This Song ACCIDENTALLY Made It on “Thriller”
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- čas přidán 29. 02. 2024
- This week we're diving into the story of the song that accidentally ended up on "Thriller", including demos and alternate takes.
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Steve Porcaro telling the story of this song: • Steve Porcaro Story Be...
Steve Porcaro Demo: • Video
Michael Demo: • Video
• Steve Porcaro: Human N...
Also "Interview 5" with Quincy from the Thriller 25 album
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TOPICS COVERED
Michael Jackson
Quincy Jones
Toto
Thriller
Human Nature
Demo
Breakdown
Stems
Multitracks
Alternate Takes
Africa
Steve Porcaro
Jeff Porcaro
Steve Lukather
David Paisch
#michaeljackson #thriller #musichistory
Replacing Carousel with Human Nature was honestly one of the smartest decisions they made that led Thriller to being the legendary perfect album it is today.
It does feel weird thinking about Thriller with Carousel instead... doesn't quite feel right. I do like Carousel, but it almost feels like it belongs not on Thriller, and not Off The Wall, but some sort of in between album
@@diggingthegreats I often think about if they released an album in the 1984-1985 period, like the “One Day In Your Life” album released in 1981 with teenage Michael songs. It could’ve released all these completed songs like Hot Street and Carousel in a compilation album, capitalizing on Thrillermania. However, Michael was very concerned with overexposure, so I doubt it could’ve happened that way.
@@diggingthegreatsIt sounds like it would be a B-Side song. Still good though.
@@_mango_ Times were different back then... I hear you but man, man
I feel like carousel would've fitted on on thriller prolly after the girl is mine going into thriller Sound wise I feel like the would've definitely worked But then there wouldn't be lady in my life at the end to smooth the whole album out
“Human nature” is a song on the one hand about the happiness of being young, about the joy of love, discovering new things, but on the other hand it comes down to the question of where evil comes from in people, why we continue to commit it.
There is no such thing as "good" without evil... there is no peace without war... no happiness without sadness.
I wouldn’t say “evil”. More like the limitations of a young person’s social tool set.
@@KtotheG complete and utter nonsense. You do not need to be sad to know what happiness feels like. You do not need war to know the feeling of peace.
@@InsideOutAnus Yin and Yang, my friend. Every force in nature has an antithesis. Newton's 3rd Law of Physics.
Because man is born in sin. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Thats why all need a savior. The wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life thru Jesus Christ our Lord. Jesus Christ is the way the truth and the life no one comes to the Father except thru Him. Repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved.
Michael recorded this song all in one take at 4am after taking a nap in the studio. That’s the insane part.
huh theres multiple takes u can hear of michael singing the whole song here on youtube
Michael doesn’t record in pieces. He records every track from beginning to end. I think that’s how he means it
@@riverdean7that’s a lie.
@@SideEyeee_ no it aint,ive heard here on youtube different versions of human nature singing from start to finish,so he didnt do it in 1 take thats ridiculous,being a perfectionist he dont do any songs in 1 take
@@riverdean7There's a video of the people who were there with MJ when he recorded the song. He did it in one take.
MJ was a master of texture. If I were a vocalist, I’d be totally doing what MJ does: all those little vocal gestures, the snapping of fingers during the vocal takes and the rhythmic air intakes. Phenomenal!
YES. ALL of that, my g
That part they don't know tho bro bro 🤫
Very unique and adds alot of character to the track
The weekend does that
I learned it from MJ
Toto’s influence on the Thriller album is insane, perhaps it would a nice deep dive into how the best session musicians made those classic 80s albums.
Wow! Did not know Toto was involved with MJ's Thriller. Quincy Jones definitely knows how to put a group of talented people together.
Check out Rick Beato’s CZcams channel. He talks with Steve Lukather quite a bit and there are many stories about the songs on Thriller. In fact I just watched a short yesterday where Steve talks about coming up with the guitar riff on “Human Nature”.
There’s also some great stories about “Beat It” too.
Steve Lukather is a beast. The 80's was a really golden era, with lots of talented people pushing the limits of creativity. Steve Lukather, the Porcaro brothers, David Paich and Quincy was among these, just to name a few.
