The biggest myth about Jesus | N.T. Wright at UT Austin
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- N.T Wright (University of St. Andrews) explores how the gospel accounts undermine the biggest myth about Jesus. | University of Texas Austin, 2014 | View full forum at • The Bible: Gospel, Gui... | Explore more at www.veritas.org.
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I remember first hearing this paradigm and being immediately dismissive. However, as the years have gone by, the beauty of the Gospel, Kingdom of Heaven, and ultimate fulfillment of God's plan for humanity through the new creation is so vibrant and clear! The story of the Bible ends as it began; Humanity and God together on Earth. To be able to take part in this through faith in Jesus is just remarkable!
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My journey in this direction started 10 years ago (after a seed was planted 20 years ago when a respected pastor told me he couldn't tell me how to get to heaven). It takes a while because we hold so tightly to our current paradigms and worldviews... no one likes the feeling of being wrong and we tend to avoid it ;-) . But Wright's point is valid and I would dare say "embedded" in Scripture; throughout the entire Biblical narrative. Once you see it, everything comes to life; the purpose of the church, your individual purpose and character, all our relationships, and the security of our future in Christ. ...even long-held labels such as righteousness and justification find larger and more profound expression as hope comes to life. Give yourself time to consider. And if there is one resource that I can recommend from NT Wright "The Day the Revolution Began" lays it out fairly well. ...never stop being curious about Scripture. The Gospel does not fit on a bumper sticker. It's too grand!
Well put. 🙏
That second sentence is so true. Well said.
I have had a similar experience in my journey, and it is incredibly refreshing, meaningful and lifegiving. As you said, "everything comes to life."
His book “Simply Jesus” draws these ideas out further, in a straightforward but authoritative way. Plus you can read it with that excellent British accent in your head, so it makes for an enlightening experience ;)
Wright's views make so much sense of what is happening in the gospels.
Currently reading Tom Holland's 'Dominion' and really understand what he means that by better understanding antiquity allows a contrast to see quite how radical Jesus and Paul were
When I read the Bible and my minds eye fixed on the cross I experienced a supernatural love and peace that I soon realized was the very same baptism of the Holy Spirit in scripture. You are so right. I didn’t learn a better way of living from Jesus, but experienced death and new life.
"I am the Way, the Truth and the Life; no one comes unto the Father except by me."
Amen. This is a clear statement.
Its clear but there is no proof of jesus having said this. There is very little historical record that is independent and verifiable.
@@vinodt1347 You are too wise for the gospel.
For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and weakness of God stronger than men.
For consider the circumstances of your calling, brothers, that not many of you were wise by human standards, not many powerful, not many of noble birth.
Instead, the foolish things of the world God chose to shame the wise,
and the weak things of the world God chose to shame the strong.
(1 Cor 1:25-27)
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"Comes unto the Father" is not in regard to a location in space, or a place in "another dimension". God the Father is omnipresent. Spiritual nearness to God is to become like God, in holiness. Ultimately, there is no other way of holiness, other than in Christ, as he is the holiness and dwelling place of God.
"Now having been questioned by the Pharisees as to when the kingdom of God was coming, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed; nor will they say, 'Look, here!' or, 'There!' For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst." --- Luke 17:20
It is quite fascinating to listen to NTW expand one's concept of Jesus' teaching. To say it wasn't advice but a massive announcement of what God was doing in heaven and the world provides one much to think about.
There are so many different interpretations of the scriptures and listening to everyone's interpretations ends up tying you in knots. That's where I'm at, and I'm struggling to have any solid foundation in this faith, but I want to believe.....
Read early church history and the church fathers. Their interpretations of scripture are the most relevant. Anything that is not inspired by a living tradition, like evangelicalism, I would say causes more confusion than anything.
Also, what N T Wright is saying here is close to what the early church believed about the second coming.
@@copticvillage Thanks, have read some early church fathers in the past but will re-visit.
@@copticvillage Lol what? The church father's interpretation is the most relevant? Have you ever heard their sexist interpretations concerning women? They were just men like any other, with their own biases and ideas they read back into the text.
