RIG RUNDOWN - Our Live Rack (Building an In Ear Monitoring System)
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Actually to be honest with you the XR18 has gotten me through an 8 piece wedding band for monitors and front of house. I wouldn’t necessarily “suggest” it for a front of house console but it’s gotten me through all of my freelance gigs for years. Definitely a winner for an IEM rig.
For sure! It’s completely capable of running FOH, just not optimized for it so to speak.
I understand the X32 is a popular choice for an IEM rig. Just my opinion (with no experience running an X32), the XR18 is the perfect mixer for an IEM rig. I haven’t found anything on it that it doesn’t do for our use.
Thanks for watching!
Having ran in ear monitoring for other bands, headphone jacks on transmitters is actually pretty convenient.
If you’re controlling the software for the whole bands monitoring, you can plug your own in ear monitors to that headphone Jack, therefore letting you hear exactly what the rest of the band is hearing, or at the very least who ever owns the transmitter. It’s usefully, in case anybody is wondering why a headphone Jack is built in to the transmitters, that’s why, it’s extremely useful
Nice rig boys 🤘
Interesting, that is news to me! Thanks for watching and thanks for info 🤘🏻
Great setup! The only thing I would say is that if you are going to be doing a setup where you need to send some channels to FOH and a few of them to both monitors and FOH, get a higher channel count splitter. Just plug the channels you need into your monitor board.
That way you plug everything into the splitter and hand the FOH guy the FOH whip with everything.
Immaculate rig gentlemen 👏
Cool rundown guys, thank you. Building one now. Appreciate the detail. Band sounds great.
What are you using to split the MIDI from the 18i20 to the HX Stomps?
@@prettywiththelightsout There is no split in the MIDI. They’re in parallel.
18i20 MIDI OUT>Helix 1 MIDI IN>Helix 1 MIDI OUT>Helix 2 MIDI IN
Feel free to message me on Instagram and I’d be glad to help out! @caravelofficial
@@deepintheheartband Thank you! Interesting! So even though you said the one guitar doesn't really change snapshots, does your "setlist" snapshot have to match so when you change to the lead tone his changes to just another copy of the rhythm tone? this is the last part i can't wrap my head around haha. We all have the Helix floor in our case but I'm sure its the same concept.
Nope! MIDI has 16 channels available to run on. Helix #1 is on MIDI channel 10. Helix #2 (the one that changes snapshots) runs on MIDI channel 12. They are completely isolated from each other, and MIDI changes on one does not affect the other in any way shape or form. All of this is programmed in Logic
@@deepintheheartband got it! VERY COOL! Thanks so much for clarifying. that was exactly what i was missing to wrap my head around things! much appreciated! this video ruled. Come do a Punk Rock Night at Melody Inn in Indianapolis with us! ;)
Really nice and fun video - loved it - well done
CRAZY SET UP Y'ALL ! WE LOVE IT
Thanks for making this video guys. While I wish this video had more views since it's extremely helpful. It's also super niche and only applies to a handful of people such as myself in this very situation. Thanks again boys, killed it.
I plan to make a more in-depth video on how everything works together soon! Plus there has been a modification to it since the making of this video.
Thanks for watching! Glad I could help
@@deepintheheartband yeah we may copy you guys exactly except we'll go all cheap on those receivers like that 1 receiver your bassist got, such a great video, I'm bragging about it with the boys lol
Dude, message me on Instagram! I’d be glad to help you out with it and give some advice!
@caravelofficial
Nice setup! I just built a similar rig. Not fullt finished so this gave some good ideas how to finish up!
That’s awesome! If you have any questions feel free to message me on Instagram and I’ll be more than happy to help. I built this one and the 18u rack in my other band.
@caravelofficial
Love these type of videos. I bought my x-air in 2020. They’re more expensive now lol.
Right! I heard they used to be like $500. Now they’re over $700! Regardless, they are a great mixer, and in my opinion, the perfect mixer for using with in ear monitors.
Thanks for watching!
@@deepintheheartbandit is perfect! I didn’t intend it to be for an in ear rack. But then decided to use it. It’s been perfect!
@@deepintheheartbandalso, What kind of Velcro strap is that for the snake? I’ve been trying to figure out a place to put mine. And I love that idea.
