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its always wise to cover all the bases and its not like it's without a basis, if I recall correctly, in TNG there was an episode where the enterprise is transporting diplomats from two species that hate each other at the same time, with the ending of the episode implying that one member of species a was eaten by species b,
I mean, it’s probably one of those protocols mean for to keep order in desperate situations, like if the ship’s propulsion drives are destroyed & they run out of food
@@AmbroseBoaBowie There's actually not much else to talk about. There's the no eating patients thing and then the rest is just about continuing education credits and tax writeoffs. 😁
I think it makes perfect sense in a way. Before the occupation the Bajorans were peaceful and deeply spiritual people who as whole preferred to be priests, farmers and artists. Afterwards they were changed as a society so more people became soldiers, jaded politicians and highly protective of the freedom and ideals, can you imagine who Shax’s might have been if not for the cardassians? Admittedly he is shown to love being a bad ass security officer (the day he died fighting the Pakleds shows how much he is enjoying himself, he literally shouts “THIS IS THE GREATEST DAY OF MY LIFE” 😂) but his hobbies and off duty time show he can be a patient and sensitive individual who enjoys sculpting. Sorry for the long comment but DS9 is my favourite trek and Shax’s is my favourite lower decks character so I over think things 😅
@@spaceexpireaudio666 that’s a little bit of a myth. It’s a bit hard to explain because although soldiers don’t really want to go to war or risk death they also spend a lot of time training and perfecting their skills. There is also an odd pride to say that you went out and did your job, there is also the recognition people get for having earned a medal for going on operations. I’m not sure if I can explain it properly but a lot of servicemen and women want to prove their worth and people who have will more often than not take great pride in it.
@@june-cz1cwI mean, we also kinda evolved from fish; depends on how much time has passed. The Betazoids could have simply retained some sort of fishy smell from their early days.
@@EditDeath It's also important to mention that Caitians are a evolutionary offshoot of the Kzinti...a much more agressive species that absolutely WILL eat other sentiants if they can get away with it. (Larry Niven, creater of the Kzinti, did a lot of writing for the original series back in the day. I believe this series even has one joining starfleet.) The Kzinti, much like the Pakled, ironically, are another example of why it's very, very dangerous to give a race advanced tech they aren't culturally ready for.
@@june-cz1cw Some caitians look more humanoid than others, depending upon how far along the evolutionary track that species is, when first contact occurs.
Trying to send calming energy and then scruffing, and T'Ana furiously clawing at the arm that's scruffing her... Yeah, someone in the crew has handled a feral cat.
Feral? Most *housecats* will try to rip your face off if you try to give them a pill or they don't like being picked up. My cat Shadow would claw the bejeezus out of me if I brought her inside before she wanted. She was 15. (75-ish in cat years)
@@kyuvenThe Betazoids mentioned their emotions were also out of control while on the bridge, which probably was why they tried to fly the Cerritos to Betazed by going through the Romulan Neutral Zone of all places.
It's just an opinion, but silliness done right is essential to any fictional universe. Problem is, most assume you just throw a total buffoon in and make them annoying, which then is supposed to make said character a punchline. Here, we get something that makes for a good personality quirk that proves surprisingly relevant.
Furthermore, I like when they build on the joke so it's not JUST a cat joke. Like how Doctors make the worst patients. Add that on to Cats hating the vet, and you've got a grand old time.
It is something to take note because while they have been getting closer i think it's a sign they are moving steadily forward that he called her honey even if it's just to draw her attention
@@sonicguyver7445 It's not crazy. It's just how the Tamarian language works. Everything they say is a metaphor based on their history or legends. Back in TNG, this caused communications problems as their speech was translated literally by the universal translator instead of conveying the actual meaning. By the time of Lower Decks, this issue has been mostly resolved, but some metaphors slip through. In this case, Karno was probably someone who had a notable moment of insanity or confusion. Incidentally, Karno is also referenced in the phrase "Karno in the forest with Mira," which refers to overeating or weight gain. Boimler accidentally insulted Kayshon when he tried using this phrase as a show of good faith.
@@davidguthary8147I think it's been implied that Kayshon had to learn federation language in the traditional way because universal translators still can't translate Tamarian.
