The reason my Ferrari 308 was the cheapest in the UK
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- čas přidán 29. 08. 2024
- I bought the InfluEnzo unseen at online auction, it was a gamble that had appeared to have paid off. Was making some progress in getting my Ferrari 308 back to health when a disaster happened.
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308 side view is stunning
Yes. The classic going fast standing still look. 😍
That's what I thought too. It looks fantastic!
I was at a car show last summer with all sorts of Aventador's and 488's and all the owners were gathered round a 308. They are still stunning. Slow now of course but absolutely stunning.
purists look away... the looks are indeed sublime, as was 246..I would love an affordable, easy build GRP replica / conversion of a crossover between 308 GTS and 228 GTO - a more subtle and smaller 288 with everyday worry free mechanicals and c 300bhp/ton --or simply a 308GTS replica (with wider footwell!) - needs to be in expensive / accessible :) - I was lucky enough to see a stunning one off replica at Stoneleigh a few yrs back with RV8 ..absolutely amazing..unfortunately the driving position remained compromised - using wheel arch extensions as in 288 would help with avoiding footwell wheelwell ingress
An affordable 308GTS clone with a TVR engine for hassle free motoring....mmm
I think your whistling noise could be the carb venturies when they are fully open
"It tried to burn my face off." Just your average day of classic Ferarri ownership then.
Pretty much!
I love these videos. "Ooooops, I'll have to fix that." This is exactly my DIY car repair experience.
I remember the first time I removed a rear shock and ran in the house to show the wife. I was jubilant in my victory but she was like, "get that dirty thing out of my house!".
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Hi, I have a 1976 308 GTB and have had a similar noises at certain revs. Drove me mad but on mine it was a hairline crack in the exhaust heat shield on the rear bank of cylinders. Then I got another crack in the heat shield under the boot floor (deeper noise) and finally a high pitched tingling/whistling noise (like yours) that was the front heat shield protecting the alternator. Spent ages sorting crack/splits etc in heat shields and finally they've given up and gone away. We isolated each one by taking each heatshield off and seeing if it stopped the noise. Reving it in a workshop just didn't replicate it. Stick with it as 308s are the most underated Ferraris and when you've got it sorted you'll love it. I've had mine for 21 years now and have experienced just about everything that a car can throw at its owner. They are very fickle but very, very strong.
It waited till you switched off then static boiled.... clinging on whilst the water circulates, but can’t contain the pressure once it stops 🥵
He’s exactly that!
Same whistle sound on my 308 that I kept for 3 years without problems. Mine was also a single exhaust. Leave it like this mate. It's pre-bling Ferrari. For me, the best part of this engine was to open the right window and hear the carbs sucking air through the right fender intake ! A very special sound that I loved and only on that model.
Thanks buddy and good to hear you had the same noise!!
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"It has been a successful morning in the Influenzo.
It hasn't blown up!"
Golden :D
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Fantastic progress on the 308, well done Jack. Running issues that £££ with 'specialists' hadn't resolved for years, you've got to the bottom off in weeks :-) Getting going, its a great journey
Thanks Sean! Enjoy your weekend!
Mmmmm, as someone who has been playing with cars all his life - including professionally for a number of years - I have a suggestion: relax. When the car boils over or a coolant hose pops or the alternator bearing seizes and the car throws a belt, don't flip out. If you don't learn to take things in stride, you're going to have to become an adrenaline junkie to enjoy the 308 (alternatively you could just become a regular junkie and hook yourself on valium...) :-p
Remain calm. At least until you hear a loud bang at 6000rpm followed by clanging and large volumes of gray smoke and bits of piston and rod billowing behind the car. Then flip. That would be justified.
BTW, the Influenzo was not trying to burn your face-off. It was a joke. It wanted to see you bang your head on the underside of the bonnet. It boiled over because the horns aren't in the engine compartment on the 308, so it likely would have not scared you if it had only beeped the horn.
Thanks for the advice.. I am a worrier by nature though!!
I had a similar squeak in my Porsche 993 in similar conditions to yours which puzzled me and quite a few professionals. It went away after I removed and reseated the intake manifold, so believe it was a loose hose clamp at the intake side. Worth re-seating everything on the intake side before replacing anymore parts. All the best with it.