@@user-ib6hs8js2i There are also examples of fathers showing respect and reverence for the role of women in society, seeking to expand the role they play in the life of the church. Its quite an insult to judge the credibility of their exegesis solely based on some fathers view of women. You can find quite a lot of value in their interpretation of scripture, especially because they are unobstructed by the spiritual diseases of our time ie materialism, scientism, enlightenment metaphysics.
Remarkable perspective on the gospel.
No one will enter the Kingdom of God, but through the Son of God
Just because someone believes in something, does not make it true!
Something people really forget is that Christianities heaven is " here in earth ". The new eden . Hence why it is that we need Physical bodies for the new heaven because we will be living a physical existance
Heaven already existed from the very beginning that is before man fell into sin. It was heaven: no death, no ageing, no disease, no sorrow, no pain. But since man fell, the Lord will eventually reestablish heaven on earth, and that is exactly why the Lord sent his only begotten son and so that is the gospel ("good news") that eventually sorrow, pain, disease, ageing, even death will be no more
So then will Jesus be back walking in the 'New Earth' and if so how could he be physically everywhere and be personally with every single person at the same time ?
@@TheHumbuckerboy he doesn't need to in the 1st place. Jesus is not physically everywhere, his Father is
@@TheHumbuckerboy The Dwelling place of God is with mankind .
@@jimiawaydazeawaydaze And what does that actually mean in practical terms ?
@@TheHumbuckerboy In Practical terms ,the slow reversal of this post Eden carnival we call life without God. An ultimate return to our Pre fall condition .
I guess that "nothing in the Gospels about getting into heaven" must ignore the whole Nicodemus encounter! You know that whole being born again/ from above part. Not sure what scholars he is referring to?
Yeah, agreed that NTW is exaggerating a bit, but is correct in how much his kind of point IS in the Gospel, ie the Good News for the POOR in Luke 4, and "clean the cup on the inside" Matt 23. Church doctrines have been selectively petrified. The Quaker-Friends and George Fox´s leading their co-founding are fascinating, leading to W Gladden´s initiating the Social Gospel to FD Roosevelt. You may be more familiar with the conservative theologians and anti-progressive stances....
"Scholars" generally refers to anyone who denies the gospel. The implication is that it is irrational to disagree with Scholars, because they know more than you, and have worldly credibility. Scholars who find Bible-affirming historical (or other) evidence, are not referred to as "scholars", although they are serious scholars. It is an appeal to authority, to say to believers in God, and in Jesus, especially, that all their arguments against God are unassailable, proven in reality. It's not so, but it makes them hard to answer. One guy left me a link to an anti-Bible video, railing that the Bible is a lie. How did he even get a link to not be deleted by CZcams?
Jesus talked to Nicodemus about "seeing the kingdom of heaven". That's not the same as "going to heaven ".
@@stevevince9680 It is pretty close. I reject this kind of religion, which has the life and truth allegorized out of it, to make for a pleasanter tea for Mrs. What's-her-name, and the So-and-So society, and the vicar. So-called "liberal" religion is meaningless and worthless, except to the ones who want that particular "Noble Lie" of control.
@@lindajohnson4204 Agree. The pride of scholars to "correct" ordinary believers is obvious to anyone who has gone through some theological training: I have seen men and women enjoy preaching higher criticism as fact, and peddling recent theories at the expense of even mentioning long-held beliefs. Scholars are constantly on a mission to 'construct theology' and the Bible is just a tool to their ends, rather than the Divinely inspired Book that it is. They are the ones who have altered the scriptures in the area of textual criticism, and bar anyone from challenging some of the assumptions in that area of study.
In these perilous days, look to Christ and let the Spirit teach you, than listen to any scholar. Scholarship yields some interesting facts, but it is Spirit led devotional theology that must incorporate that to prevent 'scholasticism' and rationalism dominating the senses. The Holy Spirit is the best Teacher.
To many professors think they know more than our Lord and savior. He said I will turn the learning of the wise and turn it into nonsense. All human beings intelligence is a mere pebble compared to our Lord and savior. We only know what's given to us from above.
