"Nottingham Forest Can Buy The Freehold To The City Ground" | Steve Battlemuch On The Council's POV
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- čas přidán 8. 06. 2024
- The battle between Tom Cartledge, Chairman of Nottingham Forest Football Club, and the Nottingham City Council has reached a boiling point over the lease of "The City Ground." At the heart of the conflict lies a fundamental disagreement over the cost of leasing the land on which the historic stadium stands.
In the exclusive interview we get the Councils point of view, with guest Steve Battlemuch who is a Nottinghamshire City Councillor who has been supporting Nottingham Forest his whole life. Mr Battlemuch gives us his thoughts on the stadium dilemma and where he see the dispute between the local council and the club is heading.
This standoff has put the future of Nottingham Forest and "The City Ground" in jeopardy, as both parties dig in their heels and refuse to budge. But with a majority of the fans keen to stay at the clubs spiritual home and firmly against a move to the proposed new site in Toton, this debate could rumble on for sometime.
Let us know your thoughts on what Steve Battlemuch had to say and where you stand on the stadium situation, should Forest move or not? As always dont forget to LIKE and SUBSCRIBE to Forest Fan TV.
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FFTV Well done guys ,Steve Battlemuch thanks for coming on. BUT
I can't believe what I was hearing in the past week 😳. The majority of forest fans Would prefer to stay at the city ground. And if we had to move go to the site next to the BBC and Walking Center, minimal effect on transport. Could be called New City Ground 🥳.
But all we was hearing was excuses from the City Council (Forest haven't got back to us, we left it in they hands ) How they can't do this? They can't do that 😮. Nothing to help or Resolve the situation.The Toton situation has gathered speed because the City Council has just sat on their hands and done 'NOTHING'. The people of Nottingham DO NOT want to see their 2 football teams based outside of the city, Definitely not the major one The financial loss to the centre of the city is unthinkable.. People from outside the city are laughing. Asking, how the hell could the council let their number one team move outside of the city, Shameful🥺. Because they let it happen and did NOTHING 😡😤🤬
I think many people will agree with what I ve said
show me any council anywhere in the UK doing a good job. they don't exist. It must be tough for NFFC to do any business with these useless bureaucrats.
my mum spent her life working in Rushcliffe Council by the cricket ground and the stories I heard were shocking.
Many of us would absolutely agree with you. There are many more councils across the country expected to declare bankruptcy this year. I've followed politics for many years, the state our country is in, is shocking.
If Mr. Marinakis, agrees to pay the council, they will just keep putting the rate up.
Forest need to build a new ground/stadium for the future of the club, but not in Toton.
Well said Rob💯🌳🏹👍
Please note it was Steve Battlemuch that stated the ground I was talking about and many others too still belongs to the City Council and not Conygar as you are saying are already developing it! They stated in the video on FFTV that Steve Battlemuch confirmed the area was still a waste ground owned by Nottingham City Council and they are not planning to develop it either as they do not have any money to do so anyway! There is also another area that has been offered to Forest and that is an area of land in Toton that I personally think is too far out anyway!
Really good interview. I want to see what price for the freehold here on. No more talk of Toton, the way looks clear to talk.
Rob did great in this. And thanks to Steve for coming across with sincerity and obvious love for Forest.
Fingers crossed that a breakthrough can be reached soon. 👍
Excellent cast boys
After hearing the Owners interview where he mentions a 'stadium and new training ground' (or words very much like that) and then seeing the club try to bend the rhetoric that they're being left with no choice but to move, it feels very much like they're trying to engineer the narrative and set the ground work in the fans minds...that we're heading for a new stadium with training ground next to it. It really does feel like the club are trying to push for this now and I've no doubt it's exactly what the owner wants. Would love it to be something like the new Everton ground, still connected to the city, a good 50,000 size, compact for the atmosphere, although I'd hate to leave just as much.
Just listening to this council bureaucrat you can tell they are being awkward and greedy.
So due to NFFC's progress and brilliance the lease goes up.
I hate the thought of a new stadium but can see it going ahead with idiots like this who 'doesn't want to discuss figures or it's not his area of expertise'.
Sell the freehold.
Forest want a 50000 seater stadium current location looks to be restricted to 40000. Buying freehold won’t allow for enough development, if they could also purchase some adjoining land it might be possible to do on current site. The key is to do so on a plot big enough to build from scratch whilst still playing at current stadium. Rebuilding stand by stand would be financially challenging and would cause several seasons of lost revenue.
