Optimizing Your CO2 | Surface Scum & Light CO2 Relationship | Aquascaping
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- Tom Barr talking about co2/02 flux with some additional links:
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In this video I go over how you can optimize your pressurize co2 within your planted aquarium and or high-tech aquascape. I go over co2 diffuser types and putting your co2 on a timer. In greatly detail I talk about how the surface biofilm, surface agitation, and co2 and o2 flux relate to stabilized co2 levels in your aquarium as well as even distribution of co2 throughout your aquarium. I also talk briefly about the synergistic relationship between light and co2. Thanks for watching ADU Aquascaping.
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Dude your videos are for me the best of the entire aquascapers community, hope you can bring us more like this, thanks for all the info!
Sebastián AF thank you for the kind words. I will keep uploading even if I am not consistent.
ADU Aquascaping thanks spent evening do my tanks now I just wish I could send you pics
Agreed, Dave is a really good teacher and very laid back, I love his style and would really love to meet him one day.
You're like a solar eclipse. We don't get to see you that often, but when we do it's always special.
T.Frakes Tanks hey thanks for the kind words man. Similar to a convict goby or ninja bee shrimp! Haha The elusive yet intriguing inhabitant within your aquarium. I will keep uploading even if I am not consistent.
I realy love the way of explaning, it is so clear. Thank you for the time that you stick in making this vids.
May all peaple stay healty in this time so we can enjoy the hobby.
Dirk from Netherlands.
Just exactly what I was looking for!
Finally! I think this is the first video I watch that explains this !!! Its so overlook and ignore . I'm happy I came across this video. Thanks for the help man 😎
Dave, your presentation of healthy aquarium knowledge is one of the best over the whole internet! I like your style, honestly. Glad to see this new video. Best wishes for 2018!
Oleg Reshetov thanks for the support as always man! Спасибо и хорошего дня. Я говорю только чуть чуть по-русски. Я новичок.
Well I prefer foreign language practicing, and it's good of you to learn russian or any other language if it gives any additional opportunity, and like it's said "ты человек столько раз, сколько языков знаешь" :)
I have ran my current fish house for just over a year, 13 tanks in multiple rooms 7 of which run co2 through a 6 way splitter, a two way manifold, and a lot of co2 line. I thought I knew a thing or two about co2 distribution in tank; running good levels and keeping multiple tanks HEAVILY planted including an all Crypt tank and an all Eriocaulon tank, until I watched this video. PekTek sent me your way and now I am a subscriber. Just wanted to let you know I appreciate your time and effort and your information is definitely useful and needed. I will stay tuned for more.
C_Town Hey thanks. Well it sounds like
You're doing pretty well to me. Basically if you have a set volume the quicker the CO2 leaves that volume the more you can pump into that same volume. It creates the same CO2 levels because the flux is higher, so it would be more even distribution. I hope that makes sense. It is more of a concern with larger and deeper tanks. I have a small tank with a pretty large canister, so of course I am going to have good distribution. But someone with poor circulation, and poor surface agitation will most likely have poor distribution, and more than likely a surface biofilm, which depends on O2 levels and organics in the water. We want the biofilm. We just want it growing predominantly in the filter. Similar to water treatment plant some the biofilm is a natural coagulant and traps organics to be decomposed. So my new theory is this, do not touch your filter media. In most cases it will not be over come by too much sludge. After a long period of time, once detritus from the filter starts entering the aquarium through the outflow than you can clean your filter. Just keep the organics low in your aquarium, the detritus and decaying plant matter and don't overfeed. But don't clean or touch your filter. This will better decompose the organics. And of course try to have high O2 through surface agitation or a wet dry filter, or even surface skimmer. Hope this gives you some more ideas. More efficiently decomposing the organics also uses less O2, because the bacteria will be more mature, so this helps the O2 levels be more stable as well. It all has to do with basic husbandry, but we often take it for granted or don't know the actual underlying reasons as to why we are doing the husbandry. It has to do with having good water quality. High O2 and low organics. This has to come first, even before we worry about nutrients, light, or CO2.
Happy New Year Dave! I like that adjective moment, keeping it real. Thanks for the video, it’s nice to be reminded about co2, light, water quality etc. We sometimes get too familiar. Have a great day!
