Just like “Persona 3”, I think “Suikoden V” got overlooked by releasing on the PS2 instead of the PS3, which was starving for JRPG’s the first 2-3 years of its life. It’s sad because “Suikoden V” is my favorite of the Suikoden series!
I absolutely agree with this. It's really sad the series has apparently died. I'd kill to see a number 6. Heck, even a graphical remastering of the first and second games could be amazing--with voice acting, etc. It could introduce, literally, a whole generation to a classic.
What makes me even more sad. Konami planned a RPG project for PS3 which I assume was Suikoden. Instead of waiting for Suikoden 6 that got cancelled they could have made Suikoden 5 for PS3 like you said.
Suikoden V would have needed a major overhaul to be on the ps3. Not just the bad load times, but traveling in general. Persona 3 didnt do as well because it was generally in a pretty niche category. On top of that, atlus likes to not produce a ton of copies of the game. Only reason I heard about it was because of the invoker controversy.
I bought this game on a whim. I was skipping school when I was like 18 years young (now 35). Used to hang out at a record store who also sold games, and I picked that game up. Best purchase I've done. Didn't have internet back then, so got the store clerk to print out like 20 pages of how to recruit the stars for me XD
Same as me, I wanted to try a Suikoden game and went to a second hand store. The guy said to me this game was great, bought it like for 30€ in mint condition. Cheers to that random guy
This game is the reason why I'm excited about the rumor that the PS5 might be fully backwards compatible. My PS2 finally died a couple years ago and I have had an urge to play Suikoden 5 ever since (I was in the middle of a playthrough when it died).
Backwards to PS4 at most I assume... If it was truly backwards compatible all the way to Playstation 1 and also getting rid of the NTSC / PAL Issue, that would be super amazing.
@@RadiantTwilight regionfree is a bit mmuch to ask whenthe rest would be a thing. I would LIKE to have that removed so I can get some imports as a european, but I wont count on that.
@@Evilriku13 Aye, but it would be a shame if I could only play old past psx/ps2 titles, since most of my old rpgs are ntsc versions. back then only a small amount of the great games got PAL releases.
About Georg, you missed the fact that his legend goes back to Suikoden *1*! In Marie's inn, six guys are talking about the Five Great Generals but one of them says 'The Six... I mean Five Great Generals' and nothing more is said about it, except we know that at the end of the Gate Rune War, there are indeed Six Generals again. This is the first in game hint of Georg because we learn in Suikoden 2 that there were meant to be Six Generals all along and that Georg was the sixth but left before the first game, hence why the guy in the inn wasn't making verbal nonsense - it was a genuine slip on his part, and foreshadowing that a general had left and that having Five Generals only wasn't the norm! However there is one more piece of evidence to indicate this from Suikoden I - the Japanese instruction manual, which has a picture of the Six Great Generals... including a certain guy with black hair and an eyepatch!!!! The manual picture also includes someone who decidedly isn't Sonya Shulen - it's because it's her mother, Kilawher, who was part of the Generals when Georg was. So Georg's eyepatch look and his existence was being foreshadowed even as far back as the original Suikoden. I guess they soft retconned the eyepatch for Suikoden 2 before the creators of 5 decided to go back to it.
Man I agree so much for the number 6, So many characters are missable to the point where a "wrong choice" of a dialogue could leave that one(Chisato) potential star of destiny unrecruitable for the rest of the game :/ It's probably if not certainly impossible to recruit everyone in this game without a guide.
I first played S5 right around the beginning of the PS3 era. I had already ordered some games and was waiting for them and really wanted a jrpg. I went into a shop and there it was. Suikoden 5. I did not know anything about this series but the cover was nice and so I bought it. It begins rather slow with a lot of politics and character development which is totally fine and even more so in this game. Because I got really drawn into it. The world, the Nobels with all their agendas, the dynamic between the prince and his sister and his parents and the royal guards. And right when I got comfortable and thought "Well now I will probably go exploring" BAM the games shifts gear and changes completely. And I was so angry (at the villans) happy (because of the awesome game) and was totally into it. And so with no effort at all this game jumped into my top ten all time favourite games of all genres. It doesn't have the best graphics but who cares it has great world building, characters and an awesome story. I wish they would make another one someday. Ni No Kuni 2 has some similar aspects with characters, armys and such but its just not the same.
I suddenly have a nostalgic memory of Suikoden V pop up in my mind in 2021, I don't know why, the music makes me cried oh my god, thank you for your video! This was one of my favorite RPG in PS2 13+ years ago!
I hope they make 6, i have a notepad that i made a story continuing 5, it takes the story to Kingdom of Zelant and the main character is from an assassin guild, he is ordered to kill the queen of falena (Lymsleia, 16 yrs old), but started to have a change of heart after meeting alot of people that knows the queen. He will have the sword of night rune. He will meet a lot of characters from 1 2 and 5, mostly grown up from 5 like toma and shoon, ill also put maybe richard as one of the main characters like how they did with george prime, he was just an optional character in 2. And ofcourse frey will be a secret star
I remember being young and blissfull and a dude 1 year younger then me, he loved jrpgs. i played many before but i was more into kh and final fantasy. He said i should try out suikoden. I played Suikoden II first. i got f'n addicted. Searched an guide on the ethernet to get all the charackters. After that i played Suikoden 4. And without spoiling i love the charackter dynamic in the story. After that i played Suikoden 5. It was the biggest most grandest adventure i had the pleasure to witness. there even were different outcomes based on your choices at some points. It had less charackters then the 2nd one. But it felt more grand in scale non the less. I love that series. It dosen't had the capebility to give every charackter the necessary development. But the story that is there. give the charackters that are in the storys center allways the attention they deserve. the gameplay was also enjoyabel all the way throught and very divers. it might be a bad example but i would even say gameplay wise it fused genre's like nier. only more RPG genre focused.
Brilliant upload Erick and my personal favourite game of all time. I spent hours and hours on this masterpiece and loved every minute. Such a tremendous shame that it sold so poorly and also that Suikoden is no more. One of the best and most complex gaming worlds which would be brilliant to revisit again one day...please!
