail servo hanging out. Not a fatal flaw but a design flaw none the less. But I would still take the goosky over the raw 420 because even though the tail servo isn't as well protected as the raw 420, the main servos are much better protected than the raw 420. This is just my nitpick though, these helis both fly great and I would not mind having either one.
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Tl;dw- the Goblin is superior in every quantifiable way, but costs 40% more. You can buy a Goosky and tell yourself lies about it, or you can spend the extra money for the vastly superior machine and avoid the mental gymnastics
I'd go with the SAB because I know they make outstanding helicopters, and the name "goosky" is stupid.
Yes they do! SAB makes the best helis in the game but! The Goosky RS4 venom is quickly becoming my favorite 380 class heli!
@@westhobbiesrc8051 I recently picked up a Goosky S1 and it's a fantastic helicopter, But the name is still stupid. I'd still get the raw 420 but I will no longer count out Goosky, they make a good product.
Goosky. What a shameless copy of SAB heli.
It’s definitely not a copy, ideas taken yes! But copy no. Anther company did though!
Great comparison. What's the weight difference between them, complete with battery? Goosky parts will surely be cheaper as well I would assume.
Thank you, all weights between the two are in the video. Yes, RS4 parts are definitely cheaper. The 420 is my favorite but the RS4 is hard to beat!
@@westhobbiesrc8051 Maybe I missed it, but I watched the full video, and was watching for weights, but nope.
@@Gornflyin weights start at 25:00, no battery and battery on both models.