THE ORIGINAL GUENTHER STEINER! The Downfall of the Minardi Team (2000-2005)
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- čas přidán 29. 02. 2024
- Minardi was a team everyone had a soft spot for. They never won, they very rarely scored points, they were often last, but they were giving it a red hot go that captured the hearts of many that watched F1.
But in 2000, the team was sold in a bid to keep it alive, and it was purchased by the very vocal Australian Paul Stoddart, who seemed to constantly be battling with the FIA because he felt that they were out to end the team just because they weren't as rich as everyone else.
So what happened? Let's find out...
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Minardi was pretty much everyone's second team. If ever they got a point (whether as "pure" Minardi or under Stoddard), everyone (edit: not just Minardi; fans too!) celebrated like they won. _Real_ racers ☺️
100% agree!
They were my second team until Katayama joined in 97 which made them my first team and they stayed so until the last day.
I had an experience to hear Croatian commentator yelling like crazy when Baumgartner won P8 in US GP 2004 for them
We need more Paul Stoddarts in F1
We had one but Haas sacked him.
@@AidanMillward and the sport is poorer for it
Gene Haas will forever be a focking wanker
And Minardi's
@@AidanMillward and the sport is poorer for it
At least Paul Stoddard was good for a laugh. His Indianapolis 2005 rant is hysterical to listen to.
It’s a facking faaaaaahhhce.
@@AidanMillward 'Can I swear on your channel? Are you sure?'
"Well the faaaahhce is goin' on and I'm going to have a cigarette behind the garage."
Minardi F1 Team livery > 2024 Alpine F1 Team,@@AidanMillward
The fact that he asked if it was all right to swear on their channel tells you he doesn't know very much about the Dutch.
Minardi's a better name than Visa Cash App Racing Bulls (or, to quote Ed Straw, 'Scuderia Afterthought'). Petition to rename them to be called Minardi from now on.
I agree lmao!
'Scuderia Afterthought' LOL
Fun fact: Alonso spent night and day in the shop helping them build the car to get it done on time to make the grid. Fernando is handy with a wrench. It’s unkind to say “they acted like they just won the championship.” I’d say, for what they were working with, that feat was more impressive than most of the teams winning a race.
Agreed. And let’s not forget the other teams brought the Minardi team cases of champagne to celebrate.
Aiden " i can' t breathe well today ...i'll make a 20 minute video then "
legend !
Paul Stoddart would have been a hit on drive to survive! I loved his interviews and non nonsense approach! ps I don’t watch drive to survive but I think it does help with sponsorship for smaller teams.
Stoddart was a scrap metal dealer who absolutely lucked out when he bought a handful of containers from the air force and a while later they realised the contents were very valuable and basically they needed them back.......that got him started in aero parts and on it rolled from there....From Reliant van to Minardi......
Give us some more details, pls
I fucking miss Minardi. One thing with Young is that his car never had power steering that year, only Webber. So he really did struggle with that car. And the shenanigans the Aussie Marshall’s were up to that race is worth a video on its own!
But hey...they won two races...as Toro Rosso and Alpha Tauri.....the Minardi dna is still there....the hq is still in the same location...
@@johnpatricklim4509 I think it's true regarding the two wins, the DNA of the team won those GPs. But now, the team is just a shell with just the marketing in Italy.
@@johnpatricklim4509 running Redbull cars then they changed rules...
Webber did not score at Magny Cours, he finished 8th. 2002 was the last year with the 10-6-4-3-2-1 points system. In 2003 points went down to 8th. As always another great and informative video.
I was just about to write the same line :)
I remember reading that in the early days, under Minardi himself, many in the circus would enjoy lunch at Minardi's, where all were welcomed with the best pasta in the paddock.
Those early Minardi cars were stunning.
Was at the Melb GP when Webber scored that 5th place. You'd think he won the race with the noise of the crowd that day. The entire pit straight grand stand was shaking. It was incredible.
Loved Minardi through out their entire run. The were always the beloved underdog team. And if remember correctly, they had the best espresso in the paddock according to F1 articles in the 90's and 00's
Minardi 1985-2005 RIP. I wasn't even an F1 during there tenure in this sport. But I love them. Perennial underdog.
Every real F1 fan must have been a Minardi fan; even if they supported someone else outwardly. Everyone was a Minardi fan
It's a shame that the smaller privateer teams have gone by the wayside, but even a team with GM backing (Andretti) can't get in, which is ridiculous. It's time things were brought back to reality, so we get more teams competiting
You should do a video on Pierluigi Martini. If you look at him compared to his teammates he is grossly underrated.