@@JeremyLeech
These:
www.amazon.com/Extension-Storage-Extendable-Hanger-Organizer/dp/B08LZMSCVR/ref=mp_s_a_1_12?keywords=velcro+strap+wall+hanger&qid=1690652705&sr=8-12
Simply drilled a hole on the back lid and bolted the strap inside of it. It’s a 30ft snake and that strap holds it on the lid nice and neat and out of the way of the cabling in the rack.
@@deepintheheartband you’re the MVP!!! Totally going to do this.
Nice setup guys. I am sorry if I missed it but can you put the link of the Rack itself? I think you mentioned that you bought from Marketplace but please provide the model number info. Thanks.
The only marking on it is “DJK Cases”. I’ve tried looking them up and couldn’t find anything.
I’d recommend getting an Odyssey or Gator rack, or finding one on marketplace as well(: The brand doesn’t really matter to be honest, they’re all pretty solid.
Thanks for watching!
Awesome video! Would love to know more about programing the oatches to work with midi so it switches the helix automatically.
I do plan on making another video that is more depth on how everything works together. However, this is a great video that shows how to program the Helix with MIDI! Awesome channel too🤘🏻czcams.com/video/iKFBNyAg19Q/video.html
@@deepintheheartband Do you guys have a backup rig incase everything goes to pots?
@@ytscksdabig1 Stage wedges and guitar amps… lol.
We have a few failsafe plans if certain things were to go wrong during a set. I did build it to be as reliable and powerful as possible, but there is the chance something could fail when you least expect it!
Thanks for the video! This is super similar to my setup - but I’m wondering why the direct box after the Focusrite? Is it to match levels for FOH? I usually run my tracks directly from the interface and only have problems at the smallest venues.
Thanks for watching!
Two reasons for the DI box!
1- That way if the FOH engineer accidentally sends phantom power down those lines, it won’t damage the outputs on the Focusrite. The chances of that happening are slim, but it’s a safety net regardless.
2- I haven’t personally tested this theory, but I was told that running 1/4” lines for too far of a distance can cause interference issues. The direct box eliminates that risk. Regardless, sending balanced signals to FOH is always a good idea(:
Thanks again! Any more questions feel free to ask 🤘🏻
You don't need a transmitter for everyone in the band, everyone can connect their wireless receiver to the same transmitter. In my band we only use one, everyone gets the same mix on the left channel and cue track on the right channel, the receivers sum to mono so we can each adjust the level of the click vs the mix for ourselves
We all run stereo in ear mixes, which requires one transmitter/receiver for each member.
how do you adjust volume for each your band members on using one transmitter?
@@r_a_m_i_r_e_z Behringer XR18 mixer. Each member has their own channel to control their own mix.
@@deepintheheartband got it, and how to control if using just one transmitter? isn't that using one channel AUX from the mixer?
@@r_a_m_i_r_e_z that is correct! I’m not entirely sure how sqlb3rn is getting separate mixes for each member using only one transmitter, but if it works for them then that’s great!
I just know in our system, each member gets their own personalized stereo in ear monitor mix, which requires two aux outputs per member, and one transmitter/receiver per member.
Thanks for watching!
Quick question: If the XR18 has 2 outputs how are you sending signal to your iem transmitters? Sorry for the ignorance, just trying to wrap my head around the signal flow.
No worries!
The XR18 has 7 outputs (not 2).
6 aux outputs
1 Main L/R output
If needed, you could run up to 7 IEM’s total with the XR18
@@deepintheheartband Ah! Dope. Thanks, homie!
@@DesolationAudioHTX absolutely! If you need any help or have any questions feel free to message me on Instagram @caravelofficial
Nice! What’s your drum mix like when sending only the kick & trash mic?
It’s not the best of course, but it does work good enough! Our drummer is happy with it and that’s all that really matters haha. The kick sounds really good! The trash mic is kinda eh. Picks up the snare decently and the hats. Just a Beta 57A under his throne
Thanks for watching!
nice rundown. We run our macbook / ableton directly into our XR 18. What's the advantage of running the tracks into the focusrite?
We could use the XR18 as the interface and run our tracks off of it, but we already use up all 8 outputs on the XR18 (4 stereo IEM mixes)
Currently using a total of 5 outputs on the Focusrite👍🏻
Our tracks are inputs to the mixer. Not outputs. I miss be missing something
@@humbuckr5 We send stereo backing tracks to the front of house (which requires two outputs). There are no available outputs on the XR18 to do that with in our situation.
