Tim Bayne - What Is Consciousness?
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- Consciousness is what we can know best and explain least. It is the inner subjective experience of what it feels like to see red or smell garlic or hear Beethoven. Consciousness has intrigued and baffled philosophers. To begin, we must define and describe consciousness. What to include in a complete definition and description of consciousness?
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Tim Bayne is Professor of Philosophy at Monash University, Australia. He is author of The Unity of Consciousness (2010), Thought: A Very Short Introduction (2013), Philosophy of Religion: A Very Short Introduction (2018), and an editor of Delusion and Self-Deception (2008), The Oxford Companion to Consciousness (2009) and Cognitive Phenomenology (2011). He is a Senior Fellow in the CIFAR 'Brain, Mind and Consciousness' program.
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Bless his hubristic heart. His extensive studies have only left him more confounded.
I wouldn't be so sure. Many people (including those Robert interviewed) use different definitions. For example, some might say consciousness is the ability of an organism to recognize itself (consider a mirror test). Another might say, it is the condition of being able to perceive. Yet another might say, it is the ability to have a subjective experience. When studying consciousness, different definitions will lead to different experiments, observations, etc. So, I think Tim Bayne might very well be right.
Regarding "hubristic heart" - I don't think it is out of hubris that Tim is saying what he says. His view is modest - he is saying that we don't know what consciousness is, its properties, or even ready to define it. Contrast that with other philosophers, scientists, or meta-physicist that Robert Interviewed and think they know what consciousness is.
@@ReverendDr.Thomas What the hell does your moral philosophy have to do with this discussion about consciousness ? And why do you think anyone wants to know about what you think is ethical ?
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@@ReverendDr.Thomas Your first comment came across as trolling, so he was responding to that - it was somewhat justified. And now you are talking PMS ...
@@peterhaag9344 :P dont feed the troll! xdxd
.“I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don’t know the answer.”
That sucks
Consciousness lurking inside feelings, getting back to the center.
If space and time are relative to observer, observer must be absolute. Since observer is Conscious, Consciousness is absolute and beyond space time.
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So everything that existed before any form of life existed? All the planets and asteroids and stars that we know existed.. everything would have to be some form of conscious then right? Particals or whatever makes up literally everything on the smallest level has to be conscious to se extent.
@@nahCmeR, How can you say that there is an objective existence other than yourself?? So called objective existence is just like a dream made inside your mind. You can never be sure that other's or other things actually exist.
Everything is made of consciousness.
@@ShutUpWesley, Consciousness causes world. It's a fact.
@@achyuthcn2555 that sounds like the truth. so the only thing that exist is the consciousness and everything else appears in it?
Well, that couldn't have been more uninformative.
what do you expect lol it’s been millions of years with this question
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At the center of Consciousness is always the observer…the observer of the taste of …beer, the color red….even a thought becomes an object to be viewed by the observer…color, taste , sound, touch are All objects to be experienced by the observer…even the sense of self is an object to the observer…
I second the emotion.... Consciousness is a supernatural non-physical free OBSERVING SUBJECT that receives what the physical brain conveys, be it thoughts, ideas, memories, urges, etc. I believe it is our free immortal aware soul. The physical brain is responsible for processing thoughts, ideas, etc etc., that serves as the OBJECT to be observed by our invisible Subject.
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I’ve had experiences I can’t explain. I’ve photographed mirrors only to find images in the mirrors that I could not see at the time. Did recording the event to hard drive change what was there?
Would it help to break up consciousness into distinct parts, such as subjective awareness and physical perceptions?
I'm also on the side of thoughts being sensory forms of experience, and not their own special category of experience. Anything I can think about, whether numbers, past events, recalling something from memory--it's accompanied by vague visual images, verbalized sounds in my head, feelings, and so on. And I can't point to anything in particular that's 'abstract' or non-sensory when thinking about these things; I think they're just less intense and maybe less vivid kinds of sensory experiences.
It's not a difficult question, not difficult to answer as well. It's a simple question, and knowing what consciousness is is as simple as knowing what your life experience is made of.
It's definitely not awareness. Awareness is knowing that you are(knowing you exist) consciousness is knowing What you are, from experiencing self. What level? Not just the physical realm, we're part of the universe, energy fields. Energy that contains knowledge, memories. Our perception derives from the knowledge we have, of how we translated it into. Our brain helps shape that information.
I like this guy... He is saying this is the way it possibly is. Not like some other previous interviewees who say this is the way it is...backed up by little more than preconceived notions.
Consciousness is a sense.
Would consciousness be possible without the capability/location to store information, to do something with that information. If experience was just one big stream of events what then? Is Consciousness then information capture, processing capability, choice as an action based on that process, new information, another process, retrieve information from memory relevant to the last piece of info, add to it, make a different choice or the same choice. What regulates choice across individuals?
I think you've got it.
Without memory there can be no recognition.
Without recognition there can be no meaning.
Without meaning there can be no self concept.
Without a self there can be no being conscious, no conscious being.
Awareness and Attention working together for survival.
Within that framework are fundamental aspects that can combine differently for different people but also similarly for people as well.
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How might consciousness relate to information? to time? to universe? How could these relationships be tested?
Consciousness is what I experience till I've had one too many followed by a period of unconscious.
The conjecture that begins at 8:25 - There already exists at least one science that has defined the properties of consciousness. It is the semiotic theory of Charles Sanders Peirce. Peirce's categories relate to motivation, association (learning by association) and habituation. Peirce's theory is then taken to the next level, as a general theory for ALL creatures, in the biosemiotics of Jakob von Uexküll. His key insight is to factor in the role of a creature's body in establishing what kinds of motivations, associations and habituations matter.