Thanks and good advice. Will do when I rebuild the carbs this a winter!
I’ve heard that same sound on other 308s. I even asked about it at the time and never got a satisfactory answer. I just thought it was something unique to carbed 308s.
Hello sir. Love your videos. My father has a 1980 308 GTSi. It's common with the factory exhaust to whistle at higher RPM's or at wide open throttle. Keep up the good work.
Thank you buddy, have a great weekend!!
@@Number27 Thank you do the same.
sounds like a vacuum leak to me, that would only happen under load not on gradual acceleration, or perhaps a vacuum regulator after distributor makes maximum advance so that too much vacuum doesn't damage the diaphragm
Agreed. Sounds exactly like when the vacuum advance diaphragm on my distributor got a leak. That would also explain while it's only on full throttle
p_r_i_m_e does the 308 have a full throttle position sensor and system? Then I’d trouble shoot that. Vac advance would be possible as stated...etc... my suggestion always is you have to get the car in spec and all maintenance caught up to really sort out a car. I.e. of it needs a top end refresh..you’d probably fix most issues when you change out hoses, vac lines, clean or replace fuel lines, adjust timing, etc...otherwise you’re chasing your tail. Coolant flush via overheating is one way of doing regular maintenance...;)
Not to sure about your thoughts on air leak on full chat. You’ll get lower manifold pressure on closed throttle high rpm over run conditions.
Best bet is to get it to your nearest rolling road once lock down is lifted.
But great content. And an interesting noise. Cover the basics first. Think simple.
My first thought was air leak, although always hard to diagnose over video!
Agreed also - the noise only seems to be under load, so I don't think it's just related to engine speed like an alternator bearing would be. Also, those pipes perish, and the car is from 1981 by the reg. plate
Brilliant video and one lucky escape. The joys of motoring ‘as my father use to tell me’. The sound could be belts to tight, the alternator can also make a whistling noise, both when new and when there getting tired. It could also be a vacuum hose leak, maybe a split hose, for the most part that wouldn’t make a noticeable difference to performance. Good luck and look forward to the next video
Thank you Ross! Enjoy the weekend buddy!
No probs, I too have classic cars and motorcycles, my daily is a 1978 Mk1 Cavalier that was a bad model L, but now has the Carlton GSI 3.0 24v straight 6, Manta 400 getrag gearbox and back axle. Using a classic every day is far far better than a modern car and the smiles per miles......you can’t put a price on that
*10:45* *Turbo Whistle*
Nice one getting the Enzo going chief 👍
Thanks chap!
Way better than anything Hoovies and more twists and turns than a South American Soap Opera. Look forward to more episodes!
Run it without the alternator belt - could be the alternator bearing.
Good call
No, doubt it, alternator bearings don't sound like that, and it still wouldn't make much sense why it's only at full throttle. You can usually hear it at very low RPMs if it's going out.
That first 4 minutes.....the side profile of a 308 is just perfection.....absolute perfection...!!!! 😍😍😍
Does look really great there!!
The Flugeot
My dad always said don’t worry too much about a noise or a rattle until it stops! It’s a beautiful car. My 928 S4 is also coming along nicely. Hi from South Africa!
Thanks Deon and good advice!
That noise is coming from the optional factory turbo hidden in the glovebox.
Does sound a lot like a turbo!!
I always new i wasn't sufficiently mechanically minded, bikes ok, cars not so much....but watching this is fascinating. Kudos for sharing so much with us...good luck with everything.
Thanks buddy!!
That whistle is well known to classic car owners - it's called paranoia. :)
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Yes, along with knocks, dings, rattles and whooshes and bangs, well said, we know the score! : /
Love the videos. Had 3 205 so. First one 1.6 gti. 2nd one 1.9 gti. 3rd one 1.9 gti with a Dimma kit. Amazing looking for the time. Must check the belts on them! 120 mph on M62 cam belt went! !! AA guy said he was picking up my engine for the last few miles. Keep up the good work. Never had a Farrarri but great fun with TVR. Living in Tenerife now with daughter and Mrs so it is time for a mid life crisis. Keep up the great vids x Steve
Thanks a lot Steve and enjoy Tenerife!!
