Absolutely love the case shape and size, would absolutely buy it in a heartbeat if it wasn't ruined by the pointless date complication - why won't manufacturers offer their watches both with and without date options? I can't be the only potential customer they've lost... Excellent video thank you Tim 👍🏻👍🏻
Why do brands like Certina use the butterfly clasp on sport watches? No on-the-fly micro adjustment or micro adjustments at all. I understand the straps but not the mesh. Seems odd.
This watch can be an affordable Datejust/Explorer alternative type watch.Rugged everyday wearer.Im not crazy about the open casebacks on all their watches and would prefer just a regular eta 2824 or 2892 in Certina's watches as opposed to the modified high power reserve movements that they use along with Mido,Hamilton and Tissot.I can attest that they are well performing movements but I guess Im just old school.
I'm with you on the display casebacks. It's hardly a handsome movement! That said, back when I first got into the hobby I loved them!, so maybe enthusiasts aren't their target audience. And I felt the same about the P/matic 80, I didn't want to sacrifice the 2824's 4hz but now I own a few of them? I really like that extended PR. Mine have always been very well regulated too, pretty much within COSC generally. But yep, once the deals start showing up I'll be picking up one of these.
I’d also prefer a 4hz but at the same time, if having the lower beat rate puts me off on the watch, then the watch really wasn’t for me. I have the Hamilton Cooper and it would be amazing to have the high beat but I love the watch so much that I don’t care.
Nice watch. I suppose it's a kind of dressy field watch. I have two Certina watches, both quartz. They are very robust and well built. I dropped one once on a hard floor and was expecting some damage, but everything was fine. That's the DS for you.
Have you ever seen the upscaled 'models' they use to show off the DS system? They make a mock up piece, about 300mm in diameter with the appearance that a wedge has been removed, so you can see exactly how the case is constructed and the movement is seated. The rubber gasket between the case and movement is really substantial, as are the seals at every case opening. They are definitely very well constructed watches.
This is, in my opinion, a great watch. They price point is very reasonable and I do like that this re-issue is close to the original. This DS-2 will be on my shopping list upon released!
I've heard you criticize Certina in the past as a 'mall watch' but you could say the same of Tissot, Seiko, or Longiness if you go to the right mall!! Glad to see you give this watch a nod of appreciation 🤓
They've actually just released a smaller PH200M... with 'diamond' indicies. Fair to say it's not aimed at you and me. I'm lucky in that the original size fits me well. The case is 41, it's the bezel that accounts for the remaining 1.8mm and though lthe lug to lug is long, the springbar placement is excellent making it wear different to the on paper specs. All that said, you still need a < 7" wrist to wear one.
@@anthonysmith2982 yeah that’s a waste of time for men lol. It was just on the edge for my 6.5 inch wrist, but never looked right on natos and that’s important for me
Cool to review Certina. You do not see them in US or Canada. I recently got an easy-read sporty Rose Gold DS-1 (note, some Certina designs often have hands that do not stand out from the dial when reading time). Yes, I know Rose Gold PVD is not the greatest over time. However, enjoying it as it's a break from all my stainless steel watches. As usual, Tim has picked out an awesome model and design.
Indeed, a bit muted. A red tip in the seconds hand would be a simple but effective move to add more color and joy to the dial, like in the original one.
Really like the overall look, but yet another lower tier swatch group product with the low beat powermatic movements means it’s a hard pass from me :-(
If it was smaller (around 38mm) and had the turtle engraving case back, I'd buy one. But, as the modern world of watches goes, it's too big and has an exhibition case back that exposes a movement that does not need to be seen.
Hi Tim, when I saw the silver model at 3:24 I thought "this watch is for wearing on a rainy day". And then at 3:52 you included the sound of rain in your video. A significant coincidence, Carl Jung would have said. By the way, rain should not be considered bad weather anymore. Here in Chile we are suffering from drought for 10 years now and for us "bad weather" is precisely that it no longer rains. Climate change, I guess. Best regards!
Looks really good to me in blue. I am really impressed with my recent Certina purchase so come sale time I will certainly be looking out for one of these at a better price.
Tim, thanks for all your great videos, they're great to listen and watch to. But ... no thanks for this video ... now I am obsessed by this watch 🤣, it's gonna cost me a lot money 😉.
