She Hasn't Been 16 in Quite Some Time - Law & Order
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From Season 13, Episode 2 "Shangri-La" - When a female English teacher is found stabbed to death, Briscoe and Green uncover a love triangle involving a scorned teenager and her lover.
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The, Female Lawyer Is From #OneLifeToLive From ( 1989 ) #Christen
They made an episod in SVU about her too
This is based on the case of Treva Throneberry, who spent the nineties posing as an abused homeless teenager and being taken in by compassionate families. She kept getting found out because she was constantly accusing various grown men of abusing her, even when it wasn't possible because of alibis or witnesses. Every time she got found out, she'd disappear and pop up somewhere else in the country, doing the same thing. Eventually, she got sent to prison.
sherbaum1985 mmm, mmm, mmm the things people will stoop to doing.
True it worked for a time and in theory but seriously, how long did Artur and Fiona really think the system wouldn’t catch on to them!?
Whatever else she may have lied about, it's very likely grown men *did* try to abuse her, because teenage girls get a lot of unwanted attention from older men. Young women are less likely to report it...older women aren't as afraid of the backlash. And witnesses/alibis with sexual abuse cases tend to be pretty flimsy. "She was seen by witnesses an hour earlier flirting with the defendant." "Oh, then he couldn't have possibly raped her, because she clearly wanted it..." 🙄
@@rustinstardust2094 Throneberry and her sister were sexually abused by an uncle and they were removed from their home and placed in foster care. However, when Throneberry began her grifting after she aged out of the system and went through a stint in a mental hospital, she accused nearly every single foster father she lived with of abusing her, but could never provide any evidence. No evidence of sexual activity, no bruises, and she constantly accused them all of being Satanists who were trying to kill her. She was really mentally ill, and consequently, her stories were flimsy. They were so unbelievable she was even prosecuted for filing false police reports several times. Each time, she'd vanish and pop up somewhere else, and start the same thing over again.
@@Mmmavisible Yeah the satanism isn't so believable. But think about it: what kind of "evidence" does sexual abuse leave - especially if the perpetrator wears a condom/cleans up & the victim doesn't bruise easily?
Rustin Stardust I am all for helping people who have been sexually abused. Men and women. But there is a stipulation. Those people should only be helped if there is credibility to their story. For someone to accuse every single man she’s ever come in contact with? I’m sorry, that’s not likely. An abuse story coming from a woman who needed a good sob story to make people feel obligated to help her and give her money is not a story anyone should be eager to believe. Belief in a person’s claims should come down to whether the person is honest to begin with. It’s clear that she was not that.
I love it when the person who is so smug realises they are caught.
It's satisfying to watch, especially when they unknowingly let themselves into a trap.
In the words of Johnny Tran: Too Soon Junior
That's what you get when you monologue.. good grief. Girl should have just remained mum or simply stated... "Is she still my attorney? If not, I want my attorney and we'll see you in court.". But it would NOT have been Law and Order good!
My favourite is when the prosecution falls flat in their face, especially when they are blindsided in court
And yet remains so completely smug.
“That’s right I forgot you’re insane” 😂 jacks always been a straight savage
Facts, Jack is a legend
Jack was always my favorite of the male lawyers on the series. Abby Carmichael for the females...
@@Deborahtunes I hated Carmichael, she had a holier than thou attitude, and refused to admit when she was wrong. Also she was very obviously biased on many issues (even when I agreed with her biases, I hated how she let them make her try to ben the law for her own beliefs, instead of for doing what's right)
@@Night_Owlette_30 ~ Well I guess you and I will have to agree to disagree...
@@Night_Owlette_30she multiply copped to being wrong. You just got your buttons pushed by a fictional character.
The defense lawyer went from "I didn't know anything about this" to having a prepared defense for her in seconds. In front of the judge who just warned her.
Those were my thoughts too. It seems awfully odd to me...
