I have found in my 56 year short life (LOL) is that in MOST cases, you get what you pay for. As far as comparing one Battery Manufacturer to another, the difference i have found between 2 reputable companies, for the difference in PRICE, i personally feel that I'm better off buying Gens Ace Batteries! I have 6 Heli's and EVERY one has between 4 to 6 Batteries for it and EVERY one of them is a GENS ACE BATTERY! Great review John and for people who may not have been watching you for years, John knows what he is talking about!!! Stay well and stay safe my friend! ❤️🙏❤️
Rotorquest is a dealer in CA I believe. I fly the yellow GNB 380mah HV packs. Tight under the canopy but awesome performance and a little more flight time. I cut the XT30 lead off. I have a dozen, and all are excellent. I fly hard 3D for reference. Excellent video. 👍
I would do a capacity check on them. Find out if they are 400mah. I would do 4 cycles in the unit. Then do a full discharge then full charge. To find the stable MAH
I would hope you realize you can't fully discharge a LiPo pack under moderate load without destroying it. Why do you think I terminated at 80%? Because that is the agreed maximum discharge state a LiPo can handle under moderate load before off gassing its electrolyte.
Hi. I bought the M1 in October 2022 together with 2 gensace 400mAh packs an been doing indoor and outdoor flying weekly since then and now the stock OMP pack give me 2 minutes of flight time outdoor while the gensace still give me 4 min 50 sec of flight time. I fly soft 3D at 60% governor and all the time the gensace packs hold well past that time while the OMP pack bearly make it. The IR of the OMP pack also is significantly higher then the gensace packs now. The difference have been creeping up slowly as the packs have been used. I aimed for 5 minute of flying time but while the gensace batteries handled it the OMP pack did not and the heli engaged soft cut before that. So 4,50 was set on the timer but now the OMP pack don't hold it anymore. So clearly OMP have been saving money on the battery quality compared with gensace. Just saying.
Hard to believe a smaller, lighter pack would have more capacity to begin with anyway. How about the Align 400mah batteries? They're a bit larger but can still fit in the m1. I would hope they would have actual more capacity given the increased size.
Hi John, i am about to take the plunge at get M1 (my 1st heli) after watching you vids. Also will try to source these cells in the UK for it. Can i ask your advice/opinion? i will need a LIPO charger. Can you recommend a easy to use unit, i will never want to charge more than 3s packs. A mains only will suit ,12v is not a must option. thank you
Hi Gary, If all you want is a 2s or 3S charger, will never parallel charge, and one that plugs into the mains with no need for 12V DC power option, the OMPHobby Balance charger is an easy plug and play one. It does both the M1 2S packs and the m2 3S packs (only one at a time of course). No idea if it's universal voltage however and will work on UK 240V? Here's the link to it at BuddyRC if you wanted to look at the specs: www.buddyrc.com/collections/other-chargers/products/omphobby-balance-charger?ref=-ptdbz6d-llb&variant=39255679893692
I don't think so. A 30Amp plug is not needed on a micro heli that draws perhaps a maximum of 8 Amps during peak torque spikes. The JST-XH pins can easily handle 5A, my guess is you would only start seeing measurable voltage drops across the pins over 10A, but I've never tested them so that is as I said, just a guess.
@@Rchelicopterfun Yeah thats the thing, size...and weight. I just got 3 of these batteries today in the mail after watching your video. They fit right in there just right. 👍 just charged them too.
gens ace have been pulling bs lately. I bought their Gens Ace Bashing 2s 7.4v 400mah 35c, lipo and as soon as i took it out of the box i knew its no where close to 400mah. because i have a 400mah 30c lipo, and somehow gens ace's 400mah is somehow smaller and lighter than the battery its supposed to replace even though gens ace claimed 35c rating.
So what was the actual measured capacity of this pack during a discharge cycle? Just looking at a LiPo pack and basing a capacity assumption on size and weight is a very poor measurement device. And no, Gens Ace has not been pulling BS lately. What are you basing that presumption on - a single pack experience or multiple ones? Anecdotally, all their other packs I've purchased over the past 3 years have, if anything, been conservative on capacity ratings. These were the first ones I've had in that time frame that fell short.
Gens Ace GEA4002S60JST OMP M1 & T-Rex T15 Battery Pack
www.buddyrc.com/products/copy-of-gens-ace-5000mah-7-4v-2s2p-60c-hardcase-lipo-battery-shorty-pack-29-with-4-0mm-bullet-to-deans-plug?ref=-ptdbz6d-llb
I have found in my 56 year short life (LOL) is that in MOST cases, you get what you pay for. As far as comparing one Battery Manufacturer to another, the difference i have found between 2 reputable companies, for the difference in PRICE, i personally feel that I'm better off buying Gens Ace Batteries! I have 6 Heli's and EVERY one has between 4 to 6 Batteries for it and EVERY one of them is a GENS ACE BATTERY! Great review John and for people who may not have been watching you for years, John knows what he is talking about!!! Stay well and stay safe my friend!