This is confirmation. I agree it's not about heaven. God wants to establish his kingdom on earth.
Absolutely nothing about getting into heaven? Maybe the rich young ruler isn’t part of the Anglican Bible. Or maybe his definition of absolute isn’t absolute.
You’ve half quoted him and turned a phrase out of context. “This is how to get to heaven rather than this or that.”
The statements are made as part of an answer to a larger question. Watch the entire video a couple of times and then judge.
It seems to me you’ve taken a snip-it of a larger conversation and judged the entire conversation on that out context snip. Much like quoting one line of the gospel and saying it defines the entire gospel.
"On earth as in heaven" is the key passage. Kingdom of God language is about this life.
I’m not disagreeing with his conclusion, but oftentimes he overstates his point or is uncharitable towards other interpretation found within orthodoxy. My point is intended to be discrete; the Bible does contain text such as “going (get) to heaven”. Wright says such language is absolutely absent. Again, I fully believe that his is preaching the orthodox position. But at the same time the passages that sound like “going” passages, are not absent. I’m merely commenting that Wright should say that people who think they are “going”to heaven are wrong in their interpretation rather than saying there’s absolutely nothing in the Bible. He is a brilliant man and I am indebted to him for his Son of God book in particular.
Too much spatial and greek thinking clouding the issue plus a bit of our old (but ever present ) gnostic stuff hovering around??
Time to take off the spectacles and consider what is being said here?
The Kingdom of God is the rule of God and..... If the Kingdom can be grasped and( is at hand)- ( that oft quoted Luke verse is not " within ") what does understanding the Gospels message presuppose? Answer. The work of Jesus has initiated the rolling out of Gods restoration of his planet and his family of image bearers- to its former glory and that family to its role as stewards..
What did the 1stc Jews see the temple as representing? ?
The presence of God on earth. What does Rev 21 say ? The dwelling place......( tabernacle John 1 etc )
The Gospel is not advice. It highlights the roadmap to restoration.
The oft (following) used analogy tells us where we are - and prohibits reliance on overreached eschatology.
The cross, reassurection, ascension and Pentecost =:" D-Day".
VE and VJ day followed...
I like the explanation that N.T
Wright exptesses> makes sense!
This interpretation deconstructs patriarchal institutions and structures that oppress the poor, and vulnerable communities such as blacks, women, LBGTQ+, people of disability, POC, etc.
What does this video have to do with any of that? You're imposing your own preoccupations on to what Wright is saying.
UT Austin??? I wonder if L. Michael White was there. I would love to see a dialogue between those two.
I was once a keen reader of NT's work and I have watched the TV program From Jesus to Christianity. There is a clear conflict. It would make a good discussion. The difference as I see it is that NTW is a (historically) functionary of the Anglican Church and as such has to tow their line, which is quite naturally a little out of date. White and his cohort, being from academia are free in what they can say. Find your own Truth is what I say.
Christian morality is not much different from any other morality. But Christian metaphysics says that Jesus is God, and is alive.
Lol….
The assumption that Christian morality, is not unique is just false. Read some history 🤣🤣
@@ugonnaonwuchekwa3614 I swear bro , that’s why I replied " lol "
The thing that happens that turns your life around is changing your mind, metanoia, forgiveness. Then miracles come and you realize the kingdom of heaven is within you, fully forgiven, in the process of being born again.
"If you had known what these words mean, 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the innocent."
You are a sinless spirit, not a sinful body.
"That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit"
What a guy
The Kingdom of God
Getting or going to Heaven should not be humanity’s greatest concern at any point in life and living . Exposing Jesus as a Person any human can emulate in all areas of life is the Gospel of Good News…🙏🙏🙏
Jesus instructed the faithful far differently: "I tell you, many will come from east and west and recline at table with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven, 12 while the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” Matthew 8:11-12
In another passage, Jesus says that heaven and earth (the Universe and planet Earth) "will pass away". Mark 13:31. The Kingdom of Heaven cannot exist (for humans) only on planet Earth, since it will cease to exist on Earth at some time in the future. The Kingdom of Heaven is a place where spirits dwell. God is a spirit, so could God not occupy his own Kingdom if Jesus leaves, unless the Kingdom existed somewhere other than on a rocky planet.