@@melrupinski88I’ll definitely check it out. Rick Beato does some great videos.
Imagine being the daughter that this was actually written for and hearing MJ sing it and it being one of the best songs ever and sampled still to this day.
Imagine the boy that accidentally hit the girl which was the inspiration behind the song. If it wasn't 4 that incident there wouldn't be no HN. Somebody should try to find & interview that boy & girl, I would ❤ to see it. Now I wonder if MJ ever met them or talked to anyone of them ijs lol.
"The song is in Halftime" in my non musical head "no, it's in It Ain't Hard to Tell"
I see what you did there.
Just cracked me up 😅
Ok we get it already you're a legend sheesh there you happy now lol
As a hip hop loving dad, this joke hits
I excel then prevail
6:13 legendary synth. Gave me goosebumps as a kid
NOW IMAGINE hearing hum nature raw and in a dark room in the studio unexpectedly for the 1st time 😮😮😮😮😮 had to be a magical moment
They were all stunned as he was recording it.
If I could have been a fly on the wall in the room to hear the raw version!!❤❤❤
Drives me crazy knowing I could never experience that
So magical that it was sampled by SWV for the"Right Here" remix, and rapper Nas(from sister label Columbia Records) for "It ain't hard to tell"
Human Nature & Lady in my life .. we’re such these amazing haunting ballads.. I loved the track listing arrangements.. with the upbeat pop PYT in the middle of the two.. Thriller album was and still is & will always be the quintessential.. kudos Quincy jones ❤
My fave MJ song of all time... The music, MJ's voice, his tone, the care that he put into singing this track is timeless...
Carousel is fresh but I'm so glad it got bumped. Human Nature is one of my all time favorite MJ songs. Well done, good sir, well done.
Steve Porcaro did another similar song with Michael Jackson right after Thriller. It's called Dream Away. The boys from Toto really outdid themselves during that period.
Also For All Time. Steve Porcaro is the only Toto member to be on all MJ albums untill 1995. David Paich played alot of MJ songs too only not on Off the Wall album. Steve Lukather only in Thriller album and Stranger in Moscow and Jeff Porcaro on Thriller album and Dangerous.
Don't forget Chicago 1945, Dream Away, and another unheard song that Michael did with Steve Porcaro called "Warrior" during the Thriller sessions.
@@Meelwormmyep they were longtime MJ collaborates
And another one for thriller, for all time
One of the greatest songs ever
@@daanfischer5452 No For All Time was made for the Dangerous in 1989 - 1990 . One of the people who worked with Michael named Brad Sundberg said that it was worked on during the Dangerous sessions, and was replaced by Gone Too Soon on the Dangerous album. The demo was leaked back in January, 2023 czcams.com/video/F75DalD7u68/video.htmlsi=VQ77dAIUpl7uMHwx and the unfinished master czcams.com/video/RCAF5Cszkpk/video.htmlsi=KDhihrbjHuV8FS6c was leaked in 2002. As Porcaro said in November, 2022 in his seminar, he recorded a demo for Michael in 1989 czcams.com/video/D7NJQbqkqlg/video.htmlsi=dsSsVgrgjxzbYPCv giving off a Human Nature vibe for his new album (which was also leaked in poor quality recorded during his seminar). In 2006, Michael asked Steve Porcaro and Michael Sherwood to rework For All Time for Thriller 25 despite it being outdated. czcams.com/video/54703WkoChI/video.htmlsi=0dxhBgVK7ySQBHof
I had no idea Human Nature wasn't supposed to be in. But it still surprises me when it comes to MJ and how he put everything together that he and Quincy did.
They take all the credit and yet it's not their song
@@alphatrion100 When did they take all the credit?
Toto has been, easily, one of my favorite groups of all time! For so many reasons…
They're just so good 🔥
The best session band of the 80s.
One of the greatest songs ever saw the light of day by happy accident…as much as I love “Carousel,” I can’t lie and say “Human Nature” isn’t a watershed song and moment for Michael as a singer.
Sadly I’m partially tainted with this song being what I was listening to when my family got the news of his passing but I still appreciate its genius and beauty. Grateful it came to light. 🌹🙏🏽💯
I'll say this every chance I get... Human Nature is my favourite song of all time and I'll never get tired hearing/talking about its history.