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I laugh snorted when the radio said "s**t is about to get real..." 🤣🤣
Beautiful property.
Awesome stuff , i wish i could make a living doing this , pure passion and very interesting tech
Great tips, sir!! you are awesome scientist !! I feel like I have to go back to school !! that is the video we need to be sure about batteries !! tks
Rotorquest is a dealer in CA I believe. I fly the yellow GNB 380mah HV packs. Tight under the canopy but awesome performance and a little more flight time. I cut the XT30 lead off. I have a dozen, and all are excellent. I fly hard 3D for reference. Excellent video. 👍
Yeah I got my m1 evo on sale and 2 free gens ace packs from Rotorquest.
Great tips, man!! you are awesome scientist !! I feel like I have to go back to school !! that is the video we need to be sure about batteries !! tks
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Man you’re technical. If you’re not a teacher (other than with helis) you should be 👍
Voltage at the tail of the pack looked higher for the Gens Ace on the bench also. Didn't know that was a way packs varied. Interesting.
I would do a capacity check on them. Find out if they are 400mah. I would do 4 cycles in the unit. Then do a full discharge then full charge. To find the stable MAH
I would hope you realize you can't fully discharge a LiPo pack under moderate load without destroying it. Why do you think I terminated at 80%? Because that is the agreed maximum discharge state a LiPo can handle under moderate load before off gassing its electrolyte.
Hi.
I bought the M1 in October 2022 together with 2 gensace 400mAh packs an been doing indoor and outdoor flying weekly since then and now the stock OMP pack give me 2 minutes of flight time outdoor while the gensace still give me 4 min 50 sec of flight time.
I fly soft 3D at 60% governor and all the time the gensace packs hold well past that time while the OMP pack bearly make it.
The IR of the OMP pack also is significantly higher then the gensace packs now.
The difference have been creeping up slowly as the packs have been used.
I aimed for 5 minute of flying time but while the gensace batteries handled it the OMP pack did not and the heli engaged soft cut before that.
So 4,50 was set on the timer but now the OMP pack don't hold it anymore.
So clearly OMP have been saving money on the battery quality compared with gensace.
Just saying.
Cool video I like gens ace very good company 👍👍👍👍👍👍
Yes they are 👍
Hard to believe a smaller, lighter pack would have more capacity to begin with anyway. How about the Align 400mah batteries? They're a bit larger but can still fit in the m1. I would hope they would have actual more capacity given the increased size.
Thank you for this amazing video. I have the same heilo. Have you tried using a larger battery. 1000mah?
Hi John, i am about to take the plunge at get M1 (my 1st heli) after watching you vids. Also will try to source these cells in the UK for it. Can i ask your advice/opinion? i will need a LIPO charger. Can you recommend a easy to use unit, i will never want to charge more than 3s packs. A mains only will suit ,12v is not a must option. thank you
Hi Gary, If all you want is a 2s or 3S charger, will never parallel charge, and one that plugs into the mains with no need for 12V DC power option, the OMPHobby Balance charger is an easy plug and play one.
It does both the M1 2S packs and the m2 3S packs (only one at a time of course). No idea if it's universal voltage however and will work on UK 240V?
Here's the link to it at BuddyRC if you wanted to look at the specs:
www.buddyrc.com/collections/other-chargers/products/omphobby-balance-charger?ref=-ptdbz6d-llb&variant=39255679893692
Could the XH plug be a limiting factor? I know they did it to save weight, but wouldnt an xt30 plug or GNB27 be better?
I don't think so. A 30Amp plug is not needed on a micro heli that draws perhaps a maximum of 8 Amps during peak torque spikes. The JST-XH pins can easily handle 5A, my guess is you would only start seeing measurable voltage drops across the pins over 10A, but I've never tested them so that is as I said, just a guess.
Will this also fit the M1 EVO?
Yep.
I wonder if you could get a 450mah in there?
If you could find one with the exact same dimensions which is unlikely - size is critical.
@@Rchelicopterfun Yeah thats the thing, size...and weight. I just got 3 of these batteries today in the mail after watching your video. They fit right in there just right. 👍 just charged them too.
gens ace have been pulling bs lately. I bought their Gens Ace Bashing 2s 7.4v 400mah 35c, lipo and as soon as i took it out of the box i knew its no where close to 400mah. because i have a 400mah 30c lipo, and somehow gens ace's 400mah is somehow smaller and lighter than the battery its supposed to replace even though gens ace claimed 35c rating.
So what was the actual measured capacity of this pack during a discharge cycle? Just looking at a LiPo pack and basing a capacity assumption on size and weight is a very poor measurement device. And no, Gens Ace has not been pulling BS lately. What are you basing that presumption on - a single pack experience or multiple ones? Anecdotally, all their other packs I've purchased over the past 3 years have, if anything, been conservative on capacity ratings. These were the first ones I've had in that time frame that fell short.