I am unfamiliar with Peirce's theory.
Was 'analogy' central to it?
Does consciousness symbolize / express energy in words and language?
Seems like it has to do with how our brain processes changes in time . Sound , photons, pressure etc. we can predict the probabilities in the environment to help us survive.?.
~ by physicist Michio Kaku
Apr 6, 2021
That the universe is fine-tuned for life, with multiple physical laws required to be within small ranges, is generally accepted. But can we then make the additional argument that the universe is somehow required to contain consciousness? Such a conclusion may not follow. But the key question is this: is consciousness wholly contingent or somehow special? Maybe some superintelligent being created and designed our universe.
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“It is not that physical reality is false. It is that the physical picture is simply one of an infinite number of ways of perceiving the various guises through which consciousness expresses itself.” - discarnate entity, Seth
Consciousness...the recognition of one's self due to sensory experiences followed by memory convaied possible outcomes coupled with emotional and survival qualities in hopes of controlling ones immediate future. One could argue true consciousness starts only once we are born and want for things like comfort, food, and soothing from our mothers. Automatic brain function to find a better existence or moment then what we are experiencing.
Evolutionary trait we can only explain as all brain functions working together to make us aware of the material world and our ability to control and change it.
Someones been watching Kurzgesagt
This I like.
Leo Gura has the best explanation of what consciousness is.
I recall being conscious *of being conscious* when i was around 5 years old. Before that there was just sensate awareness, as it is for most animals. *Being conscious of being conscious* is not 'self' consciousness which happened later, around 7 years old when rummaging through the wardrobe for something to wear and it suddenly dawned on me that i was looking for a garment that would reflect 'me' to others which shocked me and i froze then felt sad that id lost something innocent.
Not long after i would contemplate what 'alive' was .e.g. I recall sitting at the table contemplating that the table was alive too in that it was 'in life' (existing) although i understood it wasnt consciously alive. I didnt really understand sensate experience but i knew table didnt have it yet was still living as in existing. I sensed that all actuality was in life and had a living energy.
I began practicing high precision dexterity drawing from 2ys on, so mental focus began very young. I think i recall travelling through the birth canal. In my earliest childhood dreams i was lying sideways slowly moving along in the dark, feeling a tight crushing pressure, then none, then tight pressure again, then none and on and on. This would become scary so i'd wake up bawling lol. I recall my cot years.
I wonder whether consciousness of varying degrees pervades all things but most of it is not conscious of being conscious and has no self. There may be realms of pure subjectivity where consciousness is always conscious of being some form of consciousness but not objectively.
you are conscious whilst unconscious...i rest my case.
@@Dion_Mustard youre kidding right? If not, then prove that 'you know' that 'I' am conscious when 'I' am unconscious lol.
...and whats with the "I rest my case" ? What case, you didnt start one, neither did I?
I simply shared my own experiences, care to share you own, instead of pontificating how you imagine it is for someone else ???
@@skybellau there are different levels of consciousness, or the other term is altered states of consciousness. it's not black and white. it goes much deeper. also look up non-local consciousness. it's also intriguing to remember people have awareness in deep coma states , plus the out of body state whereby people retain the "I" whilst clinically dead. some good books and studies out there. open your mind.
good luck.
@@Dion_Mustard would you care to address my reply which was....
1. prove that 'you know' that 'I' am conscious whilst unconscious. Please reply
2. Why did you say "I rest my case" when you didnt start one and neither did I?" Please reply
3. I wrote "I simply shared my own experiences. Would you care to share you own instead of pontificating as though your some omniscient being talking down to me about how *you imagine* it is for me." Please reply.
If you have a mental problem which makes you incapable of co-responding then i must with all due respects bow out as im not a qualified psychiatrist.
@@skybellau you sound like you have "issues"...so i'd suggest you resolve these "issues" i.e visit a psychiatrist before we continue our discussion.
Most things we attempt to define are either external of us or compartmentalized aspects of us.. using our “awareness” which though affected by physical elements of us but not purely localized in us to understand itself seems a difficult proposition as we can only use descriptors we are aware of, it’s entirely possible there’s more going on we simply cannot process.. for instance if a machine that understands height, weight and depth asks another machine that only understands height and depth a question about weight it would have no basis for a response.. perhaps we will never be able to get “outside ourselves” enough to understand what we lack in regard to understanding where this sensation of consciousness truly sits and why we appear to experience at all.. (we appear to be inanimate matter that has over time organized into self reflective autonomous beings.. something one wouldn’t expect of all this… material)
Perhaps the answer lies in the ability of matter to instantiate analogies
in a way analogous to the way that language does.
phenomenal implications how External environmental, nuerological and sense organs stimuli infer to our spiritual and mental natures and have itching for a comprehensive answer.
Consciousness surrounds "your" free will for the individual's equation. What mathematical equation was it again? That one that He already had to solve to define His c/d, not mine.
Consiousness is 'I' . Most non baffling existence!!
What's wrong with definition by example? We can understand what consciousness we mean by pointing to it.
what is the difference between consciousness and awareness?
they work together--also add knowledge which varies person to person
Consciousness is awareness with choice.
