How to Build Around Grenzo, Dungeon Warden
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- čas přidán 23. 07. 2024
- Grenzo is perhaps one of the most underrated commanders in the game, and it's been like that for a while now. Here are some ways you should build around him.
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Definitely think you should try doing full-on deck-tech videos. I feel like you've made some already but I don't recall.
Working on a Kenrith Zirda deck and trying to run a Grenzo subtheme in it. Really helpful!
I’ve had a Krenko deck for years but I’ve been wanting to branch it out into different colors, I always assumed Grenzo cost more cause of the X pip. I wish there was a Mardu legendary goblin cause white has lots of rewards for playing small creatures. I think there’s technically some hobgoblins with white pips, they aren’t any good but they exist.
I’d rather have a good Jund goblin commander, since there are some great gruul goblins
Body Launderer is one of my favorite recent cards. It's basically the black Karmic Guide
he was my first ever commander deck
So Grenzo is currently one of my main-ish deck. At present I run it with 54 creatures (including Grenzo), 11 artifacts and 35 lands.
In my build, you want a lot of lands or ramp in your opening hand and don't be afraid to mulligan down to four or five cards (remember that mulliganing can actually get a lot of expensive mana costing cards out of your hand and on the bottom of your library so you can cast them for two or less with Grenzo. Grenzo optimally comes out with 4 power. Yes, I know that optimally you want to play him for cheaper, but I've loaded my deck with creatures power 4 and lower (only one, Syr Konrad the grim, at present is power 5).
The deck's theme is D&Dish the other players are wandering through Grnezo's Dungeon encountering all of the wandering monsters. It's full of goblins, constructs, spell-casters, vampires, zombies, and knaves of all sorts. It has a little bit of scrying and a little bit of library bottom manipulation, but I ended up cutting most of the ones listed in the video. If it doesn't come on a creature I tend to cut it. It has a lot of different lands (the various rooms of our dungeon) including Field of the Dead. All the deck wants to do is activate Grenzo as many times as possible, and put things into play that have useful "enter the battlefield" abilities. Unless they have a really significant ability I tend to cut them if they have to tap to do things. Last game I played I repeatedly activated Grenzo in response to another player's boardwipe and accidentally killed my three opponents. I had Heartstone and Ashnod's Altar in play and drew into Myr Battlesphere, Marionette Master, Pitiless Plunderer, and a bunch of other creatures many of which that came with creature tokens that I sacrificed to the altar that ended up netting more mana/treasures than I had started with and damage from Marionette Master began to snowball. Then I flipped Syr Konrad and my opponents said "Good game."
Now about half the time I was just milling lands and artifacts and that's okay--it built up the tension--and the deck does come with some artifact recursion. The deck is kind of built to combo but not in a way that can be foreseen.
I revision my Grenzo x=3 deck - which was more combo centric - to have now 60 creatures, instead of 44 or so. I can absolutely confirm that i found my self using grenzos ability very often anyways, either i had no cards in hand or they where too expensive to cast. that lead to major disappointment because i was whiffing more than every other time. Its now more token centric, but i think i want to double down on that route.
i still want to keep grenzo at x=3, so i can play and activate him earlier, but the power is relatively limited in building. how does x=4 go with you, especially after a removal or two?
No Doomsday feels like a waste when it usually just wins on the spot. Mana Echoes would also put in work imo, even with no matching creatures it always at least makes the 1 mana (unless it and all creatures with matching types die before ability resolves or something)
@@baconsir1159 'No Doomsday' was a personal choice for variety's sake. And I don't run any enchantments in the deck to cut down on the number of dead draws off the bottom of the library, the place where most of my cards come from. As mentioned, in its current form, the deck's composition is something like 54-ish creatures (many with useful ETBs like edict effects, mana generation, graveyard artifact recursion, or token generation), 35 lands, and 11 non-creature artifacts (most of which can be summed up as: mana rocks, Grenzo protection equipment, and sacrificial altars). For every 2 mana I spend on Grenzo (assuming I don't have anything in play that makes his ability cost 1 mana), I have a slightly-better than 50% chance of drawing a creature card to put into play which is a discount as many of those creatures are ordinarily 4 mana or more. Sometimes I'll even hold up mana and pass on using Grenzo's ability until the end step before my turn for pseudo-haste. It's random, often-surprising and kinda fun even for my opponents who never know exactly what will come off the bottom of my library--I don't even run a whole lot of bottom-of-the-deck manipulation, meaning I am often as surprised as anyone at the table by what I draw into.
@@B__C__ I'd definitely take mana echoes over a mana rock personally. Functionally similar, but makes _significantly_ more mana on average.
Grenzo was one of my first commanders, I really like him, I usually run a goblin theme, but Grenzo doesn't do much for the tribe other than being a goblin himself. I should rebuild that deck.
Cauldron of Eternity is amazing.
Thanks
Brass Herald is super fun too and only in 68 decks in edhrec
grenzo has always been on my list of "i want to build, but this newer toy just came out!" i was so close to building him, then boom; NEera
You have gotta put heartstone and goblin engineer in the deck and mana echoes just wins you the game especially if you're playing tribal.
A good deck but to be honest I was hoping for something more than just aristocrats.
Tbf, Rakdos is almost always about aristocrat strats