Greatly underrated. He should've been Prost's teammate -89 and -90.
Great story! I had the pleasure of working with Paul at HVM in 2007 and it was one of my all time favorite years in my racing career. A straight shooter and a real fun guy to be around!
HVM has had a very storied, very long and wild career. Someone should do a documentary on it since they've been at the highest highs and the lowest of lows of Indy/CART/CCWS/reunified Indy and managed to survive all those despite some dark, dark days
The Beyond the Grid episode with Paul Stoddart is a great listen, lots of extra details, stories and swearing!
Always considered myself a 2000’s F1 anorak but had no idea about Wilux defaulting because of that livery
Jeez, that is low!
Thank you. I got a little too happy when I saw one of your videos with the word "Minardi" in it. Was a big fan from the US of the plucky little team.
Started watching 1993. Minardi was somehow competitive then. Memories.
Great video. It was a sad day when the Minardi name disapeared from F1 and it would be lovely to have at least one more privateer team but the reality is it eatheier needs somebody like Jeff Bazos to turn up or for F1 to get much less expensive and i don't see wither of those things happening any time soon
Even if it appears like they are starting to slowly phase it out with the new VCARB era, credit to a big company like Red Bull for still keeping the little team based in Faenza for almost 20 years now. It would have been too easy for them to co-locate their two teams into one precinct.
I went to a few GP's between 2003 and 2007 and it was always heartening to see how much Minardi merchandise was visible in the crowds, the stalls were always selling it well too. They really were a Team for Everyone. Sadly missed but there just isn't a place for a team like theirs in the modern F1.
I met Paul Stoddart a few years ago at Silverstone, back when he was running the two seaters with some converted early 2000s Minardi cars. Genuinely lovely guy and the type of character I think a lot more teams could do with.
Who remembers that fateful day in 2003, where Jos Verstappen drove that underdog of a car to P1 in Q1 a drying track at Magnycours, while all the big guns struggled in the wet? They celebrated it like it was a win. It was awesome.
(One day later he was nearly a second faster than his teammate, through track evolution, and they were still at the back of the grid lol. Still was awesome)
What I do remember is the Williams team waiting for Verstappen to cross the line in 2nd qualifying before celebrating getting the front row lock out.
I miss Team Principles who smoked during interviews
Very well done video! Great information as always!!
Great Job on this one, mate. Lots of details included.
you keep making me happy with your funny and informative posts. Keep up the good work!
Great video Aidan, really informative, love dropping into you’re vlogs, always learn something new about F1, Thankyou 👍👌🇮🇲
Informative and Humourous - Great Stuff, Mr.Millward.
I see that Tim Horton's mug :) Great video too, keep it up and congrats on the E-sports news!
Great channel pal! Keep the content coming. Love the dry humour too hahah
Love your channel it’s very informative
Soo much respect for my fellow Aussie!
Stoddard tried to run Arrows in development cars, after buying up some of the ARROWS liquidation chassis, and initially they got the yes from the FIA.
But the bigger teams spat their dummies out and undertable handshakes between themselves.
One of your best videos yet
I really miss the privateers. Jordan, Tyrrell, Minardi, and many other from the kind. It is terrible that nowadays event the GM backing and Andretti experience combined is not enough even just to get into the entry list...
F1 has become a hermetically sealed circle jerk
15:45 that’s quite a quote. We need more public figures to say things in this manner, a bit of honesty would be nice 😂
Yeah Minardi always did good work on a very limited budget.
I think if they got the Mugens for 1995 things may have been different - I still don't understand the deal, but Aguri Suzuki has said himself that Briatore lied to him/Mugen about the second Ligier seat. He thought he had it for the full season, not knowing Brundle had already been signed. Briatore didn't tell Brundle either.
And considering that Gitanes (and later Gauloises) were still sponsoring the team Briatore couldn't ditch Panis either, because a French driver needs to be in a French team (even though it was now co-owned by an Italian in Briatore and a Scot in Tom Walkinshaw). And I'd argue that Walkinshaw vouched for Brundle to be in the team given their history together in both F1 and sportscars (Brundle did race for TWR Jaguar) and I assume Briatore didn't tell his business partner either, which may've forced Walkinshaw to pivot towards the Arrows team for 1996.
@@ivaneurope Panis deserved to be there on Merit - particularly pre-injury he was exceptional.
Really appreciate telling the Minardi story in such detail!
Probably most loved underdog team
One of the funniest things to me about Minardi in 2003 is that allegedly they were using Bridgestones from like 2000 - 2002 in warm up & practice and apparently those Cosworth v10s were from like 2000 or 2001
Vintage.
Great video, great little team. Thanks.