I as sit here staring at the blinking cursor. I realize that I too am a Conscious Being. I think that I am Human by me being able to type this reply. But the question remains is it me or my conscious innerself speaking through the web of synapses that allow me to remember all the words needed to explain what it is that cannot be explained other then pointing out the simplest of truths. We are all right and we are all wrong. Consciousness is and has been a perplexing riddle throughout the countless ages of not only Humanity but other Lifeforms that have been, still are and have faded from the fabric of time itself. I am without a doubt in my belief that we will come to a Secular understanding of this mysterious ever present "Force of Being" in the Evolutionary stages of Humanity. I know, I know Evolution was mentioned and I will be the first to apologize for using that term for those of you that are offended by my "Darwin'ing" slip. If the Human Species is to come to understand the wisdom and knowledge of the eternal construct that is the seat of the Human Being (Self) then it is my belief that they should accept the gift that has been bestowed upon us all. Whether we want it or not we can not give it back. But through physical action we can take it from someone. As they can take it from us or me (Self). Or the dissemination or dissolution of the construct will happen naturally (old age) it is then that we are truly confused and confounded by the innerself. As we ramble on from day to day not remembering anything or anyone but there are moments of lucidity where some, not all comes flooding back. Then we have recognition of people, places and things that we held dear to us in the course of our lives. The Remembrance of things past that led to the present and foretold our future selves of what was coming. A brilliance of light, love and hope for the next life. Or that profound terrible darkness that awaits me when I pass and step through the curtain of this life. Will I remember what I remembered before coming into this life before I was born. Probably not, but here's to hoping that I will. As my consciousness remembers only that cold darkness from the past life. This is what my soul ( Consciousness) tells me. I feel it. Every part of my Being tells me, no Screams at me when I look in the mirror of my life and see past the reflection into the other side. And I say "Hey I know you!" And consciousness puts on the customary uniform again and starts with a thought. A turn of the key. The first breath of life, the first heartbeat. But it doesn't understand the why's and what'fores of this life. It hurries us along on this path so that "It" can pick up and learn for the next. A "Blood Memory" from one life to the next like a birth mark. A Remembrance of something like a dream but only more real in a sense of (Self).
Wow that was a ramble sorry! Please understand that was all my consciousness and not me. I'm just here for the ride. Peace everyone stay safe out there.
Don’t be sorry. I didn’t read it. Too many words.
@@msimp0108 I know right. That's what I tried to tell as well. It just doesn't listen sometimes.
I like it, soul recycling it's memories into our individual illusionary conscious reality... Energy cannot be created or destroyed
Better to think about how it got started, why it was advantageous to life, how it has evolved.
How does consciousness weave its magical web of inner awareness-appreciating music, enjoying art, feeling love? Even when all mental functions may be explained, the great mystery-what it 'feels like' inside-will likely remain. This is the 'Hard Problem' of consciousness. What could even count as a theory of consciousness, even in principle?
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Your answer is circular, which allows it to completely evades the hard problem of consciousness. A simple restatement of your thesis could be, "Consciousness is basically a build-up of memory consciousness, sensory consciousness, and the conscious experience of feelings." Fine. I agree. But the same question remains: What is consciousness? How is it even possible in principle that a pink and grey chunk of fatty tissue, all material stuff, could cause a subjective experience, which is something far removed from matter as we understand it?
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let me put it this way. A machine (or "zombie" which philosophers prefer, i.e. a humanoid which in every way is like us but doesn't have a qualitative theatre inside his head) could do everything you just said. You're only talking about functions. But why should matter give rise to a sense of redness? A machine could sense red simply from light waves, yet it doesn't see anything. Other organisms sense through profoundly different ways such as sonar that we could never imagine. These go on inside the head, privately. Talking about brain states alone isn't enough. Physics can't even talk about qualia. Nevertheless I'm still a materialist, I'm just stating the problem.
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If you're interested in the "hard problem", check out David Chalmers. He's one of the most lucid and eminent thinker on the issue. Also check out "Mary's room" by Frank Jackson; there's a nice video on Ted-Ed animations about it. It's on this exact issue. I'm doing a PhD on the problem and I give various materialist responses personally, though in my honest opinion the problem could never actually be solved. Public observation, the method of science, is at odds with the ontology of phenomenology. I just try to make them logically consistent.
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Consciousness is baffling because we think that what we perceive is outside us. However, everything we perceive is an outside picture of an inward condition. Understanding this, you begin to realize the liberating power of forgiveness. If, for example, you perceive sin, then you have first made sin your inward reality. Fearing punishment for your sin, you project guilt outward onto everyone and everything (our anger at the injustices we perceive are an attempt to place guilt somewhere else, then to attack it to prove that it was indeed there). Yet if you were to forgive, you would be free of the terrible effects of guilt on you peace of mind. Anger and the wish to attack disappear. A profound peace returns to your awareness.
Are abstractions part of consciousness, especially if human person aware of abstraction?
If they were truly aware of it, then it wouldn't be an abstraction.
We can debate about consciousness and try to find out where it comes from, but without going to the beginning with informations and language we won't solve the phenomena. We're using the data that is recorded in our brains, somehow made understandable through a learned language which was adapted in exchange with others for communicating purposes.
Consciousness arises through the curiosity of an individual opening a channel from then on to an independent decoding system of data. All sensored informations are gathered in the brain from which consciousness selects, decodes, and participates to actions.
We all are just using informations that our brains have gathered in our lifetime. Every new information that an individual adapts, is through experiments, experiencing, visual caption, sound registering and so on.
We are not born conscious. We create consciousness through curiosity, in affection, and emotion.
Animals brain structures are different.