If that's not the most important concern then nobody will end up in heaven, or more correctly, this new earth and kingdom teaching came to tell us about...That's the whole point. To go there...
Well, it's 2000 years since Christ died, how long does the term, coming soon last for.
Well, If a day on Earth is 1,000 days in heaven, then its only been two days for Jesus.
Also in John 14:15,21,23,&24 and other scriptures are replete with the call upon man to obey the teachings of Jesus. It is not a suggestion! Treating God's word like a suggestion is just another escape from obeying Jesus, making him Lord of our life.
How is it that Jesus said "my kingdom is not of this world"?
It means that the origin of the kingdom is not of this world. The kingdom can be of God, yet be established on earth. Dunno. There's no end to interpretations.
To be "of something" is to be made up of that something. To consist of what it consists of. Jesus was saying that His kingdom is not made up of things of which earthly kingdoms are made: tangible physical geography, political power, money, military strength. His kingdom is a kingdom made up of the things of the spirit: self-sacrificial love, peace, joy, patience, humility, forbearance, compassion, etc.
This professor is very shallow
What Jesus says about men if far more important than what men say about Jesus. Jesus teachings are also 100% unbiased accurate while unrepentant skeptics and critics seek to justify their own pride.
pain. suffering. sin. death. that's not heaven.
We are the first fruits. We are heaven on earth. Those who are of this world who cause pain & suffering & sin & death by cooperating with the god of this world are trying to bring you from heaven back to earth. You must resist & continue to be heaven on earth.
all have sinned@@BingoNamo-gb8pz
The kingdom of heaven has already come with Jesus. If we believe in the gospel, we have already obtained eternal life, that is, the kingdom of heaven is with us. In other words, instead of asking, Am I saved, Christians should ask themselves. Am I enjoying heaven now in my life? If no, I either don't understand the gospel or I don't believe it.
The kingdom of Rome was in Pontius Pilate, the legions of soldiers, the supporting crews from the Roman empire, but that did not stop Rome from being an actual city in a particular place. If Jesus spoke of heaven as a place, as well as a spiritual kingdom, and He did, we need to keep that reality in focus, not just squint, until it blurs into an acceptable, tamed allegory.
The way I see it, the most important thing is to strive to live as Jesus did in all ways possible and have faith that things will be ok in the end. How, where, or when is not for us to argue about and, in my opinion, is very unfruitful. Faith is the answer.
More than that. True faith is living as a citizen of the kingdom of God, Not just two live as a citizen of this earthy kingdom but of the kingdom to come,
This is not exactly correct--when Pilate asks Jesus "are you a king?" Jesus replies, "my kingdom is not of this world."
Pontius Pilate asked Jesus a straight question " Are you the King of the Jews". Jesus replied " You have said so". This is not true. Pontius Pilate was asking Jesus if he was the king of the Jews, not telling him he was. If a stranger went up to King Charles III and asked " Are you the King of England" Charles would reply " Yes, I am" If the stranger went up to a man in the street and asked " Are you the King of England", the man in the street would reply " No, I'm not". in neither case would the reply have been " You have said so".
What is not true? What's your point?
How about the emphatic affirmatve, "You said it brother!" or "You said it buddy!" in English and American? Granted the king of England would not reply like this, but a man in the street might answer a question in this way; it's all a matter of culture. I understand that that, in Jewish (especially polite) culture of the time, Jesus's form of reply, looking like a plain statement, was a quite common way of emphatically saying, "Yes".
When Prof. Wright compares Jesus teachings with that of the Roman emperors, the truth of Jesus is revealed. Jesus called himself, “Son of Man.” Who was the Roman emperor in the 1st century?
Its called theosis ☦️
J.I. Packer has a great line: N T Wright foregrounds what the Bible backgrounds, and backgrounds what the Bible foregrounds but Wright does more than that; he denies a crucial component of justification, namely imputation. So, in answer to your question, yes-in denying imputation,
Wright is preaching another gospel.
this guy epitomizes what Paul said in 1 Timothy 6:21 for by professing it some have swerved from the faith.