Rommel R hahaha, yes I had to get serious! Have a great day and thanks. Have a Happy New Year!
Love your channel, Dave! You are one of the very few people on youtube who truely educate people in this hobby.
Keith Lau thanks for the kind words man. I will keep uploading, trimming my plants, and my beard! Thanks for watching
what he said ^^
Best aquascape channel period!
Brilliant vid Dave, best I’ve seen on the subject. Just discovered you and subscribed too to see more. Look forward to seeing your other ones and those to come.
Very solid information as always David.
pecktec glad you enjoyed the video dude! Or is a clone commenting? I guess I'll never know. Haha
I like the technical info. That's the way people learn. You have to under stand what you're trying to do. Keep the vids coming!!
Randy thanks. I will keep them coming. People are revolting against my channel lately, so I may have to switch up my content. Haha
Mate - keep up the great work. Your videos are really helpful
Just started watching your videos again, been a while since I had a tank up and running but I'm excited to get back into it. You really have some of the best videos, and tanks I have seen on CZcams. Looks like you haven't made videos for a while, would be great to see more. But thanks a lot for all the great information you have shared.
Thanks for watching! As of right now I am focused elsewhere. I have some other intentions going on right now!
Love your channel, I learn so much. Thanks 👍
Super Water Aquatics thanks for the support as always
Just introduced co2 for the first time today, Thank you for such an amazing vid. Very informative!
Didn't check in for a looong time. Awesome video and beard!
yeah I will just keep uploading. consistently? I doubt it. I will just keep on trimming my beard and my plants!
GREAT CONTENT AS ALWAYS !!!!!
Legit this video was incredibly useful- thankyou! Been trying to find this kind of information forever
Thanks a lot for watching. Should have a new scape video coming soon! Rescaping my 20 gallon ADA 60P
Great vid!! Nice to see something other than someone’s opinion on complex topics like these. Conditions vary from aquarium to aquarium and people tend to preach what works for them as the golden rule. Your vids go a step further and explain how these processes actually work, and that’s invaluable. Knowing this information helps your viewers understand these things and then make decisions on what works for then. Def earned a sub! Keep’em coming.
Thanks a million for watching. I may start back up once I am done with school. Just really focused on work and research right now!
Thanks for the great information Dave
This is the best and easiest way I have heard this explained
2021 and its still the best explanation on youtube imho
Great advice and explanation. Thank you 🙂
Thanks for share your knowledge with us Master Dave. That's true man you own real healthy plants.
hectornfigueroa11 thanks for watching! I will keep uploading
Thanks for uploading this info.
Dave, i just want to thank you for your videos. Its a really high level knowledge and relevant themes. Very hard to find a source of good information like this. Thank you. (Sorry for my english mistakes, Im brazilian)
Yuri Sousa hey thanks for the support man. You write really well in English! Thanks for watching
Very informative, thanks!
Holy Cow! You just schooled me on CO2! Yesterday I started a planted Co2 tank. Knowledge is oozing out of you mouth 👍🙏
1. Great video! 2. Lovely tank. 3. Fine moustache! I'm British and almost immediately saluted you there Sir. Haha. Finally, thanks for sharing. :)
Ugh, the number of times I've dipped my arm into the tank and got my sleeve wet. Fantastic information, though, much thanks, love the plants!
Pricklyhedgehog72 I just love wearing long sleeves on days I do Maintenance. It is a curse
Thx Dave awesome explanation!
Ralf thanks man. Glad you enjoyed the subject
Great vid. I finally “get it” . Thanks
Very informative video thank you.
the best aquascape tutorial I ever watched!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! totally theories and no sponsor bullshit talk!!!!!
Do it to it bud, thanks for sharing your knowledge...
Excellent video Dave!
WaterForest • Aquatics hey thanks man! Hope the forums are going well. I will keep uploading even if it isn't consistent. Hope your tanks are doing well.
ADU Aquascaping Groups are doing well & so are the tanks.
Appreciate thoughts as well as your efforts!
Great informative video.
And like you, I agree there are ALOT of aquascapes out there, but I’d love to see them after a few weeks...plant health/balance in the long run IS key. Keep up with the informative vids :)
Struggling a lot with surface film I finally bought Eheim Skim 350 and this small device is A BEAST against bacterial film, it only runs 4 times * 15min a day and does very great job. It costs not that much and consumes only 5W.