There is no matter as such. All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the "particle" of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force is the existence of a conscious and intelligent Mind. This Mind is the MATRIX of all matter." - Max Planck, Father of Quantum Physics
"I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness."
You can watch documentary films on Consciousness like :
1. I AM by famous Director , Tom Shadyac
2. Water has Memory . by French scientist Prof. Luc Montagnier 2013
Nobel prize discoverer of HIV.
3. Water - The most mysterious substance in the universe known to man.
4. Is the Universe Fined-Tuned for Consciousness?
~ by physicist Michio Kaku
Apr 6, 2021
Why can't consciousness simply be defined as awareness? Animals have evolved to be more aware, alert, attentive to their environment, to understand it, and see what is in it. This alone gives them a survival advantage. And it is just logical to assume that brains would evolve to imagine, so it's body could practice and learn in its mind without injury, or to imagine how to outsmart pray or enemies.
Thinking and consciousness are similar somehow I think in terms of logic
Unconsciousness is asking this question over and over again.....
I honestly have no problem with science investigating any aspect of nature. But I do believe there are some things that scientist will never have a satisfactory answer, this is one of them.
There might be an answer already. It's called Nondualism.
Let’s discuss the first line of the Tao Te Ching
What is consciousness? smart energy information. Stay on the bright side.
Consciousness is the supernatural power of our soul that we inherited from the AWARE HOLY SPIRIT who has no beginning and no end.
@@evaadam3635 Consciousness is the life in the universe, when you discover what we are, you discover we are not insignificant as we think. Stay on the bright side.
@@MrRamon2004 yes, defining yourself as insignificant is actually staying in the DARK SIDE..... Consciousness is supernatural, not part of this physical universe because it is the power of the Holy Spirit who has no beginning and no end. We are conscious because our free immortal souls are free split of the Holy Split, His own Image as many religions describe it, that is why we are significant. Yes, we are in the bright side.
comparing our physical body with the universe, we are insignificant, but about consciousness, we are too big. stay on the bright side.
💛I hope we are not just byproducts and accidents happened and happening in the cosmos
Why? What difference would it make to the experience of pleasure?
Did consciousness play a role in start of universe?
No, there was no-one around to observe it.
Consciousness is information,; experience.
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Expand the lifespan and you will expand the consciousness.
We currently do not live long enough to maintain a higher consciousness. Have you not noticed the paradigm shifts?
Consciousness or Awareness is the power of your free immortal aware soul that is responsible for receiving information/experience around it and within it.
Is there a consciousness awareness of time going back infinitely, and if so, why? Can consciousness act through time?
How does anything, even consciousness exist? ? ? ? It baffles me to think about.
well precisely. why is there anything at all. that's a question which science will try answer forever more, but will not get to the bottom of it. i guarantee you that. it's either everything is meaningless and random or everything is designed and significant.
@@Dion_Mustard "why is there anything at all" is the stupidest question because it's simply not possible for nothing to exist.
Thomas Campbell's Model of *virtual reality* has the Larger Consciousness System. His Theory of Everything is the most useful Model I have found.
Emotion represents consciousness from inside, thought represents consciousness from outside?
Does the human person have conscious information?
Consciousness or Spirit or Life is like water.
The cosmos is the source of life as the ocean is the source of water.
The water is one and at the same time, water can be many. The water in my home is different from the water in the ocean , even though it came from the ocean. And when I make a beverage in a cup, then that water becomes different with its own individuality. It becomes my tea, my coffee, my juice, etc.
The spirit is like Life in the cosmos, and/or the water in the ocean. When a spirit becomes alive in some life form, ie. plants or animals, then that life becomes unique with its own personality or individuality.
Consciousness is the symptom of life. In other words, where there's life there's consciousness. Being the symptom of life, consciousness is incompatible with matter, for while matter heads naturally towards death, consciousness heads naturally towards life.
LIFE IS " LIVING MATERIAL" DRIVEN BY CONSCIOUSNESS , ONLY THAT WE ARE UNABLE TO UNDERSTAND HOW THEY ARE LINKED: CONSCIOUSNESS SEEMS TO BE LIKE A CATALYST FOR THE REACTION THAT IS HAPPENING WHAT WE CALL "LIFE" !
@@roopspark9078 You'll never find the link between life and matter, because they are different, and even opposite, energies.
Matter does not head towards death, it just changes its form.
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Sorry, I can only say "you are totally wrong" .......
@@piotr.ziolo. When you'll be on the verge of death also your mind will change.
when you ask this question infinite amount of times...only then... will you get the answer you're seeking.
Consciousness is what matter feels like when it is incorporated in a living system.
What does that mean? Are individual cells conscious? What makes a group of living cells become conscious?
@@illitaret8780 Thanks for the probing questions. I have no secret knowledge about life or the universe, but I find it useful to start from basic principles and go as far as possible given current understanding. A single cell must have a certain level of awareness in order to be alive. It must know self from non-self, inside from outside itself, etc. Evolution seems to build on earlier structures and functions without removing the earlier version if it continues to work. The brain definitely seems to be layered in this way. If you start with basic awareness in a cell, you can build this up by adding sense organs, perception systems, conceptualization, recursive thinking, rational thought, and much more until you end up with a solid unitary multicellular organism that experiences what we call consciousness. But no matter how much you add onto the basic substrate, that which experiences being alive and exists are individual living cells, which, as far as anyone can tell, are composed of normal matter that has been incorporated into a living system, and while there, it can reasonably be called living matter.