No, MCM, that’s not what he said. What he said was there is nothing in the gospels telling us HOW TO GET TO HEAVEN (formulaically, I think), as all mere teachers of religion do.
Instead, Jesus - and the Gospel writers and apostles after Him - were concerned with God’s kingdom coming to earth, through the work of Christ and our following Him, as His kingdom is already in heaven.
They - what he said and what you said he said - are not the same. …
There is a lot in the Gospels expressly or implicitly about getting into heaven
Matt 6 :“Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven...... For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also;
Jno 14 “Let not your hearts be troubled. Believe in God; believe also in me. In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Jno 6 This is the bread that comes down from heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die. I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever.
Luke 15 Just so, I tell you, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance.
Jno 3.16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
Yes, it would have been interesting if the interviewer had raised these passages of scripture with Tom Wright .
I'm learning as I go, but those all are read much more in favor of the stance that NT Wright made than as evidence against it.
Matthew 6 is all on a theme explaining how people would participate in the new kingdom, not how to get in. How they were not bound to an attitude of scarcity or fear in this kingdom, as they were in the Roman or Greek or Egyptian or Babylonian kingdoms. This theme is explained throughout the chapter. That'd be like giving a person saying "relax, things are going to be fine" and then someone else interpreting it as a threat that and if they don't relax, they're going to get harmed.
John 14 is explicit in the more of the depiction that NT Wright is giving. It's talking about the work that God is doing, Jesus and the Father. It parallels with the traditional Jewish betrothal that the audience would undoubtedly be familiar with. He was also talking in present tense about preparing the place. Which would be the teaching as a Rabbi to the masses, and later dying on the cross for humanity, both on Earth, not in an abstract elsewhere. Coincidentally, the bride in this situation did not have to do something to "get into" the prepared place. She could accept the offer of marriage or reject it.
John 6. Again, the living bread that came down from heaven. Not a living escalator that takes you up to somewhere else.
Luke 15: Again, describes what the kingdom of God is like, not how to get in.
John 3:16. Read all of John 3. He mentions in just two verses shy of the popular 3:16 that no one has gone up into heaven but the Son of Man who has descended from it. He elaborates that light has come into the world but people have loved the darkness. Not that light was created elsewhere and people couldn't get in. It's about the work God has done and was doing at that point, and how some people have fled and continue to flee from it. Darkness, just like in Matthew 6, was about fear and distrust in God.
All of those verses were about what God was doing, and how Jesus was preparing the way.
One strong point Wright makes is about how the contemporary popular idea of heaven doesn't take root in the Bible, those elements are more in Gnostic and Platonic thought. Both of which are preached against in Jude.
the way to go through heaven is to follow the 10 commandments and love each other. Full stop.
That’s not the way. That’s the result of entering heaven (or heaven entering you). God gave the law to Moses, but grace came through Jesus. Notice Jesus is never described as “the law” but the Way the Truth the Life. Obeying the 10 commandments has very little to do with who God is. God is love. God is merciful. God is long suffering. God is good. God is kind. God is gentle. God is forgiving. How? Through the law? No. Through Christ Jesus, through His blood, through His promise. Without the free gift of eternal life you cannot love, you cannot obey the 10 commandments. Jesus said the greatest commandment is to love God & 2nd is to love your neighbor as yourself. If you are obeying the 10 commandments to get into heaven your motive is self seeking & you have not love. “Love is not self seeking.”
The good news is that the kingdom that Jesus ushered in is for all people...of all religions or no religion. He made it possible to repair the relationship with God and bring us back to Eden....that place of perfect obedience to the Father who created us.
Small problem. Jesus said "If you want to see paradise, keep the commandments." Mt. 19:17
The gospel according to Christ, IS THE COMING KINGDOM OF GOD. Matters concerning Christ, are secondary to the gospel.
Mt. 24:14
Mk. 1:14-15
Acts 28;31
@Jim Kennedy Didn't you read any of the passages I cited?
If Christ declared the gospel, and CALLED IT THE GOSPEL, there is no more important gospel. Acts 28:31 proves it.