Thanks for the knowledge! And I agree on the plants statements at the end! You've made me feel better about having to care more about healthier plants vs the perfect looking aquascape. It's more challenging to find the right balance in the environment for plants and fish than the actual layout.
Carlos Hernandez glad you liked the video man
I'm doing aquascape for 1 year and I must say this is the best advice I got, aquascape is about plant growth and not design , the true philosophy of aquascaping is dying its no more about fish nature but design
Thanks. Yes, it can be more about the design than healthy plants nowadays. It's becoming a made for photography hobby
I have been battling GSA and it's been a nightmare. It's even growing on ludwigia repens and water wisteria! I've messed with the lighting, nutrients, water change frequency and volume...I've added co2 just today to try to help with a better balance! Thank you for this video!
Links to two threads on the barrreport in the video description.
I’m starting up a high tech 75 gal. Tank with co2, led lighting and a fairly large number of plants. In some videos I’ve watched they stated that the co2 should be turned off at night and an air stone should be run all night until the co2 starts again in the morning. It seems to me this could cause a lot of fluctuation, any thoughts?
Jim Story yeah it is more beneficial and consistent to just have surface agitation 24/7. Thanks for watching
Great video, explains a lot that's going on in my low tech tank.
Great video. I learned the hard way for a while now, and couldn't figure out why my plants higher up were getting blasted by algae. Certain plants lower down didn't do as well, so now i tone down my lights from their max setting (started by reducing by about 25%) and it seems to of solved the issue. I don't run CO2, but i dose with flourish Excel.
Really nice tank , apart from the high end design, this lighting is just the best with the ripple effect from the surface agitation, so important to the overall look and feel of the aquarium but not often enough talked about in the yt fish community. You nailed it man!
Pierre Fourtwenty thanks glad you enjoyed the video. I just ordered some Lily Pipes! Finally! Haha
awesome thanx for the video :)
fin doe glad you enjoyed, peace
Wonderful info, much appreciated! Using a Fluval Planted 3.0 with a 1.5 hour ramp up on the lights from off to full blast. Currently the CO2 is set to come on 1.5 hours before the lights. Any suggestions since there is a 3 hour difference between CO2 ON and lights all the way on?
11:43 Thank You Sir, finally someone who thinks likewise! Thank you!
RJ45 haha that is right! Thanks for watching
I've spent the evening doing my tanks on your advice I'm sorted thank you
just b aquatics glad to hear. Hope it works out for you and your scape
Super clean tank.. yessir!!!!!
We need more information and content like you put on your videos instead of all those CZcamsrs/Sellers..
Please don’t leave us for so long..
Sergio Gmez I will never leave you! Haha
Amazing! Take my sub!
Great info as usual ! P.S. The taller plants on the right foreground realy give an amazing sense of depth to the aquarium . Not often do I see it on nano aquariums...
João Ismail Thanks for sharing your perspective! Haha. Thanks for watching man
Where do you currently prefer to put your inline diffuser? I noticed on an older video you put in before the filter so it would saturate more-
Thanks
Great vid. What light do you use?
Roma 240 with fluval 3.0 and c02 never get red plants to grow. And never get any Pearling even tried 2 lights any ideas?
that aquarium is so pretty!
Great content as usual. I have a question about this co2/light relationship. What if you start adding more co2 than the plant can absorb? I suppose it's just wasted right? And also how do we know what is the max co2 level requirement of the plants?
Hi adu. I cant understand the last few min. The part abt bucep on top having algae, counter it by lowering light intensity. Anubias at bottom?
Surface agitantion good for low tech planted tank with non Co2?
Hey i gota question would it be dumb use use a air pump and air stone to agitate the surface while the co2 is running or will the co2 escape more quickly because of the air pump ???
Wonderful content.. Love from India.. Man u got a subscriber... ☺️
I am using a hang on back filter. Should I turn it off if my CO2 is on?
nice video i ve just connected co2 to my aquascape
I do agree with most of the aquascaping competitions going in the miniature train set direction than what their names suggest. A simple addendum to rule set could be that a certain percentage of the photographed tank has to be plants.
