2013 Scion FRS Cam Crank Problem
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- čas přidán 12. 09. 2024
- This Scion had a used engine installed which is now setting a DTC P0016 code. Automotive Test Solutions eSCOPE Elite oscilloscope and eSCAN Elite drivability scan tool are used for the diagnosis.
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Wow that's nuts Bernie! Fantastic diagnosis! Can't believe the shop put the phasers from the junk engine back in the replacement...just asking for trouble :)
Read Subaru's TSB's for that code. That car ain't out of the woods yet.
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@@hnd2893 I heard you need a new ecu everytime you change all the phasers?
@@andrewcimochowski yea there is no way to relearn the positions. The ecm will not relearn. At the shop I work at we had a newer wrx that jumped timing and after the repair the values remained fixed to the wrong angle and the only fix was an ecu.
Lol, this guy...
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The DTC capture feature on the scope is an amazing feature. Way to go ATS!
Hey Mr Thompson great content as usual. Are you feeling OK? Not the normal you, get checked out with the doctors office as you are one of a kind and need to be firing on all cylinders. Hope everything is ok. Thanks for helping us normal techs get a glimpse into your world, you are on another level!!
I noticed also ,he is not looking right . I hope everything is okay 👌
I noticed he's skinnier & he looks weak. Hope everything is fine.
He is good he was just checked out on his 4 channel scope.
I hope you are feeling ok sir! Thank you for your videos!
Wow I watched this one again it was so good. I have to be shown like this to be able to understand the content. Bernie is gifted. The more I watch his channel the more I want the 8 channel
Wow! Bernie, your professional career 'life story' will be compelling reading. And the history of ATS. Put me down for a copy right now.
Top notch as always. I bet if the shop left the original phasers this engine would be fine.
See Subaru TSB 02-163-16R about diagnosing this family of DTCs. We have been seeing these regularly on BRZs (rebadged FRS) and WRXs. It is vital to check initial learned position values as your first step. They can not be cleared from the ECM. You may fix the problem (OCV solenoid, cam sprocket, oil pressure, etc), but the DTC will return if the initial learned values are out of specification. Your repair must include ECM replacement to completely repair the vehicle if those values are out of range.
This one is a strange one in that it only codes on decel. If metal was hanging the phaser or oil control valve was sticking, you'd think you would see it code other than decel. What you typed makes sense and Keith Perkins had a similar issue on the automotive waveform exchange on FB where an ECM change was the only way to correct it.
@@Discretesignals Bernie also captured the joy of being a real world tech. After he spent a lot of time diagnosing the vehicle, he got a vital piece of info that contaminated sprockets had been installed. Knowing this initially would have saved all the shops involved a lot of time. Wish more people would learn having the full story from the beginning is ultimately less expensive in the end.
Agreed, maybe Bernie didn't get the TSB, and there was no mention of the AVCS/VVT learned values. Also consider the timing chain cover has been off, lots of RTV used in that area, lots of little pieces can muck up the works.
And folks complain when auto techs charge what they charge. This is a very great diagnostic video🎉
Learn more on your channel then in college .. as always your the man. We truly appreciate you. Wish you many blessings and health.
Man i have this scope & always learn something new from this video and the scope. Just amazing scope functions & features. Bernie is worldwide top tech.
Hey there Mr Thompson.. always good to watch your videos.So, mistakes have been made.. however with calm, cool, and collective deductive reasoning you have one again identified the malfunction. Great diagnosis!
Once you start using the escope elite4 you'll fall in love with it & you want to use it everyday to learn more. There are so much to learn about this scope. It does a lot of things , you can check for shorted circuits with the TTL & apply 5 volts to circuit where they work on 5 volts. I can't stay away from this Escope. My daily bread. Amazing scope.
Pls how much does it cost?
@@smartnwogu8316 the 4 channel costs 2900$.
Awesome equipment in the hands of a competent technician yields results. Best technician I've seen hands-down!
its weird that its not setting a cam over advance code like a p0011 or something instead of a p0016 which has always been a base timing code in my experience. great vid as always
Ya gotta take into consideration this engine had internal parts swapped. All bets are off, that's where an in-depth customer interview can come in real handy and a good visual may have spotted fresh RTV on the timing cover.
Awesome Bernie! I've got the escan, now just need an escope!
Another absolute banger. Well done Bernie. Keep up the most useful free training videos available on the planet
great diagnosis Bernie , thanks for sharing your knowledge
Awesome stuff. I just had a similar issue on my 2013 FR-S and the tech showed me these graphs. VVT-I was my problem because the metal plate that was controlling valve came out and was swimming in the phasors.