So while it does seem that every living cell has some level of awareness within itself and about its immediate neighborhood, the higher mental and emotional functions are centralized in the brain, but it isn't the network or the complexity that is conscious. We live in a material universe, so there are only objects and forces, and you and I are objects. This is how I come to the conclusion that our solid living brains are the experiencers of consciousness, perceptions and thoughts.
That's as far as I can go with what I know about the current level of understanding about life and brain. Obviously there is thousands of years worth of research material in the details.
@@caricue evolution does not explain consciousness. that's pretty evident now.
@@Dion_Mustard If you think that consciousness is some separate substance that exists outside of space and time, well nothing is ever going to explain that. If you think that consciousness is a set of brain functions in a solid living organism, then there's nothing to explain.
The delayed choice quantum eraser experiment provides some evidence that it is the observer which influences the outcome of the particle or in other words knowledge of the system determines the outcome. It takes a knower to know the system, in other words a conscious being to have the knowledge and understand it. If you place a camera, machine or any other recording device recording the experiment without a conscious being present, the same results would occur. Does this provide evidence that there's no need for a conscious being to affect the outcome, the outcome results occur as if an observer is there? I think not. A conscious being would always need to observe the information of the recording device , therefore gaining knowledge of the system? There's no way of getting out of it. There would always be an observer to gain knowledge. The only way the system outcome may be different is if there is no one to observe and gain knowledge of the system in any way, but then that raises another problem, we would not know!!! we would never know anything about the system.
So no one, however qualified, can say - No it's nothing to do with consciousness, neither can it be said that it is consciousness 100%
Physicists/scientists will not accept this because it enters into the realm of metaphysics. Science is science when something can be disproved or evidence is found to suggest that it is more likely to be a certain way. When delving into quantum mechanics & the observer effect, things start to blur into something that cannot be proved or disproved therefore this enters into the realm of philosophy & metaphysics, hence Metaphysical prejudice comes into play. Is everything ultimately made of mind stuff? Many physicists think so.
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@Jarhead One has to go with what seems most likely while at the same time allowing what seems most likely to be adjusted by new knowledge. On a related topic, what is the fidelity between thoughts as we think them and those 'same' thoughts when they're in the form of writing? It occurs to me that writing is a mere skeleton of what I'm really thinking.
Good summary. I would add, this explanation for that experiment is our current understanding of it. The paradox that we find in it, shows imho that we dont yet fully understand that kind of physics.
Cerebral thoughts are instinctive: and each one is different, in accordance to their own kinds (species). For example, the instinctive thoughts of animals are entirely different from the instinctive thoughts of humans.
Man I never knew there was so much doubt in the scientific world whether the brain produces consciousness or not? I mean it seems so intuitive, brain acitivty=consciousness.
Well we can not determine the cause yet, only correlations.
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Where did consciousness come from? In opposing our static, instinctual, primitive selves, we broke away creatively and dynamically from instinct, to a more valued, conscious situation and hence gained some freedom from the instincts, which are determined. Pirsig, Jung, Kant et al.
Bullcrap.
You did not mention bicameral theory.
Did you not watch Westworld?
@@REDPUMPERNICKEL you listen to Sam Harry's what could you know?
@@torment4723 My question was not for you.
Soul
Is dreaming some level of consciousness? We seem to be self aware but dreaming is divorced from reality.
sure
dreaming is fascinating. and suggests consciousness is more than brain.
I know that you know, that I know what you know..
It might be nice to have consciousness without sentience. Even so, on the whole I think I'd rather have neither.
To understand anything is to understand how it works and why it works. 'How' is the mechanism. And 'Why' is the underlying principles and theory.
And such understanding needs to be more than just guessing and speculation. It needs to be based on evidence that points to one explanation and excludes alternative explanations. Which philosophy cannot do. This is the realm of science, rather than philosophy.
The reason why philosophy has so many unresolved disputes and disagreements is because the philosophical method isn't equipped for resolving disagreements. Philosophy is only good for brainstorming and for coming up with alternative ideas and theories. And some of these theories and ideas can be useful, if they are testable by the scientific method. Or else, disputes about these ideas and theories remain unresolved forever. Because without science, they are based on faith, just like religion is.
"without science, they are based on faith, just like religion is"
Not like religion because the axioms are different.
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Consciousness (which is simply the pinnacle attribute of what seems to be a form of "energy" that we call "life") is the singular most important aspect of reality, for without the existence of life and consciousness, reality would be utterly meaningless (not to mention that, according to certain interpretations of quantum theory, the 3-D features of reality may not even take form were it not for consciousness somehow being involved in the collapse of the wavefunction).
PHYSICISTS IN DENIAL:
Denial in the Physicist Community.
The theory of relativity informs us that our science is a science of our experience, and not a science of a universe that is independent of us as conscious observers. This nature of our science is also reflected in the formulation of quantum mechanics, since the main formulation of quantum mechanics does not provide direct rules for the behaviour of particles. Instead, it provides rules that concern only the results of measurements by observers. This means that the observer is an intrinsic part of the main formulation of quantum mechanics, and what differentiates the observer from physical particles has to be mind and consciousness.
As John von Neumann and Eugene Wigner pointed out, this means that consciousness has an intrinsic role to play in quantum mechanics. Why then has there been so much resistance to recognizing this fundamental fact? And why have physicists, for more than a century, persistently tried to get rid of the observer, even if it meant-in defiance of Occam’s razor-having to insert, by hand, additional hypothetical ad hoc conditions to the basic formulation?