1Corinthians 15:24 testifies to it.
If the gospel CAME FROM CHRIST, the gospel ABOUT HIM is secondary to the gospel from him. Lo and behold, it is Mt. 24:14. Lo and behold, it is in the 2nd sentence of the Lord's prayer, " thy kingdom come ".
And all this time in your Sunday keeping, you thought the teaching of salvation was THE gospel.
The Rich Man and Lazarus - EW Bullinger - read it - maybe you will gain some insight into Gods Word-
the preaching of the kingdom was to ISRAEL as a fulfillment of prophecy. teh gospel of a mysterious dispensation of grace with several other mysteries were the hidden program revealed to Paul when ISRAEL REJECTED (largely) their messiah. THis is God's will to make israel jealous. there is a heaven when you die and there is a coming literal kingdom on earth in the future.
Jesus came for the Jews,
N T Wrong!!!
It's God's will that is in heaven and on over the earth.
Not the 'Kingdom of heaven' on THIS earth but over the earth in our hearts and through God's will. Jesus' Millennial/a reign; the last days; a day is like a 'chilia' years..... until the last day. Acts 2 "has in these last days," that began 2000 years ago.
The 'amillennial' view is correct.
The last day of the resurrection of the body and soul together either to be eternal in the new heaven and new earth or to be destroyed in the lake of fire, which is the second death.
Revelation20:10-15
And, it was not the kingdom of the Romans that our Messiah came for but for, the kingdom of the Jews.
The Jews rejected their Messiah and then the gospel was gone out into the world/kosmos
Jesus Christ/ Yashua was the Messiah for the nation of Israel in the 1st century and is the Messiah/ Savior of the world, slain from the foundation of the world/Kosmos to who so ever believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life.
Everyone can have their own interpretation of what Jesus meant. So much for the message from God delivered by his own son.
What is so difficult to understand? Jesus spoke in plain words and sometime illustrated his messages with parables. His message is simple.
Matthew 18 .3 : Jesus said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven." And Luke 18.17: "Truly I tell you, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.”
Everyone can have their own interpretation but that DOESN’T mean that every interpretation is equally valid?! It is possible to be in error (to determine whether or not one is in error there must be an objective standard by which to evaluate one’s interpretation)? Simonline 🇬🇧🤔🙏😀👍
@JD-ro7xe
Jesus said, " I Am the way the truth and the life, nobody comes to the Father except through Me " There is only one way to interpret that. Religion confuses the simplicity of God's Word that's why we need to listen to the Word for yourself and not follow Religion. Jesus condemned religious leaders calling them vipers and sons of Satan. Jesus doesn't want religion, He wants relationship. Maranatha.
I take it this is a debate about who goes to heaven?
Nobody even remotely said anything of that sort in the video.
That he is a myth
Certainly a pleasant thought, but it goes against all observable reality. The earth is not a better place since Jesus came, was crucified, and was resurrected. He clearly said the he was the kingdom of heaven. Peace, forgiveness, and righteousness are in him and not in this world. That will only happen when he creates a New Heaven and Earth. This earth and the heavenlies will be burned up. It is all about Jesus and his news creation. He will bring that about and not us.
Nothing about going to heaven? What? Jesus spoke much about going to heaven … the Olivet Discord. He told his disciples . “ in my fathers house are many mansions, I must go away to prepare a place for you and I will come again and receive you unto me, that where I am, there you may be also.
I think Jesus was talking about the new Jerusalem. Heaven is different.
@@zZParabellumZz Everyone has their own interpretation about what Jesus meant. So much for the message from God delivered by his own son.
@@JD-ro7xe Yeah no, Jesus was pretty clear on that. The problem is us trying to look for something else in the text other than what's clearly written on it.
@@zZParabellumZz so by that train of thought, the Father's house is...
New Jerusalem? 🤔
@@Corrinthian_ ...Yes? Have you not read revelations?
Repent, for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand - Yeshua the Messiah, our Lord and Saviour, Son of God, Son of Man. That is the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven that Yeshua preached and taught His apostles, disciples and His early Church through the Holy Spirit.