Mr.Thompson your vidios have so much content i'm amazed you are the king thank you
Nice deep diagnosis, with smart tool, escope elite 👌
Thats so bad ass, i could've used that auto stop feature today instead of sprinting across the shop to hit stop recording on the scope when the car i was working on acted up.
nice one thompson. i need to learn his skills with the scope.
Oo ... and that was an amazing diagnosis !! Thank you Mr Thompson.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge. I've been looking for more o-scope diagnosis and how you can use it.
Awesome job behind the camera. Great job camera man.
I know this is a little old, but I had this exact issue with a FA20DIT engine, bought from salvage yard, had P0016, after a lot of head scratching I ran the engine for about 100 miles on a clean oil change, then ran Subarus engine oil flush through it, one more oils change and the issue was completely fixed. I am able to watch the cam positions on my access port and I can see that the right intake stays right with the left intake now. I think the salvage yard engines sit around too long and the oils break/coat the journals, the flush turned my new oil completely black. I am going to do one more flush at 1,000 miles just to make sure.
Thanks Bernie, true porn for mechanics!
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man made error. great troubleshooting
why would you put phasers from a trashed engine into the replacement engine???!
Those Subaru engines have learned values for the phasers that can not relearn the new positions after a repair is made. The only fix is to replace the ecm. For examples if you had a chain that stretched the ecm would learn the values or if the chain jumped a tooth it would to but when you make the repair the ecm never reverts back and there is no options to learn the positions.
Would this cause a no start? I recently built an engine for my 2014 frs and used the 14 heads with 2013 camshafts/phasers and it seems to only want to run for 2 seconds. Cylinder 3 and 4 seem to not be firing since the headers are cold at the ports
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Great!! Like always.
Awesome
How do you seal up the wiring after using those piercing probes?
Wow sr. Your diagnostic sre amazing, thak you for your time
I am getting p000a camshaft slow to respond. Wondering why it wouldn't also give me correlation codes if that is the case?
i apologize for my english. why did you decide that it was the phase shifter that was hanging and not the control valve?
Any update on the car after you told them to put back the cam phasers? We had the same issue same model year. Changed 2 intake cam phaser, reflashed the computer with updated software program med. still set the code. Code set while decelerating too.
I have a Subaru BRZ 2013 with intermittent starting problems everything lights up when you hit the button but it won’t start you sit there long enough and it will I change the starter thinking that was the problem and it came back the negative terminal was cracked and I replaced the terminal but I’m still having the problem any ideas everything lights up on the dash but it just doesn’t crank over
Hi, I got 2013 FRS same at you are looking to fix, my problem is 3 times we replaced the flex-plate. the first time i wend to the dealer and the car back whit the same problem and worse. later i call a friend he is mechanic but the same problem flex-plate break i dont know what is the problem and cause. I need your help if you know. Thank you or maybe sombody know the issue . tahnk you in adbance.
Thanks a lot
I have this same problem p0016, the code is set when decelerating. I didn’t do all this diag but I’ve replaced the VVT solenoid and the cam sprocket for bank 1 but that didn’t fix the problem. Any idea what should I do next ?
Read some of the other comments. Seems like a common problem with a tsb as well as some mention of “learned values” not clearing after replacement parts.
I have one question, at 13:05, did you have the wires from the escope connected to the sensors inside the engine bay while driving on the road or did you connect the all the wires to the ecu directly?
Scope wires are connected to the sensors in the engine bay... the scope wires are long enough, so that they reach inside the car through an open window.
@@EXOVCDS Ok, but is that not dangerous for the the heat and fans for the wires while driving and doing a road test? You could connect the wires to the ecu inside the car if there was one for better protection, right as a second option?
@@RAVETOR I don't know where the ecu is on that car... connect wherever it is easier. I also connect to the sensors in the engine bay and run the wires inside the car through a window. It's not a problem as long as you make sure that the wires don't touch any moving parts. If the ecu is in the engine bay, you still have to run the wires to the inside of the car.
@@EXOVCDS "If the ecu is in the engine bay, you still have to run the wires to the inside of the car." That what I meant if you could do that - I have the ecu inside the car - seems even better for me then.
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great vid. 1honest mistake - at~20:29 u said scope showed cams being out 26 degrees when the scope showed 36. that was enuf to trip a code
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That camera work was shockingly bad, great content though
Bernie you on something? Seem out of it...
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@@John-wz3iu Maybe you are right. I am thinking the way I am looking the videos, to learn more technical things ,that's why I was wondering, there are CZcamsrs, talking let's say it in a nice way, not much technical, and have incredible subscribers, and this guy, says things, that you can't hear or learn from everyone else ....
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@@John-wz3iu Thats exactly rights. Bernie is way ahead of most technicians plus many techs don't use Escope & don't wanna watch his videos, maybe they're afraid to accept that this scope does more than the pico and other scopes.