The underlying problem appears to be the need to fit this intrinsic role of consciousness, in quantum mechanics, into the prevailing view, in Western philosophy, of a mind-matter duality. An attempt to fit the role of consciousness into this framework of a mind-matter duality would unfortunately lead to solipsism, and that is the main problem. So the vast majority of physicists gravitate, instead, to the stance of materialism, and hence the need for them to free quantum mechanics from the conscious observer.
The formulation of quantum mechanics actually does not, in any way, suggest a mind-matter dichotomy, and it certainly does not suggest either materialism or solipsism. Quantum mechanics actually points to a middle way between these two extremes of materialism and solipsism, a realization that both Werner Heisenberg and Wolfgang Pauli eventually reached. This means that the formulation of quantum mechanics actually points to the philosophical viewpoint of the Buddhist Madhyamika philosophy, also known as the Middle Way philosophy. Madhyamika philosophy would allow us to include the role of consciousness in quantum physics without ending up in the extremes of either solipsism or materialism.
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Excellently stated, Dongsheng Di. However, I must ask, can you show where Madhyamika philosophy (or any other branch of Buddhism, for that matter) offers any plausible explanation as to how the unfathomable order of the universe came to be?
the only thing I am sure about consciousness, is that it is not a "property of something".
What do you mean by 'property'?
Consciousness is a living being faculty (capacity) of self awareness.
it's more than that.
@@Dion_Mustard All living creatures have a "life essense", also known as spirit or a soul, which has the faculty of self awareness and cognition. Consciousness is not a thing.....in my opinion.
So then there are different levels of counciousness as there are different levels of awareness
My brain wants to know how it works when it is working.
Only the queen Borg can answer that question.
We break matter to as tiny as quarks but do really we know what makes matter or we only claimed we know just because we can observe shape, color..... measure weight, volume, charge...?
So what one could expect of those unseen, unweighted....matter of consciousnesses?
Well some will say matter is energy...but can we prove energy truly does exist....or other may say we can know consciousness by approaching through information.... But how can we cognize information without consciousness... One is on the vicious circle logic;
consciousness==>information==>consciousness
Rather similar for monism;
Physicalism case;
matter ==>information==>matter
Metaphysicalism case;
metaphysical==>information==>metaphysical
Or are we human beings live in illusion..... floating in universal space....with our ideas grounded no where... believing in things without proof?
May be.... because we don't know where universal space begin and where it end ....and we on the earth are only hanging somewhere in it!
Why we are like that..... because we arrogant....think we know?
If and only we read the book from Arabic desert... introduced 15 centuries ago ... The Quran....can bring back us to our human true sober sense that we are created beings!
We come to realize things because things are created in pair...we know positive because there is negative, we know good because there is evil.......
The Quran asks...
Surah At-Tur, Verse 35, 36
"Or were they created without there being anything, or are they the creators? Or did they create the heavens and the earth? Nay! they have no certainty."
(English translation - Shakir)
via iQuran
(Note that there were similar BOOKS before the Quran such as Injil, Towrat, Zabur.... But as we all know none is authentic now).
Although I’m not going to divulge ‘information’s’ correct ontological identity here in this CZcams comment, under an only slightly more careful examination than any apparently so far conducted, it - ‘information’ (as a phenomenon in its own right & not just what any of it says or means) turns out to be NOT ‘DIGITS’ but is instead rather, an eminently measurable phenomenon, which eminent measurability allows any kind & amount of it to be quite accurately & quite unambiguously identified just exactly where- & whenever any of it exists here in our Universe.
It likewise becomes eminently possible to trace what, if anything, is happening to any of it, including any instances of it being processed - or otherwise ‘handled’, stored, copied, used, shunted through, transmitted or transported etc - inside any machine, system or device (animate or inanimate alike) otherwise quite properly doing so.
Although ‘information’ is a stand-alone phenomenon, like many other things here in our universe it can be, & is indeed routinely, subject to no small number of ‘operations’ such as (again) being handled, copied, stored, used, transmitted, shunted or transported - indeed both newly created & ultimately destroyed (erased) etc, etc, etc.
‘Thinking’ turns out to be ‘using information gathered by the thinking agent from its surrounds as the means with which it either immediately - or after some period of safe storage - guides & directs any of its actions as taken by the so-thinking agent in regard to the very objects & events which initially gave rise to the information being so used thereby’.
Upon completion of any such tracing exercise as it pertains to any of this particular commodity - namely ‘information’ - as it is passing through (shunted through & collated) inside any human being’s central processor (brain), such shunting, collating, processing occurring as that individual declares her or himself to be in a state of consciousness (or not), not too tardily compels a number of conclusions to be drawn as regards not only the location of consciousness itself inside his or her central processor, not only the nature of consciousness itself (its true ontological status) but also in addition, none other than the very nature of material being itself too, these conclusions being, respectively, that ‘consciousness’ is a distinct, stand-alone, irreducible, foundational, elementary element of reality (as also are space, time, energy & information) & as far as ‘material being’ (matter itself) is concerned, it turns out to be none other than ‘congealed consciousness’.