The defense is separate from the new info. Even before finding out she wasn’t a juvenile it’d make sense to plead insanity.
The lawyer’s just rolling new info into the defense. “See, my client’s so insane she doesn’t even know who she is!”
it's their job, come on.
LordSavaunt but what would she had drawn up the paper work if there was no way she couldn’t win. And up until that moment that was the case
I see your point but I took it as covering her bases. If she won the double jeopardy argument she was done completely. If not this was her next logical step.
At the end the look on her face when she realised her luck had run out was priceless.
I agree that was so priceless she NEARLY got away with crime ALMOST! whoa her days is over.
AGREEEEE 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿🤣🤣🤣
who is the lady besides the guy? his attorney or her previous foster parents?
@@chesiriatattia1781 her foster parents.
"That's right, I forgot, you're insane"
I knew someone would quote that line XD
😂😂😂
This show is full of icons but McCoy? 😆 he's quick with the one-liners 😭
@@daviewaviee6079 Don't forget Briscoe.
Fred Armisan does a pretty solid Sam Waterson impression, he needs to try this line reading lol
I love how the lawyer didn't know she wasn't someone else, yet showed up with a motion for insanity.
It depends on wHEN she knew. It was finished case. She might have been informed only when summoned due to Mccoy's motion, and confirming with her client. So she was prepared for that scenario, with no wrongdoing from her part.
Yeah basically she didn't know when she represented her in juvenile court but was informed before the meeting.
The reason why she came with a motion for insanity was because of her client's supposed story that she had been abused, and thus the abuse had changed her mental status.
@@claireboyle7151 tbh that motion would have fallen flat anyway.
This defence (the claim she is unaware of who she is) doesn't make her incapable of the crime, it makes her incapable of standing trail.
Thus she would be given a mandatory mental health detention for as long as it takes for her to be deemed to have capacity to stand trial. Then she would be tried for the crime. At which point expert mental health witnesses (consultants at the facility she is detained in) could testify as to her ability to commit said crimes. Guilty she is sentenced as normal, not guilty she is released, not guilty due to mental defect she can look forward to spending the rest of her life in mental institutions as she is clearly a danger to the public.
A mental health defence is generally the stupidest thing you can push for as unlike prison sentences, mental health detentions have no maximum term, and you don't get to keep all your human rights (you can be forcefully medicated, restrained, etc). The moment your deemed no longer a threat, your liable to be tried for criminal offenses and then get prison terms which the mental health detainment don't count towards.
UGH you don't GET it... doing RESEARCH on your own stupid clients is just so BOOOORING...
That face Fiona made when the foster mom spoke in the end... Priceless 👍
Busted!
Her dumbass finally realized that she’s going to prison; where they’ll treat her like the child she wants to be
Yeah she knew that was checkmate.
Gave her the gut punch
Ahhhhhh the famous fairy tale , Goldilocks and the Big Bad Wolf, truly a classic
Glad I wasn’t the only one who caught that, I thought I was just missing something
Ah.okay. missed the reference to that part.
@@mariaibarra5883
I thought Jack or Arthur called her Little Orphan Annie, but I'm stunned at what I remember *& Don't* from this episode.
I just sprayed my water up my nose 🤣🤣🤣
Gotta love malaphors
Moral of the story: Never mess with a caring foster mom’s heart.
she cares for truth and righteousness
If they were using the "the Big Bad Wolf" metaphor to describe him to the jury, wouldn't she be "Little Red Riding Hood"? Rather than Goldilocks? Little Red Riding Hood met the Wolf. Goldilocks met the Three Bears. And actually, in that story, GOLDILOCKS was considered more the antagonist than the bears. She ate their porridge, broke the chair and slept in their beds.
I think they deliberately did that because she used multiple identities, hence the “protagonist” replacement, and she’s just as much of a villain as the person arrested, assuming she wasn’t the one that got arrested and I haven’t watched the full episode?