I’m fascinated by the high-accuracy quartz Precidrive Certina watches but the cheaper ones are dainty little women’s watches that would look comical on my wrist. The claims of accuracy due to putting the crystal and other parts in a near-vacuum and doing temperature compensation, despite an ordinary oscillation frequency of 32768 Hz, are things I’d like to test for myself.
I'm not a fan of tonneau cases, but it is difficult to judge from a rendering. Waiting for the first reviews with some live action shots. BTW, I would be glad to trade a week of your pouring rain for a week of our sunshine - we are having a bit of a drought here...
A nice piece with a modernized (G.Genta) style C-shaped case (like my old 1969 Omega Constellation) You mentioned a screw down crown, however the pic does not show a real screw down crown.It features a very nice piece of box shaped double domed sapphire crystal to mimic the old plastic crystal perfectly without all those disadvantages. If the ticker came with a real s.d.crown it would sure get a place on my list. 👍👍👍
@@IDKline Hi I.D. Kline, I cannot find this, can you please send a link ? The pic of the DS system does definitely not show a screw down crown system though.
Hey Tim- Double, not Doubel. One thing I learned in German class at college is that there is no such thing as a Spelling Bee in Germany. No need. But bees are common in English classes. No spell check when I went to scool in the Stone Age. We had to learn how to spell with a piece of paper and a piece of pencil. No complaints, just fyi. Danke.
Nice watch, but mesh bracelet is a lazy choice, as opposed to a bracelet with fitted end links. Why not offer both? It also looks like it would have terrible lume. However, in terms of style, I would take this over a Yema Wristmaster. Certina is an interesting brand, but Swatch limits their availability around the world. I have been interested in their PH200 diver, but I think that watch is slightly too big.
My father's Certina Argonaut is what got me into watches... and I even bought a Certina Club 2000 as NOS. Probably best spent 200€. If you ever want to make a video about it, do let me know ;)
I am a new fan of Certina as I have the split second chronograph and I am looking to get one of there automatics a better choice of powermatic 80 than the Tissot I think. On the High street in Edinburgh Certina is displayed alongside IWC, just a pity their chronometers are all quartz.
The case size suits me but my little 36 mm Hamilton is the more interesting watch from what I see here. Even though that Hamilton is a bit small for me I couldn’t imagine changing a single thing on it aesthetically.Regardless, these are cool watch is too good video.
Hi CBTim. A good summation of Certina. If the brand was an album it’d be 80% filler / 20% killer. Their Heritage line is where they shine, particularly the re-issues like the DS PH200m, DS Chronograph Automatic and this DS-2 (it's on the Certina site now, at least in my part of the world) otherwise you do have to cherry-pick. The DS Powermatic 80 is a good example of a great new addition. Also, they often tend to cater to larger wrists, though the 38mm DS Acton diver is beginning to get a following. Anyway, really excited about this release and will most likely sell a 3 hander to make room for it in a few months. You can always find good discounts on the brand if you are patient. 🙏
It's a great looking watch and you are right about the 80/20 thing; Certina are a bit like Bulova in that respect - only the heritage/reissues are worth looking at.
I agree. I have a large wrist and can definitely wear the 40mm, but this case shape? 38-39mm max. You can pick up a vintage DS-2 pretty easily and for a good price. The originals are 38mm (from memory) and Certina's pre-Swatch Grp. in-house mov'ts are *very* well made.Hi CBTim. A good summation of Certina. If the brand was an album it’d be 80% filler / 20% killer. There Heritage line is where they shine, re-issues primarily like the DS PH200m, DS Chronograph Automatic
It looks fantastic 😊, but i have read that it is 40x38? You said 40x48? Can you affirm your measurmets info, please 🙏.. i thought 38 L2L is to small 😳..
Have you seen the new Maen Manhatten 37? I noticed it on their website this weekend. Available for pre-order on April 5! Looks like another solid watch.
Yes, unfortunately these price statements are complicated when you want to do it the right way. In Europe it is even law that you must state the price incl. VAT.
I just learnt that Vostock and Blancpain shared the Ring Lock caseback design and now Certina have a wobbly non shock crown stem......Hmm, either Blancpain had an agent in post revolutionary Russia, or Vostocks story of having to design elegant engineering solutions to their problems of production and indeed existing patents is a load of toss and they copied madly, perhaps from neglected patents, ( you have to maintain patents), disguarded Swiss tech? Am gonna have to compare production dates but sure as shizer Vostock wasn't producing divers in 1953. When was Certinas wobbly crown produced?