I just remembered that episode from The Next Generation when the crew got infected with a mutating virus (used to cure Barclay of one disease only to trigger a mutation in everybody), and Deanna Troi devolved into a species of FISH!!! Betazoids evolved from fish!
@@Shinzon23 This is the closest a main series has gotten to exploring the whole Caitians/Kzinti thing. Given they have a Kzinti on the shpi too, I am really hoping they spent a bit of time on it. Kzinti are the nightmare that Klingons cosplay.
"She took an oath not to consume patients" Wait was that _specifically_ part of her Hypocratic Oath? Like they genuinely thought that needed to have her swear that specifically
Considering all the crazy stuff that can happen to you in Star Trek, I bet you that's a standard part of the oath. Eating crew members was already a thing back when the worst you could be stranded in was an ocean.
I kinda like how they slowly walked Shax’s personality back from season one. It wasn’t just a sudden change but a result of events throughout the series.
I’m getting serious Finding Nemo vibes where Bruce the Great White Shark gets a whiff of Dory’s blood, and pretty much behaved EXACTLY like Dr T’ana did here! (Fell back to their primal instincts and tried to go after prey)
Well, the Catians kept their females sentient for one. Bad move by the Kzin because it bottlenecked their entire culture into a race of pretty average to low intelligence might makes right space jocks. Unarmed humans beat their fully armed ships with their drive flames and communication microwave emitters at first contact.
@MisterMarin I just remembered the episode where they de-evolved. Deana went fish, and you are right. Spot should have turned into a large primal cat and hunted her down.
@@ericwilliams1659well, all humanoids are related to each other because of a precursor species going around messing with genes. Also dinosaurs made it off Earth and ended up in the Delta Quadrant. So probably other species are related to Earth cats too.
I'm not really a Star Trek fan, but all the clips I've seen of this show make it seem rather interesting. This specific show, not Star Trek as a whole. I don't have anything against Star Trek, I just grew up as a major Star Wars fan and found that Star Trek just doesn't do it for me.
Used to be the same way. As I got older I came to respect and even like Trek. To the point I consider it a "second home". But I'll always prefer to be behind the stick of a T65.
@@Brasswatchman i have no idea what your talking about 😂 this is like this first comment ive written so is that some kind of lame come back or something
T'Lynn suffered a temporary case of Bendii Syndrome, making everyone else on the ship act crazy (except Boimler and the security team, because they were far away from her).
@@spencerkoelle184 no, I just don’t think it fits into cannon. I don’t mind the show existing, the moment you tell me this is in the same universe as Voyager, TNG, and Deep Space Nine, that’s when it’s going too far.
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I love the implication that Starfleet's medical oath has to explicitly ban eating patients
its always wise to cover all the bases
and its not like it's without a basis, if I recall correctly, in TNG there was an episode where the enterprise is transporting diplomats from two species that hate each other at the same time, with the ending of the episode implying that one member of species a was eaten by species b,
I mean, it’s probably one of those protocols mean for to keep order in desperate situations, like if the ship’s propulsion drives are destroyed & they run out of food
Maybe that oath is specific to Caitians. Which... raises a lot more questions, come to think of it.
Makes you wonder what else the oath says
@@AmbroseBoaBowie There's actually not much else to talk about. There's the no eating patients thing and then the rest is just about continuing education credits and tax writeoffs. 😁
I love that in their relationship, the big, scarred former member of the Bajoran Resistance is the calm voice of reason.
I think it makes perfect sense in a way. Before the occupation the Bajorans were peaceful and deeply spiritual people who as whole preferred to be priests, farmers and artists. Afterwards they were changed as a society so more people became soldiers, jaded politicians and highly protective of the freedom and ideals, can you imagine who Shax’s might have been if not for the cardassians? Admittedly he is shown to love being a bad ass security officer (the day he died fighting the Pakleds shows how much he is enjoying himself, he literally shouts “THIS IS THE GREATEST DAY OF MY LIFE” 😂) but his hobbies and off duty time show he can be a patient and sensitive individual who enjoys sculpting.
Sorry for the long comment but DS9 is my favourite trek and Shax’s is my favourite lower decks character so I over think things 😅
@@SlideIXwell _I_ enjoyed reading your overthinking of Bajoran culture 😂
No one appreciates peace more than a soldier...or a former member of resistance🙃
so he is married or dating a pussycat
sorry if it sounds like a double meaning but she is a what we call a house cat.
