His Therapist Made Him Kill Her - Law & Order
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- McCoy and Southerlyn discover their defendant's therapist manipulated him into killing an ex girlfriend for him.
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From Season 14, Episode 4 "Shrunk" - Detectives link the murder of an actress to a member of her therapy group, then focus their attention on a Tony-winning songwriter.
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I can't imagine having a settlement discussion with the manipulator present.
Yes preferred outcome not likely.
I don't understand why he was present.
@@mitchand9 D R A M A
@@mitchand9 because the defendant requested his Dr be present.
@@debbiefelts5640 The defense lawyer should’ve ordered him out after the reveal.
His trust in his doctor damned him to a fate worse than death. How tragic.
@@Deke1 😳
it's make believe
@@danielwharton4088 we know! Geezus xrist
Uh you do know death is actually worse right!?
@@matthewforsyth284 No it's not. Death is immediate. Staying in prison for decades if not for life is a slow, agonizing road to death.
Doctor: they’re just playing their games
Lawyer: well can I play too?
Loved that! She saw something more was going on and wanted to use it to help her client
Too bad for her that Barrett had a tighter hold over him.
J. Jonah Jameson
Why would they have the shrink in the room when they're trying to get the guy to admit the shrink put him up to it? Not realistic.
Exactly what I was thinking I mean it is just not logical.
Because if they dont... there is no proof that what he said or would not have said was truthful. Wouldn't the doc be in there to help him chill or whatever?
Because the writers wrote it that way.
Also, they really thought to play mind games... against a shrink? Why?
@@felipepineda1585 yeah wel, they should’ve gotten another shrink because this doctor can manipulate him into not testifying.
Tfw when you run out of pictures of Spiderman so you decide to become a therapist
opposite. he ran out of patients and became a lunatic selling newspapers
When Lex Luthor decides to take his rage out on his mother instead of on Superman
How come there’s no Criminal Intent clips yet?
Have you watch Superhero movie 2009? There a J.J.J joke you have to see
And then seek counseling from Dr. Emil Hamilton.
Poor Mr. Meyers, his psychiatrist is twisted and sick on a whole new level!
This pissed me off, McCoy should've been able to have the scumbag therapist removed and stripped of his licence.
He would've been able to do FAR more than that.
It's always interesting seeing the same actors playing different characters in key roles in different episodes. I believe this therapist was also an evangelical mega church pastor on SVU.
Robert Foxworth.
Been around for a long time.
Lead on 80s soap falcons crest with Jane Wyman.
@@mercedyzmarieguion292 and banged Elizabeth Montgomery
Foxworth also played the father an son on law an order when the father slept with the sons wife sn got her pregnant i domt remember if he was the father or the son. But they was actually father an son I. Real life as well. Both Foxworth have played on the law an order svu an law an order. It was nest seeing them play together. They killed their roles. Tge father wad so cold hearted about sleeping sn getting the son's wife pregnant.
Foxworth also played in Star Trek DS9
‘Well can I play to’ 😂 she was welling to turn against the doctor.
She was just unwilling to play guessing games.
I love the guest stars they get in the Law & Order franchise
I like the franchise more than the original law and order to be honest even though the original one is still one of the best crime shows
I’m going nuts! Who is he? I recognize him, but can’t place him.
@@OFWarhhbTN Which guy? I know the killer played Lex Luthor in some early Superman joint.
@@OFWarhhbTN JK Simmons, he was the conductor in Whiplash and the editor in chief for the Daily Bugle in Spider-Man
yes I am sorry 😞
If they show Markham slept with the victim, they should get his license yanked since that is how he defines himself.
BTW, if the therapist sounds familiar, that was Robert Foxworth, who was the second voice for Race Bannon in The Real Adventures of Jonny Quest, Emil Hamilton in Justice League Unlimited, and Ratchet in the Bayformer movies.
Great actor 🎥Thank You
Also the widower of Elizabeth Montgomery.
And best known as chase gioberti in the show falcon crest
And the defendant played lex luthor in louis and clark
Robert Foxworth was also Admiral Leyton in the Star Trek: Deep Space Nine two part episode “Homefront”
1:21 "... In _your_ opinion." I think this would be a possible objection. If she has a problem with an expert witness, that should've been brought up in _voir dire._
That's true of every expert witness. They give their opinion based on their expertise.
Her comment is just driving that home to the jury.
"If Mr. Trotter... wishes to voir dire the witness... I'm sure... he'll be more than satisfied."
What's that all mean?
I'm a newb in us law jargon
@@tessl8984 I realize your comment is a year old but if the other side wants to bring in an expert witness you are allowed to question that witness to make sure they really are an expert. This is important because while regular witnesses can only testify to what they saw and heard expert witnesses are allowed to give their opinion.
From watching this clip of the psychiatrist and John tells me that there were a lot of holes in the therapist story meaning he planned on having the girl be killed except John was the one who done it. The part where his house looked like it was broken into the lady who worked for him staged it to keep him from being blamed. She ought to be sentenced for doing that. 🤔
Doc: “don’t take two pills, go kill somebody and call me in the morning. Good session!”