The trouble with Certina is that it's competing with Tissot and Hamilton, which are more well known and have a higher profile globally, so it will always get squeezed between then two. Mido has the same problem but has managed to carve out a market in Latin American and Asia, whereas Certina is not well known outside Europe.
@@stanostano7674 I live in the UK and here the three best selling Swatch brands are: Tissot, Hamilton and Longines. Rado comes after these and Omega is also popular as a prestige brand. Certina is not sold in the biggest jewellers and Mido is completely absent from the UK market.
Absolutely love the case shape and size, would absolutely buy it in a heartbeat if it wasn't ruined by the pointless date complication - why won't manufacturers offer their watches both with and without date options? I can't be the only potential customer they've lost...
Excellent video thank you Tim 👍🏻👍🏻
My pleasure ;-)
@@IDKline I'm up for that 🤗 ... Where to start? Spam 'em with emails? ..... open to ideas 😉
Cheers mate.👍🏻
I would rather there to be a date complication than a ghost date position, but I agree this design would look better without a date.
Fair point. Especially as original DS2 came with the choice of date or no date. Not difficult to find if a vintage no date version is anyone's thing.
I agree with the dual options but not with the "ruined". The date window was put well there.
Why do brands like Certina use the butterfly clasp on sport watches? No on-the-fly micro adjustment or micro adjustments at all. I understand the straps but not the mesh. Seems odd.
Certina I like it but the fonts are annoying and stick to automatic, powermatic 80 on everything is getting annoying
This watch can be an affordable Datejust/Explorer alternative type watch.Rugged everyday wearer.Im not crazy about the open casebacks on all their
watches and would prefer just a regular eta 2824 or 2892 in Certina's watches as opposed to the modified high power reserve movements that they use along with Mido,Hamilton and Tissot.I can attest that they are well performing movements but I guess Im just old school.
I'm with you on the display casebacks. It's hardly a handsome movement!
That said, back when I first got into the hobby I loved them!, so maybe enthusiasts aren't their target audience.
And I felt the same about the P/matic 80, I didn't want to sacrifice the 2824's 4hz but now I own a few of them? I really like that extended PR. Mine have always been very well regulated too, pretty much within COSC generally.
But yep, once the deals start showing up I'll be picking up one of these.
I’d also prefer a 4hz but at the same time, if having the lower beat rate puts me off on the watch, then the watch really wasn’t for me. I have the Hamilton Cooper and it would be amazing to have the high beat but I love the watch so much that I don’t care.
I love Certina. Happy to see you cover them. Great value on the grey market in the USA.
Nice watch. I suppose it's a kind of dressy field watch. I have two Certina watches, both quartz. They are very robust and well built. I dropped one once on a hard floor and was expecting some damage, but everything was fine. That's the DS for you.
Have you ever seen the upscaled 'models' they use to show off the DS system?
They make a mock up piece, about 300mm in diameter with the appearance that a wedge has been removed, so you can see exactly how the case is constructed and the movement is seated.
The rubber gasket between the case and movement is really substantial, as are the seals at every case opening.
They are definitely very well constructed watches.
You're darn right; sabre-tooth tigers were a real hazard in the 1960's.
We use to have one, so I speak from experience.
This is, in my opinion, a great watch. They price point is very reasonable and I do like that this re-issue is close to the original.
This DS-2 will be on my shopping list upon released!
Wish they had
i ) made it smaller 38-39 mm Watch trends are going smaller
ii) kept the metal case back w the turtle logo like the original
HAMILTON KHAKI AVIATION PILOT PIONEER has very similar desing code. But Certina looks better!
I've heard you criticize Certina in the past as a 'mall watch' but you could say the same of Tissot, Seiko, or Longiness if you go to the right mall!! Glad to see you give this watch a nod of appreciation 🤓
Certina is missing a trick by not making a 39 or 40mm PH200, such an insanely cool watch just had to shift it on as it’s way too big
They've actually just released a smaller PH200M... with 'diamond' indicies. Fair to say it's not aimed at you and me.
I'm lucky in that the original size fits me well.
The case is 41, it's the bezel that accounts for the remaining 1.8mm and though lthe lug to lug is long, the springbar placement is excellent making it wear different to the on paper specs.
All that said, you still need a < 7" wrist to wear one.