Husein bhinderwala yeah they need to get more serious about plant health. They have been ignoring that aspect lately. Thanks for watching. Same day competitions don't help either. Tropica will transport an established aquascape to new locations, such as aquarium conventions. A lot of work, but it can be done.
Hİ Dave, So when we use hob filter there is more surface agitation, what is result of using hob filter in low tech and high tech tanks (about co2)
Just received my 1st regulator, a dbl mini gauge cga320 with bbl ctr drp chkr, sadly no solenoid, will have to order separate. However not the end of the world.
Came here and consulted your CZcams series first, you have the goods!
I have nice moss walls atm and looking forward to planting Rotala Wallichii or rotala butterfly mini, something nice n' red to compliment mid ground, tank is 5.5g.
Very informative. Done sub😘
Thanks, hopefully will have more videos coming this spring or summer. Just busy with the business right now
Had previously watched a similar video by Dennis Wong and your video helps to reinforce what I learned from Dennis and extends with additional info on biofilm. The 2 of you are the best on YT who readily share your knowledge with the community at an understandable yet deep level that I actually apply to my planted tanks.
I have watched your past videos on fertilization but wanted to ask if you will be again covering this topic with your current fert schedule. I am always modifying my mixes but am interested in the micro nutrients as there has been past and current discussion (sometimes heated) on micro toxicity/deficiency on The Planted Tank forums that have included Tom Barr.
Keep the videos coming.
Rod S hey thanks for the kind words Rod. Yes, Dennis did a great video on the topic and it reminded me that we needed even more information on optimizing. Haha. Yeah the old toxicity club. Well I am no totalitarian when it comes to dosing, but just the other day I was thinking about how I could make a couple simple videos where I share my current dosing and talk about dosing methods. Also, maintenance methods. Just simple explanations so more people can follow along.
Rod S I know K can be abundant and not impede uptake of other nutrients. But as far as aquatic plants and micro toxicity I am don't know. I have never noticed any issues with ample amounts of nutrients in the water column.
What has Tom been saying about it?
Well essentially he was being questioned (at times critically) to provide scientific type of data to justify his use of higher concentrations of nutrients. He would mentione he did not experience the type of plant growth issues that were being discussed but did provide some dosing info based on the tank and plants and he did not strictly follow EI for all cases. It became a big thread but many posts were deleted by the admins for there attacking/accusatory nature and one or possibly two members got banned. I believe based on this thread PPS-Pro changed there recommended dosing for CSM+B from 0.14 to 0.01 using Fe as the proxy.
This was about 1 to 2 years ago and fast forward to today and there is a TPT thread that's reviewing customizing micros at higher concentrations based on the success of member burr740 who won the recent Dutch category at AGA. You can check out burr740's journal on TPT. His tank is pretty amazing.
Rod S Without any conclusive experiments that have been replicated 30+ times there is no way to know for certain. Fe is the main nutrient of concern. Someone could do 4 1 liter containers. 1 control just RO water, and 3 at varying levels of Fe, with all other parameters identical. Report the results and do this 30 times. Your results would be the truth in regard to aquatic plants and Fe concentrations. Then you would want to do this with 30 different species as well to make it truly a theory. So 4 1 liter containers for 30 plant species, and repeat at least 30 times. Preferably 100+ times. A lot of work. And may have to adjust time frames and or exposure times to Fe, etc... A lot of work. Or we can just observe thousands of tanks that all dose EI, take a survey and collect information that way through photos and see that for most toxicity doesn't apply. It's like when people say chlorine is toxic, so don't use it in drinking water. Right, 1 out of 2 million people may die from it. Are those significant numbers? No. Well Lima, Peru followed this advice and stopped using chlorine for residual in their local water. Over 20,000 died in one year from waterborne diseases.
What kind of wood is that? How do I find it in the wild
Hey, may I know what lights r u using?
Love the info provided. It has helped me a lot. I just wanted to ask if it would be ok to use an air pump to get more air into the tank as I'm using a canister filter and a sponge filter for my shrimp. Thanks.
Shershah Nazari it can help add a little more O2, but having more surface agitation of any kind can be good. Try getting more surface movement any way you can.
ADU Aquascaping thanks for the advice. I also wanted to ask is there is a thing as too much surface agitation?