Your talking just for the Sake of talking you clearly ,have no understanding nor can you when all you want to here is the sound of you own voice along with a lot of others, those who understand, don't make so much ridiculous noise.
The kingdom is inside of us. Its not a place here or there. Jesus tried to teach us how to see the kingdom. He said we are gods and if our eye be single we would be filled with light and see the kingdom.
The Kingdom of God is very clearly a place. Jesus is said to be there currently (Luke 24:52). Jesus ascended into heaven.
@@sweetxjc Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.” (Luke 17:21)
"The kingdom is within (indoctrinated heads)."
@@sweetxjc Amen.
@@genocanabicea5779 Among you, Jesus being presnt with them at the time.
So Jesus gave out some 'good advice' about how to live a moral life. Well, considering the role that Christianity has played in war, torture, child abuse, the oppression of people, etc., that worked out really well then!
Wrong. All of Jesus' teachings were about how to be saved and how to go to heaven. The kingdom of heaven is literally a place believers in Christ go to be with him after death.
‘Seven Times: Egypt to Istanbul’ outlines the Daniel prophetic timeline as it is meant to be interpreted. It was confirmed by ‘Samuel’ messages in 2011-2012. The result is that Daniel’s 1,335th year from the abomination of desolation of the Temple Mount falls in 2024 give or take a few months. The 1,335th is the last milestone of Daniel 12 and therefore is an end time marker.
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Always don't learn Christian doctrine from N. T. Wrong!
Why not?
@@pleaseenteraname1103 because he's a false teacher
@@johnmuriangoHow so? Because he doesn’t agree with creationists and people who believe the Bible is innerent and should be taken literal in every passage? You would be shocked to read the Bible in its original form. They purposely mistranslated sections in order to push a narrative. If anything, it’s creationists who are false teachers. N.T. Wright reads biblical Greek and has an astounding amount of knowledge of the early Christian’s, their way of life, and their church. Saying he’s a false teacher is nonsense. If he is a false teacher, the burden is on you to prove it. Good luck bud.
@@johnmuriango he's a scholar who has spent decades earnestly studying the scriptures, but we're supposed to believe you when you say he's a false teacher?
@@cjlc93 true Biblical scholarship lead people to Christ, as the Scriptures is about Him. However, the teachings of N. T. Wright are contrary to what the Bible teaches. Just take time and research to see.
I find the musings of NT Wright so disappointing. Sometimes he just can't see the wood for the trees. Jesus, most definitely spoke of His saved people going to heaven. I think it is time for NT Wright to leave his ivory tower and to join the Lord's people preaching the gospel to sinners.
N.T. Wrong
I disagree, and this sounds strange. Jesus will not be healing people in heaven 😂. Also, it’s been stated several times that this universe with pass away and their will be a new one that Christ has prepared for us. There are many rooms in his Fathers house.
so wrong Jesus speaks of paradise
Paradise is not heaven
Still Dr. Wright does not believe that Jesus of Nazareth is the second person of the Trinity, does he?
The biggest myth about Jesus is that he is God ?! 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Absolutely nowhere does the Bible declare that Jesus is divine.
What the Bible declares is that there is only ONE Divine Creator/Saviour (Isa.43:10-13) and that ONE God has incarnated as the HUMAN Messiah, Jesus of Nazareth in order to achieve as human what He CANNOT achieve as Divine (Jn.1:29).
If YHWH, by Nature, is Immortal then He CANNOT die. If Jesus is Divine (God) then he CANNOT die either and we are ALL still dead in our trespasses and sins?!
We CANNOT eat our cake and have it. Either Jesus is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world or he is God in which case, he is Immortal?!
It is the Messiah who is both Divine Creator and human creature by means of the hypostatic union (ONE Person simultaneously existing as TWO distinct but NOT separate Natures).This means that Jesus is no more God (Mk.13:32; Lk.2:52; Jn.14:28) than YHWH is human (Num.23:19: Jn.4:24)?! Simonline 🇬🇧🤔🙏😀👍
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Say what?? Makes no sense....🥱😵
Loooool.