Im pretty sure the director just fell asleep
Goldilocks was as worse as the Big Bad Wolf but people saw her as a little girl that was hungry and wanted somewhere to sleep but not actually someone that broke into the house and destroyed property having get any punishment for it so all they going so see fiona as not but a innocent girl and the guy being scaring and a killer
Picky,picky
Wasn't that a good metaphor though? "The big bad wolf" never did anything wrong to Goldilocks, but people would see him as the bad guy anyway
The actress playing Fiona is absolutely phenomenal! She just conveys emotions so well and she telegraphs it just by how she holds her body and it's insanely intriguing
Fun fact. She is also the girl who played in RichieRich with Macaulay Culkin.
@@feihong005 Awesome! Thank you!! I have to check that out again now
It's ashame her last acting gig was in 2002
I was thinking the same. Wonderful acting.
@@user-pt1cz4ot1e :: One of the best episodes.
“Teachers are trained to look for guns and drugs, but not whether kids are actually kids.”
“And what teenager doesn’t look out of place?”
"Well hello fellow kids"
Yeah, what dogshit dialogue hahaha remember, this is tv where 36 year olds regularly play high school seniors
@@Philostipher Truth be told, one of my classmates in high school had a full beard going and looked ten years older than he actually was.
I've seen people in their late 20s who can pass for 16
@@fenriraldrek1022 for sure. Theyre def. out there. Hell I was in high school with a senior who was still a freshman. Always wondered what they did when he failed again ha
So Fiona thought that her acting like an abused and abandoned teen angel would overcome witnesses, documents that PROVE that she's really an adult con lady and video footage that proves that she was in the school the night her teacher was killed even though she's defending herself in court without a lawyer? She truly was over the top arrogant to believe that she could get off but her arrogance was shattered when her foster mother said that she'd testify against her which pleased me.
She was abused...but messed up in the head...
Ive had people accuse me of being the bad guy even in cases where I can provide proof just because the person Im accusing is a woman.
Hell I got bitched out a couple weeks ago because I called Amy Schumer a joke thief on a video that showed her thievery step by step. Apparently im misogynistic because I said a bad thing about a woman, nevermind that it was true. People have this "woman are angels" coding in them that they cant turn off sometimes.
@@Kreepinsgirl That makes sense then plus she was likely a psycho ego maniac who believed herself to be able to talk her way out of any situation no matter what evidence is arrayed against her. She thought that if she said "I didn't do it" enough times and put on a sob story, the jury would believe she was innocent and let her off.
@@Kreepinsgirl That's an assumption with no fact nor even a modicum of supporting evidence behind it. It's just as pathetic as that woman truly was!
@@Kreepinsgirl now I’m wondering if she was even abused. I have to go back and watch the whole episode carefully.
3:07 “26 years old and still in high school? This girl must have some kinda weird painting hanging in her closet.”
Fred Thompson has some amazing lines.
Is that line a reference to Dorian Gray?
@@cassia-andor6445 Possibly. Fred had a way with his lines on this show. Thinking of his short moment as the admiral on the aircraft carrier in The Hunt For Red October; he had a few lines that seemed out of place, but he would improv stuff if I remember correctly.
Edit: This episode aired 10/09/02 and the movie Dorian Gray was released in 2009. “The Picture of Dorian Gray” the novel written by Oscar Wilde, which the movie was based on, was released in 1890.
Here are the wiki links if anyone is interested:
Novel: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Picture_of_Dorian_Gray
Movie: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorian_Gray_(2009_film)
@@cassia-andor6445 Oh yeah, DEFINITELY! LOL
@@cassia-andor6445 yes
Gotta love that Dorian Gray
"What about me, Fiona?" Oh, snap!
Love it!
@Babycakes Delarosa Her foster mom.
When she said that I was like “Check... mate”😌😉😏
Man, she thought her foster mom would stay silent cuz she figured she finally got to have a daughter so she had her in the palm of her hand. She was so smug up until then.
