Low gains on Lego are - currently - still better than investing in gold, silver or most stocks or mutual funds. The problem is super-success with sets that double in value in 5-6 years has made that a normal expectation for all Lego investing. My dudes and dudettes, making 20% after 5 years is fine gains.
This is EXACTLY the video I, and many others, wanted to see. We think in terms of gains and loss, and if the loss is BREAKING EVEN, well that ain’t bad! A suggsestion for a future video would be a deeper dive on historical prices increases, to show the percentage of sets that dis meet your criteria over the years and others that didn’t (not necessarily in your portfolio, but a large data set), a bit like showing the returns on the S&P500 over the years for example (ie presenting it as a safe bet).
As a potential lego investor, it's like any stock. Buy low, sell high. Learn from this guy, for sure. 2023 black friday deals were awesome from lego. 3x points, ratuken was 13% cash back, I bought the 400 batcave, 80 lander, recieved 60 bucks from ratuken, sitting on 8600 lego points, (cash value 50 bucks?) ..BE Patent for the big sales.... Thanks dude.
Set 21045, Trafalgar Square, is offered in MISB on eBay Germany for around 69 euros. So, depending on the market, the demand is even lower, and depending on the marketplace, you can be glad to make just a small loss with this one. It is helfpul that Amazon customers are a bit oblivious of competitors and are willing to pay more than necessary. 😅
The majority of sets don't go up in value like the examples given by your typical youtuber. The amount of sets that 2x, 3x in value are a small subset, and it's only going to get smaller due to the overproduction of Lego and the vast amounts of new sets being released each year. On local market places, the value of sets are a fraction of what they are on Ebay or Amazon. When you invest in a stock, you buy it and you forget it. When you 'invest' in Lego. You have to go through a lot of hoops to buy it at a low price, then go through even more hoops to sell it and ship it. Dealing with returns, scams, fees, overhead. This is all work and not an 'investment'. If you take all the time you spend on Lego 'investments' and 'sales' on driving an Uber...you'd also make 'profit'. You don't hear people talking about 'investing' in driving for Uber.
Thanks for your comment. To be honest....sounds like your opinions here are not founded on actual experience with LEGO investing. The amount of sets that 2x and 3x in value far outweighs the number that don't, as evidenced by the thousands of people in my communities who are doing this successfully and building a business. All of the fees, overhead etc. you mention....well, of course. Nothing comes free. To build a business, you will incur some costs...that is always going to happen when you're making money. Driving for Uber also has costs. Going to your day job also has costs - it takes up 40 hours of your time per week, which is way more costly than the fees I pay to Amazon for my LEGO business. Sure, when you invest in a stock you can forget about it. But then you get 8% ROI after a year, compared to the 80% I'll be getting on my LEGO investments with just a few hours of work.
This does not work folks. Trust me. The Lego corporation knows that people are doing this. Always remember, a product is only worth as much as someone is willing to pay for it.
exactly, and people are willing to pay very high prices for retired LEGO sets. Check eBay recent sales for some retired sets to get a better understanding
@@BrickBucks props if you can make it work. Just seems like such a hassle to need to store those expensive sets for potentially many years. Additionally, it may give you anxiety when you go on a long trip and worry that your house will burn down or the storage facility where they are kept. They are cool sets, don’t get me wrong. my advice to you would be to buy the sets that you like the most, for you personally, and keep them for yourself and enjoy them through the years. Teach your kids how to build them and then give them to your kids someday. If you are trying to make a profit, it’s way easier to invest in the S&P 500 and just let it ride and compound over the next 30 years. Incrementally invest every month just 50% of the amount of money you were using to buy the Lego sets. Check the account in five years and you will see what I mean.
@@LVROULETTE yeah I have a sizeable stock portfolio and multiple units of real estate, so Im well versed in other investments, but none of them come close to my LEGO investments. It's not for everyone but those who are willing to put up with the downsides that you pointed out can enjoy the income that comes with it
Half a century old guy here... Invested in almost everything.... Inflation is insane the last half decade... Just wanna say this: If you bought a Lego set 5y ago and sold it now... Average, you are +20%... If you left the money on your Bankaccount in the same timeframe, with intrest included,... You would max have +1,5%... Don't want to sound like a prophet or anything... Nothing to gain for me only the opposite. You are complaining about only having +40% in 1,5y while on the stockmarket we have 8,4% on average in the same timeframe 😂, what are we talking about really?! 😂 Do your own research
I started back in 2011-2012. Hard with Lego investing now. Especially in Australia. 1. We now know when Lego sets are EOL. 2. Too many sellers in a saturated Lego investing market. 3. We just don’t get the 30%-40% sales other parts of the world get access to.
