How to Fly VOR to VOR on Airways | No GPS | Cross Radials
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- čas přidán 4. 04. 2022
- Let's fly an IFR flight using only VORs. We'll fly KORF to W78 along this route: V1 DRONE V266 SBV. We introduced this flight in an earlier video on CZcams, as part of the complete IFR Ground School which you can check out at flight-insight.com/ifr
We'll use our VORs, estimated time enroute, and cross radials to navigate this route without GPS!
Please fly the vor's more often. I am a VOR FAA technician. I love working on the older equipment it keeps us sharp for the newer solid state equipment we are getting for us pilots. I hope all my hard work doesn't go to waste.
Very cool. I've only been inside a maintenance shack for VORs once. Where do you work?
@@flightinsight9111 I'm in technical support so my area is Ohio, West Virginia, Kentucky, Indiana, and a small part of Southern Illinois. Basically Indy airspace. I'm based in London Ohio at the long range RADAR.
@Bracket Racing That's cool I'd love to tour one sometime if you're open to it
@@flightinsight9111 definitely!
I’m in Seattle. Is there a way to go check out one of the VORTAC or VOR out here? SEA, OLM and PAE are all on airport property :( PAE is on top one of the buildings and it’s out of service right now :(
But the HQM VORTAC is on the Ocean Shores Peninsula, I wonder if it’s possible to visit? I’m training out of KRNT by the way :)
Another great video! I enjoy practicing VOR navigation in the sim. Navigation is a large part of the fun of flying to me. Its quite amazing to me how a relatively old technology is still widely used today.
I spent all morning flying low altitude airways and rnav approaches in Cali on the sim. Now you got me wanting to go practice my VOR skills! Thanks my friend!
I like to fly VORs in sim. It's much more fun than GPS. It's like riding your car with map rather than navigator. Thank you for your videos. Great explanations.
You're welcome! I think VORs are more fun too. Makes you feel like a real navigator.
Might be “old school”, but VORs are the FAA backup plan in case of a GPS outage. So, flying VOR airways is a skill we should maintain. Great video, good review. I plan on recommending to my students
They sure are! I for one am glad they're sticking around. Thanks for spreading the word!
In Europe, especially Belgium, GPS are not allowed during the the PPL checkride. So navigating either with visual ref points, VOR and/or NDBs is a must have in the competencies that the student pilot needs to master.
@SR22PILOT Wow I did not know they don't let you use GPS in Europe on the checkrides! Glad to provide some help for VORs then.
The FAA's decommissioning hundreds of VORs to save $, though, with the next big batch going dark in 2025. They say they'll be keeping a small number alive where it makes sense, though it'll be sparse. Eventually they'll be as rare as NDB beacons
@@JasonFarrell true, but the VORs that remain are being replaced with systems that have longer range. Both the Low and High will have a 70 nm range for aircraft at least 5000 feet AGL. Some are in operation now. IFR low charts now indicate the new systems that support the MON transition. I make sure cover this topic on every IPC. Want all students to understand what will remain if DoD takes down the GPS system in emergencies.
This sort of VOR to VOR flying was my favorite part of the PPL. Can’t wait to do more of it when I start IFR training! So much more fun than just following a line on the GPS.
1986 Flight Simulator 2. Navigation was done with the paper map, using the VOR on board. No GPS at the time. Thank for this nice demonstration.
A remarkable video - a wonderfully clear explanation and demonstration of what is confusing subject. Thank you.
Super video, old school flying!! Something professional seems to be done very easy!
Love these videos. You should make one on constant speed props or complex aircraft in general
Great video. Absolute basic flying. A must for every pilot from time to time
Agreed, and with the sim it's so much easier to do a full VOR flight. These days they're slim pickings.
WOW That's the only way to navigate back in my day. GPS was just coming of age when i Stopped flying as PIC in July '96. I did use LORAN back in the 80's & Early 90's. Loran was useless in weather. When I started Flying IFR there were many NON-Radar environment areas and subsequently a lot of mental gymnastics with times an mandatory reporting points & times to next Reporting point. No GPS/Ipads, Just a Enroot Chart in your lap, watch, your Flight plan on a Kneeboard, Don't for get the extra pens you were sure to drop one on the cockpit floor too. OH Only one Aircraft I ever flew had a GOOD working autopilot. Every thing back then was hand flown. Hope you know your Needle, Ball,& Airspeed Tequenick & Lost Comm Ruel's when sollid with 200 & 1/2 and you break an alternator belt.