These episodes with a cup of tea are my absolute favorite to watch/listen to!
I prefer milk and black coffee. :-D
Minardi were the ultimate underdog team, F1 defnitely misses them
Thanks for the great video, Daddy. Thanks for not showing Flavio in a Speedo.
Minardi liveries always hit the spot
Another great job aiden ✌️👍🇬🇧
I always saw Minardi as the Chicago Cubs of F1 - the loveable losers that you just cheered for because they were Minardi. Given the lack of resources they had compared to the other teams, they gave it their all at every event, which I greatly respect.
Could u say Stoddart was almost like the 2000s Guenther Steiner? So committed to their drivers & team even tho they were shit
Yeah pretty much.
He was better, going through fire for his team. Maybe it backfired a bit, but he always said what things were really about
Really enjoyed this one mate. Maybe it’s the Aussie in me, but I always had a soft spot for Minardi.
Everyone loved Minardi (apart from other team managers and the FIA). Stoddart was a straight talking breath of fresh air who ran the comparatively impoverished team with outstanding sporting prowess and business acumen, giving all those great drivers their first break into the big league. I was really sorry when he sold up, leading to the grid turning into the parade of corporate logos it has become today.
Everyone forgets, but in the early 1990s Minardi had some really competitive phases where they were nearly on pole in a few races. I think I remember them being really good at Estoril one year.
I can remember Gustav Brunner was a wizard, he gave Minardi the first titanium cast gearboxes in f1, the weight savings were noticeable and paired with the shortest wheelbase on the grid the car was really nimble on mechanical grip circuits!
I remember you mentioning ages ago that you'd do a GP4 livestream series of F1 1994 but with Senna there beyond Imola. You still planning on doing those livestreams, or...?
funny thing... around the same time the privateers were on a decline in F1, there began a decline in rally teams in WRC too... Seat left first, then later on Mitsubishi, then Pugeot and Skoda, Suzuki came briefly then left, Subaru left....it was like the great depression 🤷🏾♂️
Get well soon! and Thank you!
This is a nice story, thanks for telling it.
Minardi had Ferrari engines in the early 1990's.
Martini qualified third at the Adelaide GP in 1991 I think.
Alessandro Nannini also drove for Minardi too.
Minardi had the Ferrari engines for 1 year: 1991. Unfortunately except two 4th places nothing good came from it because they lost one of their sponsors to Ferrari. And Martini put his car on P2 at the US GP in 1990 which was wild back then. The entire grid at that race was wild with several backmarkers in the Top 10 and Moreno in the EuroBrun outqualifying a Ferrari
Inhaler at the ready. I thought it was going to be a rant video. lol
hope you are well
It’s cos the weather can’t make its mind up atm it’s pissing me off.
Great video. Do Skyker F1 please. :)
I'm pretty much alone in this but i always thought that the Katayama driven 1997 Minardi was a tidy looking car. I remember genuinely thinking they'd move up the grid that year.
I *heavily* recommend looking into the interviews on F1's beyond the grid podcast with Paul and others about Minardi. Hearing the grid reacting to their success, and their later reactions to the success of their team post-buyout is heartwarming, and I remember it being interesting, heartwarming, and hilarious at times.
The episode is on plenty of apps, and on CZcams - "Paul Stoddart: Finding Faith In Fernando Alonso And Minardi’s Miracle | F1 Beyond The Grid Podcast"
I believe he goes through a lot of stories about the acquisition of the team and their ups and downs, Alonso, etc. - If I recall right, the story of their points that made the entire team celebrate like the world was ending.
I still remember the ranting outburst from Stoddart in 2005. First keeping it restrained, but when reporter Jack Plooij noticed held back anger, commentator Olav Mol reminded Paul that he could swear on Dutch television, and then he went absolutely berserk. In hindsight, I guess years of frustration about the politics in F1 came out in three minutes of ranting. And even then, he reminded us that he found the backmarker racing fun.
Giancarlo Minardi was the body of the team, but in the final years of the team, Stoddart was the soul. Absolute madman.
Interview is here czcams.com/video/bY7IdWpqYXI/video.html
It was Portugal 1989 when Martini led a lap in a Minardi
I always loved Minardi.
“Let’s try hard to win.”
Hello Aiden great video on Minardi ... strangely enough Alonso was discovered by Minardi ... he's been around so long sometimes people forget lol
Another interesting tid bit is while Mr Minardi owned the team despite his financial troubles his personal wealth kept growing yhear over year and still does .... The mandate was take my cut and go racing with what's left lol
Black/yellow/white livery looks sooo good...