Liking your collection of Tamiya 80's RC cars :0)
Hi Jack - loving your Influenza videos - very informative and very entertaining too. I have a possible explanation for your squeaking noise as a similar thing happened on my Porsche 997.1 C4S. It sounded like a slipping belt and only happened under load at high revs. I changed belts & idler pulleys, the water pump and even the pulley on the alternator - none of which cured the problem. The guys that do my servicing eventually tracked it down to a cracked exhaust bracket that was resonating/rubbing together at high load/high revs. £20 spent on some tack welds cured it and it’s never done it since! Maybe a simple one to check if only to rule it out? All the best. Mike
The noise might be reason why they also changed his belts a year ago
Thanks for the advice chap!!
I had a 205 GTi 1.9. It always started 1st time. About 20% of the time.
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Dirty contact on starter, common issue. The most unreliable part on the 205gti is the German part. Bosch fuel injection system, air flow meter. Many of us owners gave binned that and gone for wasted spark set up.
If your having cold start issues, it will be the SAD on the back of the distributor SAD = supplementry air device, usually the rubber tube perishes and fucks it up, I used to set the throttle up by hand after working on them for years as a kid. 650rpm with air screw closed then open up to get 950rpm. It will run like a dream and no stalling out.
I chased a similar noise - not on a Ferrari- for the longest time. It was only audible above a certain rpm. In the end I chased it down to a bearing in the alternator. I dont no whether its possible to run your Ferrari briefly without the alternator running, if you could it would either eliminate or pinpoint the noise if it is coming from the alternator.
The 308 is one of the prettiest cars ever made. Good luck with yours.
Its hard to tell on the video but to me it really sounds like air pressure of some sort... Possibly a vacuum or maybe even a slight exhaust manifold blow....
I had a 75 308 GT4 for over 20 years. Did all the maintenance myself. Very reliable car, as good as any other 15-35 year old. after 18 years, the fuel consumption got worse. Worn float needles. I chucked them up in my drill press and dressed them with a stone, worked great.
Set the float levels a bit higher than specified (1/4"?)- eliminated the fluffy throttle in curves (this had disappeared when the needles started leaking).
Most important: I bought one of those carb ballancers to set the butterflies, but found a 5/16" ID length of vinyl tubing stuck in the ear was more accurate. Been trying to sell the ballancer ever since.
Thanks Richard, I will try with the tube too!
Those weber sneezes can be pretty dramatic. I had a backfire that imploded my muffler a few weeks ago.
Great progress and success...so far it looks to be a good buy... fingers crossed!!!
Name for the lovely GTI. “Pug Mug”
Beautiful in blue. Will be brilliant to drive 👍
Not bad, but I'd go with Lester Peugeot or Sacré Bleu. Great little cars.
Congrats on your successes ! Glad you didn't steam your face off ! You shift from the left side quite well !!! Best wishes from the states !!!!
Thanks Roger... have driven in Italy a lot so left hand drive not an issue for me!!
Watch Harrys Garage with this Ferrari. The same sound from intake colector. I think its ok ;)
Have seen it before! Did not remember hearing that noise though...?
I had mine for three years and it made the same noise.
I had no issues relating to the noise.
Stumbled across your channel the way one does on Y-Tube, and promptly subscribed. It is refreshing to see an enthusiast that can both work on their car, and knows and appreciates the history behind the marque. Must be my age, but I get exhausted by all the channels that are just young guys doing stupid things with "Lambos" :-)
Thanks Timothy, very nice to hear you’re enjoying this!! Have a great weekend!
I am in love with your 205 already
Name suggestion? I might call it Murray in your honour!
@@Number27 The blue pill? That would make the 308 the red pill... and you can chose every day which one you take ;)
Car looking superb, sounding great too!
She’s throwing all sorts at you to keep us hooked on your videos - keep them coming.
I was relieved you were wearing at least wearing something (your pj bottoms) on your lower half as you re-appeared from behind the car! 😂
The radiator does have a valve on top corner that’s good practice to bleed after a spirited run. I was always amazed at how much air would come out sometimes.