Yup....whoops.
Look at that glowing skin, y'all! Whatever skin routine she uses, just so she can avoid suspicious signs of aging, that detail by either the writers or the actor was brilliant.
Definitely asian products.
Stay out of the sun, like the DErry Girls.
Vitamin C serum and sunscreen probably
I have a friend who was like 2 years behind me in high school. When she posts pics of her and her kids, she looks like the cool older sis to her early 20's kids. A guy at the gym told her that when she was older, she would understand the importance of some exercise; he thought she was 30 something (she's gonna be 50 in a year or so).
Genetics and taking care of yourself can do some awesome stuff.
You know an actress is good when they make you want to slap the character
I dunno, I feel like jennifer lawrence achieves that a lot and she's not a very good actress. :)
edit: spelling
6:13 Attorney: _Well, there goes my case..._
Pretty much
The defendant: you’re good.
Defense counsel: Fiona?
Me: I think you mean Lorelei.
7:30 What about me Fiona?
That was checkmate, the look in her eyes, the genuine fear as the sociopath finally realizes they've lost. The egotistical King beatin by the humble Pawn. She willingly walked into that trap because of her own hubris, now shes just like an animal in a cage just waiting to die. Something to remember never mess with a pissed off Mother or the easily underestimated. They are the ones who always get you in the end.
When your plan starts to go perfectly, it means something is already ruining it.
Watch her eyes, and then everyone elses. Not just the look, but they don't look like they have irises at all. Just black, like shark eyes, save the pin light reflection. All the rest, you can at least see a hint of color.
It's called acting. That's what they are paid for.
Very well said.
Just reminding you this is a fictional television show, not a documentary. They're all acting.
Stephi Lineburg was amazing as Fiona. The way she flipped that switch when she said "You're good." Priceless!
McCoy sure knows to play the game. He rocks. Best lawyer ever
@Dirk Diggler What About Matlock
So was Ben.
Better call Saul
Perry Mason: "Am I a joke to you?"
Great "TV" lawyer....
One classic trait of a sociopath is that they think they're smarter than everyone else, and that they can dupe and manipulate anyone they want because they're so "smart". But when they finally face the consequences of their actions they clam up.
Narcissist personality also fits that bill
Look at the President
She wasn’t smart, she was very full of herself because of her charisma
"She can't knowingly let you lie on the stand."
That's rather funny considering how many times it's happened on this show.
Plausible deniability. Which you lose when your client confesses in front of you & the DA.
Law & Order - what a classic!
You know what I learned from this series? That in the criminal justice system the people are represented by two separate, yet equally important groups: the police who investigate crime, and the district attorneys, who prosecute the offenders.
And these are their stories.
@@sistergoodstuff Dun dun!
Underrated
lol
These are their stories.
I just love the way she turns to McCoy and says, 'You're good.' It reminds me a little of Primal Fear when Ed Norton's supposedly schizophrenic altar boy is finally revealed to be a killer in full control, and Richard Gere says 'You are good. You are really, really good.'
This episode was on 5 USA a couple of days ago.
Always amused me how odd that film played that character. I'd rather go to prison than a mental health facility. Prison has a maximum sentence, mental health facilities don't. Mental health facilities also come with forced medication, restraint, and depending on the point in history, medical experimentation and mutilation.
Claiming to be the same man in one is interesting too, as you've been proven in court to be anything but, by the time anyone thinks to double check, your going to be on so many anti-psychotic meds that you may aswell be psychotic.
I always wondered why, going to a mental facility was always portrayed as an much easier alternative,compared to prison.Especially in TV cime drama. Then again, they don't have certain problems, like getting stabbed in the showers, or protection rackets, like a prison does, in an mental hospital.@@cgi2002
So she's a pathalogical liar. also kind of like Esther from The Orphan.