Can you imagine not being able to develop the stadium to adequately modernise to provide value for money to fans and generate increased revenue whilst signing up for a 250 year lease (I know we could get out of it - at a cost).
Talk to Bristol City they managed to completely refurbish Ashton Gate whilst still playing there. Plenty of time lapse videos on CZcams. It's an impressive stadium now.
@@jasonlee3218 I’ve been there several times to watch rugby. It’s not a PL stadium by comparison but is better than the City Ground. Everything works! Food and drink facilities etc… The capacity is a few thousand smaller than ours and it’s not always full. My point was to get to 50000 from 30000 bit by bit impacts revenue.
Top debate love it.
Would love to be around that table with the Greek Father.
And why is that then!!!!!!! Cos you waste money Robin Hood energy!!!!!!!!!
Ever considered thinking before commenting.....The losses from Robin Hood Energy are mere peanuts when compared with the 1 Billion funding withheld from Nottingham City Council by this corrupt Tory government..
Such a shame that the Tories can always rely on dimwits who never look beyond their own reflection.
What about the land just over the other side of Radcliffe Road, to the east. Looks like a lot of open land surrounding a rugby pitch and hockey pitch....if NFFC had the whole area giving double the space, could we swap and have the Rugby & hockey clubs on the site of the city ground?
Very informative guys!
A woman of your word, you said you were going to watch it 👍
The major issue we have with the current City Ground, the issue being we can't build any higher than a certain level due to the houses nearby who would lose their light
Is the club able to do what Barcelona did and dig down to create an extra level of seating?
@@wayneb8620 probably not unless the people who are due to sit in those seats wear snorkels along with the players and coaches too as they would probably be under water if we had even just a little rain! The Trent gets so high when it rains and the pitch has always been susceptible to flooding so if we dig down it would disperse the water and raise the water table a little in the area therefore not a very good idea!
I must admit it though that despite the thought of moving from the City Ground isn't perfect as it is our home and has been for nearly 100 years, however the ground near BBC Radio Nottingham would be a better alternative than moving to Toton which is not ideal for anyone , especially if you rely on public transport. The thought of moving out that far would be dreadful when we would rather stay near the Trent and Trent Bridge which the Island Site is rather close to as it is literally about 500 yards from site to site. The incinerator could eventually be moved to the site of the City Ground eventually as could the Transport Depots for the City Council too once the new upgraded City ground has been built on the Island Site then it could work and they would have a much larger footprint to work with than the Current City Ground occupies therefore it would be an ideal alternative if the City Council would be willing to do a partial swap and temporary ground share lol. I think it could work if the new City Ground is built first and then the new incinerator is built at the old City Ground site then put into operation, then the old one can be demolished and the ground prepared for other facilities that Forest could utilise to a Hotel even if they wanted to build one like many of the other Premiership Clubs have got. That could be an option looking forward! We could even buy the whole ground location which has been waste ground since the end of World War 2 anyway therefore any usage would be better than its current usage! They could offset the cost by selling the City Ground If allowed to buy it in the first instance and then a swap deal could be the order of the day!
Gotta say guys… fascinating stuff👍🌳🌳🏹🏹
Glad you enjoyed it mate :)
I’m sorry but a council as a landowner can’t alter a lease based on the business performance of the leaseholder. Pay more if you’re in Europe! Disgraceful position.
Sorry Steve, that answer about not seeing detail is rubbish. I served as a Councillor for 10 years I knew the detail especially when you are part of the controlling group.
If you are the one picking the phone up to Tom then you know the detail otherwise you are overreaching and on that basis why would Tom be speaking to you.
Agreed he's the portfolio holder, he should be all over the numbers.
You did serve there once times have changed
Typical politician not saying anything but talking a lot.
The only thing clear to me ,is that Forest either buy the freehold or move , otherwise they will always be a "mismanagement" away from being held to ransom by the council.
It makes me laugh that this episode is serious Rob speaking articulatly with his glasses on. A bit different to ranting about sacking Nuno on the spot if we let a corner in on GOR lol 🤣🤣🤣
I can do serious!
@@Arctic_Fox_NFFC …bless you, I came here after just watching you with the turnip guy, fascinating, and learned some new things about my home town… somehow I missed this news about The Ground being under threat…even though I have some very wonderful diehard Forest relatives…so now I am informed on that too, thank you (…ooh and I’m sure I recognise Mr Battlemuch from school…he was a staunch Labour ‘man’ when he was 12years old boy as I remember! 😊… really enjoyed your good work, and talking style 🙏
A ground rent should be at a set price and not go up depending on how much Forest are earing.