@@spaceexpireaudio666 that’s a little bit of a myth. It’s a bit hard to explain because although soldiers don’t really want to go to war or risk death they also spend a lot of time training and perfecting their skills. There is also an odd pride to say that you went out and did your job, there is also the recognition people get for having earned a medal for going on operations. I’m not sure if I can explain it properly but a lot of servicemen and women want to prove their worth and people who have will more often than not take great pride in it.
Apparently the “eating Batazoids” stuff was an extremely deep cut.
TNG episode Genesis says that Betazoids evolved from fish.
T’ana is a cat.
Well shouldn't they look more like fish then
@@june-cz1cwI mean, we also kinda evolved from fish; depends on how much time has passed. The Betazoids could have simply retained some sort of fishy smell from their early days.
Wasn't that the one that had Barclay deevolve into a spider?
@@EditDeath It's also important to mention that Caitians are a evolutionary offshoot of the Kzinti...a much more agressive species that absolutely WILL eat other sentiants if they can get away with it. (Larry Niven, creater of the Kzinti, did a lot of writing for the original series back in the day. I believe this series even has one joining starfleet.) The Kzinti, much like the Pakled, ironically, are another example of why it's very, very dangerous to give a race advanced tech they aren't culturally ready for.
@@june-cz1cw Some caitians look more humanoid than others, depending upon how far along the evolutionary track that species is, when first contact occurs.
The fact Shax was able to catch T'ana mid air and just hold her there with no effort. This man is an absolute unit.
And had no reation to her biting his fist (also if it wasn't for her shoes Shax would have underwent a impromptu liver removal)
I have a feeling this isn't the first time this has happened.
I have a cat and i can't stop him when he is pissed off. I would phase the heck out of her from the deck.
and that he was basically grabbing her by the scruff
@@blackgriffinxx No-selling the clawing and biting is the best way to make a point.
Dr. T'ana is one of my fave characters. Shes a literal crazy cat person.
She's one of my favorite characters too; she's my favorite bridge crew members.
I mean..... cats also technically evolved from fish
She's the "doctor jerk" type, like Dr. Greg House
Trying to send calming energy and then scruffing, and T'Ana furiously clawing at the arm that's scruffing her... Yeah, someone in the crew has handled a feral cat.
Feral? Most *housecats* will try to rip your face off if you try to give them a pill or they don't like being picked up.
My cat Shadow would claw the bejeezus out of me if I brought her inside before she wanted. She was 15. (75-ish in cat years)
Oh, he's handled her in more ways than one.
Put some of my cats near a bath and you'll have a (cute) Tasmanian Devil whirlwind of murder mittens & fangs!
Just have a disagreement with a cat and you'll either have a melee fight or one of you'll run for their life
Yeah he has.😂
i love that t'ana got just enough focus to cut the others arms loose before going wild
Funny how every one of them except Boimler immediately stopped flagging the doctor as soon as they saw it was her. Great discipline.
Wow Dr. T'ana has gone really crazy in this episode.
I mean, she kinda was always crazy. Just shows it as depression, while on screen
Everyone went crazy, except the Betazoids and Security team. Was kind of a theme.
@@kyuvenThe Betazoids mentioned their emotions were also out of control while on the bridge, which probably was why they tried to fly the Cerritos to Betazed by going through the Romulan Neutral Zone of all places.
I mean, she IS orange
@@yeenmachine206 Not "orange", "tabby". Lol
I know it’s silly but i absolutely love moments when Dr T'ana acts like a cat.
I know. My real cat acts very much like that on occasion
It's just an opinion, but silliness done right is essential to any fictional universe.
Problem is, most assume you just throw a total buffoon in and make them annoying, which then is supposed to make said character a punchline.
Here, we get something that makes for a good personality quirk that proves surprisingly relevant.
Furthermore, I like when they build on the joke so it's not JUST a cat joke. Like how Doctors make the worst patients. Add that on to Cats hating the vet, and you've got a grand old time.
Interesting take away here for me is Shax calling her honey, they just never seemed like pet name people
well, she is a cat
It is something to take note because while they have been getting closer i think it's a sign they are moving steadily forward that he called her honey even if it's just to draw her attention
Oh they’re together?