Yes I’ve used it already! Thanks!
Any Ferrari issues reach out to ratarossa
He knows, they are already hooked up.
I was thinking about that bearing the Ratarosa changed on his 308
I reach out to Rata quite a lot with very limited replies.. #js
Another great video. Looking forward to seeing how you get on with the 205GTi. Best fun car I’ve ever owned was a 105 1.5 diesel! You could easily get going sideways at 30mph. Loved it!
alternator.
noise changes with temp and load depending on demand and state of battery charge.
Interesting.. I will check it out
Alternator on my Porsche whistles!
@@Number27 As someone who does not work on cars but computers, I'd also say that sounds very much like electronics coil whine. Hence an alternator sounds like a plausible explanation. The electromagnetic sound induction is often amplified by resonances, so it is typical that it becomes audible only under some specific conditions.
Not sure if you got an answer on the whistle but my brother had a 1977 (fibreglass bodied) carbed 308 and it made exactly the same sound. I am pretty sure it was induction whistle. I love the sound of these engines. I have been listening with my stereo turned up! The injected cars didn't make the same sound.
Great videos. Really enjoyable.
Thank you buddy! Whistle was a broken silencer.. now sorted!
Tyrrell's Classic Workshop maybe (has a YT channel also)
I've driven a 308 and owned a 328 and they both did that whistling sound which according to my mechanic (a Ferrari specialist) is actually normal.
Feature, not fault 😂
How about Benson ? That was the official name of the Peugeot tiger. Great content thanks.
Interesting! Never knew that. It’s a lion, by the way
Thanks David!!!
What a great video! (1) I totally agree that modern cars just aren't as much fun to drive slowly. I've noticed this more in German cars. I think they have made the car so capable at high speeds that this stability ruins them under the conditions that we normally use them. (2) extreme highs and lows in emotions. It sounds like you own an Italian car. Passion one way or another. (3) I LOVE to hear that car running. What a wonderful, raw sound. And the click-click from the notchy shift lever, it's great. In watching you drive, I almost feel the car myself. It looks like such a wonderful experience. (4) The whistling noise is related to throttle position, which makes me think it' may be a normal noise from airflow through a carburetor or potentially there's a small vacuum leak that only opens when under high vacuum. Or more likely there's a hose that collapses under high vacuum, causing a whistle when air is pulled through it.
Thanks for the kind words and for the advice!!
High velocity air going thru the carb venturies
Great video again chief! No idea what sound will be but enjoying your journey with the car that you love. Great stuff, have a great day👍
Thanks Kevin! Have a great weekend!
205 should be Pepe le Pew, call it Pepe on good days, and Pew on the others.
@Wake Forest Awards Pepe le Pew did not survive the Me Too movement. He bunks with Cosby now.
Bummer about poor Pepe.
Watching and enjoying your videos and what a great car the 308 is ! Not keen on the name you chose for it though deserves better !
I think its hilarious you are still in your Jim jams lol
FixDriveRideFly hahah yeah. And we saw some flesh at the end of the video 😂😂😂
Style! ..... is not my strong point!
Well, he is now Magnum PJ! :)
Loving the suggestions from posters..... So far the noise is coming from every moving part in your vehicle!
I know!! Wheel bearings not mentioned yet though... 🙃
But all useful suggestions to check out!
@@Number27 I think its the wheel bearings! :D
I was thinking bearings as well maybe a tensioner or alternator?
i quote wikipidia"The engine speed is limited only by the amount of fuel/air mixture that is available in the manifold. ... If the engine is operating under heavy load at wide throttle openings (such as accelerating from a stop or pulling the car up a hill) then engine speed is limited by the load and minimal vacuum will be created." when you lift off the throttle a vacuum is created and the ensuing difference in pressure through the venturi is whats probably making that sound
Thanks for the update, thats some project you have there ! Only happens at higher revs...could well be the alternator on its way out ?
New car...what about PUGWASH ? 😂
Thanks Robert! Enjoy the weekend!!