Hey man...thank you for all your info on aqua setup. I have one question...i have 2 canister filters, one of them is connected to inline CO2 difuzer. My filter intake(suction) pipes are set diagonally, and my outtake is set on one corner for both filters. The one with CO2 is set to burst down, and the other is set up to agitate surface. Is this good setup?
Thank you in advance.
Been watching this video over and over. It's the only way I learn, lol drill that shit into my head.
Excellent info btw and it's easy to trust you with a beautiful tank behind you with thriving plants and livestock.
How do you keep your ph up with increasing co2 I’m running 6.5 on a 300 gallon planted discus tank I’m using mineralized r o water and the co2 is very tricky
I'm running a powerhead and HOB for flow and surface oxygenation. The HOB is also my backup to the canister.
Zero surface scum but will see when I add pressurized co2 this weekend. Going to start slow and measure my ph/oh as well as a drop checker.
You ever found a way to best distribute the c02 with HOB filters? I can't figure out if I should place it under the intake or have it circulate round the tank.
Thanks
nice videos where do you buy your light`?
dude how about this? if i change my lilly pipe to spraybar which is it gets more flow and surface agitation, then should i change my traditional diffuser into inline diffuser?
hello i have a question. ive had plants in my aquarium for more than a year now, low tech. but rececently i got myself a co2 tank and started using it. its been about a week now but my plants are growing at a rate similar to my low tech scape. i dont see any significant difference. would you tell me how long it usually takes to see the difference?
@@ADUAquascaping hello so its been a month. Its doing well now👍🏻. I can see the difference in colour and health of plants. I think the reason why i didnt see the changes at the beginning was because ive been observing them everyday because of the lockdown. During the low tech setup i was rarely home hence whenever i got back i saw significant growth
Miss your video bro, please do share more 👍👌🙋🏻♂️
Thanks for sharing this ultimate truth with us!
In this fact you stated how would this work when you are running a cold water tank? Less light and co2 probably? And when it get summer and the temp will increase get more light and co2 then in winter right? Mine temp is 18 Celsius atm but in summer it will probably get to 25 for a few months.
Love your work thanks so much! And subbed.
I just started using co2. Is it bad to run co2 24/7? I'm using 0.4 bubbles per second in a 5 gallon with no surface agitation.
hey man, I grow only anubias and bucephilandra. I have great surface agitation in my 20g tank and I use DIY yeast Co2. Do you think since my surface agitation high, is it gasing off co2 from the tank before my plants take it ?? because I see no improvement in my plants. what's your opinion DIY co2 yeast ?? should I stop using diy yeast co2 ??
Real dude perfect
No matter what I just can't get my up aqua inline diffusers to not make mist. I'd try it on the intake, but I'm not down for ruining my filter. Got any tips for me?
Ps you actually do have some of the healthiest plants I've seen.
Pray4Mojo there will always be some mist with an inline diffuser. You can try a reactor if you like. Thanks for the support as always.
Hello. What is your say on DIY Co2 systems with citrus and baking soda? Is it worth it cost wise compared to pressured Co2 canisters?
You want higher pressure for consistent and even distribution throughout the aquarium, but no need if you're going low tech. Could set up a small trial tank with the DIY CO2 . Many tend to create fluctuations and stress the plants
wow of everything ive searched about the algae problem ive been having i dropped my lights it sort of slowed things down i then finaly got my co2 green before the lights came on "i was lucky to get green before lights went out" new to this but im almost clear of the nasty stuff but what i have to say is i came across this vid that as nothing in the tittle about algae but answered the question ive been looking for why didnt i find you sooner lmfao ....subscribed.....
im subscribing 👍💯
Thanks for watching. Hopefully I have a new aquarium up and running soon!
Great video! Wrap in fertz intro the equation next please
Great information thanks. It would be great if you would show the CO2 running so we can see how it's being diffused in you tank. I have a in line diffuser like yours. However to get my PH to 7.0 I have to run 10* BBS on my counter. My PH is 7.8 at night. Takes almost 4-5 hrs to reach 7.0. at that rate. Surface movement is like yours. It seems to me I'm using too much CO2. Should I lower the surface agitation to help maintain a better PH balance?