I remember that time. I had bought Suikoden 3 then 4 then kingdom hearts 2 came out. I didn't know Suikoden 5 existed. I found out about it from Eric Landon. I must play once done with ff6
I never got into this series when it was out and even owned some of the PS2 copies, but never played it. I bought them on a PSN sale and finally gave them a chance. I felt like kicking myself for not playing them when I had the chance back in the day. I've gotten such a great nostalgic feeling getting into the series.
As good as Suikoden 2 Mr Landon?? Did someone start "hitting the sauce" a tad early today? I do agree however this is criminally underrated and this franchise remains our dream remaster title for all current gen systems. That being said we always agree we love seeing and hearing your rpg passion thru your videos no matter what :). Your care and love for the genre is always appreciated good Sir.
@@orphenkirylancello6315 that's ok. I Just find that people should learn to separate emotions when judging a product what you played as a child or as your first contact with a specific product, Will usually create a bias that This product set the rules that needs to be followed, even when the product is actually the original, people need to learn to separate historical contributions from the actual quality of the thing. Otherwise all things that comes after It Will bê gravely underrated and even disrespected in some cases. It's ok to respect something's historical valeu while calling out it's problems. This kind of thing easily tilts Your views towards a certain direcion. It's the main reason why many people still think that Bruce Dickinson is the best vocalist ever. Even though we have many vocalists out there who easily surpass him at his best nowadays
Me and my brother truly loved this game and we have played and finished it multiple times. It's kinda like a perfect fusion of final fantasy and fire emblem. I do hope it makes a comeback in the future.
I'm most surprised to hear that the director was new to the RPG genre and had only ever worked on a single shooter game before. He did a great job from what I hear on Suikoden V, as it is regarded as one of the top 3 in the series at least.
2 & 5 are the only real "good" ones to me. The first was a passable effort and 3 & 4 were just disappointing, especially following the footsteps of the masterpiece #2
It's the same with Tsutomu Kouno at Japan Studio who never had lead a RPG project before. Sure, he worked on The Legend of Dragoon when he was a noob and joined the company in 1997, but like he said he was just a team member on level design. He has only created LocoRoco and is reported to work on a super large new RPG IP. I don't think you need to have much RPG experience to work on an RPG, it's just a plus if you have RPG experience. There was a job listing a few days ago connected to Japan Studio. They were looking for someone who can create battle script in the RPG title for a super large new IP. Create AI battle experience.
While I still prefer Suikoden II, this game is still very close to matching it, and I'd say it surpasses it in a lot of areas. A shame it never got more attention, it's honestly one of the best JRPGs on the PS2, and maybe even one of the best JRPGs period.
@@hubertcumberdale2651 Wow, I could not disagree with you more on that one. Aside from the two you mentioned, Dragon Quest VIII, Shadow Hearts Covenant, Rogue Galaxy, Ar Tonelico II, Odin Sphere, Mana Khemia, Atelier Iris, Suikoden III, Tales of the Abyss, Persona 4, Digital Devil Saga, and Arc the Lad: Twilight of the Spirits were all fantastic JRPGs that any fan of the genre owe it to themselves to check out. Honestly, I'd even go so far as to say the PS2 beats out the PS1 when it comes to it's selection of JRPGs. But even if I didn't think that, to say the console had a lacking selection of RPGs is just ridiculous.
@@hubertcumberdale2651 I tend to prefer those as well, but plenty of the ones I mentioned were turn-based. Dragon Quest VIII and Persona 4 in particular stand out as some of the best turn-based RPGs of all time.
As far as turn based rpgs on PS2, there was FF 10, SMT Nocturne, Digital Devil Saga 1 and 2, Metal Saga, Dragon Quest 8, Suikoden 3, 4, and 5, Persona 3 and 4, Wild Arms 3, 4, 5, and Alter Code F, Wizardry: Tales of the Forsaken Land and probably more. I also liked the PS1 period the most, but PS2 had a hell of a lot going for it, even with turn based rpgs.
I've never played Suikoden V, but I lived the first couple on the PS1. Luckily thanks to emulation, it is possible to play older games like this without an expensive PS2 and disc.
I stopped playing very early on, i felt the world map and towns and battles were so bland, like very little effort from the devs. story and music seemed great. Should i get back to it (played around 2-3 hours only)? Really wanna get into every time i put it on i just cant focus on it. What do you all love about it mainly? m open to change my mind about it
I agree. I played it all the way through a couple times. It has a lot going for it, but it feels hollow in some respects. I do not think it is as good as Suikoden 2.
for me what hooked me the most is the interaction with all SoD it feel more lively, second is the mini games is super fun and the third is the battle system especially where we can arrange various formation with various effect.
word to the wise, the original series was green lighted by konami & one guy was in charge. He had a 10 year plan. He said he was only going to spend 10 years exactly working for Konami and that is exactly what happened. After 10 years he left Konami and made his own games, but he left behind 2 outlines for 2 further Suikoden games which were made by a different team (games 4 & 5).
Honestly, Suikoden, and any other unknown game series like Kya: Dark Lineage... Would probably do much better in this time and age, just because advertising is so much easier now. You have google ads, video ads on Instagram, they're everywhere!
Suikoden as a series will not be revived but lucky the true spiritual successor to the series is in development called "Eiyuden Chronicles" from the original creators of suikoden...
I place Suikoden 5 right after 2 as my favorite Suikoden! It's super underrated and really fulfilled the nostalgia that I didn't think they could do anymore
Suikoden V is one of the best jrpgs I've played and no one played it =/ Getting the good ending sticks with me, the way the ending cutscene is mostly unvoiced, AND with no text, but with the characters body language you can still understand what they were saying and what was going on. It was a perfect ending.
Ah... I remember this game. Suikoden 1 and 2 were gems. While 3 was a bit of a mix. 4 and its vast ocean and unbearable enemy encounter rate was horrible. 5 felt like a good return to the good old days. And not to mention that the story was pretty neat. A lot of political intrigue while keeping it within the realm of the IP. I even played the one on the DS, which was also pretty cool. Here's to hoping the next Suikoden is a banger.