@@redrasegarden it's been a growing thing though some signs being more background then obvious
@@KenshiImmortalWolf got it
The fact that he didn’t hurt her in anyway shows how deep their love is for each other.
"Mama's eating good tonight!!!"
I love T'ana's feral cat animation when Shax has her on his arm. Brilliant touch.
Did anyone catch that?
"Carna, when his mind was fogged?"
When?
@@leander28431:08
I knew he said something crazy but couldn't hear it over T'ana's cat noises. Glad you put it down. 👍
@@sonicguyver7445 It's not crazy. It's just how the Tamarian language works. Everything they say is a metaphor based on their history or legends. Back in TNG, this caused communications problems as their speech was translated literally by the universal translator instead of conveying the actual meaning. By the time of Lower Decks, this issue has been mostly resolved, but some metaphors slip through. In this case, Karno was probably someone who had a notable moment of insanity or confusion.
Incidentally, Karno is also referenced in the phrase "Karno in the forest with Mira," which refers to overeating or weight gain. Boimler accidentally insulted Kayshon when he tried using this phrase as a show of good faith.
@@davidguthary8147I think it's been implied that Kayshon had to learn federation language in the traditional way because universal translators still can't translate Tamarian.
I just remembered that episode from The Next Generation when the crew got infected with a mutating virus (used to cure Barclay of one disease only to trigger a mutation in everybody), and Deanna Troi devolved into a species of FISH!!! Betazoids evolved from fish!
so did we bro!
also, that reminds me of that one voyager episode. you know the one.
@@oberonpanopticon I thought we all agreed never to talk about that one episode.
@@wittylibrarian If we did that we wouldn’t talk about half of voyager (or really Star Trek in general)
But she is half human so should have devolved into a SeaMonkey. 😊
"Look, we were still early on in our cultutal separation from the Kzinti. Eating our enemies was still a thing."
Is that still a thing with their back lore? I know it was in Star Trek online.
@@Shinzon23 This is the closest a main series has gotten to exploring the whole Caitians/Kzinti thing. Given they have a Kzinti on the shpi too, I am really hoping they spent a bit of time on it.
Kzinti are the nightmare that Klingons cosplay.
It seems implied that normal humans don't have the desire to eat their enemies.
Weird.
"A Oath not to consume any patients."
Well, kinda. Unless the Caitian version is very explicitly modified.
0:44 "We gotta stop her. She took an oath not to consume her patients! " 😂
"She took an oath not to consume patients"
Wait was that _specifically_ part of her Hypocratic Oath?
Like they genuinely thought that needed to have her swear that specifically
Given how close she's coming to consuming patients in this episode. Yes it seems they had reason to have her swear that specifically.
She evidently evolved from a predatory species. It's her DNA. She still has claws and fangs. Sooo, yep.
Probably an extra they put in like the "Oath of Celibacy" for the Deltans
If T'ana ate a patient, that would become a hypocritical oath.
Considering all the crazy stuff that can happen to you in Star Trek, I bet you that's a standard part of the oath. Eating crew members was already a thing back when the worst you could be stranded in was an ocean.
Doctor T'ana is one crazy cat. 😂
He knows. He holds her by her scruff to disable her.
I kinda like how they slowly walked Shax’s personality back from season one. It wasn’t just a sudden change but a result of events throughout the series.
Time to Shred Those Party Girls Into Brisket will be the name of my next punk band.
I’m getting serious Finding Nemo vibes where Bruce the Great White Shark gets a whiff of Dory’s blood, and pretty much behaved EXACTLY like Dr T’ana did here! (Fell back to their primal instincts and tried to go after prey)
Betazoids are friends not food
@@charmmydarling5872
They are friendly food.
INTERVENTION!!!
M'Ress: "Humans look like Betazoids, but do they taste like Betazoids?"
Don't make me be scared of my waifu, lol
@@yeenmachine206 look, if you fall for furries you have to deal with vore sometimes
I don't know why having Betazoid Party Aunts works so well, but it does...
At least she takes the time to partially untie Mariner and T'Lyn
The modern hippocratic oath includes "I will not eat, slime or burn with acid my patients..."