What do you think of investing in Bricklink Designer Program ‘sets’? They historically had great ROI, but this may chance since up to 30000 units can be produced. And, they can only be purchased at full price. I plan on investing in the train shed and general store.
It seems I dodged a bullet with Flintstone set...I was tempted by it but in the end didn't buy despite a hefty discount. But with Hogwarts Express...I got 3 of them 😢
You want to know my 3 biggest mistakes? Buying too many of 75342 (republic fihter tank). Too many of 41721 (bio farm friends) and new ship of the guardians, also too many. I think I will need years to sell them...
I seen a Lego set recently that came up as being available and close to retirement and the purchase price from Lego was $40 more now then release. Makes buying on sale less of a sale. The Batmobile tumbler specifically. Debuted at $229 and is now $269.
I thought the Harley was a home run Iconic 1 off set No re release Potential for adding new bikes in series Wrong on all counts Got it on discount and after fees and shipping barely broke even
Isn't it interesting that that it may just turn out that one would invest in Minecraft knowing that it's struggling, yet when this movie comes out that same wave of sets will only be available from investors? It's still bad investing if we have to hold for another year but then again will they take off after the movie or not? Hard to say. So right about Trafalgar Square as that has been my personal favorite in Architecture and it's going nowhere.
Another problem with duds which you did not cover is that not only do they not sell for a good price, but they have lower demand and sell SLOWLY, so even if you break even, it could take awhile, so you can't use that money to buy other more profitable sets.
That hasn't been my experience to be honest. All of the sets I talk about in this video are fast sellers. Some are even higher demanded sets than many of my best winners, but the supply is just too high (E.G Hogwarts Express). But it depends on the market and marketplace
Buy one good set sell said set make profit. Take original cash and put it back in your pocket. Now only use profit money to buy and run the hobby. Anything lost means nothing as I have a career that funded the start. Lego is a fun side hustle that funds itself 🧠 🖊️. To rely on this as a job no way . Many Fingers in many pies is better than two hands in a cake.
Time is your friend if you buy a set that dosent goes as planed. Better to buy a $100 Lego set and hold on to it for 10 years, rather then putting that $100-bill in the bank or the drawer where inflation eats it up.
Plus, Lego is opening another production center in Vietnam this year.😂 The supplies will be even greater than usual. Look how Amazon just unretired tons of popular sets starting this January, with heaps of stock at MSRP or lower.
What was your worst LEGO investment?
Treehouse, London Bus, Darth Vader Castle, at-ST raider
Ambush on Ferrix
London bus, Harley, even the James Bond car hasn't done as well as expected
First flying lesson
With ya on the HP train. I have too many! Anybody want one? LOL
It’s really true that getting stuff at 30%-40% makes it almost impossible to lose money on a retired set.
Almost, but not impossible. You will break even on most of the worst.
Low gains on Lego are - currently - still better than investing in gold, silver or most stocks or mutual funds.
The problem is super-success with sets that double in value in 5-6 years has made that a normal expectation for all Lego investing. My dudes and dudettes, making 20% after 5 years is fine gains.
@@user-el5yw1er2jI might be misunderstanding. 20% over 5 years would be 4% per year. That’s a pretty terrible return .
@@user-el5yw1er2j That's a terrible return. If a set doesn't triple in value in 5 years, you bought the wrong set.
@@oldman-zr2ru Give me five set #'s retired in 2018 that have tripled in value.
Thanks Shane! One of your best videos. Waited for such one as lessons learned are The foundation of every business. Greetings from Poland!
This is EXACTLY the video I, and many others, wanted to see. We think in terms of gains and loss, and if the loss is BREAKING EVEN, well that ain’t bad! A suggsestion for a future video would be a deeper dive on historical prices increases, to show the percentage of sets that dis meet your criteria over the years and others that didn’t (not necessarily in your portfolio, but a large data set), a bit like showing the returns on the S&P500 over the years for example (ie presenting it as a safe bet).