I was lucky to grab 2 brand new (LOVED IT!!). I was buying all things Playstation 1 RPG. Found 1 at a pawn shop for $5 case and all. Bought them as they came out. Still have them almost mint and aint no one getting them!!!
I really appreciate the effort to even make a 5th game but beyond Tierkreis seems like an impossibility. We can all hope for a 6th but waiting for it might lead to nothing more than disappointment. Fantastic video Erick!
I love this game but haven’t completed it. I’m kinda lost actually, but this video was great. I didn’t know any of these. I need to get back to it and find that damn beaver
Fact #1: There's a such thing as a Suikoden 5.... I loved 4 and beat it multiple times, seen both ending, took different party members for my 'stranded' starting party (finding out that didn't actually matter), finding all 108 stars, having fantasies about the woman who worked the magic shop (I was very young), etc, and I never knew that there was a Suikoden 5.... Wow.
My Fav Suikoden List : -Suikoden II (I like story between Riou and Jowy I mean is like Naruto and Sasuke and another anime rival like goku and Vegeta) -Suikoden V (A weak Prince and adorable become a strong prince) -Suikoden I (much drama in this series) -Suikoden III (I like the story and i love Flame champion) -Suikoden IV (I don't very like the Theme in this game is better if theme not in the sea but yeah this series much remind me like Riou and Jowy) Sry if my English is bad...
I love Suikoden V! I haven't been able to play it since I had it on PS2 years ago! I would love to play this again maybe as a digital download on PS4....I have my fingers crossed!
Suikoden 5 is just as good as 2 in my opinion as well. Really disappointed, PSN and Konami haven't made a digital copy. However, I guess the commercial failure is probably why. I should still have an original copy. Sadly, PS2 is lost in an attic, hoping the PS5 will have backward compatibility and I'll have a Suidoden binge gaming couple weeks.
Amigo me dá vontade até de chorar só de lembrar o com bom essa época foi e como esse jogo maravilhoso não deu certo você está de parabéns pelo ótimo vídeo que você fez como sempre eu gosto muito de ouvir quando você fala que se encontra eu consigo sentir a paixão de um gamer sério que jogou o jogo e conhece a história falando sobre o jogo espero ver você falando mais desse excelente universo de silicone sobre a personagem sobre histórias pós game algo assim que que você acha da ideia
This game was fantastic! I still have Suikoden 3,4and 5 the original disc along with original saga frontier and all wild arms. Suikoden 2 i had my nephew play it and he scratch the disc no saving 😓.
Wish they would port these games in a collection or something to newer platforms. May bite the bullet and buy them on PS1 and PS2. Hope a Growlanser video on "10 things you didn't know" happens in the future.
Didnt characters in Suikoden 1 & 2 leave when a character tied to them died? I kinda remember such thing to be in those games. Also how is "George Prime is in Suikoden V" smth someone who played Suikoden V wouldnt know? He is VERY present on the cover and appears in one of the first scenes and even the intro. Oh are they expensive? Maybe for americans, but the european ones are from what I checked 3 years ago quiet cheap, got it for around 10 bucks back then. Also Tierkreis means Zodiac in german. Speaking of: the german translation for this game is messy, like I dunno what the localizers did, if they were underpaid or smth, but one of the easiest thing that is messed up in that game is that the yes & no options have been reverse far too often in that game, like how do you mess that up?! What also is weird is that u say that "over a decade, it became a classic" when from what I read up in forums from around the release is that Suikoden V, for those wh oplayed it, loved the game quite some, some even saying it is the best Suikoden title (which I can partway agree, I do see that game on par with Sui2). It was still niche and if u dont put out ads, nobody will notice your game (or put it in a critical release window). I do think the directing has flaws at certain points of the game, harming its atmosphere, immersion or built up up to certain points, esp towards the end of the game (basically nearly everything after the siege on Doraat, excluding the war battle against the queen and the consequences of that, but for exampel Sauronix, a town being built upvery early in the game as the military HQ of the land, is udnerdeveloped and the castle itself feels unfinished, and Doraat follows these steps. Like revisiting Doraat doesnt even show off anyting of substence for characters, worldbuilding nor big secrets besides its huge walls with way too much space in them to hide treasure chests. The character development or built up for the apparent main antagonist was "there" as there is a lot of unspokenness, that, even if deciphered, lacks critically, even self awareness. Or that a certain mother figure of the Barows family including the room was never finished or given any voice lines nor cutscenes. Speaking of: The majority came off as stiff and overacted in performance (not by voice, but how the gestures and movements come across, lazy or rather undetailed/unrelatable). Also the feeling that Luserina was made to be the 2nd choice of potential love interest for the main character with her being VERY prominent about the prince, and giving off some vibes that she may be interested in him but is either too ashamed of her family or that she thinks that she isnt worth him, aka rather reserved/unfulfilled, esp cuz u get some choices in dialogue with her that does look like showing affection towards her, and she doesnt mind that at all. I do believe that is because this was unfinished and thus cut from the game. You also got quite many empty rooms and a certain bath room (for scenes) in the venice like city on the biggest boat (the dahakan?) which u have as an HQ for a short time, but the bathroom, with quite some experimentation, does go unused and feels like leftovers. I do like the game, it has MANY details when you know where to look and if you play carefully cuz there are quite many timed based events (like most suikoden games, except 3 which feels like the biggest option to recruit any character at any time) that u can miss out that I rly adore, heck, I even found out that some dialogues change when u get certain characters at certain points in your party (having Sagiri in the party when fighting the war battle against the queen and talking to her after the battle but before speaking to Kyle/meeting the others at your room). I do wish Belcoot was more put on the spotlight with his kind of built up before the story basically dumped him (for relateable reasons), as he was basically the "chosen" man for Lymsleia and him wanting to end the sacred games so people like him (he is a gladiator) can be free of this style of life. I mean Belcoot would easily be an not so unimportant part of the story with his involvment about the royals and nobles and giving ultimately him an ending he deserves, besides his rematch which is entirely optional with a certain someone. Oh and he can stay married to Lym just to be "there" as a authority and still be in a real relationship with Melina or whatever the innkeeper's name was, cuz I dont think he would like a girl like Lym to be in a relationship with a someone of his age xD Kinda disappointed that this is a video about Suikoden V "things most people dont know", yet you could have easily picked the target about a certian blondie's misunderstood motivations and Bernadette's relation to the prince, because things are only teased or never really been spoken directly to the player, or how Lorelai "jokingly" admits she is part of the Sindar folk when u speak to her in the war battle night against the queen (some characters have changed idalogue if you talk to them twice!) or Lucretia (the strategist of this game) being.. homosexual (and her lovers, Lelei & Cathari (strongly hinted at she knows Lucretia from a time both dont wanna talk about) and witnessed the great fire on the grasslands from Suikoden 3 (she is also quite misunderstood from some comments I read on her about her thinking and knowledge and "perfectism" but all these are explained, like her having a past with the royals before the start of the game), or about the head of the nethergate organisation being complelty absent from the game but heavily mentioned in some non story dialogues and one character looking for that guy after the war would be over (him being Oboro, the detective/char investigator of the game)!