Funny enough, I was rewatching the Thriller documentary yesterday.
Keep up the good work. 🙌🏾🇿🇦
hey i’m a rapper and i was thinking about sampling it , do you think somone could/should do that?
@@crytstalcrust swv - right here did it , but i think might be costy to clear MJ samples😅 , unless u change them in such a way it isnt recognizeable anymore (or get instrumentplayers replay the notes, so its a new "original" sample of that song)
Miles Davis played his version of this song. The result was amazing.
Did you watch "The Greatest Night in Pop" Documentary about the making of the song "we are the world" ? it just came out, Really good. Never knew how heavily involved michael was in the making of that song. Awesome watch.
@@crytstalcrust Nas sampled it on "It aint hard to tell" and Swv, too. YEEEEAAAARs ago.
Human Nature alongside Liberian Girl are my favourite two tracks of his. Lovely break down of its origins thanks xd
Literally same! 😫😫😫
great taste. two of his most ethereal and captivating songs. wonderful sonic textures.
Human nature is the most beautiful song on thriller and one of my all time favs
Songwriter Steven Ray, who worked along with Anthony Marinelli on Thriller, was the messenger that Quincy sent over to pick up the tape from Steve Porcaro and David Paich. He directly confirmed the auto-reverse theory on the Stories In The Room podcast, which can be seen on CZcams.
I love how the breaths were left in a lot of the takes back then. It sounds so much more natural and makes a world of difference in the vibe of a song.
Now with digital editing everything in pop is cut out so air tight and clean it sounds « asepticized ».
Exactly. Listen to the intro to Billie Jean. Michael snapping his fingers and beat boxing before he enters his first verse. Even the crying on the outro to "She's Out Of My Life". That wouldn't exist post 2000. Music has really taken a hit.
@saintkevinofficial Not to be contrarian but Adele has a song where she is crying at the end
@@TickingClocks really? Can you link me to it?
@saintkevinofficial It's called My Little Love, beautiful song about explaining divorce to her young child.
Glad I don't live in this alternate reality where Human Nature doesn't exist on Thriller. Didn't appreciate it as an 80s baby, but I sure did come to realize it's beauty as an adult later in life, now it's a Top 3 MJ song for me, personally.
6:02 Not only did Michael sing in a lower key in the demo, but when he sung it live, especially in the Bad tour, he sung it in a lower key, along with many of his songs. I believe he sung it low in the Dangerous tour as well.
No.. it was all the original key
michael jackson usually lowered the key of the songs when singing live, but he never did that with human nature, not even at 50 years old.
During the Dangerous Tour the body of the concert came from a tape. His lipsyncing was fenomenal in those years.
@@DolleDriesRoelvinkbut that was in other songs, he never lip synced "human nature"
@@DolleDriesRoelvinkhe mimed better then most artists
Human Nature is my favorite song of all time. Not just MJ songs, but songs *PERIOD* The vibes are just so strong. It's almost indescribable. Also the live performances of it are amazing.
Well, I much prefer SWV's "Right Here (Human Nature Remix) which is a completely different song built around "Human Nature".
@@SpaceCattttt Nah
@@primeminister66 Yah.
The live performances of it are absolutely fantastic. MJ's vocals are so good. And the dances. And the 'chih chih' or however you spell that noise he makes during parts of it. :P
@@carn9507 He does the same "chih chih" sound on This Place Hotel.
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My first piece of vinyl❤🔥❤🔥
Let's not forget the sublime dream like feel of Jeff Porcaro's drums and Paulinho Da Costa percussion tracks. RIP Jeff/Mike Porcaro.
Putting aside that I am a fan of Michael Jacksons work, Human Nature is truly one of the greatest songs ever made and released. Everything from the vocals to the production of it always makes my hairs stand. I could never articulate what it was about this particular song that always grasped something emotional in me. Amazing video as always!!
Found this channel a few weeks ago! Subbed and alerts are ON!
LOVE the in depth work you put in and how you present it.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and YOURSELF in each one of these jemz!