Actress would have made a good Carrie White
that's what i thought
She looks like a young Sissy Spacek
I think SVU did a story like this too? I may be wrong.
Yes Season 8 episode 21, Pretend
I remember that episode, it was a crazy one.
Yeah yeah but has anyone noticed that her skin is literally GLOWING? Give me her skin routine
"Ohhhh i forgot your insane'... i love Jack
This, of all the L&O episodes in its 21+ year history, is the one that stands out the most to me. I watch it every chance I can, everyone was perfect in their roles.
"What about me Fiona?" - Skewers Fiona's bike wheel between the spokes with that stick.
One of the best episodes.
I loved it when the lawyer realized that she had been fooled by the con artist, and the DA was right all along.
'Oh yeh that's right I forgot you were insane' 😂
That's a great line
that defense attorney is crooked af, the judge should have caught that the second she pulled out the insanity plea without missing a beat
Nah, she actually believed her. Watch the end scene bruh.
If they were there arguing about voiding the trial and retrying the case then she was notified of the new evidence. So she made the motion incase the judge agreed to void the original case.
There's nothing crooked there. McCoy had obviously warned her he was going to have the sentence voided and retry her as an adult, otherwise she wouldn't have been there at all to meet with the judge. She had gotten instructions from her client before the meeting, who told her lawyer that she had no idea what McCoy was talking about and doubled down on truly believing she was 16 years old. The lawyer as a result drafted a motion regarding an insanity defence, based on her client's position. Her client did not, up until the end of last scene, ever admit she was lying about anything.
McCoy’s a rockstar.
Not so cocky now are we Fiona, didn’t think your foster mother would testify against ya after you just omitted the truth.
*admitted
@@lauren9004 No Lauren... Drogo19 is still right. She did omit the truth and only admitted the truth after being exposed.
@@xyPERSON Oh sorry! Sorry Drogo19!
lauren mshiu no problem
She got caught up with the bad guy monologue
The so called innocent victim turns to out to be a sociopath.
Yeah there is another sick one like this where the older girl eggs her bf to tape her young sister whom she has drugged asleep. They literally video taped it and it's so obv that not only was the older sister not the victim but truly the ringleader.
The direction is phenomenal on this show.
Starting at about 5:32, Mccoy tarts talking about how the girl was scared about Florida issuing an arrest warrant, and the girl slowly turns her attention to him, basically proving that he's right. She had been completely mute until then.
every single defense lawyer on Law and Order are the worst. who just sits there and lets their clients confess.
That was a plea agreement meeting
What lawyer would let this happen in open court Alex
All they can do is advise their client not to speak. What the client does after that is on them.
This will forever be one of my favorite episodes on L & O. I honestly didn't expect this ending!
It's definitely in my top 20
The actress playing Fiona, was in a previous episode 8 years earlier. She was a little girl that was kidnapped from her foster home by another woman.
i was looking for this comment😭i knew i recognised her from somewhere
Or was she pretending to be a kidnapped 8 year old???
so many come back years later...many have done more than two
Oh oh, perfect line for this, "i would have gotten away with it if it was for you meddling adults!!!!""""
One of my favorite episodes. I love how the foster mother wiped that smug look off her face.
They did a very similar story to this in either the 11th or 12th season of SVU. It also had such a satisfying ending, where heaps of guys were coming forward by the end of it, making it seem like she was going forward for a very long time.
Season 8 in the end I think? Where the friend of her boyfriend killed him for her?
Season 8 episode 21, Pretend
That girl looked young and had a voice like fingernails on the chalkboard
She’s playing in the big leagues now.
She probably never thought she would come up against a "Jack Mccoy," who isn't impressed by her "youth"...
Deborah 78. That is true, but that’s how they know where their limit is. Have a good day.From what I understand you have to be impartial.
@@Zak6959 ~ Yes, they have to be impartial. But they also have to go by the laws. Her lawyer couldn't put her on the stand, knowing her client would be lying...