damn it KONAMIII!! when will you release a goddamn new suikoden series!! you've been neglecting an amazing series all this time!! why?? just why!? DAMN it!!
Coz Konami are run by idiots, saw pachinko as a better way to earn money.. and then they come back crawling to video games.. if they manage to make a decent successor to Suikoden 5.. with the same universe.. it's just a matter of the story, gameplay and how much it aligns with the other stories in the Suikodenverse.. if they can't do that.. then.. better off that they make another game.
I don’t think I ever finish this one I can’t remember why but I got to right before the end (what would in other games be the point of no return) I can’t actually think why I would have stopped? As for 4 I actually kinda liked it it’s not as good as 2 or 1 but most games can’t hope to reach that mark.
i actually loved suikoden 2 more than this. Honestly i felt like one of the downfalls for this game to me was its colors. It looked super dull and didnt have the vibrant colors of the other games. It was the only main flaw i could find that just made it not be able to compete with suikoden 2 in my books
Do not give up hope, never say never, "Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes"
I was going to say the same thing
Yup, waiting for 2022 or later for the release. If it's on the same level as Bloodstained, there is hope.
Or Suikoden HD!!!
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Just like “Persona 3”, I think “Suikoden V” got overlooked by releasing on the PS2 instead of the PS3, which was starving for JRPG’s the first 2-3 years of its life. It’s sad because “Suikoden V” is my favorite of the Suikoden series!
Controller-throw inducing load times EVERYWHERE seriously ate into this games enjoyability. Nonetheless it was my 2nd favorite of the series after #2.
I absolutely agree with this. It's really sad the series has apparently died. I'd kill to see a number 6. Heck, even a graphical remastering of the first and second games could be amazing--with voice acting, etc. It could introduce, literally, a whole generation to a classic.
What makes me even more sad. Konami planned a RPG project for PS3 which I assume was Suikoden. Instead of waiting for Suikoden 6 that got cancelled they could have made Suikoden 5 for PS3 like you said.
Suikoden V would have needed a major overhaul to be on the ps3. Not just the bad load times, but traveling in general. Persona 3 didnt do as well because it was generally in a pretty niche category. On top of that, atlus likes to not produce a ton of copies of the game. Only reason I heard about it was because of the invoker controversy.
Goes to show you how ps3-4 are total shit
5 is my favorite!! thanks for doing this video !
It's my favorite as well!
Ehh, mine is game 4.
@@vDorgengoa at least it has way cooler chars than for example lyon and... 90 other chars of suikoden 5 ;)
It always make me sad that some Suikoden weren't liked. I absolutely had a blast with every single one of em.
It was such a beautiful game, I still replay it from time to time... too bad it did not get the recognition it deserved 😥
Worth it to play now? I wanna try, never played it before
@@Howudoit777 definitely, the graphics may not be up to par with today's games, but the story and the gameplay are amazing.
@@Howudoit777 play it on an emulator on double speed
I bought this game on a whim.
I was skipping school when I was like 18 years young (now 35). Used to hang out at a record store who also sold games, and I picked that game up. Best purchase I've done.
Didn't have internet back then, so got the store clerk to print out like 20 pages of how to recruit the stars for me XD
Same as me, I wanted to try a Suikoden game and went to a second hand store. The guy said to me this game was great, bought it like for 30€ in mint condition. Cheers to that random guy
Thank you for this video. Suikoden 5 is my second faveroit next to 2. I hope to see a real 6 one day. Great video
I never thought I will see a video of Suikoden V nowadays. Thank you :)
This game is the reason why I'm excited about the rumor that the PS5 might be fully backwards compatible. My PS2 finally died a couple years ago and I have had an urge to play Suikoden 5 ever since (I was in the middle of a playthrough when it died).
Backwards to PS4 at most I assume... If it was truly backwards compatible all the way to Playstation 1 and also getting rid of the NTSC / PAL Issue, that would be super amazing.
@@RadiantTwilight regionfree is a bit mmuch to ask whenthe rest would be a thing. I would LIKE to have that removed so I can get some imports as a european, but I wont count on that.
@@Evilriku13 Aye, but it would be a shame if I could only play old past psx/ps2 titles, since most of my old rpgs are ntsc versions. back then only a small amount of the great games got PAL releases.
"PS5 might be fully backwards compatible". that was just a rumour i also believed in, it is just compatible with ps4 games
If only this game would have had more recognition during its time.
Suiko2&5 are my favorite Suikoden games, and two of my favorite RPGs.
It's time for the first two to be re-released on the Switch, like Grandia I and II were..
No
Wish they’d do a collection release of this series
that would be nice, but a physical one please
About Georg, you missed the fact that his legend goes back to Suikoden *1*!
In Marie's inn, six guys are talking about the Five Great Generals but one of them says 'The Six... I mean Five Great Generals' and nothing more is said about it, except we know that at the end of the Gate Rune War, there are indeed Six Generals again.