Glad to have you here! I love diving through music and making these videos 🔥
This reminds me of how James Brown was jamming with his drummer Stubblefield at the studio. Stub was just playing beats and James said "stop...play that again!" The drum pattern was repeated again and Funky Drummer was born. Stubblefield never was too crazy about the beat but recorded it anyway at JB's insistence
John Mayer's version at Jackson's funeral was great. He didnt sing and didnt "over-shred", he let the track speak for itself.
Yeah I thought that performance was the greatest of that entire night! So amazing
I believe he did it justice by performing the song that way. I recently rewatched the memorial since 2009 & Johns performance stood out for me, I truly appreciate it now ❤
@@thandondwandwe3987 yes couldn’t have been better! I usually never like it when people cover Michael Jackson because his voice is so distinct. Nobody can sing a Michael Jackson song better than Michael, but what John did on guitar did it perfect justice! Made it his own but kept it so classy, didn’t overplay at all, 10/10
@@niekvanwensen 100% agree
Wow man…. You’re story telling, descriptions and graphics are SOO top notch! Subscribed!
This man is a genius, he's dicected the song piece by piece like a mechanic scrapping down an engine patiently
Oh man, I'm so glad for that happy accident. "Human Nature" happens to be one of my favourite MJ songs, my second favourite on Thriller after "Lady in My Life". Great track.
Recognition of Toto as one of the greatest rock bands of history, together with this amazing breakdown equals instant sub from me! 😊
I had no idea Toto wrote it until I watched “Thriller 40”. Both “Carousel” & “Baby Be Mine” are really good songs, too bad they had to get bumped.
back in 1983, and 84...Baby Be Mine, was my warm-up song to get to the other songs on the album.
Baby Be Mine made the album and carousel got bumped
@@Cubbie410 Hot Street should have edged out Baby Be Mine
@@Cubbie410 You’re right, I was thinking “Sunset Driver”
@@paulgilbert5278 no disagreements there.. I too think it fits better after starting somethin.. however baby be mine does work as girl is mine is a slow track
I had the pleasure of playing on a session with Steve Porcaro… last year..
Good 4 u but did u guys chat about him working with MJ?
No! I was asking Steve about being a session player and what was recording session like in the 80’s and 90’s
@@daveshulguitar762 oh wow okay but tks 4 replying back anyways👍
Human Nature was one of my favorite songs off that album....hell it's one of my favorite MJ songs period.
This song has a way of sneaking into albums, even in the SWV album It's About Time, it comes in as a remix
I’ve started listening to thriller again in the last week! What a Quincy-dence!
The perfect album at the perfect moment that probably wouldn't have worked at any other time; 'THRILLER' was literally the album we needed but didn't deserve.
I'm three videos into this channel and can't believe I haven't picked this up before now. This is what my CZcams feed is made for! Amazing work.
Welcome! Glad you here 🔥
You and pdbass are absolutely the *best* at this sort of dissection and reassembly.. *Unmatched* ✨
One of the best YT music analysis videos I've seen it a long time!
So much depth to it, masterful!
I love your content man, I love the way you describe the music
I heard that Carousel was written by Mike "Maniac" Sembello - a great tune but instrumentally and feel-wise it was more in the vein of "the lady in my life" and "the girl is mine", heavily driven by a chorused Rhodes electric piano, another 80s slow jam.
Man, I love this! I had no idea of the history behind the song. I also loved that Can’t Help It video you did.
Dope video as usual. A fan from the beginning. Keep up the amazing content.
For some reason, when I read the title, I immediately thought of Human Nature. Such a gorgeous song, but unlike the other songs on that classic album. Especially love the synth in it which gives it such a unique sound. Love your enthusiasm as well and how you expertly broke this song down. New sub right here.
Great video and breakdown! I was familiar with the story behind this incredible track, but I enjoyed how you broke it down especially using the original demos. Appreciate your channel and all of your incredible content. Salute!
Thank you for posting this❗️🎶❤️
I just stumbled over your channel for the first time, and I love it! I learned so much. Looks like I have a lot of your work to catch up on.
What a great video this is. Your love for music is apparent and infectious. You just gained a subscriber.
I do not get tired of this story and am very excited for your take on it because I know you’re going to get to it!
I really appreciate these videos. I am noticing I have been slowly doing similar things in my own songs and I just love the grooves I make :) thanks for this boss
Professor, I think it's so cool that you are able to get the demo recordings and vocal a capella separations. That's so lucky, it definitely helps with your video lessons.