They did this same plot on the Law & Order: SVU s8 ep 21 "Pretend" only her motives were far less devious.
Some of my favorite L&O scenes are when Jack McCoy is settling this whole thing out of court by laying down some hard facts in his office like above
I thought the actress looked thirty and was surprised she was playing the role of a 16-year old.
The same is true of horror movies and other "teen" dramas...the so called high schoolers are usually playes by adults in their early to mid 20s but some are as old as 30...its always so jarring.
@@vianjelos We all learned this when the Karate Kid turned out to be like 25 years old...
She was actually 20.
@@EGRJ Oh wow. That's a hard 20.
Teenagers are almost never portrayed by actual teenagers. College characters are usually closer to 30 than to 20. Later on it reverses; actors in their 50's often play characters in their 30's & 40's. I don't know if it's exactly "rare" to play a role your own age.....but it doesn't seem exactly common either.
When exactly did Goldilocks ever encounter the Big Bad Wolf. The story she was actually in she could be considered an antagonist
Right?! I guess they got The Red Riding Hood and Goldilocks mixed up.
Nicholas Winchcombe I know, kind of foreshadowing the twist.
I think thatwas kind of the point, they weren't mixing it up, they were pointing out that she would be viewed at as slightly antagonistic but ultimately they would take her side because the Big bad wolf would still be viewed as a monster.
"Little Orphan Annie vs Lizzie Borden".
www.imdb.com/title/tt0629418/characters/nm0737533
Goldilocks: An antagonist who plays victim/ an antagonist who (somehow) didn't know better since she was a child.
This show was by far the best ever...the stories ripped from headlines
4:30 "Pleading not guilty by reason of mental defect.." Then her lawyer DID know.
No, she was hedging her bets having that
I'd say it's just a lawyer thinking on her feet, but she had the paperwork ready to go...
She only knew because Mr. McCoy told her, it’s called disclosure. Simply put prosecuting counsel doesn’t have the right to surprises, they have to notify defense counsel so that defense counsel has enough time to prepare some kind of defense or argument. What the judge was getting at is did the lawyer know the first time around, that is to say did the lawyer know that her client was really in her 20s when she pled out in Family Court. This lawyer had a recurring role on the series, she was very principled and ethical. It’s highly doubtful that she would’ve stood by and risked her career for a20 something that was about to be sentenced in juvenile hall instead of being charged as an adult. She wouldn’t do that because she be putting the other juveniles at risk by putting a ground woman into their population, and also a good lawyer is smart enough to know that depending on the sentence someone in juvenile hall is going to figure it out. Be it only their first visit at the infirmary they’re going to figure out that this person is not in their teens. Any good lawyer knows that they’re committing career suicide by letting that go through.
I do love it when the smug gets wiped right off her face
I could binge-watch EVERY version of L&O nonstop. I love the original so much!
It's nice to see Peacock pushing Law And Order, but I wished that they would have seasons 1-12 in addition to seasons 13-20 that's on the channel.
As many episodes of L&O (whichever series) as I've seen, and this is STILL one of my very favorite episodes! So many twists and turns, such great reactions from so many different characters, it's just magic.
I never noticed Arthur's reference to the Painting of Dorian Grey until now.
Looked for this before commenting about it. :)
I watched this decades ago when I was a kid. I still think about it cause it was so creepy.
Good job Law and Order!
Girl is a great actress.
Some people think that they're invincible, until they're thrown in jail.
I wish they had just told the story without the long intense pauses to allow the "drama" to intensify. Thank goodness for 2X speed.
I remember seeing the end of this episode YEARS ago. I always wondered about it and then today this gets recommended 😂😁
Man, I really miss the L&O marathons on TNT. Like potato chips, just can't get enough.