This is the first in game hint of Georg because we learn in Suikoden 2 that there were meant to be Six Generals all along and that Georg was the sixth but left before the first game, hence why the guy in the inn wasn't making verbal nonsense - it was a genuine slip on his part, and foreshadowing that a general had left and that having Five Generals only wasn't the norm!
However there is one more piece of evidence to indicate this from Suikoden I - the Japanese instruction manual, which has a picture of the Six Great Generals... including a certain guy with black hair and an eyepatch!!!! The manual picture also includes someone who decidedly isn't Sonya Shulen - it's because it's her mother, Kilawher, who was part of the Generals when Georg was.
So Georg's eyepatch look and his existence was being foreshadowed even as far back as the original Suikoden. I guess they soft retconned the eyepatch for Suikoden 2 before the creators of 5 decided to go back to it.
Man I agree so much for the number 6, So many characters are missable to the point where a "wrong choice" of a dialogue could leave that one(Chisato) potential star of destiny unrecruitable for the rest of the game :/ It's probably if not certainly impossible to recruit everyone in this game without a guide.
I don't see how anyone could have gotten Egbert without knowing what to do beforehand!
dude you uploaded this THE DAY I decided to start suikoden V lmao
scared of spoilers so ill watch it after i finish the game
good luck with the 108 stars
The SOD is hard IMO (seriously)... I miss Oboro and as a result I'm so messed up with the other SOD.... Good luck!!
I first played S5 right around the beginning of the PS3 era. I had already ordered some games and was waiting for them and really wanted a jrpg. I went into a shop and there it was. Suikoden 5. I did not know anything about this series but the cover was nice and so I bought it.
It begins rather slow with a lot of politics and character development which is totally fine and even more so in this game. Because I got really drawn into it. The world, the Nobels with all their agendas, the dynamic between the prince and his sister and his parents and the royal guards. And right when I got comfortable and thought "Well now I will probably go exploring" BAM the games shifts gear and changes completely.
And I was so angry (at the villans) happy (because of the awesome game) and was totally into it.
And so with no effort at all this game jumped into my top ten all time favourite games of all genres.
It doesn't have the best graphics but who cares it has great world building, characters and an awesome story.
I wish they would make another one someday.
Ni No Kuni 2 has some similar aspects with characters, armys and such but its just not the same.
I’m glad I have two copies of this.
Such an insightful and well-researched video, I learned a lot about the hidden gems of Suikoden V, thank you for sharing!
I suddenly have a nostalgic memory of Suikoden V pop up in my mind in 2021, I don't know why, the music makes me cried oh my god, thank you for your video! This was one of my favorite RPG in PS2 13+ years ago!
I need a remastered body of sialeeds and Jeane
I hope they make 6, i have a notepad that i made a story continuing 5, it takes the story to Kingdom of Zelant and the main character is from an assassin guild, he is ordered to kill the queen of falena (Lymsleia, 16 yrs old), but started to have a change of heart after meeting alot of people that knows the queen. He will have the sword of night rune. He will meet a lot of characters from 1 2 and 5, mostly grown up from 5 like toma and shoon, ill also put maybe richard as one of the main characters like how they did with george prime, he was just an optional character in 2. And ofcourse frey will be a secret star
Suikoden V is my favourite in the series.
I would love this series makes a return one day even remasters
I think Steam ports and let the modders have at them.
I remember being young and blissfull and a dude 1 year younger then me, he loved jrpgs. i played many before but i was more into kh and final fantasy. He said i should try out suikoden.
I played Suikoden II first. i got f'n addicted. Searched an guide on the ethernet to get all the charackters. After that i played Suikoden 4. And without spoiling i love the charackter dynamic in the story.
After that i played Suikoden 5. It was the biggest most grandest adventure i had the pleasure to witness. there even were different outcomes based on your choices at some points.
It had less charackters then the 2nd one. But it felt more grand in scale non the less. I love that series. It dosen't had the capebility to give every charackter the necessary development.
But the story that is there. give the charackters that are in the storys center allways the attention they deserve. the gameplay was also enjoyabel all the way throught and very divers. it might be a bad example but i would even say gameplay wise it fused genre's like nier. only more RPG genre focused.
I named my character in this game “of Darkness.” That way everybody calls me “Prince of Darkness.” Good times.
I’m still happy I was able to get a copy of Suikoden V for 50 bucks, since I’m sure it was on the way up in price,lol
Brilliant upload Erick and my personal favourite game of all time. I spent hours and hours on this masterpiece and loved every minute. Such a tremendous shame that it sold so poorly and also that Suikoden is no more. One of the best and most complex gaming worlds which would be brilliant to revisit again one day...please!
I remember that time. I had bought Suikoden 3 then 4 then kingdom hearts 2 came out. I didn't know Suikoden 5 existed. I found out about it from Eric Landon. I must play once done with ff6
I never got into this series when it was out and even owned some of the PS2 copies, but never played it. I bought them on a PSN sale and finally gave them a chance. I felt like kicking myself for not playing them when I had the chance back in the day. I've gotten such a great nostalgic feeling getting into the series.
I bought the first 2 games on the PSN yesterday. It's hard to stop playing!
Paulo Penado have they updated the ps2 on ps4 list already? It’s been the same since like 2016 lol
@@SenzuBeaner I bought them on ps3's psn. I dont think they can be found on the ps4.
As good as Suikoden 2 Mr Landon?? Did someone start "hitting the sauce" a tad early today? I do agree however this is criminally underrated and this franchise remains our dream remaster title for all current gen systems. That being said we always agree we love seeing and hearing your rpg passion thru your videos no matter what :). Your care and love for the genre is always appreciated good Sir.
Suikoden 2 and 5 both are the best suikodens ever..dont think to even compare it to one another bruh..
No, this game is easily on the same level as the 2nd one. Remove nostalgia from the equation and you'll see that
@@bloody4558 well for me every suikoden series is unique in every way.. if you are the true fan though heheh..