@@anthonysmith2982 yeah that’s a waste of time for men lol. It was just on the edge for my 6.5 inch wrist, but never looked right on natos and that’s important for me
Cool to review Certina. You do not see them in US or Canada. I recently got an easy-read sporty Rose Gold DS-1 (note, some Certina designs often have hands that do not stand out from the dial when reading time). Yes, I know Rose Gold PVD is not the greatest over time. However, enjoying it as it's a break from all my stainless steel watches. As usual, Tim has picked out an awesome model and design.
Nice case design however agree needs a splash of colour on the dial or hands.
Indeed, a bit muted. A red tip in the seconds hand would be a simple but effective move to add more color and joy to the dial, like in the original one.
Really like the overall look, but yet another lower tier swatch group product with the low beat powermatic movements means it’s a hard pass from me :-(
If it was smaller (around 38mm) and had the turtle engraving case back, I'd buy one. But, as the modern world of watches goes, it's too big and has an exhibition case back that exposes a movement that does not need to be seen.
Hi Tim, when I saw the silver model at 3:24 I thought "this watch is for wearing on a rainy day". And then at 3:52 you included the sound of rain in your video. A significant coincidence, Carl Jung would have said.
By the way, rain should not be considered bad weather anymore. Here in Chile we are suffering from drought for 10 years now and for us "bad weather" is precisely that it no longer rains. Climate change, I guess. Best regards!
Looks really good to me in blue. I am really impressed with my recent Certina purchase so come sale time I will certainly be looking out for one of these at a better price.
Tim, thanks for all your great videos, they're great to listen and watch to. But ... no thanks for this video ... now I am obsessed by this watch 🤣, it's gonna cost me a lot money 😉.
Pleading guilty here ... ;-)
I’m fascinated by the high-accuracy quartz Precidrive Certina watches but the cheaper ones are dainty little women’s watches that would look comical on my wrist. The claims of accuracy due to putting the crystal and other parts in a near-vacuum and doing temperature compensation, despite an ordinary oscillation frequency of 32768 Hz, are things I’d like to test for myself.
I'm not a fan of tonneau cases, but it is difficult to judge from a rendering. Waiting for the first reviews with some live action shots.
BTW, I would be glad to trade a week of your pouring rain for a week of our sunshine - we are having a bit of a drought here...
A nice piece with a modernized (G.Genta) style C-shaped case (like my old 1969 Omega Constellation) You mentioned a screw down crown, however the pic does not show a real screw down crown.It features a very nice piece of box shaped double domed sapphire crystal to mimic the old plastic crystal perfectly without all those disadvantages. If the ticker came with a real s.d.crown it would sure get a place on my list. 👍👍👍
@@IDKline Hi I.D. Kline, I cannot find this, can you please send a link ? The pic of the DS system does definitely not show a screw down crown system though.
I like Certina,I am at this moment in life in a casual fase and Certina watches are more dress design.great video as always Tim
Thank you!
Hey Tim- Double, not Doubel. One thing I learned in German class at college is that there is no such thing as a Spelling Bee in Germany. No need. But bees are common in English classes. No spell check when I went to scool in the Stone Age. We had to learn how to spell with a piece of paper and a piece of pencil.
No complaints, just fyi. Danke.
Thank you, fixed.
Nice watch, but mesh bracelet is a lazy choice, as opposed to a bracelet with fitted end links. Why not offer both? It also looks like it would have terrible lume. However, in terms of style, I would take this over a Yema Wristmaster.
Certina is an interesting brand, but Swatch limits their availability around the world. I have been interested in their PH200 diver, but I think that watch is slightly too big.
I think Certina is rated just right.
My father's Certina Argonaut is what got me into watches... and I even bought a Certina Club 2000 as NOS. Probably best spent 200€. If you ever want to make a video about it, do let me know ;)
Two of my favourite vintage Certinas. The Argonaut in particular is a great piece.
I am a new fan of Certina as I have the split second chronograph and I am looking to get one of there automatics a better choice of powermatic 80 than the Tissot I think. On the High street in Edinburgh Certina is displayed alongside IWC, just a pity their chronometers are all quartz.
would like to see one like the original one's:
Blue gradiant dial with a red second-hand..
The case size suits me but my little 36 mm Hamilton is the more interesting watch from what I see here. Even though that Hamilton is a bit small for me I couldn’t imagine changing a single thing on it aesthetically.Regardless, these are cool watch is too good video.