Even further we are compelled to conclude by any such tracing exercise as we duly observe whatever particular kind & amount of ‘information’ is verily indeed passing through & being processed by the central processor of any properly representative & fully conscious (or not) human being, that our universe is a panpyschic one, that is to say one in which some quite demonstrably real & fully measurable/knowable albeit variable & graduated, kind & amount of sentience, or consciousness or knowing-ness, exists as the pen ultimate quintessence of all material being, such that the smallest (but composite) elementary elements of material reality (& there is no other kind of reality here in this our very own universe) - such ‘composites’ as are atoms & molecules, crystals & all living things (which are but select accretions/aggregations of dirty crystals !) - all possess, enjoy (or not !) & exhibit some very certain & quite commensurately kind & amount of sentience, consciousness, awareness or knowledge of themselves & of certain select items, distances, strengths, emanations & directions of other objects in their surroundings. And can thereby guide & direct their subsequent actions back there toward in a suitably fitness maximising/optimising manner as each is able.
Where the otherwise entirely separate phenomenon of ‘information’ fits into the picture of ‘consciousness’s’ is due to the fact that it is precisely the kind & amount of it - of ‘information’ - that any one increment of otherwise innately sentient/conscious/knowledgeable solid matter (animate or inanimate alike) which it - the thinking agent - can first gather, then subsequently use as the means with which to guide & direct its movements, which is that which classifies the level of consciousness thereof. Again it is the kind & amount of gathered & then used information which is precisely that which quantifies the kind & degree of consciousness (of sentience, of knowing-ness) that the any increment of solid matter (any agent) possesses, enjoys & exhibits.
Once ‘information’s’ correct but-as-yet-to-be-divulged ontological identity is properly & duly recognised, measuring the kind & amount of it - of ‘information’ - any one particular increment of solid matter can (quite demonstrably) first gather then use to guide its actions, poses no difficulty whatsoever. Which is to say measuring - & just as easily demonstrating - the exact kind & degree of consciousness any one or another of the many & various different kinds of, & very, very vast in number, solid bodies present here in our Universe possesses, enjoys & exhibits poses no especial difficulty whatsoever. ‘Consciousness’ fully explained.
Well, actually, the only way consciousness can be explained & understood is via the subjective experience thereof, & equally subjectively as to the subjective experience of its expansion or reduction directly in terms of the kind & amount of information one’s own consciousness experiences - learns, acquires, creates or loses.
It is the kind & number of sensory devices any one particular lump of matter possess which determines how much & of which particular kind of information any one particular already-innately-sentient lump of matter can use to scope its surrounds … & thereby quantify its kind & degree of consciousness.
It becomes eminently possible to measure & demonstrate (scientifically ) the kind & amount of innate consciousness (foundational sentience, precise degree of knowledge) any chair, table, sofa, atom or molecule, crystal of any kind, rain drop, snow flake, pond or ocean, planet or star, algae, plant, worm, fish, frog, galaxy or human possesses, enjoys & exhibits at any time under any set of circumstances……
Indeed, among several other amazing elucidations which become happily apparent once we know & recognise the illuminatory power the knowledge of information’s correct ontological identity affords, is the fact that we are compelled to conclude that solid matter (of any kind & amount) is not the ‘cold, lumpen & hard’ phenomenon we have become accustomed to believe it is, but is entirely the opposite - warm, sentient & sensible, intelligent, fully agential, fully self-organising, fully self-powered, always fully self-timed & self-directed as to all of its movements, soft & yielding ….
Indeed, we come to notice that we live in a universe that is not only panpyschic but one that is also pan-animate.
And also pan-moral (a story for another time).
All differences are those of solely of degree & not at all those of kind
Some lumps of already innately sentient (& already innately moral/right-acting) matter are just more complexly sentient - they can gather & use for guidance more information - than other lumps.
Get ready ….
I truly wonder if anybody read all of that…
Unconsciousness , that’s even more difficult to understand. The suspension, temporary or indefinite, of that we do not understand
Actually unconsciousness is much easier to explain, because it can be explained by automatic processes in our brains, which are not conscious about. It's just like a neural network, a machine working all the time in our head and doing all bunch of stuff based on hard-coded program based on DNA and soft-coded programs gained through experience. Nothing to odd there. But consciousness on the other hand - why would a machine have this distinguished part it identifies itself with?
@@jerrybatsford9689 We can easily give a robot a sense of self. It's enough to endow its neural network with certain feedback loops. But I don't see any argument that this specific feedback loop would be distinguished in a way that this robot would identify itself with this feedback loop and not all the other computations that go inside its neural nets. I have completely no idea how to create consciousness in a machine. And I see no good arguments that it is only a matter of complexity.
With the exception of the artificial and abstract thinker in you, you are pure Nature.
does consciousness go somewhere upon death of the brain
You are asking where the flame goes when a candle is snuffed out.
Where am I?
In the present....worth a shot
Are dogs conscious of being different than humans?
I'm pretty sure dogs are always looking forward to becoming human
in exactly the same way that human babies do.
Stop looking for it. Consciousness is not A thing. It is like the word comedy. There are many things we call comedy. We know comedy when we encounter it. Some people may not find something funny when some others do. Comedy is different than say melancholy. Similarly Consciousness is a class of phenomenon that are produced by brains (as of today) and by convention fall under consciousness. Subjective experience seems to the only one that is not explained YET. Neuroscience is working on it. It may be substrate independent.
Consciousness is asking, what is consciousness? 😆
The mind is asking Consciousness, “What is Consciousness”.
When the mind is quiet, Consciousness already Knows what it IS.
@@msimp0108 Wow, that is deep! Where can I read up on that?
Consciousness is the survival awareness emerging from a proximity of a black hole and intercepted by the antenna called brain.