Imagine them back in the holodeck as Bonnie and Clyde and betazoid pheromones in the air.
1:06 T'ana is acting like my cat when its time to go to the vet
The good doctor is a proper murderfloof. My Sammy agrees.
Makes you wonder to what extent the Caitians have diverge from the Kzinti, if their shared ancestry is canon.
Well, the Catians kept their females sentient for one.
Bad move by the Kzin because it bottlenecked their entire culture into a race of pretty average to low intelligence might makes right space jocks.
Unarmed humans beat their fully armed ships with their drive flames and communication microwave emitters at first contact.
Mama’s eating good tonight!!
Respect Captain, not enough discussion of the importance of prophylactic use in Starfleet. No one needs another Ensign Kim
That lick at 0:30. Gets me every time😆
Just saw that she was mouthing Shaxx's hand😂
So, the question is whether the Starfleet Medical Oath includes not consuming their patients OR is it T'Ana and other Catians?
Is anyone surprised that birdy's exercises generate resentment?
The cat nip
I find it concerning that she needed to take an oath to not consume patients
Cats used to hunt & eat Betazoids? Makes me wonder how Spot never tried to nibble on Deana and / or Lwaxana. 😛
Not cats. The Caitians. They are not related to earth cats from my understanding.
@@ericwilliams1659I know, but the thought of Spot stalking Deanna makes me grin like an idiot. 😀
@MisterMarin I just remembered the episode where they de-evolved. Deana went fish, and you are right. Spot should have turned into a large primal cat and hunted her down.
@@ericwilliams1659well, all humanoids are related to each other because of a precursor species going around messing with genes. Also dinosaurs made it off Earth and ended up in the Delta Quadrant. So probably other species are related to Earth cats too.
Data trained Spot to be better than that
That’s what happens when your medical director is a cat
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0:15 Extremely fucked up Lore , thank you for this , Lower Decks
How many cannibals are in your family tree? Including prehistory...
I love how she's just a house cat
Ahem. She's a "SHIP" cat
You can take the furry out of the vore but you can't take the vore out of the furry
Grr
@@AmaroqStarwind Hungry?
Shaxs is a good boyfriend lol
I love Dr. T'ana when she go cat omg the actress has to have fun when the gloves come off .
Doc T'ana is my spirit animal.
T’ana is my kinda cat lady 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
God she is perfect
1:08- her expression... lol
Omg! Squanchy!
Dr. T'ana is my favorite
Nobody has a squirt gun??
Or a damn laser pointer!
set phasers to super soaker
Catnip... yarn... something!
@@nightfurmoonfang3391 I'd have settled for a cucumber!
I'm not really a Star Trek fan, but all the clips I've seen of this show make it seem rather interesting. This specific show, not Star Trek as a whole. I don't have anything against Star Trek, I just grew up as a major Star Wars fan and found that Star Trek just doesn't do it for me.
Used to be the same way. As I got older I came to respect and even like Trek. To the point I consider it a "second home". But I'll always prefer to be behind the stick of a T65.
I miss Brad and Cooch
i gotta keep reminding myself that this isn't a parody of star trek. and that this is actually using canon lore.
This seems like more of a kzinti thing, and they do have a kzinti crew member.
Funny
Ow yeah i kinda forgot this show existed
Then why have I seen you commenting on practically every clip of it?
@@Brasswatchman i have no idea what your talking about 😂 this is like this first comment ive written so is that some kind of lame come back or something
boimler needs to work on his cardio.
😆😆😆😆😆
Shax is so hot
:( I want Kitty to eat fancy girls and blood. Where's the fun if there's no killing?
It’s hunting season
I’m having betazoids tonight!
1:08 What did he say?
"What has gotten to her?"
Can someone explain to me why she went feral??
T'Lynn suffered a temporary case of Bendii Syndrome, making everyone else on the ship act crazy (except Boimler and the security team, because they were far away from her).
Apparently, those party girls are fish people. T'ana is a cat.
Every time I give this show a chance I just can’t take it seriously as a cannon Star Trek show
It's not supposed to be serious
You're no fun :P
@@spencerkoelle184 no, I just don’t think it fits into cannon. I don’t mind the show existing, the moment you tell me this is in the same universe as Voyager, TNG, and Deep Space Nine, that’s when it’s going too far.