Omgosh.. How have I never seen this channel before??! Took a peek at some more of its content and subscribed straight away!! Gunna share these videos with my Sisters 🥰
Thank you for explaining and delivering it perfectly of how magical this crossover between Toto and Michael Jackson feels 🙏
One of my favorite songs on the Thriller album.
Just found your channel, this video is excellent. I love your style! Definitely earned a sub today.
It's crazy as MJ has been quoted as saying that Human Nature is his favorite song that he has done. Even though he did not write . He certainly made it his own.
Now I understand why this song is included on Quincy Jones's 'With Love From Q', containing all of Quincy's favorites.
"Human Nature" with MJ on vocals and Miles Davis on trumpet - now that is a collab I wish had been done by the two musical greats while they both were alive! (If you haven't heard Miles' cover of the song, it's a real treat.)
Best cover by Miles Davis.
"You're Quincy Jones ...... You're not" 😂😂😂😂
awesome breakdown of my favorite song from thriller!
you make such specific videos, i love them all. greetings from arg 🇦🇷
Carousel should have been released as a single or on a Movie soundtrack during Thriller Era it would’ve been huge as well
this channel is so full of warming,heartfull passion.like it so much!greetings from germany ❤
The song "Human Nature" still sends chills down my spine whenever I hear it. And its 2024! One heck of an amazing sexy song💙💙💙
Human Nature has always been my FAVORITE Michael Jackson song!🥰 And this little history lesson just makes it so much more special
Human Nature is one of those songs where I never really thought much of it way back when. I never disliked it I always liked it but one day listening to the record out of nowhere I realized it's my favorite song on the record if not the best song on the record.
Good breakdown. I love breaking down songs. The best way to improve songwriting is to analyze why you live certain songs. I loved how you talked about how they filled the space with percussion. I’m a trap music enthusiast, so while I love a good snare, I love hi hats and other percussion just as much. I love how this track was produced.
this is my favourite song
As soon as you said toto it all clicked in my head. I don’t know how I didn’t hear their influence sooner! Amazing!!
Your vids and the love of music are god tier. ❤
yoooo the background musicc BOPPS
Great video! 👍🏾 Keep up the good work! 💜
Wow, what a great story about an incredible song. Thanks for sharing 👍🏻🎸🕺
This was awesome. Thank you for the breakdown and history. Great song
love this episode!!
One of his best songs ever, gorgeous melody, vocal performance and beautiful moving lyrics.
One of the happiest accidents I've ever heard of. Its one of my favorite songs on the album honestly, leading to such other songs that it was a sample
Love your music history break downs❤
I swear DTG sometimes reads my mind, because i was thinking about running this album back 🔥 🤔
I got you! There's too much incredible music to cover, not enough time!
This is very interesting. And you explain things well.
Many thanks for this.
Well done 👍
Human Nature is one of my favorite Michael Jackson songs. I’m glad you broke down the backstory ❤❤❤
Damn I love this channel!
Not to mention a Linn drum pattern even Prince 0)+> would be proud of.
This is my favourite MJ song, and had no idea of all this. Thank you for sharing!
The CZcams algorithm strikes again. I just listened to Teddy Pendergrass only live recording of Lady by Kenny Rogers in concert. Low and behold this was suggested. You have a new subscriber my dude. Keep the great material coming. I've sent this out to all my buddies who are music aficionados themselves 💯💯💯
I love these kinds of stories, it makes me listen to the music and think about it while I'm listening.
Btw the space on the recording will be down to Bruce Swedien he did that all the time to make other parts of the music stand out.
Bless Bruce Sweiden RIP
This song is so good dude the whole album is just a creation of Pop brilliance from all around
This is such a dope channel.
Human Nature is a perfect track. Everything about it is a masterpiece.
One of the best songs on the whole album hands down
Excellent channel. thanks
Dude this is cool ! good content
Magic, magic, magic!! Quincy said it best...That album was touched by GOD, Thirller doing what it did all over the world had something to do with Divinity! Period. Great Vid Sir. 👍
Informative; thank you!
Music can be so spiritual and provides endless opportunities for collaboration.