@@orphenkirylancello6315 that's ok. I Just find that people should learn to separate emotions when judging a product what you played as a child or as your first contact with a specific product, Will usually create a bias that This product set the rules that needs to be followed, even when the product is actually the original, people need to learn to separate historical contributions from the actual quality of the thing. Otherwise all things that comes after It Will bê gravely underrated and even disrespected in some cases. It's ok to respect something's historical valeu while calling out it's problems. This kind of thing easily tilts Your views towards a certain direcion. It's the main reason why many people still think that Bruce Dickinson is the best vocalist ever. Even though we have many vocalists out there who easily surpass him at his best nowadays
@@bloody4558 no #5 did have a somewhat weaker story than #2, but it was nonetheless a great return to form for the series
Me and my brother truly loved this game and we have played and finished it multiple times. It's kinda like a perfect fusion of final fantasy and fire emblem. I do hope it makes a comeback in the future.
I'm most surprised to hear that the director was new to the RPG genre and had only ever worked on a single shooter game before. He did a great job from what I hear on Suikoden V, as it is regarded as one of the top 3 in the series at least.
2 & 5 are the only real "good" ones to me. The first was a passable effort and 3 & 4 were just disappointing, especially following the footsteps of the masterpiece #2
It's the same with Tsutomu Kouno at Japan Studio who never had lead a RPG project before. Sure, he worked on The Legend of Dragoon when he was a noob and joined the company in 1997, but like he said he was just a team member on level design. He has only created LocoRoco and is reported to work on a super large new RPG IP.
I don't think you need to have much RPG experience to work on an RPG, it's just a plus if you have RPG experience.
There was a job listing a few days ago connected to Japan Studio. They were looking for someone who can create battle script in the RPG title for a super large new IP. Create AI battle experience.
While I still prefer Suikoden II, this game is still very close to matching it, and I'd say it surpasses it in a lot of areas. A shame it never got more attention, it's honestly one of the best JRPGs on the PS2, and maybe even one of the best JRPGs period.
Final Fantasy 10 and Suikoden 5 carried the RPG torch on the PS2, otherwise the system was very lacking compared to the PS1.
@@hubertcumberdale2651 Wow, I could not disagree with you more on that one. Aside from the two you mentioned, Dragon Quest VIII, Shadow Hearts Covenant, Rogue Galaxy, Ar Tonelico II, Odin Sphere, Mana Khemia, Atelier Iris, Suikoden III, Tales of the Abyss, Persona 4, Digital Devil Saga, and Arc the Lad: Twilight of the Spirits were all fantastic JRPGs that any fan of the genre owe it to themselves to check out.
Honestly, I'd even go so far as to say the PS2 beats out the PS1 when it comes to it's selection of JRPGs. But even if I didn't think that, to say the console had a lacking selection of RPGs is just ridiculous.
@@dobadobadooo I'm partial to the turn based RPGs , and there just wasn't as much of them on the PS2.
@@hubertcumberdale2651 I tend to prefer those as well, but plenty of the ones I mentioned were turn-based. Dragon Quest VIII and Persona 4 in particular stand out as some of the best turn-based RPGs of all time.
As far as turn based rpgs on PS2, there was FF 10, SMT Nocturne, Digital Devil Saga 1 and 2, Metal Saga, Dragon Quest 8, Suikoden 3, 4, and 5, Persona 3 and 4, Wild Arms 3, 4, 5, and Alter Code F, Wizardry: Tales of the Forsaken Land and probably more. I also liked the PS1 period the most, but PS2 had a hell of a lot going for it, even with turn based rpgs.
Excellent video for a excellent game!
I've never played Suikoden V, but I lived the first couple on the PS1. Luckily thanks to emulation, it is possible to play older games like this without an expensive PS2 and disc.
I had this game around its release. Arrived to the final boss without ending it, then sold it...I still can only remember only 3-4 scenes though :(
yepp remebering just 3 or 4 scenes has a reason^^..i said the same a few weeks ago
I stopped playing very early on, i felt the world map and towns and battles were so bland, like very little effort from the devs. story and music seemed great. Should i get back to it (played around 2-3 hours only)? Really wanna get into every time i put it on i just cant focus on it. What do you all love about it mainly? m open to change my mind about it
I agree. I played it all the way through a couple times. It has a lot going for it, but it feels hollow in some respects. I do not think it is as good as Suikoden 2.
Thanks for the feedback. Maybe il continue and just overlook the weak stuff, if it has good things like you said
for me what hooked me the most is the interaction with all SoD it feel more lively, second is the mini games is super fun and the third is the battle system especially where we can arrange various formation with various effect.
Thanks, that sounds like a lot of cool stuff. Definatley gonna get back to it soon
word to the wise, the original series was green lighted by konami & one guy was in charge. He had a 10 year plan. He said he was only going to spend 10 years exactly working for Konami and that is exactly what happened. After 10 years he left Konami and made his own games, but he left behind 2 outlines for 2 further Suikoden games which were made by a different team (games 4 & 5).
Knowing Konami nowadays they will bring the series back as suikoden 6 but itll be a puzzle game
A pachinko or a mobile, lol.
this game i found it in a flea market in Guadalajara for around 35 dollars
Another great video Erick
This game was 60 bucks when i bought it, i cant believe they animated everything.
What do you mean
@@Pikachu-qr4yb All of the cutscenes have thoughtful animation.
Love your channel man, thanks for the solid content.
It's getting a spiritual successor by some of the staff behind this series. Eiyuden Chronicles is the title of the work in progress.
For those looking for suikoden 6 look up eiyuden chronicles it was just on kickstarter and is being made by many of the former suikoden team
Honestly, Suikoden, and any other unknown game series like Kya: Dark Lineage... Would probably do much better in this time and age, just because advertising is so much easier now. You have google ads, video ads on Instagram, they're everywhere!
Eiyudan Chronicles: 100 heros!! Suikoden has returned 🙌
Suikoden V is my fav rpg of all time!!
It is awesome!
Got half way through this in the day, need to go back and finish it. Thanks for the reminder 😁
Suikoden as a series will not be revived but lucky the true spiritual successor to the series is in development called "Eiyuden Chronicles" from the original creators of suikoden...