As a potential lego investor, it's like any stock. Buy low, sell high. Learn from this guy, for sure. 2023 black friday deals were awesome from lego. 3x points, ratuken was 13% cash back, I bought the 400 batcave, 80 lander, recieved 60 bucks from ratuken, sitting on 8600 lego points, (cash value 50 bucks?) ..BE Patent for the big sales.... Thanks dude.
You can't necessarily lose money on lego, but you can lose time, space, and opportunity.
Appreciate seeing these kind of videos, rather than just sharing the good results. Keep it up :)
Set 21045, Trafalgar Square, is offered in MISB on eBay Germany for around 69 euros. So, depending on the market, the demand is even lower, and depending on the marketplace, you can be glad to make just a small loss with this one.
It is helfpul that Amazon customers are a bit oblivious of competitors and are willing to pay more than necessary. 😅
The majority of sets don't go up in value like the examples given by your typical youtuber. The amount of sets that 2x, 3x in value are a small subset, and it's only going to get smaller due to the overproduction of Lego and the vast amounts of new sets being released each year. On local market places, the value of sets are a fraction of what they are on Ebay or Amazon. When you invest in a stock, you buy it and you forget it.
When you 'invest' in Lego. You have to go through a lot of hoops to buy it at a low price, then go through even more hoops to sell it and ship it. Dealing with returns, scams, fees, overhead. This is all work and not an 'investment'. If you take all the time you spend on Lego 'investments' and 'sales' on driving an Uber...you'd also make 'profit'. You don't hear people talking about 'investing' in driving for Uber.
Thanks for your comment. To be honest....sounds like your opinions here are not founded on actual experience with LEGO investing. The amount of sets that 2x and 3x in value far outweighs the number that don't, as evidenced by the thousands of people in my communities who are doing this successfully and building a business. All of the fees, overhead etc. you mention....well, of course. Nothing comes free. To build a business, you will incur some costs...that is always going to happen when you're making money. Driving for Uber also has costs. Going to your day job also has costs - it takes up 40 hours of your time per week, which is way more costly than the fees I pay to Amazon for my LEGO business. Sure, when you invest in a stock you can forget about it. But then you get 8% ROI after a year, compared to the 80% I'll be getting on my LEGO investments with just a few hours of work.
This does not work folks. Trust me. The Lego corporation knows that people are doing this. Always remember, a product is only worth as much as someone is willing to pay for it.
exactly, and people are willing to pay very high prices for retired LEGO sets. Check eBay recent sales for some retired sets to get a better understanding
@@BrickBucks props if you can make it work. Just seems like such a hassle to need to store those expensive sets for potentially many years. Additionally, it may give you anxiety when you go on a long trip and worry that your house will burn down or the storage facility where they are kept. They are cool sets, don’t get me wrong. my advice to you would be to buy the sets that you like the most, for you personally, and keep them for yourself and enjoy them through the years. Teach your kids how to build them and then give them to your kids someday. If you are trying to make a profit, it’s way easier to invest in the S&P 500 and just let it ride and compound over the next 30 years. Incrementally invest every month just 50% of the amount of money you were using to buy the Lego sets. Check the account in five years and you will see what I mean.
@@LVROULETTE yeah I have a sizeable stock portfolio and multiple units of real estate, so Im well versed in other investments, but none of them come close to my LEGO investments. It's not for everyone but those who are willing to put up with the downsides that you pointed out can enjoy the income that comes with it
Fatboy at $100 is definitely a dud but for $50 on clearance at the HD website made it a winner.
yep, great deal. I still expected the set to be at more of a $220 price by now though
@@BrickBucks I guess biker dudes just don’t like Lego 😂
Half a century old guy here... Invested in almost everything....
Inflation is insane the last half decade...
Just wanna say this: If you bought a Lego set 5y ago and sold it now... Average, you are +20%... If you left the money on your Bankaccount in the same timeframe, with intrest included,... You would max have +1,5%... Don't want to sound like a prophet or anything... Nothing to gain for me only the opposite.
You are complaining about only having +40% in 1,5y while on the stockmarket we have 8,4% on average in the same timeframe 😂, what are we talking about really?! 😂
Do your own research
I started back in 2011-2012. Hard with Lego investing now. Especially in Australia. 1. We now know when Lego sets are EOL. 2. Too many sellers in a saturated Lego investing market. 3. We just don’t get the 30%-40% sales other parts of the world get access to.
Is the shipping aspect ever an issue with things like selling fees, finding buyers, potential shipping damage and returns?