Namely somebody that happened to be another patient who he was intimately involved with, and threatened to destroy his career.
Am I the only one that still loves the shaking affect of the camera
That guy is wonderful at playing grade-A sleazbags. I wish I could remember where I've seen him as the bad guy before.
Fathered his own grandchildren in SVU.
Admiral in Deep Space Nine that tries to overturn Federation government
@@cyberchaplain yes! That's it! How'd I miss that?
Admiral Leyton, DS9
These stories are based off real actual things and I just can’t…I just can’t even imagine what the person was going through but still that is just sick!
Not all. And sometime they change the outcomes of true events
Jack Mccoy is so brilliant
The defendant was Lex Luthor in Lois and Clark.
Actor John Shea
Also the antagonist in Honey I Blew Up the Kid
John Shea had also played Charles Horman in Missing (1982) with Jack Lemmon and Sissy Spacek.
@@mikebasil4832 Came here to say that.
Good movie👍@@mikebasil4832
Doctor's orders...to the extreme.
"he knew what he was doing and we know he knew because at Farmer's... We are....oops, my bad..."
He wanted those pictures of Spider-Man.
Smh. He should have taken McCoy s advice!
His lawyer should have spoken to him alone separately. Having the shrink right there seriously influenced him to do what he did.
This was a great crossover of Law & Order and The Silence of the Lambs
That's what happens when you go to Cave Johnson for therapy.
It's the guy from the "seen a thing or two" insurance commercials.
Yeah the fact he was in oz gives those words a different meaning
He was Spiderman's boss, too.
Taking the fall for that person....😞
❤️Serena (Jack McCoy's assistant) was the most beautiful woman on this show, like ever❗
Yes so thought she was very beautiful too. She had a soft demeanor about her and she didn’t have a problem going against Jack. I remember when she got fired....
@@Heavenzvoice Yes, and yes for a good cause...
I agree, she's beautiful, but I loved Angie Harmon's character better.
Such a good show , Jerry and Chris come back.
Jerry died 17 years ago.
saying the man youre testifying for is a liar is an interesting defense strategy
Why since he saw his mom kill his dad when he was a teenager wasn't his mom in prison? If she was in prison a lot of his issues wouldn't he wouldn't have because of her.
I think she was but in an insane asylum
6:13 love the banter
The female lawyer was the social worker in the short lived CBS drama The Guardian, which starred the same guy who played The Mentalist.
So Myers was some sort of mix of Phil Spector and Brian Wilson.
People nodding reminds me of my therapist, specially when I’m rambling on and on not making a whole lot of sense about things that are totally unrelated but she seems to make sense out of them
Clocks and watches remind me of my therapist the way her eyes dart back and forth between me and the time
-Everything reminds me of my therapist
Nancy Tucker
I have a question….for the defense, they said John was schizophrenic and heard his mother’s voice manipulating him and that drove him to kill.
However, don’t schizophrenic patients hear several people’s voices and not voices of people that they know?
I’m honestly just curious and asking. I’m sure many patients have different symptoms.
Usually yes. They hear multiple voices. My mom was a severe bipolar and schizophrenic. She self medicated the same as John Myers in this episode.
@@DianaMaeBabyGirl thank you for the information! I’m so sorry about your mom though! I hope she’s better now.
It's different for every person. There are those who hear multiple voices and they don't recognize them, but I think in his case his schizophrenia was trauma induced. In which case it wouldn't be out of the question that he only hears one voice and it being his mother.
It wasn’t quite the therapists tempo
Evil is as evil does
Wow! John Shea, Robert Foxworth, AND JK Simmons?
Lex Luthor, Emil Hamilton, and Wade Eiling walk into a courtroom...
The bigger the star the more likely they are the killer.
This ish giving me Norman bates vibes
The second guy looks like the one who fathered his grandchild episode
Yeah same guy
Hey that Doc witness on the stand is the same guy on Prison show OZ. Must have got a good education in there (LOL).
Yeah he was head of the Arian brotherhood. His name is Schilinger... lol
The first time I saw him on here I died laughing. Considering his character on Oz. You do know a lot of Oz cast mates have appeared on here. You do know Elliot was the prison mate who played a gay lover in Oz. His lover has appeared on this show too!!
Here’s one... Law and Order Criminal Intent? The female partner of the guy is the female on Oz who was on death row... all the guards were sexually abusing her...
It took me a while to put that together but that’s her.
*A reference to a recognised actor who is in other movies and shows*
That therapist sounds like Agent 47.
We definitely need a reboot of this.
As long as SVU is still on the air, that's unlikely since it's a spin off to the original and exist in its continuity
Wish granted.
early to a law and order video
When I first saw John I thought he was the thinker from The flash TV show
So, does it end like that?
The manipulating party IN THE FREAKING ROOM!? Never ever
We just gonna ignore the Friday the 13th/Halloween cameo🤣
No. Where?
Both therapist and patient should be convicted. The therapist is guilty of conspiracy to commit murder. The patient Guilty But Mentally Ill for the murder.