Suikoden V is probably way better than many JRPG launched on this year, if this game was remade, it would be a friking success
I hope they will remastert it..when you walk around..the optik was not so good..but the gameplay, story and cutszene were awesome
I place Suikoden 5 right after 2 as my favorite Suikoden! It's super underrated and really fulfilled the nostalgia that I didn't think they could do anymore
900th like! and sakiyama is back! 1 & 2 HD remaster! what a time to be alive!
I agree, it is an under appreciated game for sure. Played it twice, loved it both times. It actually gets better, the more you play it.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS
Now all we can hope is this gets a rerelease after Suikoden HD does well!
Suikoden V is one of the best jrpgs I've played and no one played it =/ Getting the good ending sticks with me, the way the ending cutscene is mostly unvoiced, AND with no text, but with the characters body language you can still understand what they were saying and what was going on. It was a perfect ending.
Ah... I remember this game.
Suikoden 1 and 2 were gems. While 3 was a bit of a mix. 4 and its vast ocean and unbearable enemy encounter rate was horrible.
5 felt like a good return to the good old days. And not to mention that the story was pretty neat. A lot of political intrigue while keeping it within the realm of the IP.
I even played the one on the DS, which was also pretty cool.
Here's to hoping the next Suikoden is a banger.
I was lucky to grab 2 brand new (LOVED IT!!). I was buying all things Playstation 1 RPG. Found 1 at a pawn shop for $5 case and all. Bought them as they came out. Still have them almost mint and aint no one getting them!!!
I really appreciate the effort to even make a 5th game but beyond Tierkreis seems like an impossibility. We can all hope for a 6th but waiting for it might lead to nothing more than disappointment. Fantastic video Erick!
Bought my copy on day one!
Me to
Now we are talking
Suikoden was my fav growing up!! Thank God eiyuden chronicles is coming!!
I love this game but haven’t completed it. I’m kinda lost actually, but this video was great. I didn’t know any of these. I need to get back to it and find that damn beaver
Great video. I hope you make more similar videos.
Fact #1: There's a such thing as a Suikoden 5.... I loved 4 and beat it multiple times, seen both ending, took different party members for my 'stranded' starting party (finding out that didn't actually matter), finding all 108 stars, having fantasies about the woman who worked the magic shop (I was very young), etc, and I never knew that there was a Suikoden 5....
Wow.
My Fav Suikoden List :
-Suikoden II (I like story between Riou and Jowy I mean is like Naruto and Sasuke and another anime rival like goku and Vegeta)
-Suikoden V (A weak Prince and adorable become a strong prince)
-Suikoden I (much drama in this series)
-Suikoden III (I like the story and i love Flame champion)
-Suikoden IV (I don't very like the Theme in this game is better if theme not in the sea but yeah this series much remind me like Riou and Jowy)
Sry if my English is bad...
tierkreis was 4 characters and 1 assistant
Suikoden 2 and 5 are my 2 favorites in the series.
I still need to go back and get the good ending.
My personal favorite is part 3. Likely because it was my introduction to the series.
that was a nice and correct line, dude. i love 3 also hard, even if i started with 1. 3 is best story telling to me.
I feel like you got invested into more characters by having all of the different storylines.
@@zakunick1 exactly, and the game features a unique, great and dark story about luc. emotional. i love a lot elements of that game.
12:06 it's the real life Suikoden. Somebody must gather all the 108 developers of destiny!
Sadly all I remembered about Suikoden 5 is lots of loading times.
Still a great game though!
and then Sonic 06 came... (about the loading times) >_>
and circa 95 boring chars...head of those chars is cheesy and cliche fulfilling pest called lyon
Need thesse games to come to steam and ps5 someday
Truely epic game..my personal favorite in the series.
I'm just now playing this and having fun. Good amount of nice lady characters too
Im so sad thinking it again that we wont be getting suikoden series. Wasted universe
I love Suikoden V! I haven't been able to play it since I had it on PS2 years ago! I would love to play this again maybe as a digital download on PS4....I have my fingers crossed!
and now there's a spiritual successor in the works! yes!!
Suikoden 5 is just as good as 2 in my opinion as well. Really disappointed, PSN and Konami haven't made a digital copy. However, I guess the commercial failure is probably why. I should still have an original copy. Sadly, PS2 is lost in an attic, hoping the PS5 will have backward compatibility and I'll have a Suidoden binge gaming couple weeks.
Amigo me dá vontade até de chorar só de lembrar o com bom essa época foi e como esse jogo maravilhoso não deu certo você está de parabéns pelo ótimo vídeo que você fez como sempre eu gosto muito de ouvir quando você fala que se encontra eu consigo sentir a paixão de um gamer sério que jogou o jogo e conhece a história falando sobre o jogo espero ver você falando mais desse excelente universo de silicone sobre a personagem sobre histórias pós game algo assim que que você acha da ideia
This game was fantastic! I still have Suikoden 3,4and 5 the original disc along with original saga frontier and all wild arms. Suikoden 2 i had my nephew play it and he scratch the disc no saving 😓.
This game is amazing, I've been replaying it on my phone. What a time to be alive.
Phone?! Where
@@Pikachu-qr4yb use aether ps2 emulator on Android.
5 was a return to form after the ordeal that was 4.
Wish they would port these games in a collection or something to newer platforms. May bite the bullet and buy them on PS1 and PS2. Hope a Growlanser video on "10 things you didn't know" happens in the future.
Konami may wake up someday, i truly hope for all of you.
MCs weird fish eye in the intro always destroys me. 😂😂😂
Didnt characters in Suikoden 1 & 2 leave when a character tied to them died? I kinda remember such thing to be in those games.
Also how is "George Prime is in Suikoden V" smth someone who played Suikoden V wouldnt know? He is VERY present on the cover and appears in one of the first scenes and even the intro.
Oh are they expensive? Maybe for americans, but the european ones are from what I checked 3 years ago quiet cheap, got it for around 10 bucks back then.