Animals are conscious and aware as well as humans, for instance you take a dog that has been raised by the Spanish language and you tell him to sit in English he is not going to understand BUT you can teach him just as he was taught in Spanish just as humans learn, the only separation from animals and humans is language and looks. Consciousness is a hard thing to understand what it really is but I do know for an absolute 100% fact "for myself" that this is all a simulation program.
Consciousness is the all reality , all is consciousness . materialism is baloney ...
The same ol twist with a new Twist of nothing on a road to nothing one of these strings that you're talkin about has must have you hooked somewhere and you can't find it I can guarantee you won't, isn't that right Robert
Take dmt and you’ll totally understand what consciousness is that simple we are apart of something way bigger the Bible actually tells you this but most people misunderstand the Bible and go all the way left field with what Jesus was teaching us same thing can be said for all the other religious icons that showed mankind who we are and what we are and what and who we come from we are all the same life force each one of us are different aspects of the higher consciousness that’s why it’s dumb to judge another that’s just judging yourself each aspect is just more extreme at certain parts of our total personality than others and even tho we are all the same when we die we still well have our separate or identity but can feel what each other is feeling and have a complete understanding of why we chose to enter this physical realm to experience life in this form we’re being tricked by the wicked parts of our own selves which are the world leaders and so called demons to stay confused and not wake up for really no reason at all just the fact that’s the wicked part of ourselves and it hates the good part of ourselves like a inner battle with our own existence because honestly we’re eternal and bored basically🤷🏾♂️
agreed. dmt is fascinating. it seems to expand consciousness, and even makes consciousness "non-local".
@@Dion_Mustard I have to try this! Not easy to find though. BTW consciousness cannot be expanded, increased or decreased.
all the World leaders should take it before taking office. Mandatory instead of ,,swearing in,, kind of thing.
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For the unconscious vampires (greed) to comprehend conscious human beings (love)...is like giant a**holes in space trying to comprehend the stars (light and warmth) that they suck out of heaven (joy, beauty and harmony).
The clever coyote (greed) is always trying to catch the roadrunner (love). But never does. Because something that is not real (absence of love) can never catch that which is real (love).
That coyote (greed) is a crazy clown...
The roadrunner is the state bird of the Land of Enchantment. The land of magic (love).
Conciousness , soul 👌❤ ... what is a soul ? ... god 🎯❤ ... we need to admit this for sure before any scientific quest ❤
It seems to me, from what you wrote,
that you have a weak imagination
or one subverted by religious indoctrination.
Consciousness could be quantum
Yea, that is realy interesting theory, Roger Penrose, huh?
Why should they be related? Only because they are both mysterious phenomena?
@@rckflmg94 not necesarely, we don't know where and what our conciousness is. But one guy, sir Roger Penrose (nobel award winner) said that our conciousness can be quantum becouse it looks like quanrum information. He found structures called microtubule in our brains which looks exactly like a "box" that can hold quantum information inside our brain. When we are dying this box us opening and all this quantum stuff flies out. Scientists started to look at him like madman and they said something like, our brain is too wet and warm to make any quantum stuff and wibrations, but in 2014 chinese scientist said that microtubules are vibrating or something so is our brain too wet and warm?
Science will NEVER explain consciousness. That's pretty much evident now. Some things will forever remain a mystery. I personally think consciousness is more than brain, however , it's very hard to convince a hard-wired materialist to think outside the box, so I am in the minority to believe this theory, but that does not mean I am wrong.
There might be an answer already. It's called Nondualism.
@@Vlad-wl3fw ‘might’ is the key world here.
"Science will NEVER explain consciousness."
Folks once believed that a piece of iron
could be cut in half ad infinitum
and that no matter how fine the pieces
they would still be iron.
They were wrong.
Your belief has that same flavour.
"I personally think consciousness is more than brain"
Well of course it is.
It is intimately related to what the brain is doing.
That you don't know how it works is no excuse for magic thinking.
Trying to understand consciousness from the same level of consciousness where it is explored is only foolishness. Same like trying to solve a problem from the same level of consciousness where the problem was created. This is only intellectual ego talk as usual.
what a silly assertion. Eventually, engineers will be able to wire themselves up and measure their own conscious awareness.
Consciousness is nothing more than the processing of sensory information by a biological entity that can sense its boundaries. The more sensory information that the entity is capable of simultaneously processing, the higher level of consciousness it possesses. The cell possesses the lowest level of consciousness, humans have the highest level because of its brain capacity to process and store information. Artificial intelligence will have consciousness once it meets all requirements. The universe has no boundaries or capability to process information so there is not a conscious universe (sorry Deepak Chopra). Consciousness does not survive after the end of the entity because consciousness is an attribute of the entity.
The only way to deprive a biological entity of all its sensory processing capacity or consciousness is by killing it. Being in a comma or sensory deprivation room does not stop all sensory input. Our cells are in constant communication, and along with the nervous system give us our physical boundary. Don’t limit our consciousness to the rough thinking of our five senses; think chemical, electrical, pressure, and magnetic input processing. The brain creates memories (models/mental maps), assess risk/benefits, and calculate probabilities; the capacity to manipulate those processes is what puts humans above other species.
Consciousness is extremely easy to understand, unless you are going around blind looking for any reason not to acknowledge the truth and existence of God. Only then is it perplexing.
So explain your understanding of it.
Consciousness baffles philosophers. Baffle baffle baffle.
I'm glad children didn't find that suitcase
Tim puzzles "conscieness" show up his definition are rambling. He hasnt authorities scientif as Conscieness works because he Not understand brains. He example are so simple, bobastic. Chalatan.
consciousness is the process in which we are able to live in this matrix we call life