Great presentation. Thanks
thanks for this video. I'm using it to tell my non flying friend about vor navigation.
great video, thanks
This is how I learned to navigate IFR. It’s also why I rarely flew “hard IFR” single pilot.
If the VOR station is on the same side as CDI deflection with a FROM indication, you are not yet at the intersection. If is opposite of the station location, you have past it. If using an HSI and you set your course to the radial being flown, this case the point of the course is 130. The tail will be to the station and course deviation will indicate correctly . The to/from arrow however always point to the station. In this case the tail of the course indicator. That still tell us we are headed to the station. Slightly confusing so just place the course arrow on 310 and use it like the old OBS.
One thing you forgot was to LOG the VOR test in the Airplanes log book if not done in the Previous 10 hours. I think that's still in the FAR's That was one of the first things Art Zander my FAA Designated Examiner expected me to CHK/LOG. So happens the MWC VOR 108.6 was on the field so I checked no.1 VOR against No.2 VOR for less than 4 degrees difference. Funny thing every thing worked fine until I radioed the tower for a take off clearance and Nothing. Flashed the landing light at the tower and they gave us light signals back to parking. Turns out there was a BAD MASTER Radio switch. So took my Check ride in a 172 with single navcom and ADF Dis have a marker beacons And GS/
Thanks for the video 👍. Which app did you use for time table?
You can do this navlog in skyvector
Turn
Time
Twist
Throttle
Talk
Track
How long is the timing on the outbound leg of the vor approach before turning onto hdg 216?
VOR/VOR is not the greatest idea but yeah can lead to some very interesting circumstances.
Please make a video on how to divert, I’m a student pilot and this would help a ton.
Check in with us on Tuesday!
Simulators replicate GPS flying reasonably well as there's very little real world inaccuracies and winds are automatically compensated. VOR flying in real world vs a simulator is going to be considerably different. Although within the tolerances of the equipment involved, accuracy varies considerably from one VOR to the next and varying winds will make your timing exercise much less exact.
I tried doing an IFR flight via victor airways, and I filed as such. But ATC saw my /G and in flight gave me an amended route direct to a GPS fix completely bypassing the victor airway.
Is there a way to communicate to ATC that I actually want to fly the victor airway? When I'm filing can I remove the /G in my airplane configuration?
Dear Sir, very nice channel. I want to ask you wich kind of Simulator you use it?
Looks like MSFS 2020
hi, may I know which model of this aircraft adopted in this video ?
What software are you using for the sim? Would love to get it and get some practice at home
which tool are you using to record the time in the navlog?
Hold on...do we really want to abandon vor’s...even ndb’s? What happens WHAT happens when stars in the sky come tumbling down...
PEOPLE... don’t get lazy
GPS, what's that. I used to use highways, railroads and water towers.
X-Plane or MSFS?
Is this MSFS 2020?
You turn knobs, you don’t twist them.
hey may i ask if you can share that navlog ? :) thank you
email at training@flight-insight.com and I'll shoot it over.
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Thats msfs or x-plane ? Addon flown ?
It's MSFS. No add ons on this one just the stock 172.
Yes! Though I edited the sim's sound out for this particular video for clarity.
This is just the way I prefer to navigate anyway. Using the GPS in flight sim just feels like cheating, once you've planned your route, there's little challenge.
what app do you use to set ur path?
Very good instruction but....for noobs it needs to be a little slower and repeated before moving on. Same with what freq is going to what com and why. I lost ya lol
Tring to hard to sound like aviation101
Your methods of teaching are very difficult to learn.
Great video. Absolute basic flying. A must for every pilot from time to time
If you think thats basic, try an NDB approach to mins
@@overthehorizonadventurerid108 Exactly how many ancient NDBs are left in the US? I couldn't google an exact number... GPS is taking over.
@@JasonFarrell It sure is. I fly outta the NorthEast and I think theres 1 on the upper half of the NY sectional and I doubt that its used for an approach. Its Johnstown NY freq 523 but no approach is associated with it :(
You ask why one would do this? For me, it's because the plane I fly doesn't have a GPS. Secondarily, it's good to be proficient in case the GPS system goes down either on your plane or with the satellites.
Agreed. This should be a compulsory item on the ACS -- done *in practice*, without GPS.