I'm loving the InfluEnzo Jack, keep the videos coming buddy 👍
Thank Ryan, keep safe buddy!
alternator bearings.....
Personally I'd take the rad to a specialist to get tested and the starter and alty to a specialist to get checked over and then if all the pipes are good I'd be happy
You did really well with your car, the detail that's in place on your car is amazing. You should fix it properly and you will be able to sell it for much more
Could it be water pump bearings as you’ve just noticed it after it boiled over?
Glad it's running well....I had a similar noise on my 1981 Trans Am with a Chevy 350 many years ago. I think it was something to do with a vacuum line on it that wasn't blocked off properly. Used to only do it in the same fashion yours does.
Thanks for the advice, I’ll check it out!
My advice, which stems from many years of experience with temperamental souls, is as follows....
As she will never behave if you continue to call her that name that I shall not mention. She deserves a name more fitting. After all none of this is her fault. You are her caretaker and technician, not her protagonist. Oh and this time round, be sure to christen her with a females name. Once you have that sorted, don't forget to greet her with politely hello ___ and goodbye _____.
If your looking at the exhaust, I'd also look at getting the headers ceramic coated too. Your whistle could also be the start of a blow in the exhaust/header.
The “please go” should be a good name for your new car 😉
cheftush errrr 🧐
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Yes old boy racer trick regarding the fins on the alternator, bend a few out a bit, and a presto you get a turbo effect whistle. When you spin it up too a certain rpm.
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Calm face? You looked as though you were in shock - understandably so.
🤣🤣🤣 I really was. I could not believe it!!
Running better all the time. Carb balancing is always fun! The whistling sounds like an air leak. Maybe vacuum or a leaking intake or exhaust gasket possibly? Glad to see you still have a face. Yikes!!!
You’re doing this on purpose right? I mean, the more it brakes down, the higher your viewing rates 😜🤣
I wish I was!! The boiling over does provide some entertained force you grits at least!
@@Number27 next time just put a pot with boiling pasta below the engine to make up the smoke ;)
Great job!! The carb sync came out great. I absolutely love that car.
Aachoo-geot 205 GTI
Jack. Your confidence, optimism and knowledge is great. Keep up the good work. 👍
Cheers Mike!
"Pugani 205" for the 205?
Good one!
I had a couple of 205 GTI 1.9s back in the day, one after the next. Bat out of hell. Followed by a 5GT Turbo, so a total late 80s/ early 90s dream fest for a young lad. Decades later I need a 911 to give me similar thrills down a bend road.
How did the 5 Turbo compare to the 205?
Missed this. The 5GT Turbo felt more planted and faster because of that puffer. The 205 GTI 1.9was light as a feather in every way, and soddin’ fast cross country. Basically, take yer pick. Happy days. Ooh, and the 1.9 was a bit over throttled, so a mere touch on the accelerator caused the Pug to storm forward like a stabbed rat.
why didnt you explain what you were doin when "balancing" the carbs...afterall aint that the point of this channel?
its simple he was making sure that they all weigh the same !!
There’s a fine line between exposing and boring.. not sure everyone would be interested..
Before you run a 308 bleed the radiator every time. Cap off and slacken the screw at the top of the radiator until you see liquid. This is the same on all 308s that are accelerated hard as the water pump atomizes the water. There is a mod for this done by Barkaways of Kent. I have raced my 308 for 13 years with great reliability.
Absolutely loving these videos, your face is a picture full of fun and joy, bless you, thanks for the entertainment, so engaging 👏🏁😀
Great content. Keep on being positive!!! You will get there
The despair you feel is when your wallet goes in to panic mode.
One possibility for the whistling sound at 4,000 RPM under full throttle only could be a worn bushing around the carb butterfly shaft, allowing external air to enter thus causing a whistle. Wiggle each butterfly shaft by hand to see if there is any play. If that is the cause, fixing it will improve the air/fuel ratio as well.
Thanks buddy, will check but they all seem pretty solid!
God you really are a lucky man who just keeps dodging the bullet every time
What is lucky about your car breaking down almost every day?
Indeed been mostly lucky so far... thanks for watching Garry!