My memory of this ep is crazy..I remembered the foster mom, but not a lot else, except that she had been playing this game over & over. I *think* we see her interviewed by Emil Skoda.. Somewhere, (I think in his office or on the stand) she's asked what will happen when she turns 18? She deftly dodges the question by saying that she's focusing on her studies. When pushed, she replies, that she WON'T turn 18, and Emil says she COULD have a Peter Pan-esque syndrome. The audience is really curious until McCoy catches her. That's why I wrote: "This girl: *shudders* ". on the 1st upload. I couldn't remember all of her names, AND bc that teacher was charged for sleeping with a woman in her mid 20s!!
SHE PLAYED THIS ROLE MASTERFULLY. SHE WAS SO CONVINCING. I BELIEVED HER UNTIL THE FACTS CAME OUT. WHEW!!!!!😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱
I hope we get to see McCoy's epic speech from 'Patsy' later on.
Love it when the defense lawyer realises shes been had.
First, she was the little girl in the wall, now the perpetual teenager, but I forget the last episode she was in
A real sociopath. Interesting.
I did nursing in a private psych hospital and the amazing abilities of the off- kilter to switch personnas is , mind boggling. Freud was brilliant. Its like he was an electrician looking at the blueprints of the brain.
Most of Freuds work has been mostly discredited. What numbnuts still thinks anything he said was right. He was also a coke fiend I wouldn't be so quick to praise him.🤦♂️
"What about me Fiona"
And that is checkmate♟️
Do you think the script writer fell asleep at the end, and hastily scribbled '20 seconds of meaningful looks'.
This actress put in a lot of good work on Law and Order... This was either her 2nd or 3rd appearance....
what:s her name? Kudos to her and the stellar acting team
@@efuller3333 Stephi Lineburg
@Dirk Diggler I would think Law and Order would not be your cup of tea... So many of the actors had multiple appearances in different roles because the star of the show was the procedure and the writing.....
Jerry Orbach and S. Epatha Merkeson had guest roles before they landed full time roles....
@Dirk Diggler That is the downside of a procedural show... One of the actors from the first season left because he realized that character development and action were not going to be a major part of the work...
@@briscoejr1 I had no idea about Orbach and Merkerson appearing as guests. My two favorite characters...now I need to hunt down those earlier episodes!
Great acting! I also wish I knew some lawyers who were as honest as these are!
The look on the lawyer's face when Fiona started running her mouth was a face of "How tf am I going to defend this now?"
I think she can still defend it but at that point before her guardian popped in there was no witnesses.
I think she looked like that because she couldn't believe that she got played.
There's a flub here. Initially when Serena is telling Jack about Fiona going to Milford, she says that she and her friend chose a bar "where they knew they wouldn't get carded." Later, when Jack is confronting Fiona about her insanity defense, he says "you were so insane, when you were carded you used your Marguerite Sampson ID, pretty strange considering you said you'd never heard of her."
It's possible he was calling her bluff
The first story was what Serena was told by the male teacher, the second version is whag they got from the bartender or what they deduced
The line is actually:
"Strange, considering you *testified* that you'd never her of her." The testimony was brilliant. Ironically, Idr enough about this episode to remember her diagnosis, but Emil said(?) she could(?) have a form of amnesia. That's why the ep. was called "Shangri-La". She CLAIMED to be 16 & Emil said she COULD legitimately believe she needed to change identities [to stay in ShangriLa], but it was more likely that she was hiding from responsibility.
@@alysiamerdavid-wasser9165 The point was that she knew she wasn't sixteen and she knew she wasn't Fiona.
Not really. The "Where they knew they wouldn't get carded," story is what Fiona told the teacher, who then told Serena. IOW, it's hearsay and the original declarant (See the Wikipedia article on hearsay en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearsay_in_United_States_law) is unreliable, so Fiona *was* carded and just made up the story about a bar where they wouldn't be carded.
I just watch the whole episode I will never get tired of law and order Ps. I think Sam Waterston was the best lawyer in the series
One of my favorite episodes.