Great video, but... Webber did not score points in Mangy Cour, he finished 8th, points were awarded to the top 6 in 2002. The points system changed the following year to the top 8 finishers.
Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.
fun fact Simtek and Lotus both had 6 drivers for 1994 so did larrousse, Prost had 5 in 2001. So is there a rule in F1 preventing more than 4 drivers in 1 year?
Minardi was one of these teams that were just there, a part of the furniture. At the time I didn't realise how much went on at the dusty end of the grid.
Brundle's sympathy for the tears was legendary.
Ooooo look, Bobby Moriano was there. Perfect.
I’m a late comer to F1 but this was Manor for me. I wanted them to do well every race no matter who else I was rooting for.
Love the Tim Hortons mug. Lol.cheers from Canada
In your list of other notable Minardi drivers I'm surprised you don't list Alessandro Nannini who had previously served Minardi's F2 team while also driving for the factory Lancia team in the World Sportscar Championship, setting the fastest lap at Le Mans in 1984 in the Lancia LC2 and later that year winning the Kyalami 6 Hours in the LC2 alongside the late Bob Wollek. Nannini as an F1 rookie regularly outpaced his more experienced team mate Andrea de Cesaris in 1986 and had no trouble out-pacing Adrián Campos (another of the more money than talent brigade) in 1987 before going to Benetton in 1988.
Fun Fact: Alessandro Nannini was actually Minardi's first choice to be their Formula One driver in 1985. However, for 1985 FISA did not grant Nannini the Super Licence required to be able to race in F1. This meant Minardi had to go with their other F2 driver Pierluigi Martini who did have a Super Licence having substituted for the suspended Artyon Senna at Toleman in the 1984 Italian Grand Prix.
It wasn’t everyone who raced, merely a sample.
All these shenanigans and still Team Andretti is barred? Go figure ...
Different times, different commercial right holders. Under Bernie Andretti would probably be in.
I will always be thankful to Minardi, for giving the opportunity to our own Pedro Lamy. The first portuguese to score points in F1.
I miss those times.
Minardi was my #1 team - they did things on a shoestring budget no one else could. Other teams would visit their pits and steal the ideas they saw, while enjoying the best coffee at the track. I still have my Minardi Fondmetal t-shirt - a very valuable piece of history.
I think Minardi really could have done one more season with Red Bull sponsorship. But it's awesome that the team was kept in Faenza as every single employee would have been sent down stream. So huge W to Red Bull for doing that
I knew there was a reason I liked Aiden. Asthmatic’s must stick together. Plus the content is awesome.
Minardi is still one of my all-time favorite race teams.
Minardi was my favorite team. Want them back on the grid!
I once read from a F1 magazine that Minardi had the best pasta in F1 paddock.
love the bruins hat! (but not the way the team is playing tonight)
Still got my Forza Minardi t-shirt :)
Always loved Minardi!
Those were the days! Probably the best and the worst.
18:20 If you know which driver this is, you're an F1 & Motorsport superfan! 😎
Jos Verstappen was involved with a company called "Trust"? 😂 That sh!t is hilarious...
i know it’s kind of a stretch, but i suppose it could be argued that aston martin is a privateer team. after all, stroll did buy the team and drove as racing point and then bought AM to be the face of it
We didn’t deserve Paul Stoddard
You forgot Jirko Malcharek - who was officially signed as a Minardi test driver at one point in 2002 although it wasn't clear he actually had a superlicense and I don't think he ever drove the monopost. He was a notorious back-mid fielder in Porsche Supercup but, crucially, was also running for an MP seat in Slovakia's general election*. F1 was huge in Slovakia back then so Malcharek scoring that test seat was an OMG moment and help him win that seat. It was all publicity stunt. Minardi needed the money, Malcharek was running for a party of a Slovak TV magnate (think small-scale Berlusconi). Some dollars change hands... Fittingly, Malcharek served as ... Minister of Economy.
*it was his re-election campaign albeit for a different, but equally opportunistic ad-hoc political party.
Didn’t forget anyone
Also didn’t Alex Yoong not have power steering during all of 2002 while Mark Webber got power steering within a few races after 2002 started?
Wasn't Nannini at Minardi as well? I remember him spinning at Tosa in 1986 San Marino GP
Yeah he was. I only named a selection and not every driver.
What about Ted Toleman and his lack of tyres. I still believe Derek Warwick would have had an even more glorious and successful career had his team, Toleman, been given the tools to do a proper job in the highly competitive world of Formula one motor racing.
Paul Stoddart is basically the Guenther Steiner 1.0.
Nice Tim Horton's Cup! 😅 Can't keep my eyes off of it!