So instead, we use the 18i20 to that. Two outputs on the Focusrite go to FOH, two outputs go into the mixer for our ears, and one output goes to the mixer for the click track.
I must be missing something as well, who knows haha! It can get confusing!
How did you combine the senheiser and the galaxy in 1 HE?
What is HE?
@@deepintheheartband sorry, is it 1U in english? both units are on the same height.
If you are not needing Midi to change modellers, is the interface really needed? Because the XR18 can connect to the laptop via USB, so couldn't you just run tracks that way? It would take up a channel on the XR18, and then you could feed tracks out to FOH using the one of XR18 Aux?
We are running four stereo IEM mixes, which requires 8 outputs. The XR18 has 8 outputs (the Main L/R can be used as a stereo IEM mix). Therefore, we are using all available outputs for IEM’s alone.
If you were to just run mono IEM’s, then yes you could absolutely use the XR18 as your audio interface for backing tracks. You could also use it for MIDI changes because the XR18 does have MIDI ports
Hope this helps!
@@deepintheheartband awesome thanks! So it’s really because you already maxed out the XR18 and the sound card allows you to do both (tracks and midi) ok thanks!
Where you buy the latch? Lol
Directly from Gator
They are total garbage. Just took it out on the road a few weeks ago and both latches broke in transit. I just gave up on replacing them
10:12 wait! you use a basic hardwire Y connection there? no transformer split? I mean... Y split only works linear and properly on symmetrical line signals. Mic signals on the other hand go messy with a simple Y.
No sir. The Art S8 is a transformer isolated split. That is what I have in this rack.
In my other band, they went with the Seismic Audio rack mount split snake (pictured around your time stamp). That splitter is not transformer isolated, which is why I would highly suggest the Art S8 for anyone looking to build one of these. We have had no issues with the Seismic Audio splitter, but an isolated split is worth the extra money in opinion.
Thanks for watching!
Isolation is actually over-hyped in terms of pure necessity. I play everything from dive bars to massive festivals with a "y split" (passive splitter) and it works great for all mics (including with phantom) and line level signals. Never hurts to have transformer isolation but most big production houses will probably say it's only necessary when one of the systems being fed is on a completely different power system (think a mobile recording van parked outside the venue, etc)
@@brett-westgrove-country-music 100% correct! It’s not completely necessary in most applications. I just opted for the ART splitter in this rack because the build quality is just better overall than the Seismic split in my other band’s rack. Plus, I was able to use a better quality XLR snake with the ART
Thanks for watching!
@@deepintheheartband definitely a good move! I was actually just looking at some ART S8s on marketplace the other day. I will upgrade for sure, at some point!
Curious why you guys don’t use the XR18 as an interface?
We use all 8 outputs on the mixer for 4 stereo IEM mixes.
Using 9 outputs on the back of the Focusrite. I will make another a video soon that goes in depth on the routing and why the Focusrite is there
Why dont you use the built in interface in the XR18 instead of the focusrite?
We already use all of the outputs on the XR18 for monitors alone. Currently using 7 outputs on the Focusrite by itself.
If we only ran mono in ear mixes, we could most definitely get away with using the mixer as the audio interface as well!
Thanks for watching
@@deepintheheartband Ahh that will do it. Love the video man!!
@@walkerlasbury9315 thank you! I’m actually thinking of doing another video that’s a little more in depth on how everything is routed and what not. Keep an eye out!
How come you only have the kick in the splitter? Do you just need the kick in your IEM? No overheads?
Drummer only wanted/needed kick drum and a trash mic. Everything else is easy to hear through your IEM’s
@@deepintheheartband Thanks! And what is a thrash mic?
@@michibassdeva The trash mic is just a dynamic microphone the drummer puts under his throne to capture the kit as a whole. It does not go to front of house, just to our IEM’s. He uses a Shure Beta 57A for this
So you guys play every song the same every single time, and if anything ever it gets off its pray and hope for the best? get back on with the click?
Yup, play them the same every time. If we need to make any small adjustments, we do so beforehand by adjusting the tracks.
Never have had an issue with anybody getting off yet. We know our songs by heart and practice them, so as long as we’re on the click, we’re fine.
In my other band, we actually send the recorded studio track to our ears along with the click. So in the case someone does get off, they’ll know which part of the song to get back on at