Completely awesome show
I had an ex girlfriend who became a high school teacher at age 25 and the kids thought she was a student and tried to pick her up until the realized she wasn’t a student. Even at 30 she looked like she just graduated HS. Especially if she dressed like an 18 year old. Going into bars she was always carded.
Stay out of Milford, CT. We've already got enough crazies there.
You're not lying. I got out, my family is still there lol
This was a great episode
The writing of Law & Order is always top-notch.
"I'm sure Mz. Sheetz had no idea of her client's deception."
"Thanks Jack. By the way, my client's pleading not guilty by mental defect. She has no idea who she really is. Here, I just wrote this motion in my bag right after you absolved me."
he would have had to have informed her of the new information before this meeting with the judge. To have failed to do so would have gotten him in serious trouble. Thus, she was properly prepared to continue defending her client. At this point, she probably actually believes she is mentally ill.
So, this plot was used in an episode of NCIS, only in that case she actually was insane, and had a complete mental breakdown when she was shown her old graduation photos
do you remember what episode??
@@selenegarcia138 S9E2 “Restless”
I love this episode!
One of the best episode
This show a actually shows how they railroad people in the prison
What
Explain?
There is no "railroading" when you're guilty. When you're Guilty, you get what you deserve.
@@Optimum45 no, it's perfectly possible for a guilty person to be convicted in an unethical manner, railroaded.
3:07 I like the Dorian Gray reference.
This is one of my favorite episodes
@@buzzyuncle340 yes!! I’ve probably seen it that many, too! I love this episode so flipping much. And Blood is a great episode! That one definitely surprised me, and the ex-wife is just a horrid woman. Ugh. She’s just awful!!
A great episode!!
She(Fiona) literally looks any CAS you try to create in the Sims 3
Goldilocks was the original Karen.
😂 I’m going to come into your house, eat your food, sleep in your beds and then scream like you’re the problem. She might well be.
Dirk Diggler Karen? You really must learn to take responsibility for your own actions.
Dirk Diggler 😂🤣Funny that, since I am actually British. You really shouldn’t be so sensitive, but we all know racists are driven by fear and insecurity so get it out of your system sweet pea. I’ll be working whilst you’re trolling the comments section. Paying for my house like the 3 pigs who built their own. 😋😂🤣
@Dirk Diggler
Why do you use the "👈" emoji? We can tell that you ended a sentence by the use of punctuation. The fact that you wrote 3 more comments proved you are indeed a troll, so, it would seem #BLM isn't a joke, although the fact that you got 0 upvotes also helps. Didya catch all that or didya need emojis & all caps to read? smh & lol
@Dirk Diggler
Evidently, you haven't, lol.😂 Maybe you should look up the word "ignore". I'm fairly certain that you'll creep back in and reply-you seem to yearn for having "the last word". We'll see how long you can hold out.
Law and order back in the day wow anyway keep up the great work and stay awesome I can't wait to see more ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
It's not written down anywhere, but rule number one of crime: "Don't brag about your crime in front of the cops or DA's prosecuting you." It's kind of adjacent to, "don't say anything to cops", but it's never a bad idea to have a refresher.
I remember this episode. She was convicted. But in taking her to prison, she flirted with guard and played her innocent girl routine.
This was a really good episode.
I love this program iv been watching it for over 10 years. I really like the music at the start. Every time I hear it I just sit there with a big smile on my face and dream of days gone bie.LOL👍🤣🤣
Goldilocks and the Big Bad Wolf. She knows those are from two different fairy tales, right?
Okay...... I know law and order was good but I don't remember it being this good. I need a refresher course
I learned so much about the law with . Law and order.
One of the Best Later episodes
I heard LR say just a few years ago that these 3 wanted to be known as the "Queenston trio", in reference to the 3 man, "Kingston Trio". Pretty funny!!