What do you think of investing in Bricklink Designer Program ‘sets’? They historically had great ROI, but this may chance since up to 30000 units can be produced. And, they can only be purchased at full price. I plan on investing in the train shed and general store.
It seems I dodged a bullet with Flintstone set...I was tempted by it but in the end didn't buy despite a hefty discount.
But with Hogwarts Express...I got 3 of them 😢
You want to know my 3 biggest mistakes? Buying too many of 75342 (republic fihter tank). Too many of 41721 (bio farm friends) and new ship of the guardians, also too many. I think I will need years to sell them...
I seen a Lego set recently that came up as being available and close to retirement and the purchase price from Lego was $40 more now then release. Makes buying on sale less of a sale. The Batmobile tumbler specifically. Debuted at $229 and is now $269.
bro, its a lot of clutter for this investment, how do u deal with the boxes and boxes of clutter and dust???
What do you mean?
@@BrickBucks buying multiple sets and keep, and resell it later. it takes up a lot of space
@@Walevolence it's not that bad. Lego is expensive, so a small box of sets can sell for high prices. And it's worth it 🤟
I thought the Harley was a home run
Iconic
1 off set
No re release
Potential for adding new bikes in series
Wrong on all counts
Got it on discount and after fees and shipping barely broke even
Sitting on Trafalgars as well. Can’t believe how poorly that one has done.
Isn't it interesting that that it may just turn out that one would invest in Minecraft knowing that it's struggling, yet when this movie comes out that same wave of sets will only be available from investors? It's still bad investing if we have to hold for another year but then again will they take off after the movie or not? Hard to say. So right about Trafalgar Square as that has been my personal favorite in Architecture and it's going nowhere.
If you make no mistakes it means you do nothing 😂
Trafalgar square .. you are alienating 65 million French from buying it from the start lol.
Have you ever had any issues selling on eBay with the claiming the minifigs were missing scam?
Another problem with duds which you did not cover is that not only do they not sell for a good price, but they have lower demand and sell SLOWLY, so even if you break even, it could take awhile, so you can't use that money to buy other more profitable sets.
That hasn't been my experience to be honest. All of the sets I talk about in this video are fast sellers. Some are even higher demanded sets than many of my best winners, but the supply is just too high (E.G Hogwarts Express). But it depends on the market and marketplace
I love your videos and they helped me get into Lego investing❤
I was surprised about the flint stones. I have an open one maybe if they come out with the Jetsons set someday could increase the price?
I saw that Harley bike down into the $40-$50 range.
I am a small time Lego Investor who does it for fun but stopped doing it when what profit I make or don't make was not worth my time....
Thanks for the video!
Do you invest at a personal level or have you set up a company to do this?
I have a business that I use for everything, but it's not mandatory - it can be done individually without a business entity too
On my local market place, Flintstones set for example is going for $70 asking for new (not selling) and $40 used. Yet supposedly the value is $110.
then don't sell on your local marketplace. Go where the price is highest, i.e. Amazon.
All sets I bought 😂
Is selling on FB marketplace do able?
If you are not losing money on a few sets, you are being too conservative. If you do lose, you won't lose much.
Hi. When you think something will be good an investment after retirement - how much of each set do you try and aim to buy? Thanks 😊
Have a video coming very soon that talks about this... Watch this space
Buy one good set sell said set make profit.
Take original cash and put it back in your pocket.
Now only use profit money to buy and run the hobby.
Anything lost means nothing as I have a career that funded the start. Lego is a fun side hustle that funds itself 🧠 🖊️. To rely on this as a job no way . Many Fingers in many pies is better than two hands in a cake.
Time is your friend if you buy a set that dosent goes as planed. Better to buy a $100 Lego set and hold on to it for 10 years, rather then putting that $100-bill in the bank or the drawer where inflation eats it up.
Assuming you have the space to keep sets for ten years
Hey atleast it's not metazoo
There is a new movie Flisntone in production
fuuun video thanks for the analysis
Fnially got rid of all my flying lession even at $18 costs..demand is horrible and Amazon keep hiding the listing
they're selling for $50 on eBay
There will be more and more "duds" in the future as the economy slows down and more and more "Lego investors" getting into the game.😂
Plus, Lego is opening another production center in Vietnam this year.😂 The supplies will be even greater than usual.
Look how Amazon just unretired tons of popular sets starting this January, with heaps of stock at MSRP or lower.
Can you show us your inventory please?
no sorry, that's not something I'll be doing on CZcams