Does this version have the shock absoring ring and replaceable crown tube please?
Looks great...all models!
Hi CBTim.
A good summation of Certina.
If the brand was an album it’d be 80% filler / 20% killer.
Their Heritage line is where they shine, particularly the re-issues like the DS PH200m, DS Chronograph Automatic and this DS-2 (it's on the Certina site now, at least in my part of the world) otherwise you do have to cherry-pick. The DS Powermatic 80 is a good example of a great new addition. Also, they often tend to cater to larger wrists, though the 38mm DS Acton diver is beginning to get a following.
Anyway, really excited about this release and will most likely sell a 3 hander to make room for it in a few months. You can always find good discounts on the brand if you are patient.
🙏
It's a great looking watch and you are right about the 80/20 thing; Certina are a bit like Bulova in that respect - only the heritage/reissues are worth looking at.
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So true. Bulova is a perfect comparison.
Nice but too big.
I agree. I have a large wrist and can definitely wear the 40mm, but this case shape? 38-39mm max.
You can pick up a vintage DS-2 pretty easily and for a good price. The originals are 38mm (from memory) and Certina's pre-Swatch Grp. in-house mov'ts are *very* well made.Hi CBTim.
A good summation of Certina.
If the brand was an album it’d be 80% filler / 20% killer.
There Heritage line is where they shine, re-issues primarily like the DS PH200m, DS Chronograph Automatic
It looks fantastic 😊, but i have read that it is 40x38? You said 40x48? Can you affirm your measurmets info, please 🙏.. i thought 38 L2L is to small 😳..
Oops, did I mess it up? Correct size is 37 mm case diameter and 47 mm length including the lugs.
Hi. What is the lug to lug. Some reviews say 46mm some even say 42mm.
isn't this the movement with plastic parts in it ?
Nice case but needs a pop, kinda plain.
Very attractive. Like it.
It's available now Mac 11 , and I don't think the lug2lug is 48mm
Its side view resembles a Rado case.
Have you seen the new Maen Manhatten 37? I noticed it on their website this weekend. Available for pre-order on April 5! Looks like another solid watch.
Its kind of funny that it costs 860€ for people from Europe and 787$ so basically 688€ for others😏
Yes, unfortunately these price statements are complicated when you want to do it the right way. In Europe it is even law that you must state the price incl. VAT.
Does that $787 include US Sales Tax?
@@maninthestreet01 You dont pay anything up to 800$
No, it's without.
@@IDKline US dont pay import duties up to 800$
I just learnt that Vostock and Blancpain shared the Ring Lock caseback design and now Certina have a wobbly non shock crown stem......Hmm, either Blancpain had an agent in post revolutionary Russia, or Vostocks story of having to design elegant engineering solutions to their problems of production and indeed existing patents is a load of toss and they copied madly, perhaps from neglected patents, ( you have to maintain patents), disguarded Swiss tech? Am gonna have to compare production dates but sure as shizer Vostock wasn't producing divers in 1953. When was Certinas wobbly crown produced?
Not cussing Vostock, I've bought three😂
Pretty watch but the crown design is giving me toothache for some reason?
Well, ehm it is supposed to be c07.111(standart grade) and not c07.611(elaboré). C07.611 version of eta has 25 jewels and this one has 23 jewels.
The trouble with Certina is that it's competing with Tissot and Hamilton, which are more well known and have a higher profile globally, so it will always get squeezed between then two. Mido has the same problem but has managed to carve out a market in Latin American and Asia, whereas Certina is not well known outside Europe.
That might be the case for Hamilton in States but its deffinitely Certina winning in Europe or enywhere else outside north America.
@@stanostano7674 I live in the UK and here the three best selling Swatch brands are: Tissot, Hamilton and Longines. Rado comes after these and Omega is also popular as a prestige brand. Certina is not sold in the biggest jewellers and Mido is completely absent from the UK market.
It's insane that the lowest grade of Powermatic80 this watch is equiped with, costs 900 euros. It's the 23 jewels version with plastic escapement.
Wrong. It has 25 jewels model .611 which has NO plastic inside. Do some research 1st…
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@@CasebackWatches Yes, and some of us are GMT -7.
Does anyone know if a double security system watch could withstand the shock of being worn while drumming vigorously on a drum set? Thank you
I avoid all Swatch group brands. They all seem without soul to me.
@@IDKline alright alright. Flick Flak has a time and a place. I concede that .