(I don't) If I rented a house, my rent wouldn't go up or down depending on how much money I earned at my job. What is the difference?
I don't agree with Rob on politics but I am glad that he grilled the councillor and ripped into Liebour.
The difference is this pathetic, useless liebour council we have. They keep sucking all the money out of Nottm with their year-on-year maximum council tax rates of 4.99% and so much more. They are completely incompetent, waste our money, then keep taxing us more for their mistakes.
Toton would be ok for transport as it has the large end of the tram line hub that takes 20 mins to get to city …. At the train station…it would fairly easy to get to by road as it’s less than 5mins from M1.
It would be easy for me lol, but I think the club needs to be more central….
I went to Brighton away...omg miles from the town it's impossible to park
Oh misty rolling in from the Leen!!
We will definitely get a new stadium from maranakis latest interview...
Toton has the tram link
it's not forest's fault that the council is bankrupt and screwed.
We need a stadium not a ground we need to bring in more revenue
What about county halls 🤣🤣🤣🌳🌳🏹🏹
Whats it matter if we're a prem league club? Your valuing the land, not our league status. What am I missing here?
Mr. Maranakis takes no bullshit, that's obvious, so expect a new stadium if a deal on the freehold doesn't happen. Lease isn't going to happen.
Council should be giving the City Ground to the club.
New ground for me
How about a swap deal then where that incinerator is concerned, could that not be moved to the City Ground site? And the Depots could be moved to the City Ground too!
The incinerator is not where I am proposing to build. The wasteland on the other side of the railway (to the North) is perfect.
@Arctic_Fox_NFFC already owned by Conygar who are developing it out. Too late to build the new CG there.
@@richardrobinson3584 The area I was suggesting is near the BBC building as is a large area of waste ground owned by the City Council as per the comments about it in the CZcams video from FFTV with a senior Council Worker who said it was still owned by the Council and didn't have any building plans readily agreed. They also stated there was a larger footprint available than that occupied by the City Ground itself too!
@@markdermody9698 I know, its not owned by the council at all. They tried to CPO it a few years ago as they were frustrated that the previous owner sat on it doing nothing. Anyway, Conygar bought it and are developing it. See their website if you don't beleive me.
@@richardrobinson3584 the land I am on about is still definitely available for development as of last night because it is talked about by the Council representative confirming the availability of the land and it would be even closer to the City Centre therefore easier to access than the WFCG itself!
Toton is a tram terminus????
Unless a tram terminus has been built in Toton sidings in the last few years that I'm not aware of, it doesn't exist. I worked on the railway for years, and worked out of a few of the offices that used to be on Toton sidings for about 5 yrs.
Working with the Derby lads, there was some great banter
Brian clough .. 3 tier!!!!! Like. The scousers did with their .. new Peter Taylor… job done…
Get the football out of the way so we know what next season holds but then get this sorted before Maranakis pulls the trigger!
Forest fans should start a local political party in Nottingham and run for Council.
Get Rob in charge
Here’s a simple rule of thumb. Whenever politicians are involved it all goes pear shaped.
I get the feeling forest hierarcy want the move elsewhere
I think you are right Marinakis seems to want a 50000 seater stadium and the only way he can reastically get that is by building a new stadium
As a non-local Forest fans like Mr Marinakis, I don’t have much memories with the City Ground and don’t have much objection to move elsewhere. It is not surprise the owner wants to build a new stadium elsewhere. It is an ambitious idea to have 50000 seats stadium. The current approved City Ground expansion is a bit waste of money and time. How many seats are added? 6000 or 7000 but it cost over 100M is not worth.
going to be a lot harder to get 50k people to Toton then the central ground in the city
Conflict of interest here. Even worse, it's a Labour councillor. Not listening this crap. I am sure the councillor is in breach of the 7 principles of public life.
“Breach of the 7 principles of public life”.....Jesus wept..Where the xxxx have you been for past 14 years of Tory corruption,incompetence,and unprecedented dishonesty!...
Lets not forget that he is a labour councillor...blaming the government
Let’s not forget 14 years of Tory mismanagement and every aspect of the UK in decline!….Let’s blame a Labour councillor…Jesus H..
@rebelcityred1624 how the fck has 14 years of mis management of the country got to do with the city ground
Just pay the council the money, it's a month of Origis wages