@@patrickahearne8770 not lucky it keeps breaking no one wants that for him lucky he has avoided expensive problems & it's worked out fine for him
I believe the idle jets are until 4k rpm then the main jets kick in.
Umm.. I think the Main next kick in lower in rev range than that..
Sounds like the alternator belt slipping to me. Love your vids and how you get stuck in. Having run a Ferrari for 11 years, funny noises happen and can be bit of a worry. The good times are worth it though.
Thanks Richard! Really glad you’re enjoying the videos!!
If it makes you feel better, it only boiled over because the engine had stopped. True enough, it would have eventually done it with the engine running, but it's the fact that it stopped pumping coolant that caused it to tip over the edge. Obviously it was still too hot, but I don't think you were quite as close to needing surgery as it seemed! It also suggests the coolant is circulating well, as it was the circulation alone that was keeping it from boiling up.
Yep agree with all that! Thanks for watching!
The boiling over will probably be the rad fan sensor not working. Then the pressure builds up blowing from the rad cap. Maybe add an adjustable sensor so you set when the fans kick in. If it can fit your car. You didn't run it long enough to damage it
If you flip the rear badge on the GTi it will be an easy mod to a 6.1 litre engine! If you had purchased a 1.6 GTi it would have been a really easy upgrade path to a 9.1 litre engine! Keep up the good work!
That whistling noise is a common noise in a 328 too. I thought it was odd when I first heard it, but apparently it’s quite normal.
Interesting.. I’ll ask around!
Could be vacuum leak. But since it's on full throttle... It would be vacuum created by ported vacuum. So if the car has ported vacuum. Check any thing on the car connected by ported vacuum. Not manifold vacuum.
Could be a very slight exhaust leak from a leaking exhaust manifold gasket, exhaust manifold or a small hole in the muffler or welds.
As for the noise, I don't think it's a bearing, because it's pretty unlikely for a bearing noise to be load-dependant. It almost certainly has to be induction-related. Have you tried taking various hoses and bellows off one by one, and then trying it (I'm guessing not, as we're not allowed out! But when we are, that's what I'd be doing).
Thanks for the advice mate!
Keep up the videos. I always click on your 308 videos as soon as I see them.
Thank Jim, much appreciate the kind words!
Back in the early 90s when I was a Ferrari club member I used to receive the newsletter and this was really preinternet time 1990 1991. Many 308 owners were happy with Borla exhaust.
Ferrari 308 with optional sauna, very rare. Lucky find there.
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I'm in the alternator bearings group as well Jack, shouldn't be too hard a fix (ignoring access issues!). The car sounds great and good luck with it. The GTI has TRP in the number plate and I'm tempted to say tripe but can't, it's a superb car and I'm looking forward to the videos on it!
Thanks Matthew!! Can’t wait to get hold of the Pug
You're so great. You know that pretty little influneza is going to break your heart even thought you a brilliant mechanic. When will we see you finally making that ectric car conversion??? Just add a recording of you favorite Farrari and blare it outside while your driving around.
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the very best of luck with the 205 gti. Hopefully you'll have it for many years to come. The 205 GTI is the car that got me into cars (if that makes sense). I remember seeing them on Irish roads throughout the 90's. They were insanely popular and stunning looking (from a time when car manufacturers seemed to take the time and effort to actually design beautiful cars ....................) The 205 GTI are practically extinct in Ireland now. Insanely rare. Real shame, dunno what happened to them. Time passes i guess.
Cheers Colm and a big hug to Ireland!!
My 308 GTS made exactly the same whistling noise it's very distinctive as you say. My car was same year, same single exhaust outlet. I think it's a case of "they all do that". Another reason not to worry!
Wow if correct then that is great news!! Thanks for watching!!
You where lucky with the boil over, but I am delighted it all worked out well as it would have been a tragic, keep the good work going, 👍👍
Thanks Brendan!!!
Check the fins on the alternator, ive had one in the past that whistles due to a fin or 2 being slightly out of line, once you spin it to a certain speed they catch the air, other then that a bearing maybe in the water pump.
I think the white shorts brought better luck than the pajama pants..... Glad you sorted out the cooling issue.
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