Well with CO2 because it is a part of the carbon cycle the CO2 either gets gassed off, used by plants, or a very small percentage turns from carbonic acid to free hydrogen and bicarbonate, so that being said, it doesn't have an affect on the buffer the same way other acids do. Your pH goes down because of a slight small increase in free hydrogen, which also disappears as fast when you turn the CO2 off. Then the pH goes back up. If it was really acidified it would not go back up. This is because your buffer really hasn't been impacted
Thanks for your reply. I just put in a few more pieces of driftwood in. I'll see how that goes, I'm hopping that I can drop the PH so I don't have to inject CO2 as much and get a better balance in my tank.
Brand new to the hobby here. I know this comment is years behind, but how are you getting Co2 in there? I see the valves, but nothing going into the tank. Is that Co2 line going into your filter output line? So an inline diffuser can just pump straight into a canister filter output? Great knowledge for future projects. How would I get the Co2 in the tank if I had a HoB filter? Just run a line down with no attachment on the end? My other question is can I get by with no Co2. I'm still at the 10 gallon tank phase, and learning on it. My tank is pretty heavily planted. Everyone seems to scream put Co2 in everything.
you can watch my video on how I set up a CO2 system if you haven't already
Does anyone know a CO2 reactor suited for a 500 liter aquarium that you can buy and not make yourself that is good quality, meaning works well and won't leak?
Dave whats up! you are very smart. Thanks for the vid. I watched this several times yet still confused. I understand that surface agitation is important for oxygen levels and to allow co2 to release. But when increasing surface agitation aren't we increasing the amount of co2 we waste? When trying to optimize co2, wouldn't this be counterproductive. are you saying, to optimize co2 we must waste a little? I have an inline diffuser by gla running on a 406. I am experiencing this film you speak about. I have my outflow just at the top, so i can hear a faint trickle of water but I am afraid I am wasting money. What would you recommend. THanks
yeah if you want better distribution throughout the tank. If you increase the amount leaving that specific volume, you can increase the amount entering the volume to achieve the same ppm levels of CO2, so it will be around 30 ppm of CO2, but you are pumping more CO2 to gain that level, which will increase overall distribution within that specific volume. It can make the levels become more stable and consistent as well, which the plants and fish will benefit from more stable CO2 levels- growth of plants, fish respiration etc...
What if you don't have a co2 system in your planted tank? Does more agitation still good? Since it allows more co2 to escape??
It is still OK to have agitation. You will still reach an equilibrium. Just have a bit less. Also, within that environment many plants will utilize your carbonate buffer as a carbon source to some extent
Hey man I hope you can respond to this question because it seems you know what you're talking about; I have a question regarding if I am injecting c02 into my tank correctly.
I have a 75 gallon aquarium running a Aqueon 400 canister filter rated 400gph up to 155g.
The output from the canister has a inline reactor running around 3 bubbles per second and then the water is returned to the tank via two "water clarifying units" basically two hang on back filters.
My drop checker turns a dark green from the dark blue it was not too much of a differance in color.
Do you believe some of the c02 is escaping as the water is returned back to the tank via the two outflow hob filters? I thought reactors should difuse around 99% of the c02 so my thoughts led me to believe the c02 saturated water will be pushed deeper inside the tank as the water returns from the two outflow hob units.
Am I correct or am I losing c02 this way? I can always switch to a spray bar that would return the c02 saturated water directly in the tank.
Any advice is greatly appreciated!!
3 bps is barely anything for a 75 gallon, especially with high surface agitation. lots of people use 3bps in 20 gallons. slowly up your co2 each day to get your drop checker moving. The only advice give you is to not rush things too much, drop checkers take 2-3 hours to change color so it's not a live display,
@@not_ur_senpai866 thanks for the reply you where right I had to up it a little and it is now lime green :)
@@robertcostache6824 great!!
Nice mustach style😀
Mohandas Hegde haha thanks. Gotta keep it clean for ribs and ramen
Well said ! It took me several months to get where i am today and i believe there's still more to learn in this hobby :)
Aquatic Haus thanks for watching. I just subbed to your channel. Great stuff! Have a Happy New Year man
Thanks alot man! I've been always following you for your informative video sharings , keep it up man and a Happy New Year To You Too!