This is just about the end of the episode, however there is a little bit more where McCoy points out that eventually Meyers, when he's away from his doctor's influence, will realize he's been used and will crack. The doctor realizes it too, and now it's just a waiting game for when Meyers decides he wants to speak and testify against him.
GIVE THAT MAN PICTUES OF SPIDERMAN!
In real life, they would of never had the client and the therapist being accused of therapeutic manipulation in the same room bc the therapist who has seen his patient has a pattern of manipulative behaviors and signals that continue to control the client. Very subtle head nods and actual physical touch which in this would of never been permitted. Mr. Meyers was a highly suggestable patient with a serious mental health diagnosis. Plus, he was being weaned off of a very strong anti-psychotic. It was a perfect storm, and his therapist knew it. He didnt have to out right tell his client to kill someone in order for him to do it. That smug therapist is clever but manipulative and heartless. He danced around the subject and made him believe that their therapeutic relationship was in jeopardy seeing how mr. Meyers finally felt like he genuinely wanted to help him. So he did what did to protect their relationship at the perceived threat of losing the therapist. Sick!!!! And unfortunately people like him exist in mental health today.
Pure Alfred Hitchcock
Is there anything JK Simmons hasn't been in?
Well whaddaya know...J. Jonah Jameson was a Psychiatrist...
...when he's not selling Farmer's insurance.
Does anyone know how it ended
Sorry off topic.
Can we get a few season 7-9 clips? I need some Jamie Ross and Abbie Carmichael in my life!
Yeah since peacock became a thing it looks like they decided to stop at season 5, pretty disappointing
@@billobong9792 Very disappointing, since Peacock can only stream seasons 14-20.
@@Pretty_Mess Yeah which is why they started showing clips seasons 13 onward, because that’s what’s on peacock, a shame as for me anyway the last 8 seasons pale in comparison to the first 8, ever since it disappeared from Netflix it hasn’t appeared since and I hope it will come again, but anyway I just continue to watch on syndication or the dvds
@@billobong9792 I agree, the later seasons weren’t as good. Which is why I put off buying the box set. But since it may be years before Peacock has the entire series, I guess I’ll go ahead and buy it. Instead of begging for clips. 😂
@@Pretty_Mess Yeah I bought seasons 1-11 on dvd, didn’t bother with 12 onward, and it’s a shame that the original network that had law and order can’t even get all the seasons on its own streaming service, but I digress
Robert Foxworth (the doctor) is always good in anything he's in. A very talented actor. Probably best known for Falcon Crest, but I always remember him for playing a corrupt admiral on Star Trek: Deep Space Nine and also for having been the husband of Bewitched's Elizabeth Montgomery.
We know a thing or two because we’ve seen a thing or two
He was on oz so I believe him
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Is the guy who was manipulated by his therapist the guy who played Lex Luthor in Lois and Clark?????
Yes
So was that the end of it? The real bad guy won
Ami Brabson!!
I guess they’re going to trial.
James Jonah Jameson is a cruel man
This is horrendous heartbreaking and Fatal 💔🤬🚨✍🏻If you have a loved one under a Dr’s care who has money They are in danger !!!!!!
Which year is this episode?
2003-2004
season 14 episode 4
It is never normal for 3 hour sessions many times a day unless their is an affair or you are brainwashing them into your killing machine.
I have some issues with “ psychiatrist doctors “ !
They sometimes push their patients into murky waters , making them do things , and believing they are somebody else !
Depends on the doctor. I had some shitty ones that (Not that far) but did try to push me on meds I said I didn't need. My current one I've had for over a decade is nitpicky with medication and what he gives. So much so he won't give it for issues he feels you can work around without it. He will only give medication for stuff you have too, and try to give the minimal.
Elizabeth Rohm is so beautiful
She is, and she has a very nice voice as well.
General Hague from Babylon 5??
no quite my tempo
But was he rushing, or was he dragging?
Is this the show Paul Rudd and Will Ferrell are making?
the therapist was imprison the suspect got a treatment sentence i think or they both suffer the downfall
Intentional wrong framing ?!? - Certainly not the first "therapist" trying to blame an innocent person for a hunger-driven murder...
The Bible Luke 20 : 45 While all the people were listening, he told his disciples, 46 "Beware of the scribes! They like to walk around in long robes and love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have the best seats in the synagogues and the places of honor at banquets. 47 They devour widows' houses and say long prayers to cover it up. They will receive greater condemnation!"
At least in the future he became general Hague.
Wasn't that female Doctor at around 6:00 later casted and hired as a judge?
JK Simmons?
Yes
Nah schillinger from oz
Yep. He was used many times on law and order as the therapist that examined the people on trial for McCoy.
Quack psychiatrist..
Many of them care
Aunt may?
The guy in the bears. Isn't he the same guy who portrayed the Pastor, Dr. Hadley was it where he had an affair with his own daughter in law and impregnated her in SVU?
That Michelle Rodriquez cause I can’t tell
jonah jameson was a doctor??
J.K. Simmons should be in his own cop show
He should do audiobooks and true crime podcasts. He has a gorgeous voice, very manly and confident.
@@nightskylights4501 that would be amazing.
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