Also Tierkreis means Zodiac in german. Speaking of: the german translation for this game is messy, like I dunno what the localizers did, if they were underpaid or smth, but one of the easiest thing that is messed up in that game is that the yes & no options have been reverse far too often in that game, like how do you mess that up?!
What also is weird is that u say that "over a decade, it became a classic" when from what I read up in forums from around the release is that Suikoden V, for those wh oplayed it, loved the game quite some, some even saying it is the best Suikoden title (which I can partway agree, I do see that game on par with Sui2). It was still niche and if u dont put out ads, nobody will notice your game (or put it in a critical release window).
I do think the directing has flaws at certain points of the game, harming its atmosphere, immersion or built up up to certain points, esp towards the end of the game (basically nearly everything after the siege on Doraat, excluding the war battle against the queen and the consequences of that, but for exampel Sauronix, a town being built upvery early in the game as the military HQ of the land, is udnerdeveloped and the castle itself feels unfinished, and Doraat follows these steps. Like revisiting Doraat doesnt even show off anyting of substence for characters, worldbuilding nor big secrets besides its huge walls with way too much space in them to hide treasure chests. The character development or built up for the apparent main antagonist was "there" as there is a lot of unspokenness, that, even if deciphered, lacks critically, even self awareness. Or that a certain mother figure of the Barows family including the room was never finished or given any voice lines nor cutscenes. Speaking of: The majority came off as stiff and overacted in performance (not by voice, but how the gestures and movements come across, lazy or rather undetailed/unrelatable). Also the feeling that Luserina was made to be the 2nd choice of potential love interest for the main character with her being VERY prominent about the prince, and giving off some vibes that she may be interested in him but is either too ashamed of her family or that she thinks that she isnt worth him, aka rather reserved/unfulfilled, esp cuz u get some choices in dialogue with her that does look like showing affection towards her, and she doesnt mind that at all. I do believe that is because this was unfinished and thus cut from the game. You also got quite many empty rooms and a certain bath room (for scenes) in the venice like city on the biggest boat (the dahakan?) which u have as an HQ for a short time, but the bathroom, with quite some experimentation, does go unused and feels like leftovers. I do like the game, it has MANY details when you know where to look and if you play carefully cuz there are quite many timed based events (like most suikoden games, except 3 which feels like the biggest option to recruit any character at any time) that u can miss out that I rly adore, heck, I even found out that some dialogues change when u get certain characters at certain points in your party (having Sagiri in the party when fighting the war battle against the queen and talking to her after the battle but before speaking to Kyle/meeting the others at your room).
I do wish Belcoot was more put on the spotlight with his kind of built up before the story basically dumped him (for relateable reasons), as he was basically the "chosen" man for Lymsleia and him wanting to end the sacred games so people like him (he is a gladiator) can be free of this style of life. I mean Belcoot would easily be an not so unimportant part of the story with his involvment about the royals and nobles and giving ultimately him an ending he deserves, besides his rematch which is entirely optional with a certain someone. Oh and he can stay married to Lym just to be "there" as a authority and still be in a real relationship with Melina or whatever the innkeeper's name was, cuz I dont think he would like a girl like Lym to be in a relationship with a someone of his age xD
Kinda disappointed that this is a video about Suikoden V "things most people dont know", yet you could have easily picked the target about a certian blondie's misunderstood motivations and Bernadette's relation to the prince, because things are only teased or never really been spoken directly to the player, or how Lorelai "jokingly" admits she is part of the Sindar folk when u speak to her in the war battle night against the queen (some characters have changed idalogue if you talk to them twice!) or Lucretia (the strategist of this game) being.. homosexual (and her lovers, Lelei & Cathari (strongly hinted at she knows Lucretia from a time both dont wanna talk about) and witnessed the great fire on the grasslands from Suikoden 3 (she is also quite misunderstood from some comments I read on her about her thinking and knowledge and "perfectism" but all these are explained, like her having a past with the royals before the start of the game), or about the head of the nethergate organisation being complelty absent from the game but heavily mentioned in some non story dialogues and one character looking for that guy after the war would be over (him being Oboro, the detective/char investigator of the game)!
No, it was not like that in Suiko I and II, when we lost a character, only that character gone, the other character will not follow suit.
might as well give up for a new suikoden game
My favorite Suikoden is S2, but S5 is a very close second.
damn it KONAMIII!! when will you release a goddamn new suikoden series!! you've been neglecting an amazing series all this time!! why?? just why!? DAMN it!!
@@Grayald nah i'm just joking, just look at how they massacre the castlevania franchise by turning it into stupid pachislot machine😂
At least do hd remasters. I'd be fine with an HD collection
There won't be Suikoden 6 just like there won't be Metal Gear 6. Key staff from both series have parted ways with the company
It failed commercially time and time again. We're lucky they gave it as many chances as they did.
Coz Konami are run by idiots, saw pachinko as a better way to earn money.. and then they come back crawling to video games.. if they manage to make a decent successor to Suikoden 5.. with the same universe.. it's just a matter of the story, gameplay and how much it aligns with the other stories in the Suikodenverse.. if they can't do that.. then.. better off that they make another game.
Eiyuden Chornicle: I am the LIGHT
Suikoden 6 on PS4 and switch by the original team with the team from 5
haha glad I saw this after the successful Eiyuden Chronicles kickstarter
This game is 5 stars never fail me to laugh and cry with the story...
Oh god why... we need this game again please.... please...
I can't WAIT to play this on PS5!
Oh my God it was released on my birthday Feb 23...
I don’t think I ever finish this one I can’t remember why but I got to right before the end (what would in other games be the point of no return) I can’t actually think why I would have stopped?
As for 4 I actually kinda liked it it’s not as good as 2 or 1 but most games can’t hope to reach that mark.
Georg Prime is in the first game as well, ...
25134 that's my number. Each one though stands forever loved in my memories ❤️
Can't wait Eiyuden Chronicle!
i actually loved suikoden 2 more than this. Honestly i felt like one of the downfalls for this game to me was its colors. It looked super dull and didnt have the vibrant colors of the other games. It was the only main flaw i could find that just made it not be able to compete with suikoden 2 in my books